Jump to content

Leaderboard

Popular Content

Showing content with the highest reputation on 12/14/2013 in all areas

  1. i have witnessed a room of 20 kindergarten kids in my wife's classroom join hands and speak to God as though they were holding his hands right along with them asking for help for someone who needed it...... the simple open faith and boldness would put most churches I've attended to shame. Makes one emotional just to remember it. What made it the best was that my wife had nothing whatsoever to do with it other than agreeing to stop what they were doing and letting them have time with God........ didn't try to guide them or ever show them how..... just say OK and got out of the way. Gave me a better understanding of what Jesus meant when he said that we must come to Them as little children. To these kids, God wasn't just off somewhere listening, he was there among them holding their hands.... you could feel it in the room....
    1 point
  2. I would like to have the following questions answered.. After seeing all these shootings happening at various schools around the nation aren't they supposed to have some security standing at the doors especially at the high schools? Next is how yet again did this guy get into the school especially with a rifle and no one noticed he had it? If he was just getting revenge on the teacher how is it that he shot other students? Seeing that he took his own life and causing a traumatic situation ending with taking his own life why are parents not keeping a closer eye on these kids to make sure that everything is alright with on a daily basis? Do they not know it is not against the law to have a close relationship with their kids? Now that one girl I read is in critical condition who ends up paying for her hospital bill which will now be through the roof? Does not anyone see these signs as something that needs immediate attention? This is turning out it seems to be a trend or the "in" thing to do now? Dear Lord please look after those that were hurt no matter what condition they may be in at the school shooting in Colorado today. Please give some wisdom and knowledge to those in authority to take care of this situation to make it sure it doesn't happen anymore. Let there be prayers answered for this situation if any are given to you to handle that may be of a happy ending. Let there not be more broken families sitting in sorrow and suffering if they don't believe in you that you will provide them to show that you really are the one and only Lord Jesus Christ full of mercy and love. This I pray Amen.
    1 point
  3. God is in control.He has perfect timing.I will stick with that.
    1 point
  4. I believe we will be diminished but don't ever count us out. We're stronger than many believe, including many right here on this soil. I for one won't be heartbroken when other countries have to step up. I'm tired of my country being the world's policeman and fighting other people's wars. It's not like we have earned any gratitude for it anyway. It's inevitable, God will arrange things as He wants them, and we just have to trust Him.
    1 point
  5. Yep. Yet another gub'min't over reach, or if you prefer: more of the Nanny State. Hmm . . . Black market light bulbs anyone?
    1 point
  6. Hmmm.. Ok So you were once a Believer, then somewhere down the track you disbelieved but still have a soft spot for some parts. We know Jesus was quoting the 2nd part of the greatest commandment of loving The Lord God with all your mind heart and strength/soul. Treating someone as we would like to be treated sounds simple but it's extremely hard at times, because their are moments in ALL people, where one feels another doesn't deserve it - I'm glad you have a soft spot for some of the Bible but picking and choosing and trying to fix what ain't broke doesn't work. It's a case of the opposite rather - I read it, study it, and realise I need the fixing.
    1 point
  7. This country as well as the rest of the world are becoming more wicked by the day. But there is one thing that no one can take from us. Our faith. In a world of chaos and evil we can still be truly happy. We are in good hands.
    1 point
  8. 1 point
  9. Praise the Lord!! God is soooo AWESOME!!! To turn the islam youth to Christianity is a miracle. Praise God!! The gospel continues to go out to the world!!
    1 point
  10. Shalom, AFlameOfFire. Don't make the mistake that so many others do. Matthew 16:28 is fulfilled in the very next chapter (or the following account): Matthew 16:24-17:13 24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. 7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. 9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. 10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? 11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. 12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. KJV Here are the companion passages in the other synoptic Gospels: Mark 9:1-13 1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. 2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. 3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. 4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. 5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. 7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves. 9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead. 10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean. 11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come? 12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. 13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him. KJV Luke 9:23-36 23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. 24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. 25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away? 26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels. 27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. 28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. 29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. 30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. 33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said. 34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud. 35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 36 And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen. KJV Thus, the reason why Yeshua` said that there were some standing there that would not see death until they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom or until they have seen the kingdom of God come with power or until they see the kingdom of God is because Peter, James and John DID see the Son of man coming in His Kingdom, the Kingdom of God, with power when Yeshua` was transfigured and they saw the vision of His Reign. Now, regarding Matthew 26:64, ALWAYS read a verse within its context, even if just a few verses before it or after it. One must understand the context in which a thing was said: Matthew 26:62-64 62 And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee? 63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee (I COMMAND you or I ORDER you) by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One), the Son of God. 64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. KJV Notice: First, he is talking to the Cohen haGadol, the High Priest, of Isra'el, who therefore must be of the tribe of Leviy (pronounced "LAY-vee," btw). Notice: He did NOT say how soon "hereafter" they would see Him so come; so, it is wrong to assume that it would be within their natural lifetime. Just the same, if one believes in a physical resurrection, as is so often promised in the Scriptures, these two events will happen AFTER their resurrection! So, sometime in the future, they would... 1) See the Son of man sitting on the right hand (or "in the exalted position") of power, and 2) (See the Son of man) coming in the clouds of heaven (the sky). Thus, BOTH of these events are AFTER the resurrection when Yeshua` is about to begin His reign! Regarding Luke 22:29, ALWAYS check the surrounding context! Luke 22:13-30 13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. 14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. 