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    • "You are saying that, but about myself, what prevails is the Word of God"   Yes the word of God prevails Today's believers will be made immortal just before the coming tribulation period Revelation 3:10 and other scriptures tell this truth 
    • At the top right of your post, there is a share ths post feature. Click that, and you will get the URL to the specific post you want to refer to, and just add the URL in your reply. Then, if the person cares to respond they can just click the link you supplied, and be taken directly to the post itself. Not sure if that was clear, but hopefully it is.
    •   Obviously, you did not read the four posts in the link wih the teachings of the coming pre-trib rapture of the Church, by Jesus, Matthew, Luke, John and Paul that refute you, in my previous post.  I will post the first of the four posts in it for you to refute any part of it by the Scriptures, or your missguided views are the ones that are false: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/deeperwalk/the-biblical-teaching-of-the-pre-trib-rapture-of-t-t19401898.html The Biblical teaching of the pre-trib rapture of the Church Beginning with Mt.24:31:
      [/B] And He will send His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His ELECT from the four winds [Israel - on earth], from one end of the heavens to the other [The Church Jesus will rapture before the seven year tribulation begins]. How did those ELECT get into heaven? Read on to find out.

      "Watch ye, therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."

      Jn.14:2-4 and 28:
      "In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you [See Jn.20:17]. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going." [Jn.14:2-4].

      "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." [Jn.14:28].

      The Scriptures tell us where we all go, who belong to Christ, after the death of our bodies:
      "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." As recorded in 2 Cor.5:8, confirming Ecc.12:7. Which is, in and of itself, conclusive to the fact that Jesus is not going to let the rest of His Church remain on earth to go through the seven year tribulation, when He returns for those of us who are still alive, waiting for His appearing, in 1 Thes.4:17. Since He raises all those who have died, to be with Him, immediately after their physical death, for more than 2,000 years.

      1 Thes.4:13-18:
      The Thessalonians were very concerned about those among them who had died, that they would not be gathered together with the rest of them when Jesus returned. Paul assures them in vs 13-14 that they will all be returning with Christ from heaven, where they have been since He raised them up to be with Him, the day they died physically, according to 2 Cor.5:6-8.

      "We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him [Died physically]. Vs 14.

      "According to the Lord's own word [Scriptural truth as to the fact that Jesus taught there was to be a pre-trib rapture of the Church, as recorded in Jn.14:2-4 and 28], we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep." Vs 15. An assurance by Paul to the Thessalonians that the dead in Christ had already been raised from the dead before, and were already with Christ when He returns for all those left on earth alive at His coming.

      Because they have already been raised, each in his/her own turn, according to 1 Cor.15:23. That is the very reason it is not documented as a resurrection in the Scriptures.

      "For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven [With all His saints [Church], according to vs 14], with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first" [Paul again assures them, as seen in verses 13-14, they were already previously raised once before, each in his/her own turn, as they died, for more than 2,000 years]. Vs 16.

      "After that, we who are still alive and are left will be CAUGHT UP [raptured] together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the sky. And so we will be with the Lord forever." Vs 17. Where we proceed with Jesus to our Father in heaven as He promised us in Jn.14:2-4 and 28.

      "Therefore encourage each other with these words." Vs 18.

      2 Thess.2:1-8: The precise timing of the rapture of the Church:
      "Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the Day of the Lord [The 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation of Dan.9:27] has already come." 2 Thes.2:1-2. Which is a direct reference to 1 Thes.4:17 and the theme of Paul's entire pre-trib rapture message in 2 Thes.2:1-8. When we will be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. [Parenthetics mine].

      The "Day of the Lord" Paul refers to in vs 2, alludes to Dan.9:27, when God will intervene into the affairs of man for the last time, culminating in the second coming of Jesus to the earth. In that passage of Scripture, the Day of the Lord is triggered by the "he" who "confirms a covenant [An agreement] for one Week" [The Day of the Lord/ 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation], who is the antichrist. The second, and same "he," who stops Israel from the offerings and sacrificing in the temple of God, and the third, and same "he," who breaks his covenant in the middle of the Week [After 3.5 of the 7 year total], and sets up the abomination of desolation Jesus referred to in Mt.24:15, in His Olivet Discourse, about the sign of His second coming, and of the end of the age.

      In vs 3: "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that Day [The Day of the Lord, the 70th and final Week, the seven year tribulation] will not come, until the "apostasia" [Greek term in which the original translation was "to depart," or "departure," meaning, the rapture of the Church] occurs and the man of lawlessness [The antichrist, and all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27] is revealed [Who triggers the Day of the Lord/ the 70th and final Week/ the seven year tribulation], the man doomed to destruction." Which reveals the "apostasia" [Departure] will take place before the antichrist is revealed, who triggers the 70th Week/seven year tribulation. Confirmed in verses 7 and 8 below.

