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    • Stigma does not mean to stick into- it can be used to mean ‘to prick with a needle’ but that is still a reference to how a tattoo is applied.  The term just means a mark in the skin... nothing more. I won’t make this a contest to see “who is correct” (as you stated). I’m not here to be correct, I’m here to communicate with others and exchange knowledge and experience. You hang on to your beliefs and opinions. I certainly won’t argue your right to make non-Biblical predictions about Biblical events.     
    • The origin of the word can be debated, but its use in the Bible was reference to the making of potions usually accompanied by spells.  The word merely refers to the practice of dispensing drugs but this practice was often perverted with satanic incantations.  The current day meaning of the word has nothing to do with witchcraft.
    • Shalom, Enoch2021. "Et tu, Brute?" (Latin for "And you [too], Brutus?") First of all, there is a DIFFERENCE between "erets" and "teeVeel" in Hebrew! It's similar to the difference between the words "gee" (pronounced "gay") and "kosmos" in Greek! That's also why we have two separate words, as well: "earth" and "world." They are NOT the same thing, even if they are IGNORANTLY used as synonyms. It's BECAUSE of our simplistic, one-verse method of building theology that has led to this ignorance. You CAN'T yank a verse out of its context and expect it always to be clear in meaning! To yank one of the verses out of God's Word and attempt to use it for whatever our little pea-pickin' brains can come up with at the moment is SHEER FOLLY! God doesn't abide by our rules; we are to learn from HIM and follow HIS rules! Just because the two words, "earth" and "world," are used in the same verse does NOT mean that they mean the same thing! Strong's Dictionaries of the Hebrew and Chaldee Languages and of the Greek Language are weak on the matter, but even James A. Strong and his colleagues know that there's a difference: OT:776 'erets (eh'-rets); from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):
      KJV -  common, country, earth, field, ground, land,  natins, way,  wilderness, world. OT:8398 teeVeel (tay-vale'); from OT:2986; the earth (as moist and therefore inhabited); by extension, the globe; by implication, its inhabitants; specifically, a partic. land, as Babylonia, Palestine:
      KJV - habitable part, world. OT:2986 yaaVal (yaw-val'); a primitive root; properly, to flow; causatively, to bring (especially with pomp):
      KJV - bring (forth), carry, lead (forth). NT:1093 gee (ghay); contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):
      KJV - country, earth (-ly), ground, land, world. NT:2889 kosmos (kos'-mos); probably from the base of NT:2865; orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication, the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally]):
      KJV - adorning, world. (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.) [The italicized "V" is the "vet"; that is, it's the "bet" without the dot in the middle of the letter (the "dagesh"). While the "bet" carries a "b" sound as in "boy," the "vet" carries a "v" sound as in "voice." I represent it with a capital "V" to differentiate between the "vet" and the "vav" ("v"). Strong's doesn't know this rule in Hebrew. In both teeVeel and yaaVal above, the letter is the undotted form, "vet" ("V").] It's just as the word "kosmos" is used in John 18:36: John 18:33-38
      33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?
      34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?
      35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?
      36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
      37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
      38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.
      KJV Yeshua` was NOT saying that His Kingdom was not of this EARTH (which would have been the Greek word "gee"); He was saying that His Kingdom is not of this WORLD-SYSTEM of government (the Greek word "kosmos")! The Hebrew word "teeVeel" is similar to the Greek word "kosmos!" Thus,...
      "erets" = "gee" = "earth" = soil/dirt/land/earth, and
      "teeVeel" = "kosmos" = "world" = inhabitants and their systems of government. So, look at the first three verses you quoted, put them back in their contexts, and interpret them correctly as the words imply! Second, I've already addressed this, but it was the sun (shemesh) and the moon (yareeach) that appeared to the Israelites as though they were moving; therefore, Mosheh (Moses) addressed them in his command, adding the words "l`eeyneey Yisraa'eel," meaning "to-the-eyes of-Israel." Don't beat a dead horse. Fill a sink with water and, without adding any outside force to the water, pull out the plug. You will SEE the "Coriolis Effect" as the water spins down the drain. Wikipedia gives us this at Coriolis_force: So, it is a "force" that is bent by the spinning motion of the earth. "Cyclones" are the cyclic motion of Lows and Highs in our atmosphere; when they dominate the weather patterns, we call the storms formed "tropical storms" or "hurricanes" in the Atlantic or "typhoons" in the Pacific. Living in Florida, we deal with the threat of these every year! They ALWAYS spin in a counterclockwise motion (in the Northern Hemisphere) because they are always formed by Lows (low-pressure systems)! Thus, the Coriolis Effect is a reality for the clouds and the oceans upon the earth as the earth, being its reference frame AS THOUGH IT WAS STANDING STILL, since we, too, are seeing the earth AS THOUGH it was standing still, being stationary upon the turning earth and turning with it at the same rate! Job 26:7
      7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
      KJV Job 38:12-14
      12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
      13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it [the earth]?
