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    • I am not disputing the meaning of the word endure.  The phrase "endure to the end" which YOU referenced does not occur 20 times.   It is a phrase used in the Gospels of Matthew and Mark and that phrase refers to the enduring to the end of the Tribulation.c As far as being saved from sin is concerned, the Bible says as believers that we are freed from sin (Rom. 6:7, 18, 22).   Sin isn't just what we do, but it is a default spiritual condition, namely a state of spiritual separation from God.  The wages (what we deserve) of that spiritual condition is death.  Your attempt at parsing words is really, really sloppy. Look at the texts:  O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.(1Ti 6:20-21) Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
      (2Ti 2:18) Nothing in those passages refers to apostasy or departing from the faith. That is not the accusation.  The Greek word astocheo, means to "miss the mark"  It refers to a deviation, not a wholesale departure.   It is not even close to, or synonymous with apostasy.    It is referring to false teaching or a deviation from the truth.  One can be a false teacher, but not be apostate.
        No, the word the NT uses for apostasy is apsostasia.  The word parapiptos is used ONE time in the NT in Heb. 6:6.   And it does not mean apostasy.   I use the phrase "true believer" to distinguish those who genuinely follow Jesus vs. those who profess Jesus nominally, but do not evidence a true conversion.
        I am not contradicting that at all.  I am talking about people who haven't truly believed from the heart.  They mentally assent to parts of the Bible and participate in the external life of the Church, but they have never actually believed.   True belief translates into a holy life, not a religious life.   It explains why there are "Christians"  who can support the gay lifestyle, or support abortion, while rejecting the inerrancy and inspiration of the Bible.  There are many professing "Christians"  who believe and support things that are diametrically opposed to biblical values and that is simply evidence of those who are not biblical Christians.  There is a form of Christianity that does not have Christ in it. Hebrews 6:4-6 is part of a larger context that starts way up in Heb. 5:12.   If you follow the line of thought which continues down through Heb. 6:6, you find this: "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."  (Heb 5:12-6:1-6) The context starting up in 5:12 has nothing to do with apostasy.   The complaint being leveled by the author of Hebrews has to do with a lack of spiritual growth. He is telling the audience  that they should be more mature in their understanding of spiritual matters.  They should be eating meat, but are still subsisting on milk.   That complain carries over into chapter six.   He says in  6:1 that they need to move on to other things and not lay again, foundational truths. The word for "fall away"  is peripitos and it means to fall aside, not apostatize.    To make this about a departure from the faith, doesn't fit the context or the complaint.   Nowhere does the author accuse them of forsaking the Lord or rejecting the faith.  His complaint is that they are lazy and immature.   So peripitos CANNOT mean, in this context, a wholesale departure from the faith.   The word is used to describe someone who has fall aside.  It pictures  a runner in a race who is unable to keep running because he is not physically fit enough to keep running.  It refers to those who want to live in the rudimentary aspects of the faith, who never grow in their relationship with God.   They want to live, perpetually, in their initial salvation experience.   But we cannot keep going back to that.  We cannot get re-saved and just live in that initial experience of Christ.  The writer of Hebrews draws a hypothetical impossibility  when he says that those who want to live in that initial experience of Christ, are re-crucifying Jesus. But you are also wrong on another point.   We are changed in an instant.  We have new heart.  We are a new creation.   Rom. 12:2 is about the renewing of the mind.   Salvation is an inward transformation.   You are confusing transformation with sanctification.   Inwardly, we are new creations (II Cor. 5:17), but our mind is in constant need of renewal.   That's process of sanctification that will continue until death.   Those who are genuine followers of Jesus are those who have been born again, who have a new heart and a new set of desires to serve the Lord.       
    • Hi BacKaran, Pleased to meet you & welcome here. Now I understand about trusting the Lord, for that is what we do every day & not to worry, have anxiety etc. However saying that I think I need to say that it doesn`t mean to not do anything. God expects us to be mindful of the times & able to share with others. Thus we see what has happened in countries recently when the banks closed their doors & only let people have a few dollars from the ATM machines. Food was quickly gone from the shelves etc. So we need to keep some cash on hand plus extra food for others who don`t have much. This is trusting God to be able to help others. regards, Marilyn.
