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    • WHO says: "for the great day of their wrath has come" BEFORE any of the seven Trumpets sound?
      The kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man. Who says: "and Your wrath came" AFTER the seventh Trumpet sounds?
      The 24 Elders. Now who are you going to trust to convey what is happening with God's Plan?
      ~ The ones who have taken the mark of the beast and worshiped the talking image, who were told by the third of three Angels (Rev 14:9-11) that they were going to suffer for it,
      ~ or 24 Elders who have preceded us into Heaven and have been the Father and the Lamb for some two thousand years now? The wicked of the earth will mourn on the Day Jesus comes!  Why?  Because they only care about themselves and their wickedness.  When Jesus comes, they know they have a price to pay because on the waiting portion of the Day of the Lord, when the sun is covered by clouds starting at noon, the third of three Angels tells the wicked what will soon come to pass.  That's why they "know" 'God's Wrath has come' -- the sun/moon/star event is unmistakably from God and they fear losing their lives - they're only interested in saving their butts at this point. But that's not what happens first when Jesus comes.
    • Mostly correct?  What I said WAS correct.   Jesus sounds the Last Trumpet and those who hear, awaken from death. And Angel sounds the seventh Trumpet and the Third Woe begins. However, to say God's Wrath came with the events of the sixth Seal, is not quite correct; which is a nice way of saying it is incorrect. The Aorist tense in Greek is not simple past tense. The aorist is said to be "simple occurrence" or "summary occurrence", without regard for the amount of time taken to accomplish the action. This tense is also often referred to as the 'punctiliar' tense. 'Punctiliar' in this sense means 'viewed as a single, collective whole,' a "one-point-in-time" action, although it may actually take place over a period of time. In the indicative mood the aorist tense denotes action that occurred in the past time, often translated like the English simple past tense.  So it has not already begun by the sixth Seal.
      The only physical, earthly event which happens with the sixth Seal are two earthquakes; one to shake things up before the sun/moon/star sign, and the second when Jesus alights upon the earth. Rev 6:12 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. 14 The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. This second one reflects what is revealed later in the detailed, parallel account of just the one 'seven' in chapters 13 to 16 (inclusive): Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty- four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.  ~ This happens before the Harvest just as the 144,000 are mentioned with the sixth Seal as coming before the Great Multitude are before the Father in Heaven on His Throne (in the Temple). And this sighting of Jesus on the earth was seen by the prophet Zechariah (and Isaiah) in the Old Testament.  (Isaiah omits the splitting portion which displaces every other reference point on the earth.) Zec 14:4 In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south. Now how does that move everything?  Here is a scientific geological study of the earth's displacement of every single point of the entire earth that happened with a significant earthquake underneath the Indian Ocean. Sumatra Quake Shook Earth’s Total Surface
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      May 19, 2005 WASHINGTON - December's great Sumatra-Andaman earthquake — the most powerful in more than 40 years and the trigger of a devastating tsunami — shook the ground everywhere on Earth's surface. Weeks later the planet was still trembling. They said the higher sea floor displaced so much water from the Bay of Bengal and the Andaman Sea that sea level worldwide was raised 0.004 inch. "No point on Earth remained undisturbed," wrote Roger Bilham of the University of Colorado. Indeed, ground movement of as much as 0.4 inch occurred everywhere on Earth's surface, though it was too small to be felt in most areas. And the temblor "delivered a blow to our planet" that was felt for weeks, noted a team of researchers led by Jeffrey Park of Yale University.
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