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Science has taught us that for the big bang theory to have happened, it took time, space energy and mass for the creation of the universe to happen. The first verse in the Bible answers this question in Genesis 1:1 In the beginning (Time) God (Ultimate energy) created the heavens (Space) and the earth (Mass!) God who is dark matter, spoke and crack! The vibration of sound and gravity that is still felt today and as we all know sound goes on into infinity and is the friction expanding the universe and static energy! Let’s take a look at what a recent NASA probe study over 5 years says shall we? I will include the source for you as well so that you may dispute the findings with NASA, I know that there must be something wrong with this and you are welcome to set them straight, and please let all of us on this forum know how that worked out for you! Also note not everyone looks to the Bible as being only in the literal sense! This is why a lot of Christians look ignorant, as well as those who think we all think alike! Note that a 7 day literal creation or 7 thousand year creation is ridiculous seeing as how the Bible states the sun and moon were created on the 4 th day! U.S. probe produces three major findings about universe WASHINGTON, March 7 (Xinhua) -- NASA, the U.S. space agency, released on Friday five years of data collected by the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP), which include three major findings about the universe. The probe got the new evidence that a sea of cosmic neutrinos permeates the early universe. According to the scientists' analysis, universe is awash in "a sea of cosmic neutrinos". Neutrinos made up a much larger part of the early universe than they do today. Genesis 1:2 (King James Version) 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. My this sounds just like what they spoke of above does it not? We know that there is water in space as well. Microwave light seen by WMAP from when the universe was only 380,000 years old shows that, at the time, neutrinos made up 10 percent of the universe, atoms 12 percent, dark matter 63 percent, photons 15 percent, and dark energy was negligible. In contrast, estimates from WMAP data show the current universe consists of 4.6percent atoms, 23 percent dark matter, 72 percent dark energy and less than 1 percent neutrinos. Genesis 1:3 (King James Version) 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Wow! Again just like the statement above, but let’s go on! Another breakthrough derived from WMAP data is clear evidence the first stars took more than a half-billion years to create a cosmic fog. The data provide crucial new insights into the end of the "dark ages," when the first generation of stars began to shine. The glow from these stars created a thin fog of electrons in the surrounding gas that scatters microwaves, in much the same way fog scatters the beams from a car's headlights. "We now have evidence that the creation of this fog was a drawn-out process, starting when the universe was about 400 million years old and lasting for half a billion years," said WMAP team member Joanna Dunkley of the University of Oxford in Britain. Genesis 1:4 (King James Version) 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. Now how can this be? How can the Bible say such things? There is no science in the Bible! It is all made up stuff by so many people! Oh say it isn’t so Joe! A third major finding arising from the new WMAP data places tight constraints on the astonishing burst of growth in the first trillionth of a second of the universe, called "inflation", when ripples in the very fabric of space may have been created. Some versions of the inflation theory now are eliminated. Others have picked up new support. Prior to the release of the new five-year data, WMAP already had made a pair of landmark finds. In 2003, the probe's determination that there is a large percentage of dark energy in the universe erased remaining doubts about dark energy's very existence. That same year, WMAP also pinpointed the 13.7 billion year age of the universe. Launched on June 30, 2001, WMAP is a NASA Explorer mission named in honor of David Wilkinson of Princeton University, a world-renown cosmologist and WMAP team member who died in September 2002. Genesis 1:5 (King James Version) 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Notice how in the above statement they use the word ripples! Oh you know the sound thing as in vibration GOD” said; let there be light! I spoke of this at the start that the Bible mentions this, and notice they do not deny dark energy either! They once thought that it did not exist much like GOD” Oh and the day thing that those of you love to quote in the Bible as being a day as we know it or a 24 hour period the earths sun was not created yet! Or even some say a thousand years is but a day and think this is literal! Shame on you for being ignorant! The light spoken of was not that of day light like you think either! Lets tackle this day issue for all of our learning shall we? I will use the Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance Bible Dictionary. The word used for day is the Hebrew word reference # 3117 yowm, or yome; from an unused root meaning, to be hot ; as a day (as in warm hour or time) whether lit. Or fig. I would also like to note here could this heat be like that which is created by friction? Or a nuclear explosion or? I won’t go on here you get the drift! (a space of time defined by an associated term), Often used adv):- age + always, + chronicles, continually(ance), daily, birth-) each, to)day, now a , two)days (agone), + elder, x end, + evening,+(for)ever, (lasting, more) x full, life, as (so)long as,(…live), (even), now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually,+ presently, + remainith, x required, season, x since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a), while, that, x whole(+age), (full), year(ly), + younger. I think that you get the point that it was a span of time and was not the literal day as most believe it was. You see it is all about perceptions versus fact! What you think you know may not be as much as you expect! The Bible is much more complex than we believe and if you think this is BS your mind proves that Einstein’s theories are correct! The second principal of thermodynamics states that every closed system goes from order to disorder! I like to put it this way; every closed system (Your mind) goes from calm to chaos, when we are give facts! http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/08/content_7745220.htm Genesis 1:1-5 (King James Version) Genesis 1 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. I know that many are deluded in their understanding, the same way that many in the science community will try to disprove what I have pointed out. Let me ask you here, can you describe dark energy? Dark matter? The force of creation? The Bible tells us that no one has ever seen GOD” the father at any time as he is spirit, man has seen God” the son who came in the form of Jesus Christ! I do believe that it is fascinating that we used to believe that dark energy did not exist or that neutrinos had no mass to them, but we now know both assumptions are wrong! And now you see we are learning more all the time about our great big universe! Things are so easy to understand once put into perspective! I love science! I am still in awe of GOD and his creative power! Another source you can read, look to it with the information you now have . Scientists announced today new evidence supporting the theory that the infant universe expanded from subatomic to astronomical size in a fraction of a second after its birth. The finding is based on new results from NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) satellite, launched in 2001 to measure the temperature of radiant heat left over from the Big Bang, which is the theoretical beginning to the universe. This radiation is known as the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB), and it is the oldest light in the universe. Using WMAP data, researchers announced in 2003 that they had pieced together a very detailed snapshot of the universe as it was about 400,000 years after the Big Bang, and that they had determined things like its age, composition and development. The previous data showed that the universe was about 13.7 billion years old. It also revealed that it wasn't until about 200 million years after the Big Bang that conditions were cool enough for the first stars to form. Scientists were also able to conclude that the universe is composed of about 4 percent real matter, about 23 percent dark matter, and about 73 percent dark energy. Nobody actually knows what dark matter or dark energy are, however. The new WMAP observations, announced at a NASA press conference today, reveal what the universe was like in the first trillionth of a second after the Big Bang. From the microwave background, researchers teased out a new signal called the "polarization signal." "This new signal is roughly 100 times weaker than the signal we analyzed three years ago and about a billion times less than the radiant warmth we feel from the Sun," said Lyman Page, a WMAP team member from Princeton University. The researchers collected observations of this polarization signal to create a map of the early universe, allowing them to test a sub-theory within the Big Bang theory, called "inflation." Inflation theory states that the universe underwent a rapid expansion immediately following the Big Bang. "During this growth spurt, a tiny region, likely no larger than a marble, grew in a trillionth of a second to become larger than the visible universe," said WMAP researcher David Spergel, also from Princeton University. The new observations reveal that the early expansion wasn't smooth, with some regions expanding faster than others. "We find that density fluctuations on the 1- to 10-billion-light-year scale are larger than density fluctuations on the hundred-million-light-year scale," Spergel said. "That is just what inflation theory predicts." These fluctuations are thought to have led to clumping of matter that allowed the formation of galaxies. Brian Greene, a physicist from Columbia University who wasn't involved in the research, called the new findings "spectacular" and "stunning." "A major question that people have asked for decades is where do stars and galaxies come from? The answer coming from WMAP data supports the idea that quantum fluctuations are the answer," Greene said. "WMAP's data supports the notion that galaxies are nothing but quantum mechanism writ large across the sky." The new findings brings humanity closer to answering one of its oldest questions, that of where we come from, Greene said. "WMAP certainly doesn't answer this question, but its data is taking us one giant step closer to the answer by giving us a precise quantitative look at the universe's earliest fraction of a second," Greene said. "It's a tiny window of time, but it's a critical one in our quest to learn what happened at time zero itself." The new findings have been submitted to Astrophysical Journal. http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060316_wmap_results.html