      14 It [the earth] is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
      KJV You said, ... "So, if the Coriolis Effect Exists (with Respect to the Earth), then a Flight from Charlotte North Carolina to LA (Non-Stop) traveling @ 500 mph (Air Speed) --- with both locations roughly 35th degree N Latitude, (i.e., both 'allegedly' spinning @ 860 mph ) should be ~ *1.5 hours!!* (But it's ~ *4.5 hrs!!*) Charlotte to LA Flight: Air Speed 500 mph. Ground Speed: 500 mph + 860 mph "Alleged" rotation speed = 1360 mph." Using molecular theory, there are approximately 1.09 * 1044 molecules in the earth's atmosphere, and each one of those molecules have independent movement based upon the forces of the other molecules around it. As they collide and bump into each other, their forces are shared and exchanged and added together or subtracted from each other in all sorts of angles. There IS a general course of flow from west to east that is shared among the molecules of atmosphere, produced by the "Coriolis Effect," that produces a high speed area that shifts with the various eddies and whirls that is known as the "jet stream." So, the prevailing winds travel from west to east! Thus, you are wrong about adding their speeds. You should SUBTRACT their speeds! The plane's velocity doesn't have a tail wind but a HEAD WIND! Furthermore, you must consider that the jet will be crossing into other time zones, and despite the speed of the jet, the speed of the earth's rotation is faster. Therefore, you do not see the sun go across the sky backward, but the sun still travels in the same direction, only slower. You've got this backward. First of all, it is the EARTH that is assumed to be the static frame from the observer's point of reference. It's the ATMOSPHERE and all the various molecules that make up the atmosphere that are moving in reference to that static frame - that "frame of reference." Experiments such as this occur in a subject called "fluid dynamics." I studied such motion in my Engineering core classes. Put a ball on the end of a drill. Then, fill a tub with water and wait until the water is still. Start up the drill slowly, and submerge the ball halfway into the surface of that water. You will find that the water begins to circulate with the spinning ball as the inertia of the ball is passed to the molecules of the fluid water. You can measure out five centimeters from the surface of the ball, and find when the water begins to circulate with the ball at that point. It's one molecule at a time in a fluid, but eventually the entire tub of water will be affected by the spinning ball. Nonsense. East, north, and south winds occur because of the SPINNING of air in the atmosphere! There are an infinite number of eddies and whirls in the atmosphere and at all levels of the atmosphere, which is a three-dimensional fluid! When, you go for a canoe trip, you can see the eddies and whirls left by a paddle that is only moving in one direction. Any time you have a boundary between forces, you will have some sort of whirling motion. In the atmosphere, weathermen call these boundaries between air masses "fronts," and the various air masses are determined by their general temperatures, pressures, and directions of flow, and there are three basic types of fronts: warm fronts, cold fronts, and stationary fronts. There's also a fourth, more rare form of front called an occluded front, but it is merely a cold front overtaking a warm front. The air mass with the greater energy determines the flow of the front itself, but in North America, the flow is generally from north-west to south-east. When a Low dominates, the pattern will be a westerly flow (because it's at a different height in the atmosphere and is powered by the warm Atlantic waters) that will eventually turn to the north and then back to the east. YES! That's EXACTLY how it is! We're talking about the ATMOSPHERE, a whirling, churning mass of air molecules (1.09 x 1044 molecules) that, for all the churning, exists over the entire earth at a depth of 200 miles, with the higher concentrations near the surface of the earth! And, there is a general tendancy for them all to flow, at different rates and with different speeds and in different concentrations, toward the east! Even the back eddies, the Lows that travel in a counterclockwise direction, the whole Low is pushed along to the east eventually! In the higher elevations, you see the speeds of the NORMAL, LOW CONCENTRATION flow with the rotation of the earth. It's at the lower, higher concentrations of molecules that all the bumping and collisions slow the molecules down (warming up the air)! Technically and mathematically, there's no end to the thinning of the atmosphere; however, on a PRACTICAL level, there is an "end" at around an altitude of 200-250 miles. Molecules, despite how small they are, ARE substantial pieces of matter. Eventually, they thin out until you only have a molecule or two that escapes earth's gravitational pull to exist in the vacuum of space, and even they will be pulled back into the collective mass after time passes. The gas molecules are attracted to each other by the same forces that keep molecules together. Basically, the concepts of attraction between the negatively charged electrons and the positively charged protons in the atoms' nuclei are the main attractors. There are also other attractions that may be involved, such as the magnetic attractions between dipoles and induced dipoles. That is, molecules that have a more positively charged end and a more negatively charged end. The like poles repel and the unlike poles attract, just as in other magnetic materials.  