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    • Definitely not this...    
    • Yes,     Don't know if God would use something like that to give us warning, but it's not long away and many things are happening in the UFO world that points to full disclosure of ET's out there and it just kind of fits everything together as the appearance of a few million angels stuck in our dimension all at once needs a cover story and the ET thing that seems to be building in the background makes a good story. Even the Catholic Church is getting involved....     Anyway, we should know by the end of next year.   True or not seems to be if one considers whether or not God would use actual signs in the sky to let us know what's going on.   My take on it is if nothing happens it's good.....   but if it does, we might not get caught up in the turmoil that would accompany it...
    • Anytime somebody tells me 'Scripture is clear', or 'it is clear,' - I know I"m dealing with their conclusion of their interpretation and not what Scripture actually says.   2Th 2:8b …whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. This one half verse by itself could lead a reader to conclude that the Day of the Lord coincides with the final destruction of the man of lawlessness.  Indeed, without the other multiple accounts of God’s Wrath in the end-times, concluding that a single stroke by the sword emanating from Jesus’ mouth as figuratively represented in Revelation 19:15 finishes the conflagration enveloping the world would be reasonable.  The conventional Post-Tribulation eschatology uses this verse myopically precluding other conditional facts and linear sequences and has the Day of the Lord be either the Day to end all, or lengthens the Day of the Lord to encompass Wrath which is not explicitly connected to it.  Looking at this verse solely leads to battling verses and without keeping the big picture in view, typifies the history of prophetic interpretation without a sequence-of-events paradigm.  Looking at the verbs can shed some light at how a sequence-of-events perspective can view this verse in light of other prophetic timelines. The verb overthrow comes from anaireō and it means in the nominal sense: “take up,” “take away,” “make an end” (ECB p1631).  Furthermore, the word is a conjunction of aná and hairéō.  hairéō means “to take,” “to win,” “to comprehend,” or “to select” (TDNT p27).  The first part: aná lends either an emphatic meaning or the sense of “up.”  Figuratively, it means to take away violently and so to put to death, kill, slay, or murder.  The use of anaireō here by Paul is in the future tense, indicative mood, and active voice.  Jesus will do this stated as a fact   The verb destroy comes from katargeō and in the nominal sense it means: “to render inoperative,” “to abolish” (ECB p1659).  Bromiley says, “The provisional disarming of demonic powers will issue in their complete destruction at the return of Christ” for its use in 2Th 2:8. The man of lawless had been granted authority for forty two months.  That authority culminated at the midpoint abomination.  Immediately afterward, “Who is like God” arises and the Two Witnesses arrive.  By their very nature being unable to be harmed, they upset the previously uncontested rule of the beast of a man.  The first thing that can be suggested by anaireō is that previous authority is violently taken away, especially when the Two Witnesses can consume any person who comes up against them.  The verb anaireō cannot be used in its normal figurative sense of being put to death, slain, killed, or murdered because the anti-Christ is not killed on the earth.  Whether the first instance of Christ's coming on the Day of the Lord in a Pre-Wrath eschatology or at the last day of the one ‘seven’ at Armageddon even in a classical Post-Trib eschatology; Jesus does not kill the anti-Christ on earth.  This fact of interpretation stands upon Revelation 19:20 where the beast of a man is captured alive, and thrown while still alive into the Lake of Fire along with the false    To use anaireō in its nominal sense, Jesus would ‘make an end’ of the anti-Christ which suggests a process.  Overthrowing him from his previous authority, removing his “power,” would be first part of the process which would come with the Two Witnesses who defy the anti-Christ; he is powerless over them.  As the end-times proceed under a Pre-Wrath eschatological framework, making an end is a process whereby God’s Wrath reduces the anti-Christ’s world to a shadow of its former self.  Final victory is Pyrrhic; he conquers the Kings of the South and East only to find himself facing the Lord of Hosts which ends with his capture. Finally then, the anti-Christ is destroyed utterly.  He is judged just as is determined in Revelation 11:18, “The time has come for…destroying those who destroy the earth.”  He is judged before God and thrown into the Lake of Fire. 2nd Thessalonians 2:8 describes a sequence-of-events: The man of lawlessness is revealed. Jesus will make an end of him. He is utterly destroyed. Taken by itself, 2Th 2:8 could be read as happening very quickly.  However, with additional revelation of God’s Wrath, which Paul does not address other than to assure the Church it does not face it, the Bible expressly states that it takes time; in the case of the first Woe, it takes five months alone.  Other desolations which God has decreed may take longer as will be suggested later so that the entire remaining period of the second half of the one ‘seven’ will go until the end is poured out upon the desolator.
    • Nope. And the King of the North is victorious over the South and the East at Armageddon, gaining the whole world, only to lose his soul after Jesus defeats him there and captures him alive.
    • "...exhibiting himself that he is a god." Jesus told us that "many" false christs and false prophets will arise. The Son of Perdition is only one of the many. The Little Horn is another, as are the Beast and the False Prophet. The Son of Perdition comes before the Rapture, the others come after. You lump the Son of Perdition, the Beast, the Little Horn, and the Mouth of the Beast all into the same person and call him the Antichrist, which is a great mistake. The Beast is not even human, whereas the others are. The Son of Perdition is "brought to nothing/rendered inoperative at the shining-upon/manifestation/epiphaneia of his [Jesus'] Presence/Coming/Parousia."  That Parousia is the time of the Rapture. The Son of Perdition ceases to be a player when the Lord comes. Then the Wrath begins, after the Rapture, as you say yourself. Deny it if you will, the scripture is clear: The Son of Perdition ceases to be a player in history when the Lord appears to take up his elect.
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