    • The below Scripture is about today, which I will show how, and it reveals how God feels about the pre-trib rapture theory of flying away to escape: Ezek 13:1-9
      13:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; 3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! 4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. 5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. 6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, "The LORD saith": and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. 7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, "The LORD saith it"; albeit I have not spoken? 8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD. 9 And Mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of My people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
      KJV That "day of the Lord" is an event set for the very end of this world on the last day, the day of Jesus' 2nd coming. God said there the religious leaders of the "house of Israel" have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for them so that they can do what? So that they can STAND in battle in the day of the Lord. The majority of you likely have little clue as to who and where the "house of Israel" exists in the last days leading up to this "day of this Lord" event. It's because most Churches today don't cover Bible history in-depth anymore. God split old Israel in Solomon's day into 2 separate kingdoms and thus 2 separate 'houses'. The ten tribes of Israel made up the northern kingdom of the "house of Israel" (these being spoken of here in Ezekiel 13). The ten tribes God scattered among the Gentiles in Solomon's days. They never returned as the majority of the people of Israel. At the same time of the split of Israel, the southern kingdom was the "house of Judah" in the southern lands, at Jerusalem/Judea. They remained in the land when the ten tribes were removed and scattered. Then about 120 years, the king of Babylon took those of the house of Judah captive to Babylon for 70 years, which only a small remnant of them returned to Jerusalem rebuild the city and 2nd temple prior to Jesus' 1st coming. These became known as the Jews. The majority of the tribes, the ten tribes, remained scattered among the Gentiles. Genesis 35 and 48 contain prophecy that Jacob was to become "a company of nations", and Ephraim, who would become the head tribe over the ten tribes (1 Kings 11 & 12), was to become "a multitude of nations". These nations are the western Christian nations of history. That is where the majority of the people of Israel were scattered to, forming the old European nations. This Ezekiel 13 chapter is specifically to the ten tribed "house of Israel" in the last days. If you have not realized this yet, I'll say it out load. There are TWO SEPARATE HOUSES OF ISRAEL in God's Word, the "house of Israel" (non-Jews) and the "house of Judah" (the Jews, from their head tribe Judah). God made Ezekiel specifically a prophet to the "house of Israel" (ten tribes, the "multitude of nations" under Ephraim). See also Ezekiel 3 about God having made Ezekiel a prophet to the house of Israel. If you don't understand the above, you will not understand how this prophecy is about events at the very end of this world. Ezek 13:17-23
      17 Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them, 18 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of My people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you? God uses the "daughters of thy people" to show these religious leaders were like women prophetesses. The idea of their sewing pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head people of all age groups, is in comparison to the female pagan prophetess who would lean upon a cushion or pillow with the victim having a veil over their head to symbolize some magical transforming state which would supposedly reveal secrets of the next world, etc. In short, these religious leaders, foxes among the house of Israel God called them, were really putting on a big mystical show to fool God's people. Are we getting closer to what's been going on in many of the Pre-trib Rapture Churches today, with people writhing in the floor uncontrollably making animal noises, shaking uncontrollably, speaking gibberish, and running and jumping up and down the asiles, etc.? And they call those works of The Holy Spirit? No, our Heavenly Father is right on with this Message here in Ezek.13 of what's going on in many Churches today. And just who... does the saving of souls? Is it the preacher? NO! It is GOD. He does the saving.   19 And will ye pollute Me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to My people that hear your lies? Man, now here's a big thing going on today in many of the Pre-trib Rapture Churches. Why can't we all have a huge mansion, lots of cars, even a private jet, like Joel Osteen does? What will happen if we go up in a tower and threaten to not come down until we receive $8 million dollars, like Oral Roberts did many years ago? If their preachers are talking about money most of the time, what do you think is on their minds most of the time? Yes, that's right, money! That is what the "handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread" represents here in this verse. What's really bad is, they offer eternal life to save the souls that should not live, while slaying the souls that should not die, all by their lies!   20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. Because of this, God is against their pillows they use to hunt the souls to make them... FLY! Make them do what??? Make them fly. That is exactly what the Pre-trib Rapture doctors are doing today in some churches, hunting souls to make them fly... away! Oh, fly away... you've heard the Gospel song. God said He is going to tear them out of those false prophet's arms.   21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver My people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life: 23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver My people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
    • I personally believe that there will be another GFC, (Global Financial Crisis) late this year, (or early next year). It will be 10 times bigger than the last because of the huge debt bubble. As to how it will affect the food, will make all our currencies devalued & thus our food will be dearer. Smaller banks & those who get caught will be swallowed up by the larger ones. Power getting into fewer hands. The IMF (International Monetary Fund) is now much bigger, with 5 major currencies in their `basket,` which will turn out to be the `saviour` again of the world`s economic system. It will print money on its own authority & give it out to countries in need - at a price! So it is all about getting rid of the old system & putting a better controlling one in its place. BTW it is a good opportunity to grow some of our own food & share with others. In times of need people are more open to what is real - Jesus. So let`s see this as a great opportunity to trust the Lord, & help others. Marilyn. 
    • As for the idea of the Church not being mentioned after Revelation chapter 3, that is another one of the lies from the false Pre-trib Rapture doctrine of men. Rev 13:7-8
      7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
      KJV You brethren who love God's Word more than doctrines of men like the false Pre-trib Rapture theory, do you see that bold phrase there in verse 8? That is especially about Christ's ELECT servants who were chosen from the foundation of the world. That is... Christ's Church! They are still... on earth there! What? Does the devil have "saints"? Who could that mean then? Hmm... let's see, believers of Buddhism aren't called saints, Muslims aren't called saints, unbelieving Jews aren't called saints, Hindus aren't called saints? Ah! I know! It must be CHRISTIANS, because they ARE called saints! And since when... are saints NOT about Christ's Church?!@!? So brethren, it's up to you who listen to, the simplicity that is in God's Holy Writ, or men's doctrines devised by charlatans who are really more interested in your money than protecting the flock, and who will run when the wolves come after the sheep (John 10). Hirelings they are, and they will have their reward when our Lord Jesus comes!  
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