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The real issue is whether we should believe lying spirits or whether we should believe the words of the Holy Spirit. Scripture (the KJV) has much to say about "devils" (Gk daimonia) and the Devil (Gk diabolos). There is no hint of their connection with the Nephilim.

Oh, I would have no problem admitting my wife is more important than I..... she is the mother of my children.... God demanded that I love her...... not so that she has to love me..... good women are priceless....

Hebrews 13:16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God. Philippians 2:4 Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. Luke 6:38 Give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.” 1 John 3:17 But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? Matthew 25:35-40 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ ... James 2:14-17 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. Galatians 6:2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. John 15:12 “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

OKAY coming from another topic ,this came up , can God change His mind , if he wanted too, and would He correct something that He believed was not going to work out ? now I am not changing God ,and not saying anything other then we know God, to be faithful and true to all that He tells us , and that the bible is His word ,and we follow it, knowing that Gods ways, are not our ways ,and He created us, so He knows more then we can ever know, and that we depend on Him to provide all our needs, for His word is truth and no one or anything can stand in the way, of what Gods will is, now this is what we want to talk about, our God, is awesome in power, almighty, and His glory no one can imagine, anything he has in store for us, He created all that is , and He holds everything in the palm of His hands, so can God change is mind ? other then what he already promised, for we know He is faithful and just to follow through with what He says, and would God correct something if need correcting, or is He above any correction needed at all, ?. I personally, know that God is able to do all things , our lives and spirits are His ,and if He decided to change any plans other then ,what is already promise, He can, for He is God, and we are sinners saved by grace, and God will always be the one ,and only true God of worship , that we follow, for He is the same yesterday , today and tomorrow, this is my opinion, I am hope I placed this topic in a correct format, with out sounding skeptical, I love God and jesus son of God is our savior. thank you

To “change one’s mind,” in the New Testament means to repent. When the Bible speaks of my repenting or your repenting, it means that we are called to change our minds or our dispositions with respect to sin—that we are to turn away from evil. Repent is loaded with these kinds of connotations, and when we talk about God’s repenting, it somehow suggests that God has to turn away from doing something wicked. But that’s not what is always meant when the Bible uses this word. Using a word like repentance with respect to God raises some problems for us. When the Bible describes God for us, it uses human terms, because the only language God has by which to speak to us about himself is our human language. The theological term for this is anthropomorphic language, which is the use of human forms and structures to describe God. When the Bible talks about God’s feet or the right arm of the Lord, we immediately see that as just a human way of speaking about God. But when we use more abstract terms like repent, then we get all befuddled about it. There’s one sense in which it seems God is changing his mind, and there’s another sense in which the Bible says God never changes his mind because God is omniscient. He knows all things from the beginning, and he is immutable. He is unchanging. There’s no shadow of turning within him. For example, He knows what Moses is going to say to him in Numbers 14 before Moses even opens his mouth to plead for the people. Then after Moses has actually said it, does God suddenly changes his mind? He doesn’t have any more information than he had a moment before. Nothing has changed as far as God’s knowledge or his appraisal of the situation. What in Moses’ words and actions would possibly have provoked God to change his mind? I think that what we have here is the mystery of providence whereby God ordains not only the ends of things that come to pass but also the means. God sets forth principles in the Bible where he gives threats of judgment to motivate his people to repentance. Sometimes he spells out specifically, “But if you repent, I will not carry out the threat.” He doesn’t always add that qualifier, but it’s there. I think this is one of those instances. It was tacitly understood that God threatens judgment upon these people, but if somebody pleads for them in a priestly way, he will give grace rather than justice. I think that’s at the heart of that mystery. Is God confused, stumbling through all the different options—Should I do this? Should I not do that? And does he decide upon one course of action and then think, Well, maybe that’s not such a good idea after all, and change his mind? Obviously God is omniscient; God is all wise. God is eternal in his perspective and in his full knowledge of everything. So we don’t change God’s mind. But prayer changes things. It changes us. And there are times in which God waits for us to ask for things because his plan is that we work with him in the glorious process of bringing his will to pass here on earth. Source.

When I learned how Luther and the reformation had been whitewashed, and how Luther was guilty of very serious and atrocious things, that's when I began to dig deep into history for the truth.

