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    • Which of the twelve tribes are you from? (tongue in cheek)
    • This is not talking about muslims and islam.  The Great Tribulation concerns the wholesale slaughter of Christians and anyone else who does not do as the authorities say. I am not limited by what you cannot see. I have put this prophecy together with others around specific and unique events in the prophetic linear narratives. That you don't believe or have a different opinion does not change what I have assembled through my analysis of the sequence-of-events which leads me to a Pre-Wrath position. That is wholly your opinion and not any firm conclusion reached in the prophetic Scripture.
    • These are the redeemed Jews, of whom of those of the dispersion who are also gentiles are grafted in.
    • Yes, it appears that way Revelation 7:5-8 KJVS
      [5] Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. [6] Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. [7] Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. [8] Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.  
    • Here, logically from Scripture, is why the Last Trumpet is not the seventh Trumpet of God's Wrath.

      1. The Last Trumpet calls the Dead forth from Paradise (the ends of Heaven). 1Co 15:51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed — 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 2. That happens on the Day of the Lord as Paul identifies it. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

      2TH 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. On the Day of the Lord we will see the Dead in Christ rise first and then we who are still alive and are left will be caught up with them on the clouds. So we have two markers here which identify when Jesus is coming for us. It is on the Day of the Lord. It is on the clouds. 3. The Day of the Lord is when Jesus comes to get us. The Day of the Lord is identified by its signature Sun/moon/star sign: MT 24:29 "Immediately after the distress of those days
      " `the sun will be darkened,
      and the moon will not give its light;
      the stars will fall from the sky,
      and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'

      MT 24:30 "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Jesus uses the Sun/moon/star event from prophecy to identify the Day when He comes on the clouds to gather the Elect - just like Paul says in 1Th 4:16-17 which directly relates back to 1Co 15:52.

      4. The specific and unique signature sign heralding the Day of the Lord is revealed by Jesus to John with the sixth Seal: REV 6:12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
      Therefore, we can conclude that Day of the Lord happens at the breaking of the sixth Seal.
      - The Day of the Lord is when we are gathered up as Paul said in Second Thessalonians.
      - Jesus said that after the Day of the Lord sign comes, the Elect will be gathered.
      - Therefore, in the Seal/Scroll account of Revelation chapters 4-11, the Great Multitude are the result of that gathering Harvest of Saints out of the then-shortened time of the Great Tribulation.
      - This claim is buttressed by the eyewitness testimony of an Elder who says the Great Multitude come out of the Great Tribulation, which echoes exactly the order Jesus gave in the Olivet Discourse.
      The Day of the Lord happens before ANY of the Trumpet Judgments go forth.
      ·         Only after the sixth Seal is broken is the seventh Seal broken.
      ·         Then, and only then, when all the Seals have been broken, can the Scroll, where “desolations have been decreed” from 2500 years ago (Dan 9:26), be read, and only then does the First Trumpet of seven even sound.
      ·         And then, and only then, do we see “desolations” of Biblical proportions inflicted upon creation which in turn creates hardship for the wicked left upon the earth.
      The Church is not to endure these conditions: Rom 2:8 But for those who are self–seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.  9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. Rom 5:9 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! 1Th 1:10 …and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead —Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath. 1Th 5:8 But since we belong to the day, let us be self–controlled, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.  9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.  10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him.
      The Last Trumpet is not the seventh Trumpet.   ·         The Bible never labels the seventh Trumpet as the Last Trumpet.
      ·         Instead, the “Last Trumpet,” as a named trumpet, is associated with the opening of Rosh ha-Shanah, the fall time Holy Day also known as the Festival of Trumpets. 
      ·         It is the first of many different trumpet soundings which occur over the next two days of this special Holy “Day” observance.
      ·         The “Last Trumpet” in Jewish ritual observance, of which Paul was schooled and practiced, is the mirror horn from the blowing of the “First Trumpet” sounded at the Festival of First Fruits in the spring. The Last Trumpet in end-time prophecy happens after: The one ‘seven’ starts The first half oppression The midpoint abomination(s) The Great Tribulation It happens on: The Day of the Lord It happens before: Any of God’s Wrath goes forth which begins with fire (and the resultant smoke) on the Day of the Lord (second half) – first Trumpet The rest of the Trumpet Judgments (which take time) The final Bowl Judgments (which are the third Woe which is never delineated in the Seal chronology) which complete the one ‘seven’ as per Daniel 9:27.  
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