Those who don't understand that there was a tribulation period for Israel then and a completely separate event looming on the horizon for the disobedient church miss a lot of understanding of scripture as well as the nature of God. The warning has gone out. The church has been told to repent. Many seem to be blind to this though. The first four seals will be massively horrible for most of the church. What book is it that has these seals upon it that must be opened that would cause John to weep because no one was found worthy? As I try to understand what is being said in the opening of this terrible period of time, there appears to be coming one who will begin the whole process by going out and overcoming with a great victory as well as a huge uprising within the church where men turn on each other and betray one another as Judas did our Lord. This followed by or accompanied by, I cannot tell which, many of the church who are disobedient to the word of God being taken captive and made slaves by others while the anointed spirit filled believers are kept safe. In the whole of the uproar we loose 25% of the body of Christ to the cleansing/purifying work of the Lord. The fifth seal looks back upon the first four and those who were slain therein who are hid under the altar. Along with the revelation of them who will also be killed yet future as they were. Then, we get to the sixth seal and the realization that the great day of Gods wrath is come and Gods wrath is ready to be poured out upon those who dwell upon the earth. The final rearranging of the powers of heaven happen with Satan being cast down to earth with his angels. So that the wrath of God can be poured out on him rightfully. Then the seventh seal. The final outpouring of Gods wrath. But through all of this God promises that if Noah, Daniel or Job be in it, they shall deliver their own selves by their own righteousness. Time to get right and stay right with God. I say these things to you now so that you will understand when they begin to happen all around you. Peter warned us not to be amazed at the fiery trial which is to try us as if some strange thing had happened. He also warned that it was time that judgment begin at the house of God and that the righteous scarcely be saved. Awake to righteousness and sin not. Prepare ye the way of the Lord. In Jesus Name, Gary

