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    • Woundeddog Firstly, I state and recognise that the remnants of Israel will be brought back into the kingdom during the millennium in the flesh, and will be given mercy and taught truth. John 6:27   Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. The 144,000 are special indeed, but according to many God must enjoy contradicting his word just to confuse us? You see, one cannot travel that narrow road, unless he is "sealed" with the holy spirit of promise.  The holy spirit is our teacher, and is given to us during our walk, measure by measure.  The holy spirit which is "the spirit of truth" guides us into all truth, and according to the scriptures, if we love Christ, we will feed on his Word and follow in his example.  The ones who do this are "sealed" to be taught everything the Father wants to show us, and that is through "understanding" his speech, and his will.  If he shows us his plan, we will not be in the dark, but in the light knowing how his plan will pan out.  If we put all the scriptures together, and understanding is given, then we will see no contradictions, but perfect harmony in his plan.  The dead in Christ are promised life again at the resurrection, they are sealed with that promise, they were fed in their day, but in the end times amongst the living, there are only 144K sealed, amongst a great multitude that will take part in the resurrection of the saints. Fact:  The 144,000 are sealed, and follow Christ, so they are in Christ.  Fact:  If anyone is in Christ, he will take part in the first resurrection. How many times were we told that there is no difference between Jew or Greek, when it comes to the holy saints who follow Jesus?  Romans 1:16   For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.  Romans 10:12   For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.  1 Corinthians 1:24   But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.  Galatians 3:28   There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Colossians 3:11   Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. What this then tells us, is that we are all "equal" when it comes to serving Christ.  I didn't write these scriptures, but I get the gist of what it's saying.  Romans 2:11   For there is no respect of persons with God.
        And then we come to Rev 7 where the 144,000 are "sealed" according to the tribes of the "children of Israel".  As you recognised, they are special, and very elect.  Such a small minority. Why would God, after explaining so many times that there is no difference between Jew or Gentile, suddenly switch his story?  This goes against everything previously stated and I was wondering if you could explain why suddenly the believing Jew is greater over the believing gentile?  Why the switch of plan?  
    • Hebrews 3:6 - "Whose house we are, if we hold fast our boldness and the glorying of our hope firm unto the end." Many believers, who for a time run well, get so entangled in the business or the pleasure of life, the literature, or the politics, or the friendships of the world, that all the life and the power of their profession (in Christ) is lost.  They do not understand that they must always walk by faith (in God's CALLING on their life) -- that every day and every hour nothing can help us but a clear, definite, habitual faith in God's power and working, as the only possibility of growth and progress.  ALBERT FINCH MINISTRY
    • Shalom, Dave Watchman. Mattityahu 1:1-17
      1:1 This is the genealogy of Yeshua the Messiah, son of David, son of Avraham:

      2 (1) Avraham was the father of (2) Yitz’chak,
      Yitz’chak was the father of (3) Ya‘akov,
      Ya‘akov was the father of (4) Y’hudah and his brothers,
      3 Y’hudah was the father of (5) Peretz and Zerach (their mother was Tamar),
      Peretz was the father of (6) Hetzron,
      Hetzron was the father of (7) Ram,
      4 Ram was the father of (8) ‘Amminadav,
      ‘Amminadav was the father of (9) Nachshon,
      Nachshon was the father of (10) Salmon,
      5 Salmon was the father of (11) Bo‘az (his mother was Rachav),
      Bo‘az was the father of (12) ‘Oved (his mother was Rut),
      ‘Oved was the father of (13) Yishai,
      6 Yishai was the father of (14) David the king.