      Translation History of apostasia and discessio: By Thomas Ice, PhD.
      The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either " departure" or " departing." They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608) . This supports the notion that the word truly means " departure." In fact, Jerome' s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of 325 A.D. renders apostasia with the " word discessio, meaning ' departure.' Why was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of "departure" in 1611 A.D.? [It is more than likely due to overzealous RCC scribes who altered the original wording of vs 3. to accommodate their teachings of Amillenialism, which rejects both the pre-trib rapture of the Church as well as Jesus Millennial reign her on earth].

      Theodore Beza, the Swiss reformer was the first to transliterate apostasia and create a new word, rather than translate it as others had done. The translators of the King James Version were the first to introduce the new rendering of apostasia as " falling away." Most English translators have followed the KJV and Beza in departing from translating apostasia as " departure." No reason was ever given.

      "He [The antichrist] will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God." Vs 4. [The abomination of desolation, confirming Dan.9:27 and Mt.24:15]. See also 2 Thes.2:4.

      The rapture of the Church and verse 3 confirmed:
      In vs 7: "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so until he [The saints - Church] is taken out of the way."

      The "he" who will be taken out of the way, is the one body of Christ, who bear the Holy Spirit within each of us [Eph.1:13-14], the Church of Jesus Christ. The very same as those who will participate in the "apostasia," the "departure," [the rapture] of the Church, in vs 3. Immediately following that:

      In vs 8: "And then the lawless one [The antichrist] will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor of His coming." Vs 8. [See Rev.19:17-21].

      The antichrist is found in all three of the "he's" in Dan. 9:27, confirmed by Jesus in Mt.24:15; Mk.13:14 and by Paul, in 2 Thes.2:3, 4 and 8.

      From the above Scriptural facts, there can be only one proper interpretation for the timing of the rapture of the Church, which will be immediately preceding the 70th and final/7 year tribulation, triggered by the antichrist, all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27. Seen also as the first of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, riding the white horse, in the first of the seven seals, in Rev.6:2. There is no "pre-wrath" or post-trib rapture taught in the Scriptures.

      Other verses pertaining to the rapture of the Church: 1 Thes.1:10; 1 Thes.5:9; Rev.3:10 and Rev.4:1-2. Of the saints [Church] returning with Christ from their marriage in heaven, in Rev.19:7, 8 and 14; Jude 14 and Zech.14:4-5!

      The difference between the Second Coming of Christ and the pre-trib rapture of the Church:

    • Dear sister;  Having read through the Story of Peter an Cornelius I could not find where it Peter was “deeply troubled in Himself” I checked a couple of translations and it uses the words “Peter doubted in himself ” and Peter “wondered in himself ” but I couldn’t find where it said Peter was “deeply troubled in himself” wondering and doubting are different than being troubled.  But for argument sake let say there the same. That still doesn’t mean Peter lost the “peace of Christ in his heart”. When it talks of Peter “doubting in himself” it was in relation to the vision he’d just seen. That what gave him pause or doubts or wonderment for he knew  not the meaning of the vision. He learned that later.  Unless I missed something?  You also said the disciples said he had a strange spirit. In acts  Acts 11:2 (NIV)
      So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him They “criticizes him” but that’s a far cry from saying he had a “strange spirit.” Unless, once again I’m missing something?  You also said Peter could have rebuked the Spirit but no words of “Spirit” was used . And even if it was, don’t you think that Peter, a disciple that loved Jesus, knew the voice of the one he loved? After all he was an Apostle of Christ? Why would he deliberately want to sin?  But it does say in  Colossians 3:15 (NIV)
      Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. That word rule  can also be translated as “arbitrate” meaning the scripture could be translated as “let the peace of Christ arbitrate in your heart” in other words, let it be the decider. Or in layman’s terms. If something upsets the “peace of Christ in your heart” do something different or the bare minimum go the God and ask why you’ve lost your peace. For sin or disobedience (know or unknown) will cause a believer to lose there peace. But than as soon as a believer repents and confesses his sin, the joy and peace of Christ returns. So yes listening to what the “peace of Christ says in your heart” is one and  only way a believer can be lead by the Spirit of God, for where else does the Spirit reside but in the believers heart? For listening to what the Spirit of God says in you is what’s important for that’s how God speaks to His children. That is why building ones personal relationship with Christ is so vital. For the closer we get to Christ the easier it is to hear His voice/Spirit. For until that relationship is built it is easy for one to be lead astay “by every wind of doctrine” Much love in Christ, Not me
    • When will they be reunited?  The answer is in Revelation 7:2-8. but Dan is not mentioned by a specific reason.
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