15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: 16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. 17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: 18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. 19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. 21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table. 22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed! 23 And they began to inquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing. 24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest. 25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. 27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth. 28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. 29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; 30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. KJV It is yet at a FUTURE time that His Kingdom will arrive! Just as Yeshua` left this earth and rose into the sky and did not sit on His throne to reign at that time, so His disciples also did not sit on those thrones judging the twelve tribes of Isra'el at that time! Regarding John 18:36, again, see it within its context: John 18:28-38 28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover. 29 Pilate then went out unto them, and said, What accusation bring ye against this man? 30 They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee. 31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death: 32 That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die. 33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews? 34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me? 35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world (Greek: kosmos): if my kingdom were of this world (Greek: kosmos), then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. 37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. 38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all. KJV NT:2889 kosmos (kos'-mos); probably from the base of NT:2865; orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication, the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally]): KJV - adorning, world. (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.) Another important point is that the word "world" is NOT the same thing as the word "earth," neither in English nor in Greek! In Greek, the word translated "earth" is "gee," spelled gamma-eta, and pronounced "gay." However, the word translated "world" is "kosmos," spelled kappa-omicron-sigma-mu-omicron-stigma. It means the "world-SYSTEM" of government and politics! It speaks specifically and explicitly about the SYSTEM of politics and hierarchical ranks and offices of rulership. Yeshua` (Jesus) was saying that His Kingdom will NOT be based on such a system! His Kingdom would not be based on the Roman system of government nor on the Jewish system of government to which it had devolved at that point in time. So, He was NOT saying that His Kingdom was not of this EARTH; He was saying that His Kingdom would not be from this world's POLITICS AND GOVERNMENT SYSTEMS! His servants DON'T FIGHT! His servants LISTEN TO THE TRUTH! They don't lie and deceive one another; they don't bicker and fight for position; they don't need to worry about their Leader, for when HE reigns, there will be NONE able to resist His rule! Whoever is least among them will be the greatest! Whoever is "greatest" will be the least! Regarding Acts 1:9, again, ALWAYS read a verse in its context: Acts 1:6-12 6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. 9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud (Greek: nefelee) received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven (Greek: eis ton ouranon = into the sky) as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven (Greek: eis ton ouranon = into the sky)? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven (Greek: eis ton ouranon = into the sky) shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven (Greek: eis ton ouranon = into the sky). 12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey. KJV The Greek phrase in verse 9 is "nefelee hupelaben auton apo toon ofthalmoon autoon." It translates directly into "a-cloud took- Him -from-below away-from their sight." So, despite what others may think or say, the cloud hid Him from their view, from their field of vision! They watched Him rise into the sky until He was above the dew point that day. Furthermore, the Greek word "ouranos" means "the sky": Matthew 16:1-4 1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven (Greek: ouranos). 2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky (Greek: ouranos) is red. 3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky (Greek: ouranos) is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky (Greek: ouranos); but can ye not discern the signs of the times? 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. KJV Now, think for a moment: What if all you knew was Greek? If you saw the same word in verse 1 that you saw in verses 2 and 3, would you think there was any difference? Of course not! So, if verses 2 and 3 are talking about the WEATHER, should verse 1 be thought to be something other than the sky?! Regarding Acts 7:55-56, let's again look at the surrounding context: Acts 7:48-60 48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, 49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? 50 Hath not my hand made all these things? 51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. 54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven (Greek: eis ton ouranon = into the sky), and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened (Greek: theooroo tous ouranous dieevoigmenous = I-see the skies opening-up-all-the-way-through), and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul. 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. KJV There's no mention AT ALL of Him sitting on a throne OR reigning, in this passage! He is merely STANDING (not sitting) in the place of honor beside Elohiym! Finally, let's look at the book to the Hebrews: Hebrews 1:1-2:10 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand (the place of honor) of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? (Psalm 2:7) And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? (2 Samuel 7:14; 1 Chronicles 22:10; 28:6; Psalm 89:26-27) 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. (Psalm 97:7) 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. (Psalm 104:4) 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (Psalm 45:6-7) 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. (Psalm 102:25-27) 13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? (Psalm 110:1) 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? 2:1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. 2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; 3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? 5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. 6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. (Psalm 8:4-6) For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned (Greek: estefanoomenon = adorned with an honorary victor's wreath) with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. KJV Thus, He is NOT YET CROWNED AS KING (unless you want to count the stefanos or "crown" or "victor's wreath" of thorns) nor has He or His Kingdom arrived! Finally, regarding Hebrews 8:1 - yep, you guessed it - let's look at the context: Hebrews 7:23-8:3 23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24 But this man (Yeshua`), because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. 28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son (an high priest), who is consecrated for evermore. 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand (a position of honor) of the throne of the Majesty (God, the Father) in the heavens (the skies); 2 A minister (servant) of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man (Yeshua`) have somewhat also to offer. KJV Thus, this passage is more talking about Yeshua` as the great High Priest after the order of Malkhiy-Tsedeq (Melchizedek) than it is about Him being King!