No one really knows. But what we can conclude from Scripture is that the Antichrist will be a renegade Jew who can supernaturally deceive the Jews into believing that he is the true Messiah (since they do not accept Jesus of Nazareth). Antichristos means both (a) in opposition to Christ and (b) in place of Christ. This man will blaspheme God and the Lord Jesus Christ and say to the world "I am Christ and I am God" from within the Temple at Jerusalem (2 Thess 2:1-12). At the same time he will deceive the Muslim world into thinking that he is their Mahdi -- the prophesied Redeemer of Islam (or possible the False Prophet is their Mahdi) and the rest of the world be be so thoroughly dazzled by the supernatural achievements of this man (Satan in human form) that they will all worship him (Rev 13:8).

Ok, I don't see where it was conditional though. He said go tell them in forty days they will be overtaken, right?

An eye for an eye and a tooth agaist a tooth was part of the old Mosaic covenant. Those were the words of God to the prople of Israel . That was a huge rule in their culture, and between them and their God. I hope that I don't read to much into that, it was like that; good for good, obedience for my blessing and security, and my anger and punishment for your disobedience, some times God acted swiftly, and sometimes was waiting. They practice the same in their communities. They stone the sinners the adulterous woman, blasphimy of God. and so on. Repentance won't save them. No sacrifise was available for some situations. If some one accidentally kill one of your relatives, you had the right to find him and kill him on the spot. It was not like Kain, whom God protected, it was exactly the opposite. There was no repentance for many things, for others you must bring a sacrifise to the priest, and no one care if you had repented or not, just pay the price. ( Jesus payed the price for our sins with his own blood). Just don't take a hard line in everything, you read in the old . Nothing is for us. Even thought some they seem to edified. Jesus has new things for us, new way, the old has trouble me a lot in my life and I have payed the price. Better if you don't read it for some time. The mercy of God was coming closer to the World and God had become very merciful to his people, he did not follow his own rules and he gave Mercy to people on his own. ( that was before Christ). At the very beginning, when someone disobey the Sabath, and went out to collect Mana. God kill that person in front of everyone, as an example. No invitation to repentance or any examination whether that person had alzimers or not or whether was disoriented about the days,or with fever, no defence was available and no submissions for punishment, God had Mercy on them later on , he gave them Jonh the Baptist to have forgiveness of sins without the cost of the sacrifise. Jesus himself forgive their sins, without even asking, whether or not they want their sins forgivness and without repentance and confession and sacrifises and water Baptis, amazing !!! Even to the woman of adultery. She said guilty, I am ready for my punishment, But Jesus let her go. See that with Jesus the wages of sins is not death, ( I say that with preservesion not to be taken the wrong way.

This book was offered at the Nuremburg trials by the Nazi's as part of their defense, that if Luther were alive then, he would be there, on trial with them.

That's a theory which some believe, but there is not a shred of Scriptural evidence to back it up. Demons are evil spirits that take possession of either humans or animals. That is what the Bible reveals. They are also the spirits behind all the false gods which men worship as idols as stated in Scripture.

DANIEL TALKS ABOUT THE LAWLESS ONE, OR THE EVIL ONE ,THIS PERSON OR WHAT EVER IT IS, OR WHAT EVER THE SYSTEM IS ? THAT IS ABLE TO CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS ? WHAT TIMES AND LAWS ? THIS WOULD BE A GOOD INDICATOR TO KNOW WHO OR WHAT IS THE ONE DANIEL IS TALKING ABOUT ? DANIELS KNOWLEDGE, OF WHO AND WHAT IS ABLE TO DO THIS, WOULD IT BE THE SAME ONE ,THAT CAUSES THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION AND HIS ARMIES DESTROY THE TEMPLE IN THE LAST DAYS, IS THIS ALL ONE PERSON WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ? OR DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND ARMIES?

Hi Logan, I read through Jonah 3 again. Here's what I get from it, but definitely open to discussion and differing opinions; The question that comes to my mind is, what was God's purpose* in sending Jonah to preach to the people ? I believe He wanted to give them an opportunity to repent, which they did. So, I see it as a warning [ to them ] and opportunity [ for them ] to avoid destruction. * God always has a purpose

Shiloh, can you show me the verses where Jonah was supposed to tel them to repent because I still only see the message from God as in forty days you will be destroyed?

that's sounds great , where is it in the scripture that tells us this ? so I can note it down for my notes, that we are out of here before tribulation starts and wont go through tribulation, that's good to know.