How do these attractions and repulsions occur? In truth, ONLY GOD KNOWS, for HE is the Creator! All we can do is observe and report what we have seen. So, where does all this energy come from? From GOD, of course! Well, the "Flat-Earth" religion is even harder to believe! Sir Newton was indeed a "free Mason" but that is a FAR DIFFERENT breed of "free Masonry" than is prevalent today. While he did some theorizing and experimenting with alchemy, the fields of physics, chemistry, and natural laws were so new that they hadn't yet been fully developed, and the sciences of molecular theory and nuclear theory hadn't even been invented, yet! So, cut the man some slack! At least, he held to the principle that God created the earth and was even a minister and preacher of the Word for a time! He was NEVER a "Lucifer Worshiper!" So he knew that mutual attraction without some forces involved was all theory without substance. That doesn't negate the fact that his laws of gravitation still WORKED! That is, they FIT THE FACTS OF THE OBSERVED AND MEASURED INTERACTIONS! And, as far as "the Scientific ('Pseudo' or otherwise) Community not following Newtonian gravity," they DO FOLLOW IT at the practical level! Personally, I've never held to the General Theory of Relativity. I believe that the same results that are actually measurable and observable can be seen in the Four Field Vector Theory that has been promoted by scientists within the Institute for Creation Research. Furthermore, their Theory fits the facts BETTER than do Einstein's General Theory, even to the point of "predicting" the Special Theory of Relativity, namely,
      E = mc2. As mentioned before, the phenomenon observed was the BACK-TRACKING of the planets among the backdrop of the stars. The fact that the planets would be generally moving in one direction, STOP, and REVERSE COURSE for a brief time, and then STOP AGAIN, and continue on in the ORIGINAL direction! What causes that?! The Formal Scientific Hypothesis, the Independent Variable, and the Null Hypothesis, to my knowledge, were never formed, having been discovered LONG before such procedures were adopted. However, they tried various possibilies - various scenarios - testing whether they would get the same results. What we learned through the course of time is that the planets, EARTH INCLUDED, travel on basically the SAME PLANE in their trips around the sun and that the planets all move at different speeds and generally the farther planets take much longer to complete a revolution around the sun than do the inner planets! Therefore, we are looking at "circles" (elipses) edge-on when we look at the planets in the sky! At one time, the earth will be behind the planet, "catching up" to its current position in the circle; at another time, the earth will have caught up to the planet in their respective orbits, and then at a later time the earth will be leaving the planet "in the dust," so to speak. It's hard to explain in words, but a good demonstration can be found at what-is-retrograde-motion at EarthSky.org.  Again, NONSENSE! Nine thousand km2 is only 1,859.5 mi2, which in a square plot of ground would be 43.12 miles by 43.12 miles! The 43.12 miles in a circumference of 24,902 miles would only be 0.6234 degrees of the earth's circumference! That would be practically NEGLIGIBLE! Curves even over such a distance would not appear to be curves! Sometimes, people have absolutely NO CLUE how big a ball we live upon! People will make the mistake of thinking we live on a small planet, but the earth is MUCH larger than we realize on a practical level! In #2 above, if 43.12 miles was negligible, 35 miles certainly would be! You really don't know what you're talking about because there would hardly be any obstruction at all even over 50 miles! And, just why do you think the radar tracking height would be 80 feet? In #3 above, you said, "Pilots traveling @ a typical cruising speed of 500 mph --- to simply maintain altitude, would constantly have to adjust their altitude downwards, (to Compensate for the Curvature) and descend 2,777 feet over half a mile every minute !!!" However, you don't know what you are talking about! Because they are constantly flying at the same altitude above the curvature of the earth, gravity does the "adjusting" for them! All they have to do is FLY LEVEL! You REALLY don't understand how big the earth is, do you? In #4, it is a COLUMN of air that is weighed against the GROUND! That's how air pressure is measured. It's reported as, for instance, 14.70 pounds per square inch! When one measures air pressure with mercury in an inverted tube, the mercury falls to the lower end of the tube  (submerged in a pan of mercury) and one measures the height of the column of mercury to be, say, 760 mm of mercury. However, there is a GAP at the top of that column before you get to the upper end of the tube. Do you know what's in that gap? NOTHING! It's a VACUUM! That's how a barometer works! You waste too much time fighting against the truth - kicking against the ox-goads, as Paul would say. It's time to give it up.
    • I think it is obvious that English is not your first language and the way you have worded your questions and answers are very difficult to understand and have caused some conflict. So, if you are truly are a Christian you will forgive us if we ask if you are a Christian because this is basic doctrine about God. So, I believe what you are really asking is, "if God is so big (expansive) how could he become a man who is small in stature?" But the very nature of God is that because He is God and He is all powerful nothing is impossible for Him. Therefore, He took the form of man and became a man for us so that in his human form He could die for the penalty of our sin (because He is sinless) in order to save us. I hope that answers your question.    
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