That has been debunked as just another urban myth. PLEASE check these things out before you accept them as truth. You think that the Obama Care Bill was debunked?? First time I have heared of this.....can you supply evidence that proves this. It is the taking of the chip that has been debunked, not the full bill. Here is a link. http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp

I was out sight seeing as well with my 95 year old mother... Isn't The Lord AWESOME

Enjoyed it LS. Looking at the environment these animals live in.. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we..who have control..would respect it as those lovely creatures are?

Its great to seek the things of God and its a blessing when He stirs your spirit to go deeper. My advice is for you to approach God for answers concerning your boyfriend/marriage as you are concerning the end of times. When we become so passionate..where our ears and spirit is in tune with the Lord.. we latch onto them like a bulldog..God is able to reach us and then able to move in our lives. Great things are revealed.. and victory is accomplished. In reality everything that concerns us..should be approached in the same matter as things that stirs us and draws us deeper.. to know what God is speaking or not speaking to us about. Through prayer and personal fellowship..He will speak to you..You will know His voice and no stranger will you answer. No confusion.. Do not move out on feelings..God will send confirmation clearly and when He does..everything will be in order and fall in place. Blessings

BUMP. God expects us to defend ourselves and our families. Many Scriptures teach this and we can ignore them at our own peril.

Why present some woman who wrote a letter that provided no scriptural backing for her claim? I read through this whole piece expecting to see something worthwhile but found nothing but a bunch of words that prove nothing yet assert that we shouldn't doubt what they say because they have all the evidence, which of course was not provided. They brought up Lot. Great. Lot was taken out of Sodom to another place still here on earth where he and his were protected from that which was going on upon the earth. Doesn't support rapture in the least. They could have brought up Noah who was at least raised up above it all while it happened, except he was, well, still left upon the earth but merely protected by the ark which he was inside with his family. Of course this picture represents God protecting those who are truly his through the wrath while they are still here upon the earth, not raptured away. Those who have put on Christ and walk in him as he is our ark. Enoch would have been a good place to start for rapture support. At least he was taken from the earth. The problem with using him is that he had the testimony that he pleased God and therefore God took him. Our present day church doesn't fit this criteria. Most who believe in a pretrib rapture believe that their works do not matter when it comes to pleasing God. This error causes them to continue on in sin banking that Jesus has paid it all and what they do will only be burnt up and forgotten by God. OK. You can believe that if you want but you might be surprised come judgement day and everyone is receiving for that which they have done in the body whether good or bad. Maybe we should look at Elijah. He was taken up and therefore was a type of the rapture, right? I would agree. He was. But, that said, before his being taken he had gone through a period of time where he was calling the people of God to return to their God. As part of his ministry he prayed that God would with hold the rain and he did for 3 1/2 years. Which is the equivalent of what some believe the tribulation period will be since those days have been shortened. Once again, no pretrib here. More like post trib rapture. What's left? Where can we find all this pretrib rapture evidence? My own church believes in pretrib. I plan to be here to help them adapt to the times of the tribulation when it comes. Their misunderstanding comes from the fact that they believe that you can't actually be like Christ in this life and are always proved right as they continually fail in their walk with him, much of it deliberately. But as God has stated in his word, being a hear of the word only and not a doer causes you to deceive yourself. Imagine the surprise of those disobedient Christians when other peoples, maybe Islamic ones, come and take them captive and make them slaves, like what happened to disobedient and gainsaying Israel. They will be sorry they spent all their time on video games, professional sports, golf and television entertainment, instead of doing the work that God told them to do. Their captures will not be so nice as to worry about their comfort. But not all will go into captivity, some will just be killed. Those that live by the sword rather than keep in line with Jesus sermon on the Mount will die with their guns in their hands laying next to their car with the bumper sticker that says "you will only take my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers". What is coming in the near future is not expected by those who are going to experience it. They are not worried about doing spiritual battle with the heathen in the land because they believe Christ is going to whisk them all away before punishing the heathen. Why bother fighting a losing battle? The truth is quite the opposite. The church of Philadelphia was told that because the kept the word of his patience he would keep them from the tribulation. Once again they had the testimony that they pleased God with their works. He didn't say I will whisk you away to heaven, but I will keep you. Keep as in preserve through like he