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    • Who did I criticize? I never criticized the concept of giving. I questioned the motive for our giving. Do you give in order to become materially prosperous? We are not just talking about Paul who suffered but also the examples ¬†given in the last half of Hebrews 11. It's God's call whether He wants to materially prosper someone or not, we don't pull His strings neither should ¬†we desire too.
    • Hello, coming on kinda strong aren't I...it is not personal to anyone, I just hate the devil and his lies. God's will for man is made so plain, He created man and placed him in a garden of immense beauty and abundance, that is God's will for mankind and the GOOD NEWS is God never changes...WE change, we sin. When man sinned he was chucked out of his garden. THAT is where poverty started, it is a curse, it is part of the wrath of God.¬† ¬† And do you know what...? I've done missionary work and I have never asked for a penny, I have been homeless, without a job, without money, without the prospect of money, not once, not twice but THREE times and each time God worked a miracle...I know what I'm talking about. I have laid down to die not having eaten for three days....but God woke me up 4.00 in the morning and told me go for a walk....and you know what happened I found money, enough for a weeks shopping. I got a job the same day. ¬† I HATE that poverty devil...when I see children starving in Sudan with flies in their eyes....the gospel is banned. I think "when will Christians wake up" ¬† It all boils down to what you think salvation is , what redemption is. You think God saves our soul but still leaves us to starve or die of some sickness. ¬† Free from sin but not free from the curse of sin. I think Jesus paid a FULL REDEMPTIVE price.
    • Concerning giving:¬† 2 Cor. 8. shows that wealth is not necessary for giving. ¬†Sometimes those who suffer need are the most generous. ¬† 2Co 8:1 WEB ¬†Moreover, brothers, we make known to you the grace of God which has been given in the assemblies of Macedonia; ¬†2Co 8:2¬†¬†how that in much proof of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded to the riches of their generosity. ¬†2Co 8:3¬†¬†For according to their power, I testify, yes and beyond their power, they gave of their own accord, ¬†2Co 8:4¬†¬†begging us with much entreaty to receive this grace and the fellowship in the service to the saints. ¬†2Co 8:5¬†¬†This was not as we had expected, but first they gave their own selves to the Lord, and to us through the will of God. 2Co 8:12¬†¬†For if the readiness is there, it is acceptable according to what you have, not according to what you don‚Äôt have. ¬†2Co 8:13¬†¬†For this is not that others may be eased and you distressed, ¬†2Co 8:14¬†¬†but for equality. Your abundance at this present time supplies their lack, that their abundance also may become a supply for your lack; that there may be equality. 2Co 9:7 ¬†WEB¬†Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver.¬†2Co 9:8¬†¬†And God is able to make all grace abound to you, that you, always having all sufficiency in everything, may abound to every good work.¬†2Co 9:9¬†¬†As it is written, ‚ÄúHe has scattered abroad, he has given to the poor. His righteousness remains forever.‚ÄĚ ¬†2Co 9:10¬†¬†Now may he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food, supply and multiply your seed for sowing, and increase the fruits of your righteousness,¬†2Co 9:11¬†¬†you being enriched in everything to all generosity, which produces through us thanksgiving to God. 2Co 9:12¬†¬†For this service of giving that you perform not only makes up for lack among the saints, but abounds also through much giving of thanks to God; ¬†2Co 9:13¬†¬†seeing that through the proof given by this service, they glorify God for the obedience of your confession to the Good News of Christ, and for the generosity of your contribution to them and to all; ¬†2Co 9:14¬†¬†while they themselves also, with supplication on your behalf, yearn for you by reason of the exceeding grace of God in you. My husband and I are strong supporters of giving to our¬†church as well as to other ministries as the Lord leads. ¬†But as soon as a preacher starts begging I turn him off. ¬†As soon as they start preaching that Christianity is the road to physical prosperity I turn them off. ¬†They are preaching "another gospel". ¬† They need to depend on God to supply their needs, not people. ¬†God has often moved on my heart to give. ¬†All a ministry has¬†to do is to inform us how to give to their ministry if God leads us to do so. ¬†They need to ask of God, not people. God will supply all their needs by moving on peoples hearts. ¬†I so appreciate that Worthy Forums does not beg for money. ¬†¬† ¬†
    • Shiloh wasn't saying "learn from the TV", TehMill; he was giving examples of TV preachers who promote prosperity preaching. ¬†
    • Paul was not writing that to commend the Corinthians, TehMill. As for "Armchair Pauls", there are those of us who know all too well what beatings, starvation and thirst, danger and enemies are first hand. And where exactly in scripture does it say that Paul was "up to his knees" in money and other goods? As a point of fact, Scripture says this: "But Peter said, "I do not possess silver and gold, but what I do have I give to you: In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene-- walk!" (Acts 3:6, NASB) Something to consider: "Only conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or remain absent, I will hear of you that you are standing firm in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel; in no way alarmed by your opponents‚ÄĒwhich is a sign of destruction for them, but of salvation for you, and that too, from God. For to you it has been granted for Christ‚Äôs sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, experiencing the same conflict which you saw in me, and now hear to be in me." (Philippians 1:28-30, NASB, emphasis mine)
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