    1 point
  11. You are absolutely right, pulling a verse out of its context is FAR too common place. It is one reason why we have so many different denominations today; the leaders don't understand the intent of the author, and often that is because the verse is not left in its context. I find the first seal so often out of its context, and of course misunderstood. Ha ha! Surely you know that the Catholic church uses this verse as one of their anchors: Peter being the first pope! I doubt if Peter was ever in Rome. Did you know they believe strongly that they have found Peter's burial in Jerusalem? However, the word church there, that God will build His church upon the rock of "revelation knowledge." Here, I must disagree with you in the Author's intent. Notice, this very same Greek word is used here: Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. 1Cr 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: In the second example, it of course is referring to the Gentile church at Corinth. The (mostly Gentile) church as contined unstopped for all these centuries, still founded on the revealed knowledge of the Word of God. Lamad You're right about the "Roman Catholic Church"; it's important in our day and age that talks so favorably about a "universal body of Christ" to remember that "Catholic" MEANS "universal!" The "Roman Catholic Church" is the "Rome-based Universal Church!" However, it is also important to remember that a "church" (Greek: ekkleesia = "called-out") is simply a "congregation" of people, a "group" of people, an "assemblage" of people. The word "church" (which itself comes from the Greek word "kuriokos" meaning "of the Lord") is simply a collective "noun" (actually, it's a participle, like our gerund), like "flock," "school," and "herd." If we keep its definition simple and generic, it doesn't have to "live up to" the detailed definitions some give for the "church," and it will fit more of actual places that the word is used in Scripture. It's not a "Gentile" church nor a "Jewish" church; it's just a group of people.
    1 point
  12. Shalom, Lamad. What makes you think that these things didn't happen on this "missions trip?" Not everything that happened during Yeshua`s "ministry" was written down! Consider John's words at the end of His book: John 21:20-25 20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? 21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? 22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. 23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? 24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. 25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. KJV In fact, if Yeshua` said that they would happen, they probably DID happen! I mean, wouldn't it be highly possible that a town's people, disbelieving that Yeshua` was the Messiah, would have His announcers flogged in the synagogue? You can make your assumption that these words are about the future. I'm going to assume that Yeshua` knew what He was talking about when He sent them out as "sheep among wolves!" It is well known to us today that many Old Testament prophecies divided in the middle of a verse from short term prophecy to long term prophecy: Isa. 61 1: “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me, Because the Lord has anointed Me To preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to those who are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, And the day of vengeance of our God; To comfort all who mourn, Jesus stopped quoting at the end of the blue text, yet the quoted verse kept on. WHY did Jesus stop in the middle of a verse? It is very simple: the next phrase, about the Day of Bengeance, would be 2000 years into the future in fulfillment, compared to what Jesus read, which was fulfilled as Jesus read it. This is only one example. Since this was already a president in scripture, I believe this same precident carried over into the New Testament, expecially in the gospels, which was Jesus operating as a prophet under the OLD covenant. If Jesus prophesied it, OF COURSE it will happen, or did happen. But in this case, it did NOT happen. It would have been written had it happened, but they returned very happy that demonic spirits were cast out. Retrobyter, don't be blind to future prophecy: there is MUCH prophecies that is yet to be fulfilled. Revelation 8 though 16, the 70th week of Daniel, is still in our future. The 6th seal, the signs for the Day of the Lord, is still in our future. The sealing of the 144,000 is still in our future. The pretrib rapture of the church is still in our future. All these things have been written and will certainly come to pass. Therefore, don't get so deep into history that you miss what is prophecy of our future. Lamad Yes, I know that Yeshua` even divided some of those prophecies, such as in Luke 4:18-19 where He quoted these verses from Isaiah 61:1-2a; I'm not blind to it, bro'. However, I am also not blind to the way that modern Christians will camp on a word or a phrase as a label, title, nomenclature, or a tag and RIP it from its context as though it belonged to the future when it was perfectly fine where it was! The Gospels are often VERY misunderstood, particularly when certain "holy words" are used. For instance, how often have you heard people misuse quotations from the Gospel when the authors used the word "church"? The word "church" is a word that the original translators into English used to translate the word "ekkleesia." However, that is NOT what it means in the Gospels! It means the assembled children of Isra'el in the Land! Here's the two examples: Matthew 16:17-20 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. KJV Matthew 18:15-20 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. 18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. KJV Has it even dawned upon the Christian's mind that the "church" as it is defined today wasn't even in existence then?! Here's another example of how the word "church" was used: Check out Stephen's "sermon" in Acts 7: Acts 7:37-40 37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. 38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: 39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt, 40 Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him. KJV This is talking about the congregation of the children of Isra'el in the wilderness. And, I believe that is how Yeshua` meant it as well. In any case, be careful about pushing Yeshua`s words off into the future. He was often in the process of offering the Kingdom to Isra'el, particularly before the rulers were able to convince the people to reject Him.