did Noah. How can this be? I thought the pretribulation rapture was supported all through scripture. Is there any evidence of the post trib rapture found in scripture. God keeping his own free from harm because they are not appointed to wrath while keeping them in the trial? How about Daniel in the Lions den? How about the three in the fiery furnace who came out without a scratch nor even the smell of smoke upon them? Noah in the ark? Israel crossing the sea? Gideon and the 300 with their lamps? Jesus being removed from Israel while Herod killed all the babies? How about Paul who was in the tempest aboard the ship who gave command that the others could only be saved if they stayed in the boat? That one is very interesting as God kept the righteous through the trial. Elijah was led away and fed by birds and angels while the rest of the world suffered hunger. Of course he went to the widow woman and the meal didn't waste though the land was in distress. God sustained the Israelites in the wilderness not taking them out of it. Jesus prayed to the Father that we be not taken out of the world but be kept from the evil. God is the master of keeping his, those who trust in him, safe from harm though sometimes he allows them to be afflicted as Job was. In the end, God said that though he send tribulation upon the land though Noah, Daniel or Job be in it they shall deliver themselves by their own righteousness. God is the master protector. He moves people where he wants them, when he wants them despite what they want to do. He caused Paul to be taken from Jerusalem, where Paul wanted to be, to Rome where Jesus said he would testify of him. He is going to make all of his enemies assemble in the valley so that he can destroy them. He works all things to the counsel of his own will. Period. My suggestion is that if you fear God (and most don't because of false doctrine that keeps them secure though they continue to sin) then you will enter the ark by putting on the new man which is created in the image of him who created him and walk in the spirit of God so that when it all goes down you will be safe and secure though the world collapse all around you. So that you will still be alive and remain when Jesus comes and you can meet him in the air upon his arrival. If you happen to be like Noah and are a preacher of righteousness then you can expect that God will bring the beast of the field to you for protection through the calamity. Those being the ones he wishes to populate his kingdom that he will subdue with the power of his word. If your like Daniel then you will be innocent of all charges ever brought against you and God will send his angel to shut the mouth of the Lion though you be a nice treat. If your like Job then you will suffer greatly because you understood that you were righteous but did not give God the proper credit and justified yourself rather than God and in the end were exalted by God though you had to suffer. The bible is full of the truth but God people are destroyed for lack of knowledge because they refuse knowledge. They don't believe the work he is going to work in their day though a man declare it unto them. Don't be one of the unfortunate who are found lacking that believe they are have the imputed righteousness of Christ though they have forsaken the sanctification of the spirit in favor of a pleasurable lifestyle. Whose garden is choked out by the weeds/cares of this world and deceitfulness of riches. Submit unto God. Present your body as a living sacrifice holy acceptable unto God that he may walk in you and preform his work of reconciliation to the world around you and you will be handsomely rewarded for you faith. To be carnally minded is death in more ways than one. Though it leads to spiritual death it can also lead to physical death during times of tribulation. Just ask the Israelites who came before you. Better to be a prophet for God and not accept deliverance so that you can have a better resurrection. In Jesus Name, Gary

Time Zero In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1 And Today's Science He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. Ecclesiastes 3:11

People need science to create things. God only needs His spoken word to do the same. However, we too have the power to manifest things in our lives, such as miracles by our spoken words sanctified by the holy blood of Jesus Christ. Science cannot explain how ones words are able to manifest, but God can explain how science can manifest. God is way more advanced than any technology known to the human race. Some things we just can't explain with our human minds...

King James Version About swearing..... James 5:12 But, above all , my brethren, do not swear , either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath. About Cussing.... James 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not be so. 2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. So tell your friends that say these things .... it is ungodly . If an unclean word comes out of my mouth ...I ask God ...immediately to forgive me.

I've been doing really well in curbing my obsenities for a while, and I think the bible says it best in Ephesians 4:29, "29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.". I highly doubt that us using the F-bomb is building anybody up... that's probably been one of my greatest challenges, because I used to swear so much it became second nature, and I'm STILL trying to break the habit, especially if I'm having an impatient day or something... it's tough... To answer the question, no I don't think we as Christians should swear. I'm sure we'll all have our slip ups, but we should be focusing on NOT using those words, as they don't benefit anyone else, including ourselves.