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As a follow-up or split from this thread: 1. Do you agree with this article and this list presented? Can you think of other reasons? 2. What role does God play in suffering? 3. What role do we as Christians play in suffering? Which of these reasons resonates the most with you? God bless, GE

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I believe that I am a miracle. To be living a life in darkness and having God miraculously turning me around and putting me on the right path is a miracle! I understand what "miracles" you are referring to. I hear stories of them taking place all over esp in countries like Africa. Our problem is a lack of Faith. We (Western Christians as a whole) have become so self-dependent and so intellectual that we do not rely on God and God alone like they did in Acts times. We are much smarter as a generation and that makes us want to figure everything out. That is NOT faith, and clearly it takes faith to manifest miracles. Intellectualism stunts the growth of faith

1) Using your logic, Jesus also says that ALL believers will cast out devils, take up serpents, drink poisonous things and be fine... Have you casted out any devils? Have you taken up serpents and not died? Have you drank poison and lived? If you can't say yes to ALL of these, according to your logic, then YOU are not a believer. 2) It says they would speak with NEW tongues. NOWHERE in the scripture do we see anyone speak in "unknown" tongues besides at the tower of babel. So if you speak in unknown tongues, and there hasn't been interpretations, then you haven't had the Acts 2:4 experience.

Much love to you In Him...Jesus...My Lord... Has anyone that has a problem with what some do with their money...has anyone cast all that care on The Lord? He is big enough to take care of it...And we get changed in the process...Oh Lord You Are So Good... Also seems to me that we have to be blessed first to become a blessing... So I'm just going to focus on The Word...Which is Alive...Because My Jesus Lives...and I won't give a whole bunch at once... When I was doing this: Looking up these verses and looking up Words in Strong's...And if I made any human errors...I apologize in advance. I looked up the word: riches in Strong's Concordance...and saw that (4149) is given for this word from Romans all the way to the end of Revelation...Wealth, money, possessions, abundance, richness, bestowment... Before I go much further...Riches in material possessions do not save us!!! And I'm sure that all the Pastors we've talked about know this as well...It is my experience that being rich In Christ brings all things...one of my life verses is: With God All Things Are Possible... Just wanting to point this out too: We are all in different places in our Walk With God...and just because we haven't walked there yet doesn't mean it's wrong...and quite possibly, eventually, if we don't give up, God will bring about some of these things in our life for His reasons...I know His Ways and Thoughts are Higher Than Mine... Col. 2:9-10 For In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. And you are complete In Him, who is the head of all principality and power. Col. 2:18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind. 2 Cor. 8:9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich. 1 Tim. 6:17-Command those who are rich in this present age not to be haughty, nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God, who gives us richly all things to enjoy. I truly believe that these Pastor's do not have "The Love" of money for it brings all kinds of foolish and harmful lusts according to 1 Tim. 6:8-10...What if 1 Tim. 6:2 says that we should be serving these "rich" Pastors-if we work for them...oh dear...and if anyone despises his brethren because he is benefited...well...verses 3-5 deals with that... Then Jer. 9:23-24 Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, Let not the mighty man glory in his might, Nor let the rich man glory in his riches; But let him who glories glory in this, That he understands and knows Me, That I am the Lord, exercising lovingkindness, judgement, and righteousness in the earth. For in these I delight, says the Lord.

Much love to you, Has anyone participating in this particular thread experienced God literally raising you up from death...with nothing but Him to rely on? No material possessions...And literally born again by The Spirit of God? Changed...Different...So Profound That You Can't Even Recognize Your Own Self...And "worldly-ness" taken away...In the world but not a part of it...And seeing How God Provides for you? Has anyone ever only depended on God? I have...and still am...and always will...and "things" are coming my way that I didn't have to pay for...Name brand-High Dollar Things...Obtained totally legally by the way...Being given to me...Am I supposed to give away my "gifts"? Sometimes I sure do...I will use these wonderful things for a while and then take them to do with as God so desires...Seems to me like God gives a lot to someone that will pass it on...seems to me like that's sowing and reaping...I think a lot of understanding is needed to be able to "see"...My my Have you ever thought about how much God talks about how wonderful having "understanding" is...How good it is to have it...I'm seeing how good it is...it's like a treasure...and I'm saying Wow!!! Has anyone literally, Walked In The Spirit and then slowing but surely learn from God how to recognize others that also Walk In The Spirit and not their flesh...Some of us are really showing the abundance of the heart...and it's coming out the fingers...Hahaha...instead of the mouths... Before we go much further on persecuting to the utmost Pastors that have been at it for many decades...Again...We're having our preconceived notions about How someone else should steward what God has given them...The Pastors we are talking about as far as I've learned...have boards to answer to...they draw a salary-and it might be a nice one... But most of all...This is something that I've heard about...What if a multi-millionaire was helped by your ministry and that multi-millionaire gave like millions to you...and you were free to do with it as you wished...Wow...What would we say then? Because I'm pretty sure that's what I heard happened to one of the Pastors that has been brought up in this conversation... Father...Thank You For Your Grace and Mercy...None Of us Deserve Anything That You Have Done...Are doing...And Will Do...I Am So Very Grateful To You At All Times...Thank You That I Believe All Things Are Possible With You...Thank You Especially For Indwelling Your Children Mightily For Your Glory...We Are Being Healed...Helped...Made Whole...Given Hope...Because You Have Taken The Foolish Things of This World...Whew...My my...Oh Yes You Have...In The Name of Jesus...Thank You, Father...

Let's start here. This photo was taken from the link you provided. There are 14 different skulls here. Where are the rest of them? Evolution is a slow gradual process. There is no physical evidence of this slow gradual physical change. All the evolutionist has is what it was (A) and what it evolved into (B). There is no fossil evidence of that slow gradual transition. The theory of evolution can't be reconciled with God's creation because the theory is false. There is absolutely no evidence to substantiate the claim that all life evolved from a single cell entity.

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