    1 point
  13. Shalom, Lamad. Gary is right about Matthew 16:27-28 referring to Matthew 17:1-13. Remember, chapter divisions in the Bible are NOT inspired, and they're fairly arbitrary, although some translators tried to keep verse and chapter divisions fairly, logically organized. Consider also the other Synoptic Gospels, as well. They all three have this account: Mark 9:1-13 1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. 2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. 3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. 4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. 5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. 7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves. 9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead. 10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean. 11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come? 12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. 13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him. KJV Luke 9:27-36 27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. 28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. 29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. 30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. 33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said. 34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud. 35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 36 And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen. KJV This vision is indeed a FORETASTE of the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom, but it was just a vision, as Gary noted, not the actual event which is still in the future. Now, regarding Matthew 10:23, this is hard for most Christians to understand UNTIL, that is, the light dawns upon them! Remember, Yeshua` was BORN KING OF THE JEWS. His lineage in Matthew 1 is designed specifically to confirm His claim and legitimacy to the throne of David, and many things happened during His "ministry" (actually, during His OFFER OF THE KINGDOM TO Y'HUDAH) that cannot be understood apart from this perspective. His forerunner and herald, Yochanan the Immerser (John the Baptist), proclaims Him as the Messiah of God, and even the very miracles He performed in God's power were to authenticate His claims and His message, the gospel of the Kingdom. That's a focus on the "KINGDOM," not on the word "gospel." All "gospel" means is "good news." It is the "good news about the Kingdom!" And, what is that "good news?" Isaiah 52:7 7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth! KJV Thus, this is the true "gospel" that both Yeshua` and His herald proclaimed! Based on this information, His focus was to provide a legitimate offer of the Kingdom to Y'hudah (Judah) and to Isra'el. Now, see how this played out when Yeshua` sent out His disciples in Matthew 10: Matthew 10:1-23 1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach (herald), saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand (within your grasp). 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. 9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, 10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. 11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. 12 And when ye come into an house, salute it. 13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. KJV Thus, this is NOT even close to being similar to the Great Commission. Their mission here, DURING OUR LORD'S OFFER OF THE KINGDOM, was ONLY to the "lost sheep of the house of Isra'el." What Yeshua` was saying was that He would be following them as they went from town to town, heralding the coming of the King, and that they wouldn't have covered all the towns of Isra'el before the Son of Man caught up to them! This passage was ONLY for that time period in His "ministry" and is NOT for the time after His death and resurrection! Could it be that these verses have a second meaning, or that Jesus jumped 2000 years in the middle of a verse, and began speaking of the 144,000 witnessing in Israel during the first half of the 70th week? Lamad Not very likely or there would be confusion in their understanding of His words. Where would you find such a break in time? Which verse would you break? Why? No, the simplest explanation of the verses is usually the best. Yeshua` was offering Isra'el Himself as their King. His disciples were trained and empowered to replace Yochanan the Immerser as His forerunners. They were to be His emissaries to all the communities within the Land, and their original mission was to the children of Isra'el, particularly the Jews, just as Yeshua`s mission was. It wasn't until AFTER His final rejection that first Kefa (Peter) and then Sha'uwl (Paul) went to the Goyim or Gentiles. In your scenario then, Jesus prophecy never came to pass, and never will. I find that impossible. Do you remember the verse Jesus quoted, that He was anointed preach the gospel to the poor, recovering of sight to the blind, etc, I think it is in Luke 4. Jesus stopped quoting in the middle of a verse, because after He quoted it, then He told them that what He has quoted was fulfilled at that moment in time. They took up stones to kill Him for saying it. But my point is, if He could not have quoted the very next phrase, because that part is still in our future! So in one verse, there is a division of time of around 2000 years! Lamad No! Not at all! Yeshua`s "prophecy" DID come true DURING THE 3.5 YEARS OF HIS "MINISTRY" in the early part of the first century! Do you think He was idle, just letting all the people come to Him? NO! He was ITINERATE! He went from town to town, following His announcers! They were to announce the coming of the Messiah, and then He would arrive! He performed miracles because that was GOD'S endorsement of His claim for being the Messiah, His claim of being their King! And, this wasn't the ONLY time He sent out His announcers! The problem is that modern Christians, unaware of Yeshua`s mission to present Himself as Isra'el's King and unaware of its importance, have both a wrong impression of what the Messiah's mission was and of how He was to fulfill that mission. Because of those misconceptions, modern Christians will OFTEN misread something in the Gospels, attempting to apply what was written to today's belief-system, today's paradigm of the Faith, when it didn't have ANYTHING to do with it at all! Today's modern Christians will therefore get a nebulous, vague, universal approach to what was said in the Gospels, when what was REALLY going on was specific, concrete, and particular to the events of that month or week or even day! However, if one will choose to read the Scriptures, not for support in what he or she believes, but for new information WITH AN OPEN MIND, he or she will begin to see what was actually going on during