One has to remember that when all of this is happening, God has already sent a "strong delusion" upon those who reject His truth. In other words, people will not be able to discern the lies from the truth, and the whole world will be thoroughly dazzled because their minds are deluded. The AC must be a Jew in order to enter the Jewish Temple at Jerusalem. Not only will he enter the Temple, but from within the precincts of the Temple he will proclaim that he is Christ (Mashiach) and God. Recall that Satan challenged Christ to cast Himself down from the pinnacle of the Temple to prove that He was the Son of God and would not be hurt. Well this man will do some dazzling feats (possibly including that one) to prove to the Jews that he is their Messiah. And they will all believe him because of the strong delusion. After that the Islamic world will also believe him since he will probably point to the False Prophet and say "Behold your Mahdi". Since Satan will use his supernatural powers for the "miracles" done by these men, no one will doubt that they are divine. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (2 Thess 2:9-11).

Yes. True believers will be gone. Many will come to Christ during the Tribulation but whether it will be too late for them, I just don't know.

we all want to get raptured out of here, but is the saints that fall in the hands of the A.C, during the tribulation, a different group of saints or believers, from us?

I just can't see that scenario, Ezra. Not unless the muslims change a LOT by that time. Nor do I believe the A.C. will be a Jew.

I'm saying the Rapture and I pray for it to come.

so by saying that God said, if they don't repent he will destroy them., shows that God is willing to change his mind if needed ? and that he does react to situations, in one way or another , and not all, is set in stone and unchangeable ? I am not understanding this now ?

pray we are out of here ? are you saying like a rapture, or kept safe while he is overcoming the saints.for 42 months , this is the tribulation time, I thought we are here during this, until jesus comes back after the tribulation?

He isn't on the world stage yet because no one has stepped up trying to govern the whole world. I am not sure where he will come from, no one actually knows, but my guess would be Europe. When he is revealed, there will be no doubt among believers but the unbelieving world will buy into his lies. Pray that we are outta here when that time comes.

God did not use Martin Luther; that's sacriledge to even suggest that. Please inform yourself of the truth.

Nothing to do with Kabbalistic Jews. Please read the book; it's free. From VHO.org.................. Few people today realize that Luther wrote 'On the Jews and Their Lies.' (He also wrote such works like "Against the Sabbatarians.") Freethinkers should become aware of the anti-Semitic influence that Luther has brought on the world. His vehement attack on Jews and his powerful influence on the German faithful has brought a new hypothesis to mind: that the Jewish holocaust, and indeed, the eliminationist form of anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany may not have occurred without the influence from Luther's book "On the Jews and Their Lies."

Luther was an evil, vile human being. READ his book 'On the Jews and their lies' published in 1543. It's online for free. Know what you talk about before assuming it's of God.

I still don't see where God told Jonah to tell them to repent or else. His message was simply in forty days you will be destroyed.

In Jonah 3:10 it says 10When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God relented of the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it.

I think He relented, or did not follow through with what " would have been " had they not repented, but I will re-read this as that is a great question that I am not certain of .

If anyone has testimony about this man who died a long time ago, they should probably present it to God. Just my thoughts.

How about instead of going with feelings ... you show where the Bible states one is worth more than the other? If it's not there....then this view would be of the world would it not?

Amen brother, amen !

fulfilment

is he already here? does he come from turkey, rome, or Syria? has he already come on the scene? , or is he still in hiding, or no one really knows?

I don't see it as one gender being elevated over another. I hold the door for all, and see it as an act of kindness.

Daniel's prophecies include the destruction of the 2nd Temple by the Romans in 70 AD (Dan 9:26) as well as the desecration of the 3rd Temple by the Antichrist and the destruction of this Temple through the desolations which come upon Jerusalem (Dan 9:26,27). So the man who changes times and laws is the Antichrist, and those changes will pertain to the Jews in Israel, as well as to the whole world.

No problem. Now, about your question, I found the verse you mentioned in context and this is what it says.................. Daniel 7:24 - 26… 24'As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings. 25'He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. 26But the court will sit for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.… To me that is still speaking of the A.C.

This discussion about Martin Luther reminds us that we are to elevate no man and put him on a pedestal. Luther was undoubtedly a great Protestant Reformer, but he had his flaws. The Reformation was a mighty work of God, but the Reformers had their human failings. We are to read Scripture the way Christ did, not the way Luther or any other man did.

Sorry to digress, are you saying that you don't believe that we are living in the end times????

