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    • I can only declare from God's Word how it is written that Jesus comes to gather His Church at the end ... of the tribulation, and not prior to it. 1. In Matt.24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, Jesus gives a direct statement that He comes 'after the tribulation' to gather His saints, which means His Church. The two examples follow the order which Apostle Paul gave in 1 Thess.4 for the harpazo ("caught up") event. The Matt.24 example is about the "asleep" saints gathered from heaven that Jesus brings with Him, and the Mark 13 version is about the saints still alive on earth being gathered to Him. That is a major sign those Scriptures are .... definitely for His Church, and not just a writing meant only for Jews. 2. Also with Christ's Olivet discourse of Matt.24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, Jesus gave 7 main signs there which are the seals of Revelation 6. The very last and final sign He gave was that of His coming to gather His Church. 3. In Revelation 16:15, within the 6th Vial timing, Jesus is still ... warning His Church that He comes "as a thief". This is not Him warning only a small group of saints, like Pre-trib's "tribulation saints" idea. It is a warning to His Church on earth before His coming to gather them, which means a rapture has NOT happened yet even by that 6th Vial timing. 4. Jesus comes to gather His Church on the 7th Vial of Rev.16, because that is the time when He gathers the nations to do battle at Armageddon, and ... that is a "day of the Lord" event to occur only on the final last day of this world, which also is the time of the resurrection of the saints. 5. In 1 Thess.4, Apostle Paul declared that we which are alive on earth shall NOT ... precede the "asleep" saints to heaven. They are raised first on the day of Jesus' 2nd coming. That means the resurrection forecast for the end of this world on the last day. I have noticed the majority on men's Pre-trib Rapture doctrine are confused about the timing when the resurrection will be (see John 5:28-29 also). Well, the asleep saints being resurrected prior ... to that last day is NOT written in God's Word, and that is what would be required for a Pre-trib Rapture to be a true Bible doctrine. 6. Per Paul in 1 Thess.5, and Peter in 2 Peter 3:10, both said the "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night". Peter's description is more succinct since he included one of the events to occur on that day being God's consuming fire burning the elements of man's works off this earth. Now for those who might be kind of thick headed, that means on the "day of the Lord" all rebellion on this earth is ended by Christ. 7. For many years the Pre-trib Rapture doctors preached the 'Imminent' theory that Jesus could come at "any moment" and to be ready. Associated with that they preached that Jesus will come "as a thief in the night" and to be ready. Per Rev.16:15 our Lord Jesus does come "as a thief" like He said. But in 1 Thess.5 Paul also said the "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night". That means of course, that our Lord Jesus comes on the "day of the Lord". Per the OT prophets, the "day of the Lord" is about a time at the very end of a destruction by God upon the wicked on this earth. It is the day when He comes to end man's works and the devil's works on the earth. Common sense then tells us from that our Lord Jesus comes on the final day of this world, meaning after the tribulation like He said, and not prior to the tribulation like the Pre-trib Rapture theory wrongly teaches. All I have time for today.  
    • I've noticed some interesting parallels between those who take the mark of the beast and the giants (nephilim, half human half fallen angelic). To my knowledge, there are only two specified groups of beings that are specifically said not to be eligible for redemption and salvation, they are sentenced unto eternal damnation. The hybrid nephilim and those who take the mark of the beast. Those who take the mark breakout with bad sores all over their bodies. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with a change in their DNA?
    • Thanks for the answers so far.  I often hear on a variation of topics I believe the bible teaches blah blah blah but if you don't agree with me whatever because it's not salvific/salvational.  That's one of the reason's I asked the question.  Would I be looking into this scripture too much to say it could define salvation? Matthew 1:21 That's what I understand to be salvation.
    • Domitian is the one in Apostle John's days per early tradition, around A.D. 81-96. For the purposes of understanding about the 8 beast kings of Rev.17, it doesn't really matter what Roman emperor one suggests, we know the Roman empire was the power of the day that had John placed in captivity on Patmos. Per Rev.13:1-2, which gives reference to the ten horns and beast ideas from Daniel 7, that's how we can be sure the kings of Rev.17 is not simply about a succession of Roman emperors. Rev.17 is defining terms first given in Rev.13. In Daniel 2, we are told the whole of the 5 pieces of the statue come tumbling down 'together' when the stone strikes upon its feet. And we are told immediately after that God's eternal Kingdom is setup. Therefore, that is pointing to all five pieces of the statue existing, together as one, in the last days of this world when Jesus, The Stone which the builders rejected, comes to strike the beast statue upon its feet of ten toes, and the whole comes tumbling down. Likewise in the Book of Daniel with descriptions of a false one coming to exalt himself, speaking blasphemies against God, and the saints given in his hand for a short time, is a topic for the very end of this world also as Daniel was told for the end. Rev.13 about the beast and dragon there is also mentioned doing these same descriptions from Daniel (see Rev.13:5-8). There are other references in Daniel to show it is linked to the events for the end as declared in Christ's Olivet discourse and in Revelation. In Matthew 24, Jesus warns of the "abomination of desolation" event from the Book of Daniel. Antiochus IV set the blueprint for that event, but that was in 170 B.C., about 200 years before Jesus warned about the "abomination of desolation" from Daniel. The fact that Antiochus IV represents a blueprint pattern, or type, for the AOD prophecy should tell you more about the Daniel prophecies concerning the "little horn" and "vile person" for the end of this world. Now the ideas that men's traditions have dreamed up to form Preterist (what is past) doctrine are actually tools to get God's people off track from understanding the events to occur at the very end of this world, as given in Bible prophecy through God's servants, like Daniel and John. Dan 12:1-4
      12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
      Just that above Scripture alone should be ample evidence that those Daniel prophecies involve events for the very end of this world. Yet there are men in this world with different agendas than keeping to God's Word as a whole.    
    • When you stated that you had a P.H.D. in string theory, I actually thought I was going to be talking with someone who understood quantum mechanics which is knowledge you need to know before you get into the deeper string theories that physicists talk about.  I understand all their analogies that they use to help lay people understand what they  have learned, which is similar to the way God teaches us knowledge through His Holy Spirit but instead of through a physicist, he teaches us directly in our mind. This is what is known as having the mind of Christ. We get taught the deepest knowledge that God wants us to understand before this age ends. 
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