our Lord's time here on earth. Read the Scriptures with a FRESH APPROACH, and read them for UNDERSTANDING! In a relaxed way but in a HUNGRY way, read them to get something OUT of them! One should not IMPOSE his or her belief-system on what the Scriptures say, attempting to FORCE the Scriptures to say what he or she WANTS them to say or what he or she THINKS they should say or what he or she WISHES they had said! Just to re-emphasize Yeshua`s point in this commission to His announcers on that day for that mission, remember how He concluded: "Ye shall not have gone over the cities OF ISRAEL, till the Son of man be come." What are you saying? VERY LITTLE of what Jesus prophecied came to pass in their generation. In Matt. 24, nothing from the verse of the abomination on to the end of the chapter, or chapter 25 has come to pass. Much of that is for the future period of time called the 70th week of Daniel. No part of the 70th week has come to pass. I know some think the first half is finished, but they are mistaken. The entire 2520 days are still in our future, but very near future. This may be where we will find our biggest disagreement. Lamad What am I saying?! What are YOU saying? "VERY LITTLE of what Jesus prophesied came to pass in their generation"? WHO SAYS?! Just because you don't understand HOW they could be fulfilled doesn't mean that they weren't fulfilled, and the things written in Matthew 10 WERE fulfilled! Besides, I'm not talking about Matthew 24; I'm talking about Matthew 10! Some of Matthew 24 WAS predicted about a future far enough distant that it is yet future to us, but that doesn't apply to Matthew 10! Again, don't confuse the Seventieth Seven of Dani'el 9:27 with the Tribulation predicted by Yeshua` in Matthew 24! They are NOT THE SAME! Learn the REASON for the Seventieth Seven, indeed for all the Seventy Sevens! When one learns the REASON for this time period, one will come to understand that there's not even an overlapping of the two! Yeshua` HIMSELF separated the first half of the Seventieth Seven from the second half when He left the Jews DESOLATE in Matthew 23:38. HE put the "gap" between the two halves of the Seventieth Seven, and that "gap" is called the "Tribulation" by Yeshua` in Matthew 24. Thus, the halves of the Seventieth Seven are like the "BOOKENDS" surrounding the long shelf of books called the "Tribulation." Like this: (1/2 of Seventieth Seven) (T-R-I-B-U-L-A-T-I-O-N) (1/2 of Seventieth Seven) And, the first half of the Seventieth Seven was when Yeshua` came the first time and offered the Kingdom during the 3.5 years of His earthly "ministry." The second half will not happen until the Messiah returns and again offers the Kingdom to Isra'el, particularly to the Jews. OK, Mat. 10 22 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. 23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes. Did you notice (or just choose to ignore) "he who endures to the END will be saved?" Matthew 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. Mark 13:13 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. What happened in 70 AD or even in 32 AD was not "the end." In all of these scriptures, Jesus was speaking of the end of this age, which will be just before the 1000 year reign of Christ. So in this part of Mat. 10 HE WAS speaking of the end. How many ends do you see? I want to cut a pie - a whole pie, never been cut. I have been told my the head chef to cut in only ONCE (one slice of the knife) into exactly two halves. (Are you pictureing this?) So I get the knife and carefully cut the entire pie into two halves. This is the TRUE scenario. Now let's try your scenario. Again I am told by the head chef to cut the uncut pie into two exact halves. But what I don't know, and the head chef does not know, the cooks wanted some pie and they took half of the pie! So when I get the pie out, half of it is GONE! But the head chef told me to cut the pie in half, so I carefully cut the half of the pie that is left into two equal parts, which are now quarters. 7 years times 360 days per year equals 2520 days. (first pie, first scenario) If I cut it in half, I have two halves, 1260 days each. I have truely divided the pie into half. We read 1260 days in Rev. 11 (two witnesses) and Rev 12, the woman fleeing. This is the true scenario. Now if I cut 2520 into half in 32 AD and proceed 2000 years into the future, I have only 1260 days left to play with. But what is left must be divided into two halves by an event (the knife). IF I divided 1260 (what is left of the pie after half is eaten) I end up with 630 days. This is your scenario. It is impossible to cut a whole pie into two halves when half the pie is gone! The event that cuts the pie, (the knife) is the abomination. Logic demands that the whole pie MUST be present at the same to for it to be cut into two halves. In your scenario, that is impossible. You have destroyed Daniel 9:27 with your theory. Dan 9 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.” Note carefully, "in the middle of the week." It is impossible to arrive at the middle of the week, if half of it disappeared 2000 years previous to this time! No, the ONLY way this verse is true, is if the entire week is in our future, so the abomination can cut this week into two halves. If you understood The chronology of Revelation, you would KNOW that the exact midpoint comes in chapter 11, and is marked by the 7th trumpet. The first half then, is very plain to see: it goes from the 7th seal to the 7th trumpet. It goes from chapter 8 to chapter 11. What do we read in those chapters? We read of the first 6 trumpet judgments. They will come in the first half of the week. They have not happened yet. They are still future. So your theory is false. It does not fit the scriptures. You should discard it and start over. Revelation is the latest and greatest of the end times writing, and contains the most complete thesis of what is to come. You should start there to form your end times doctrine. HOW are they fulfilled? How accurate did Daniel tell us about the Medo-persian empire that would destroy Babylon, and Alexander the Great who would destroy the Medo-persian empire, and Rome who would destroy the Grecian empire? Looking back, we see that it was written very clearly and came to pass exactly as Daniel wrote. Why should we expect anything less in the prophecies of Revelation? It is ignorance gone to seed to imagine (as Preterists do) that all of Revelation is fulfilled. I cannot imagine what thougths they think to come up with their theory, but they must spiritualize every verse, or ignore every verse. The correct endtime doctrine will fit perfectly with every end time scripture, for it will be truth. I don't know exactly what it means for a star to fall to the earth, and turns 1/3 of the fresh water to blood. What I do know is, NOTHING like this has ever happened. It is therefore future. Of course Jesus was itinerate, but what has that to do with our disagreements? Again, don't confuse the Seventieth Seven of Dani'el 9:27 with the Tribulation predicted by Yeshua` in Matthew 24! They are NOT THE SAME! Making a statement like this shows that you know very little about the book of Revelation! What begins the days of great tribulation that Jesus spoke of? Did you so easily forget? Jesus said, "Therefore, when you see the abomination......FLEE" That event, the abomination, will be the TRIGGER for days of great tribulation. But they will get worse when the image is erected and the mark enforced, and people forced to worship. But it is the abomination that divides the week, so your theory is only that, a myth based on human reasoning, not scripture. The days of great tribulation spoken of by Jesus will be INSIDE the last half of the 70th week. Lamad The phrase used in Matthew 10:22 is fairly commonplace in Greek. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. The phrase "ho (de) hupomeinas eis telos houtos sootheesetai" is not talking about THE END of it all, nor is it talking about the end of the age! It's just talking about the end of the current project, whatever that project may be. Literally, it translates to "... (but) the one-who-survives into a-conclusion that-one shall-be-rescued." In Matthew 10:22 IN CONTEXT, He is talking about the MISSION on which He was sending His talmidyim - His disciples - His announcers! Maybe another version can help one see the reality of what was going on DURING Yeshua`s first advent when He was offering the Kingdom to Isra'el: Mattityahu 10:1-11:1 10:1 Yeshua called his twelve talmidim and gave them authority to drive out unclean spirits and to heal every kind of disease and weakness. 2 These are the names of the twelve emissaries: First, Shim‘on, called Kefa, and Andrew his brother, Ya‘akov Ben-Zavdai and Yochanan his brother, 3 Philip and Bar-Talmai, T’oma and Mattityahu the tax-collector, Ya‘akov Bar-Halfai and Taddai, 4 Shim‘on the Zealot, and Y’hudah from K’riot, who betrayed him. 5 These twelve Yeshua sent out with the following instructions: “Don’t go into the territory of the Goyim, and don’t enter any town in Shomron, 6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Isra’el. 7 As you go, proclaim, ‘The Kingdom of Heaven is near,’ 8 heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those afflicted with tzara’at, expel demons. You have received without paying, so give without asking payment. 9 Don’t take money in your belts, no gold, no silver, no copper; 10 and for the trip don’t take a pack, an extra shirt, shoes or a walking stick — a worker should be given what he needs. 11 “When you come to a town or village, look for someone trustworthy and stay with him until you leave. 12 When you enter someone’s household, say, ‘Shalom aleikhem!’ 13 If the home deserves it, let your shalom rest on it; if not, let your shalom return to you. 14 But if the people of a house or town will not welcome you or listen to you, leave it and shake its dust from your feet! 15 Yes, I tell you, it will be more tolerable on the Day of Judgment for the people of S’dom and ‘Amora than for that town! 16 “Pay attention! I am sending you out like sheep among wolves, so be as prudent as snakes and as harmless as doves. 17 Be on guard, for there will be people who will hand you over to the local Sanhedrins and flog you in their synagogues. 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as a testimony to them and to the Goyim. 19 But when they bring you to trial, do not worry about what to say or how to say it; when the time comes, you will be given what you should say. 20 For it will not be just you speaking, but the Spirit of your heavenly Father speaking through you. 21 “A brother will betray his brother to death, and a father his child; children will turn against their parents and have them put to death. 22 Everyone will hate you because of me, but whoever holds out till the end will be preserved from harm. 23 When you are persecuted in one town, run away to another. Yes indeed; I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Isra’el before the Son of Man comes. 24 “A talmid is not greater than his rabbi, a slave is not greater than his master. 25 It is enough for a talmid that he become like his rabbi, and a slave like his master. Now if people have called the head of the house Ba‘al-Zibbul, how much more will they malign the members of his household! 26 So do not fear them; for there is nothing covered that will not be uncovered, or hidden that will not be known. 27 What I tell you in the dark, speak in the light; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim on the housetops. 28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are powerless to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Gei-Hinnom. 29 Aren’t sparrows sold for next to nothing, two for an assarion? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground without your Father’s consent. 30 As for you, every hair on your head has been counted. 31 So do not be afraid, you are worth more than many sparrows. 32 “Whoever acknowledges me in the presence of others I will also acknowledge in the presence of my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others I will disown before my Father in heaven. 34 “Don’t suppose that I have come to bring peace to the Land. It is not peace I have come to bring, but a sword! 35 For I have come to set 36 a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, so that a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household. (Micah 7:6) 37 Whoever loves his father or mother more than he loves me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than he loves me is not worthy of me. 38 And anyone who does not take up his execution-stake and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his own life will lose it, but the person who loses his life for my sake will find it. 40 “Whoever receives you is receiving me, and whoever receives me is receiving the One who sent me. 41 Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive the reward a prophet gets, and anyone who receives a tzaddik because he is a tzaddik will receive the reward a tzaddik gets. 42 Indeed, if someone gives just a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my talmid — yes! — I tell you, he will certainly not lose his reward!” 11:1 After Yeshua had finished instructing the twelve talmidim, he went on from there to teach and preach in the towns nearby. CJB Look at how it begins and how it ends! Everything else in the middle is about His instructions to His talmidiym (His students or disciples) FOR THAT MISSION!!! If you want to carry that attitude into the present for OUR future, you do so PURELY BY APPLICATION!
