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    • Is that why it says Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and tomorow?  And I keep telling you guys...
      “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”
      The incarnation must have caused Jesus to have some sort of memory lapse.  IF he IS God as you suggest, that means he KNEW the day or hour while he was God in heaven.  How do you explain that? So there are 7 different spirits to ONE person/spirit???  The holy spirit.  I agree the seven spirits are the holy spirit.  But they are 7 spirits just like the text says. That makes 9 total.  Jesus= 1, God = 1, Holy spirit = 7.  Total 9.  9 spirits in Jesus, and nine spirits in God. I didn't use that to show any kind of equality.  You guys are the ones that do that!   Jesus didn't lose any powers coming to earth, he certainly did lose his position in heaven.  He went from being in glory and authority, to earth as a servant losing that glory but with the same authority.  Your argument is that Jesus didn't lose power or authority, which I agree with.  He can't lose something he didn't have.  He didn't have the full knowledge or power of the Father.
      It really is ironic that you would say Jesus didn't lose anything, yet you claim that Jesus said, "the father is greater" or that he didn't know the day or hour of his return" because he was incarnated.   I suppose you don't see that contradiction. Mt. 28:18  And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. I said,
      This verse appears to imply that Jesus is all powerful but it doesn’t.  What Jesus is saying is that every kind of power is available to him.  I say those powers come from God through the seven Spirits of God. If someone were to ask me who is the Holy Spirit I would say He is the Seven Spirits of God which emanates from Jesus Himself.  If you think that verse implies Jesus has all authority then it's you who is sloppy.  Click on the Vines entry.  If more Christians would do word studies instead of just firing from the hip they would learn something. All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. radically means "all." Used without the article it means "every," every kind or variety. It's not wrong.  Lok at how the word ALL is used.  It's used 7-8 different ways in scripture.  All doesn't mean WHOLE in Mathew 28:18 because the word PAS is used without the article.  IF the word HOLOS were used WITH the article I would agree.  Look at the difference between the two...PAS doesn't mean WHOLE the way HOLOS does....
      each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything.
      ALL.....HOLOS.  all, whole, completely Who says?  Sholoh357?  We are made in the image of God.  What does that mean? The modifier is missing.  That would be the article. I agree.  He didn't lose anything he didn't already have. That's fabrication at it's worst!  Heaven and earth modify NOTHING with the word ALL.  ALL modify's the words HEAVEN AND EARTH!! I don't believe you.  I've been through this before with people who claim superior knowledge of Greek and Hebrew.  All I've ever found is that they complicate and fabricate things to no end.
        Incorrect.  ALL is an adjective and an adjective MODIFY'S the NOUN!  Jesus said in Mathew 28:18 said that every kind of power that's both in heaven and on earth is available to him.  That's it.  NOT that the fullness of those powers are his.  You're 'word studies' have a trinitarian bias.  I know the meaning of Mathew 28:18 and I accept it.   Luke 1:35  And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. No, it states EVERY KIND of power.   Let's see.  The power of the Highest overshadows Mary, the Holy Spirit comes upon Mary, but the Holy Spirit isn't the power of the Highest??? "as a consequence of the Holy Spirit coming upon Mary, the power of the Highest will overshadow her and the Holy Spirit will cause her to conceive. "
      Denial...It's not just for unbelievers anymore!   It's the other way around.  You guys try to build Jesus up to equality with the Father, taking away from the Father! Believing that Jesus is God, “the Holy Spirit” is God, and the Father is God actually demeans the Only True God.  Making God one of three co-equal “persons” takes from Him His exalted position as the Only True God, the Creator of the universe, the Author of the plan of Salvation, the Father of Jesus Christ, and our one God. Besides robbing God of His exalted position as God supreme, believing that Jesus is God also demeans him.  One cannot appreciate how great Jesus really was until you make an effort to live like he did for even one day.  His courage, mental tenacity, love and great faith are unparalleled in human history.  His true greatness is lost if you believe he is God, for “with God all things are possible.”  Believing Jesus is God also demeans God because Jesus himself said, “my Father is greater than I.”
    • While we're on the subject, be wary of the Doeuy-Rheims Bible. Here is the KJV version of Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. and here is the Douey-Reheims version of the same verse I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel. Notice the change of the wording 'it shall bruise thy head' becomes 'she shall crush thy head'.  - this verse is referring to the seed of the woman (Jesus Christ), but the Douey version has changed the word to 'she' to declare that is the woman who destroys the serpent, not the man. The Doey-Rheims Bible is often known as the Jesuit Bible and the tampering of this verse is a Jesuit attempt to encourage the worship of Mary.
    • Since Jesus is opening the Seals I see at as Sealed Up Decrees (Prophecies) that come to pass when Jesus opens each Seal. Its more like a predetermined story line that God/Jesus knows is going to happen, but the only come to pass when God/Jesus allows them to come to pass.  In other words we understand the Ant-Christ is going to come forth/be released and destroy many, but only God knows when this will begin. Many will not understand they are in Gods Wrath until the 6th Seal opens and it finally hits them, because the 6th Seal is supernatural, and seals 1-4 are brought forth by War/men. (Even though Jesus allows it.) So Jesus opens Seal one and the Anti-Christ comes forth, 3 1/2 years after the Rapture. He conquers through peace. The Second Seal opens and Peace is TAKEN AWAY (Catch that?).....WAR. Then the 3rd Seal is opened and Famine/Judgment comes forth. The Fourth Seal comes forth and Death & Disease, which is the by product of war/famine/pestilence etc. So in essence all the Seals are basically a by product of the Anti-coming forth and conquering.  The 5th Seal is Jesus attesting to the Deaths by the Anti-Christ at this time, the Martyrs of the Tribulation, then the Six Seal kicks in, the Lambs Wrath grows in progression from here to the Seventh Vial. 
    • I've tried it. KJV passes the test, Geneva Bible passes the test. NIV fails the test.
    • I think that used to be the case, I think now that definitions have been come like genders and now people are like "I do not like that definition, so I will make up my own".
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