      David was the father of (1) Shlomo (his mother was the wife of Uriyah),
      7 Shlomo was the father of (2) Rechav‘am,
      Rechav‘am was the father of (3) Aviyah,
      Aviyah was the father of (4) Asa,
      8 Asa was the father of (5) Y’hoshafat,
      Y’hoshafat was the father of (6) Yoram,
      Yoram was the father of (7) ‘Uziyahu,
      9 ‘Uziyahu was the father of (8) Yotam,
      Yotam was the father of (9) Achaz,
      Achaz was the father of (10) Hizkiyahu,
      10 Hizkiyahu was the father of (11) M’nasheh,
      M’nasheh was the father of (12) Amon,
      Amon was the father of (13) Yoshiyahu,
      11 Yoshiyahu was the father of Y’khanyahu and his brothers
      at the time of (14) the Exile to Bavel. 

      12 After the Babylonian Exile, (1) Y’khanyahu was the father of (2) Sh’altiel,
      Sh’altiel was the father of (3) Z’rubavel,
      13 Z’rubavel was the father of (4) Avihud,
      Avihud was the father of (5) Elyakim,
      Elyakim was the father of (6) ‘Azur,
      14 ‘Azur was the father of (7) Tzadok,
      Tzadok was the father of (8) Yakhin,
      Yakhin was the father of (9) El’ichud,
      15 El’ichud was the father of (10) El‘azar,
      El‘azar was the father of (11) Mattan,
      Mattan was the father of (12) Ya‘akov,
      16 Ya‘akov was the father of (13) Yosef the husband of Miryam, 
      from whom was born the (14) Yeshua who was called the Messiah. 17 Thus there were fourteen generations from Avraham to David,
      fourteen generations from David to the Babylonian Exile,
      and fourteen generations from the Babylonian Exile to the Messiah. 
      CJB I've done quite a bit of study on this, regarding the term "generation": I believe that you would find, if you study it out, too, that a "generation" is NOT just a transition from father to son. Rather, it's a back and forth of position with God, which only MAY be related to the transition between father and son. Notice that even as it is listed as three sets of "fourteen generations," the second set of 14 doesn't end with a person's name but with the time period called "the Exile to Bavel," and Y'khanyahu is listed TWICE, once before this Exile and once after. This explains the whole SECTION of names that were skipped within this genealogy. (See 2 Kings 8:24-15:1.) 1 Chronicles 3:10-19
      10 Shlomo’s son was Rechav‘am, his son Aviyah, his son Asa, his son Y’hoshafat, 11 his son Yoram, his son Achazyah, his son Yo’ash, 12 his son Amatzyah, his son ‘Azaryah, his son Yotam, 13 his son Achaz, his son Hizkiyahu, his son M’nasheh, 14 his son Amon and his son Yoshiyahu. 15 The sons of Yoshiyahu: Yochanan the firstborn, Y’hoyakim the second, Tzedekyah the third, and Shalum the fourth. 16 The sons of Y’hoyakim: Y’khonyah his son, and Tzedekyah his son. 17 The sons of Y’khonyah, also called Asir: Sh’alti’el his son; 18 also Malkiram, P’dayah, Shen’atzar, Y’kamyah, Hoshama and N’davyah. 19 The sons of P’dayah: Z’rubavel and Shim‘i.
      CJB Technically, the list should not have begun with Avraham since it was "FROM Avraham" but the first transition was WITHIN his lifetime. Thus, a line could have been added: "From Avram to Avraham AFTER his circumcision." There is nothing wrong with the lists of "fourteen generations." What's wrong is our understanding of the word "generations."  
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    • Dismissing Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Genesis 3:1(a-c) The Holy Word Of God Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160 Is Highly Unwise Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. Psalms 119:11 IMO So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17 ~ And As For The Difference Between The Many Beloved Gentile Nations For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. Isaiah 54:5 And The Dear Children Of Abraham, Isaac And Jacob Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. Revelation 19:7 Well Dear Reader, It's Up To You And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said, The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. Matthew 22:1-10 To Decide And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen. Matthew 22:11-14 ~ And As To The Burning Question Of Whither The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Revelation 1:1 Or Not The LORD Can Count Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Revelation 1:2 Again, You Decide And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Revelation 7:4-10 ~ Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
      The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
      The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 Love, Your Brother Joe
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