    1 point
  14. Shabbat shalom, Lamad. Gary is right about Matthew 16:27-28 referring to Matthew 17:1-13. Remember, chapter divisions in the Bible are NOT inspired, and they're fairly arbitrary, although some translators tried to keep verse and chapter divisions fairly, logically organized. Consider also the other Synoptic Gospels, as well. They all three have this account: Mark 9:1-13 1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. 2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. 3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. 4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. 5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. 7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves. 9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead. 10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean. 11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come? 12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. 13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him. KJV Luke 9:27-36 27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. 28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. 29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. 30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. 33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said. 34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud. 35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 36 And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen. KJV This vision is indeed a FORETASTE of the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom, but it was just a vision, as Gary noted, not the actual event which is still in the future. Now, regarding Matthew 10:23, this is hard for most Christians to understand UNTIL, that is, the light dawns upon them! Remember, Yeshua` was BORN KING OF THE JEWS. His lineage in Matthew 1 is designed specifically to confirm His claim and legitimacy to the throne of David, and many things happened during His "ministry" (actually, during His OFFER OF THE KINGDOM TO Y'HUDAH) that cannot be understood apart from this perspective. His forerunner and herald, Yochanan the Immerser (John the Baptist), proclaims Him as the Messiah of God, and even the very miracles He performed in God's power were to authenticate His claims and His message, the gospel of the Kingdom. That's a focus on the "KINGDOM," not on the word "gospel." All "gospel" means is "good news." It is the "good news about the Kingdom!" And, what is that "good news?" Isaiah 52:7 7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth! KJV Thus, this is the true "gospel" that both Yeshua` and His herald proclaimed! Based on this information, His focus was to provide a legitimate offer of the Kingdom to Y'hudah (Judah) and to Isra'el. Now, see how this played out when Yeshua` sent out His disciples in Matthew 10: Matthew 10:1-23 1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach (herald), saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand (within your grasp). 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. 9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, 10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. 11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. 12 And when ye come into an house, salute it. 13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. KJV Thus, this is NOT even close to being similar to the Great Commission. Their mission here, DURING OUR LORD'S OFFER OF THE KINGDOM, was ONLY to the "lost sheep of the house of Isra'el." What Yeshua` was saying was that He would be following them as they went from town to town, heralding the coming of the King, and that they wouldn't have covered all the towns of Isra'el before the Son of Man caught up to them! This passage was ONLY for that time period in His "ministry" and is NOT for the time after His death and resurrection! Could it be that these verses have a second meaning, or that Jesus jumped 2000 years in the middle of a verse, and began speaking of the 144,000 witnessing in Israel during the first half of the 70th week? Lamad Not very likely or there would be confusion in their understanding of His words. Where would you find such a break in time? Which verse would you break? Why? No, the simplest explanation of the verses is usually the best. Yeshua` was offering Isra'el Himself as their King. His disciples were trained and empowered to replace Yochanan the Immerser as His forerunners. They were to be His emissaries to all the communities within the Land, and their original mission was to the children of Isra'el, particularly the Jews, just as Yeshua`s mission was. It wasn't until AFTER His final rejection that first Kefa (Peter) and then Sha'uwl (Paul) went to the Goyim or Gentiles. In your scenario then, Jesus prophecy never came to pass, and never will. I find that impossible. Do you remember the verse Jesus quoted, that He was anointed preach the gospel to the poor, recovering of sight to the blind, etc, I think it is in Luke 4. Jesus stopped quoting in the middle of a verse, because after He quoted it, then He told them that what He has quoted was fulfilled at that moment in time. They took up stones to kill Him for saying it. But my point is, if He could not have quoted the very next phrase, because that part is still in our future! So in one verse, there is a division of time of around 2000 years! Lamad No! Not at all! Yeshua`s "prophecy" DID come true DURING THE 3.5 YEARS OF HIS "MINISTRY" in the early part of the first century! Do you think He was idle, just letting all the people come to Him? NO! He was ITINERATE! He went from town to town, following His announcers! They were to announce the coming of the Messiah, and then He would arrive! He performed miracles because that was GOD'S endorsement of His claim for being the Messiah, His claim of being their King! And, this wasn't the ONLY time He sent out His announcers! The problem is that modern Christians, unaware of Yeshua`s mission to present Himself as Isra'el's King and unaware of its importance, have both a wrong impression of what the Messiah's mission was and of how He was to fulfill that mission. Because of those misconceptions, modern Christians will OFTEN misread something in the Gospels, attempting to apply what was written to today's belief-system, today's paradigm of the Faith, when it didn't have ANYTHING to do with it at all! Today's modern Christians will therefore get a nebulous, vague, universal approach to what was said in the Gospels, when what was REALLY going on was specific, concrete, and particular to the events of that month or week or even day! However, if one will choose to read the Scriptures, not for support in what he or she believes, but for new information WITH AN OPEN MIND, he or she will begin to see what was actually going on during our Lord's time here on earth. Read the Scriptures with a FRESH APPROACH, and read them for UNDERSTANDING! In a relaxed way but in a HUNGRY way, read them to get something OUT of them! One should not IMPOSE his or her belief-system on what the Scriptures say, attempting to FORCE the Scriptures to say what he or she WANTS them to say or what he or she THINKS they should say or what he or she WISHES they had said! Just to re-emphasize Yeshua`s point in this commission to His announcers on that day for that mission, remember how He concluded: "Ye shall not have gone over the cities OF ISRAEL, till the Son of man be come."