Was that an essay he wrote or a book? My first reaction to this, news to me, is that he must have come into contact with the Kabbalistic Jews which colluded later on with the Catholic church, and ended up causing the holocaust (betrayal of the Jews in general) in WWII. In which case I would fully side with Luther, since he must have recognized the connection between those who crucified and rejected Christ, and the devil worshipers following and flourishing in the Catholic system. The Bible mentions these types of Jews in prophecy. The Papal system was assisted by apostate Jews, who had rejected Christ. The works of these scum, are apparent all over the world, including retards like Karl Marx, the impetus to communism.

thank you for that advise, M.G

No, but I will run a search on it and post it for you. If you're having trouble seeing I can relate; I had laser eye surgery a year ago because my sight was getting so bad. To get around it press CTRL + at the same time and you can make the text as large as you need and you can press CTRL - to make it smaller again. Makes life a lot easier until you can get glasses or have surgery!

SORRY ITS A HABIT, BECAUSE OF MY BAD EYE SIGHT, I AM WORKING ON IT, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE IT HAPPENS, ITS NOT INTENTIONAL, SO DO YOU KNOW OF WHAT TIMES AND LAWS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT M,G.

All of that is referring to the A.C. SS, can we get away from the all caps thing? We've all talked about this before and no one likes it.

After reading Luther's vile, bigoted book 'The Jews and their lies' I concluded that he was a hateful, evil man who can in no way be called a Christian, regardless of what he did for the faith.

Luther did much good in that he brought the Bible back to the people. He was one of the first to successfully print the Bible in the native tongue of the people. He returned us to salvation by grace through faith, not of works. He also reminded us that the just shall live by his faith. His hearts desire was to bring reform to the Catholic church and bring it back to the Bible as the blueprint for doctrine. Instead he was rejected as a heretic! The wars that followed were bloody and bitter. In his famous hymn, A Might Fortress Is Our God, he shows the bitterness toward the Pope that had crept into his life. I don't know if he ever learned to forgive the grievous injury. Luther was a great student of Augustine, who also was bigoted toward the Jewish peoples. Such hatred is hardly becoming a Christian. But Augustine created the concepts that the Catholic church was now God's chosen people since the Jews had rejected Jesus. He wrote a book called The City of God. To him that meant the Catholic Church in Rome was the spiritual new Jeruselem. Jeruselem in Israel had been leveled and the people were in dispersion. They could not imagine the rebuilding of Israel and the return of Christ to reign tere. Much of traditional protestantism still believes this error. They believe that we are presently living in the end times since Pentecost, that we are presently living in the book of Revelations which is all figurative; that God permanently rejected the Jews for killing Jesus the Messiah. So much of "mainstream" Christianity has not seen the truth of God's love for the Jews, and that He will return so that all Isreal will be saved, then reign there for 1000 years. Romans 11:25-28 NKJV "For I do not desire, brethern, that you should be ignorant of the mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins." Ps 14:7, Is. 59:20,21 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers." Read all of Romans 11. These things are predicted throughout the Old and New Testament prophecies. But this misunderstanding of the Bible since Augustine created tremendous hatred for the Jews which is a black mark on Christians. In Luther's earlier days he had urged tollarance for the Jews. I fear that his bitterness toward the Catholic church may have spread to encompass the Jews in his later life when he wrote the infamous book. Hebrews 12:14-15 NKJV "Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterneess springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;" We Christians will not be perfect in this life, and many have deep flaws. But Jesus was and is perfect is all regards. He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.

~ Today Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 1 John 4:4 And Tomorrow And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. Revelation 20:2-3 And Beloved, Forevermore And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Revelation 20:7-10 Now Beloved, Ain't That A Kick~! And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. Romans 16:20

That demons and people bred, is a speculation, not doctrine. The Book of Enoch, for those unfamiliar with it, is not Bible, and therefore lacks the authority of the Bible. The Book of Enoch (or at least a Book called the Book of Enoch, is quoted by Jude. Same one? who knows. A book written by the Enoch spoken of in the Book of Genesis, would have been written before Noah's flood. I am not aware of any notable scholars who actually think the Book of Enoch that we posses, was authored by the Enoch of the Bible. It is what is referred to as pseudepigrapha, books that are falsely attributed. Scholars beleive the book was likely authored about 300 B.C. maybe up to 350 B.C., but we have no manuscripts that old. However, parts of it were discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls. Regarding the binding or existence of demons in our age among people, I know of no reason to assume (Biblically) that they do not exist to this day. I am no expert, however.

From your cousins in Canada to all of you from the US wherever you may be, may you be blessed by the good things given from our Father's hand.

Happy Thanksgiving to all. May God bless you and keep you.