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    • Who is this Paul Washer ? Such a long thread and I never heard of him.. 
    • God tells us to be Holy for I am Holy. Now I fail terribly at being Holy, but I still strive.  Repentance from the heart is for all who want to be with God. Those who walk a self righious path, in my opinion, won't feel they need to
    • InChrist Shiloh told you that he believes that Jesus is God and He showed it to you from the Bible Can you say that Jesus is God?  Yes/ no
    • I am not going to stand in judgment of Paul as I know so little about him I would more then likely be in error and harm others in Christ, no matter which side I stand on, so I will speaks about the works-faith issue being discussed. Works comes after salvation.  Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. After we are saved, we then continue to mature in Christ so we can do the works we were prepared to do.  1 Corinthians 3:12-15 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. So, what is James actually saying?  James 2:14-26 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?  If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”  And he was called the friend of God.  You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. I see that the faith that did save us will produce works, if we continue in Christ and mature.  So, what about those who are new in Him or take a longer time to mature?  Assuming we are all on a path to Him, we also need to accept that not all are in the same place in our maturity.  Meaning, we are all different. I guess one question has to be if a person who has been saved, but dies before his is mature enough to produce good works, are they really saved?  I would say yes because it clearly states “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves.” Then there is the question is someone who has been “saved” for a long time, but refused to do the works in Christ they were called to do, does this person actually have saving faith?  Here is where there seems to be a contradiction in scripture.  “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves” is still true, then what happens if there is no works in their faith “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also”?  I personally believe that they are not walking in the power of Christ and can do no works, as in healing, prophesy, teaching, etc.  So what happens to them?  “If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.”  Since there are no works to be tested, there is nothing to burn or stand.  If someone has works and it all burns due to being done for the wrong reason, is he just like the person who has no works to be tested? The true question at this point is if the person we are seeing with no works after a period of time, were they really saved in the first place?  The difference being that the one whose works were burned, he at least had works to be tested.  But what are we actually doing when we stand in judgment of another?  Are we not pretending we are God and can see into the hearts of other, or that we know all their works or lack of works?  I’d say yes, we are trying to judge as God judges.  The best we should do with these verses are to judge only ourselves.  Are we doing the works we are created to do?  I suggest that we keep it personal and not as a measuring rod for anyone else but ourselves.
    • So you think I'm attacking you? Have you read my comments here about what is core beliefs versus all the rest?  I know that Jesus is my Lord and saviour. I have repented of my sins, and have Jesus in my heart. I am a catholic. (Yes the hated catholics,lol) Now, just because I am catholic, does not make me any greater than you, or anyone else here.  If your core principles are the same. That you know Jesus is your Lord and Saviour, you have repented of your sins, that you have Jesus in your heart. ( I know you do)  Then all the rest is as I said before, icing on the cake. LOVE is the key factor here. God is Love. Jesus in your heart means that you Love, unconditionally. You may not agree with me on the details of how to worship God, nor how to Be Holy. (Be Holy for I am Holy - God ) but the fact remains that I do worship Him, and strive to be Holy.
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