    1 point
  15. Shalom, Lamad. Gary is right about Matthew 16:27-28 referring to Matthew 17:1-13. Remember, chapter divisions in the Bible are NOT inspired, and they're fairly arbitrary, although some translators tried to keep verse and chapter divisions fairly, logically organized. Consider also the other Synoptic Gospels, as well. They all three have this account: Mark 9:1-13 1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. 2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. 3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. 4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. 5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. 7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves. 9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead. 10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean. 11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come? 12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. 13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him. KJV Luke 9:27-36 27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. 28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. 29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. 30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. 33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said. 34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud. 35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 36 And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen. KJV This vision is indeed a FORETASTE of the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom, but it was just a vision, as Gary noted, not the actual event which is still in the future. Now, regarding Matthew 10:23, this is hard for most Christians to understand UNTIL, that is, the light dawns upon them! Remember, Yeshua` was BORN KING OF THE JEWS. His lineage in Matthew 1 is designed specifically to confirm His claim and legitimacy to the throne of David, and many things happened during His "ministry" (actually, during His OFFER OF THE KINGDOM TO Y'HUDAH) that cannot be understood apart from this perspective. His forerunner and herald, Yochanan the Immerser (John the Baptist), proclaims Him as the Messiah of God, and even the very miracles He performed in God's power were to authenticate His claims and His message, the gospel of the Kingdom. That's a focus on the "KINGDOM," not on the word "gospel." All "gospel" means is "good news." It is the "good news about the Kingdom!" And, what is that "good news?" Isaiah 52:7 7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth! KJV Thus, this is the true "gospel" that both Yeshua` and His herald proclaimed! Based on this information, His focus was to provide a legitimate offer of the Kingdom to Y'hudah (Judah) and to Isra'el. Now, see how this played out when Yeshua` sent out His disciples in Matthew 10: Matthew 10:1-23 1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach (herald), saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand (within your grasp). 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. 9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, 10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. 11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. 12 And when ye come into an house, salute it. 13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. KJV Thus, this is NOT even close to being similar to the Great Commission. Their mission here, DURING OUR LORD'S OFFER OF THE KINGDOM, was ONLY to the "lost sheep of the house of Isra'el." What Yeshua` was saying was that He would be following them as they went from town to town, heralding the coming of the King, and that they wouldn't have covered all the towns of Isra'el before the Son of Man caught up to them! This passage was ONLY for that time period in His "ministry" and is NOT for the time after His death and resurrection! Could it be that these verses have a second meaning, or that Jesus jumped 2000 years in the middle of a verse, and began speaking of the 144,000 witnessing in Israel during the first half of the 70th week? Lamad Not very likely or there would be confusion in their understanding of His words. Where would you find such a break in time? Which verse would you break? Why? No, the simplest explanation of the verses is usually the best. Yeshua` was offering Isra'el Himself as their King. His disciples were trained and empowered to replace Yochanan the Immerser as His forerunners. They were to be His emissaries to all the communities within the Land, and their original mission was to the children of Isra'el, particularly the Jews, just as Yeshua`s mission was. It wasn't until AFTER His final rejection that first Kefa (Peter) and then Sha'uwl (Paul) went to the Goyim or Gentiles.
    1 point
  16. Shalom, 1peterlight. Gary is right about Matthew 16:27-28 referring to Matthew 17:1-13. Remember, chapter divisions in the Bible are NOT inspired, and they're fairly arbitrary, although some translators tried to keep verse and chapter divisions fairly, logically organized. Consider also the other Synoptic Gospels, as well. They all three have this account: Mark 9:1-13 1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. 2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. 3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. 4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. 5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid. 7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves. 9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead. 10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean. 11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come? 12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. 13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him. KJV Luke 9:27-36 27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. 28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. 29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. 30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. 33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said. 34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud. 35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 36 And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen. KJV This vision is indeed a FORETASTE of the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom, but it was just a vision, as Gary noted, not the actual event which is still in the future. Now, regarding Matthew 10:23, this is hard for most Christians to understand UNTIL, that is, the light dawns upon them! Remember, Yeshua` was BORN KING OF THE JEWS. His lineage in Matthew 1 is designed specifically to confirm His claim and legitimacy to the throne of David, and many things happened during His "ministry" (actually, during His OFFER OF THE KINGDOM TO Y'HUDAH) that cannot be understood apart from this perspective. His forerunner and herald, Yochanan the Immerser (John the Baptist), proclaims Him as the Messiah of God, and even the very miracles He performed in God's power were to authenticate His claims and His message, the gospel of the Kingdom. That's a focus on the "KINGDOM," not on the word "gospel." All "gospel" means is "good news." It is the "good news about the Kingdom!" And, what is that "good news?" Isaiah 52:7 7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth! KJV Thus, this is the true "gospel" that both Yeshua` and His herald proclaimed! Based on this information, His focus was to provide a legitimate offer of the Kingdom to Y'hudah (Judah) and to Isra'el. Now, see how this played out when Yeshua` sent out His disciples in Matthew 10: Matthew 10:1-23 1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach (herald), saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand (within your grasp). 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. 9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, 10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. 11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. 12 And when ye come into an house, salute it. 13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. KJV Thus, this is NOT even close to being similar to the Great Commission. Their mission here, DURING OUR LORD'S OFFER OF THE KINGDOM, was ONLY to the "lost sheep of the house of Isra'el." What Yeshua` was saying was that He would be following them as they went from town to town, heralding the coming of the King, and that they wouldn't have covered all the towns of Isra'el before the Son of Man caught up to them! This passage was ONLY for that time period in His "ministry" and is NOT for the time after His death and resurrection!
    1 point
  17. The Bible says every eye will see Jesus when He returns. Look, he is coming with the clouds," and "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him"; and all peoples on earth "will mourn because of him." So shall it be! Amen." (Revelation 1:7) I have eyes - you have eyes. Did you see Him? I didn't. Be patient, and be at peace. He will come when the time is exactly right.
    1 point
  18. Eve isnt even Eve her name is Chavvah in hebrew meaning life giver cause she is the mother of all living. Cue rainbow, "The more you know."
    1 point
×
×
  • Create New...