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Dear Worthy family, May you have a blessed, Happy New Year! My prayer is that we unite as His body and prepare for our Bridegroom, walking in holiness and remaining steadfast and true to the end...thereby bringing more glory to His Name than ever in this upcoming year. Amen? I wrote the following poem for my sisters and brothers in the LORD. A BLESSED NEW YEAR WITH GOD'S GIFT OF A NEW YEAR APPROACHING, I FIND I'M INSPIRED TO SAY HOW GRATEFUL I AM TO THE ONES OUT THERE WHO GIVE COMFORT, ENCOURAGE AND PRAY. PERHAPS YOU WILL NEVER KNOW JUST HOW MUCH YOUR KINDNESS TOUCHES GOD'S FAMILY HERE. SO HOPEFULLY THROUGH THIS SIMPLE POEM I SHALL MAKE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. MY OWN LIFE HAS PERSONALLY BEEN ENRICHED. THAT'S WHY I CAN SPEAK FOR ME. YOU'VE HELPED ME THROUGH SO MANY TRYING TIMES. HERE AT WORTHY'S MINISTRY... YOU HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE MANY FOLKS WHO ARE IN NEED OF MESSIAH'S LOVE. YOU HAVE LED THEM TO THE ONE TRUE WAY. AND HAVE POINTED THEM UP ABOVE. I KNOW I'M NOT HERE POSTING MUCH ANYMORE, ( THOUGH I HOPE IN GOD'S TIMING I WILL ), I'VE HAD A HEART TO FELLOWSHIP WITH YOU BUT BEEN HELD BACK... BEING CHRONICALLY ILL. THANKS FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT ( AND FOR ALL OF YOUR PRAYERS FOR ME, TOO. ) AND IN 2016 I WOULD LOVE TO DO MORE ( INTERCEDE, EDIFY, UPLIFT YOU... ) HAPPY NEW YEAR WORTHY FAMILY... YOU ARE IN MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS. IN 2016 MOST OF ALL LET US SERVE THE SAVIOR WHO FAITHFULLY CARES. WITH MUCH LOVE, TURTLE

The apocryphal books, were always considered to be part of the old testament, filling in that section between where our Old Testament ends, and before Christ begins. Seems to me, if you dont even know THAT much, how can you know the authenticity of the books? And what I am saying is true. And even that aside, you should always, compare any book, that people are claiming as scriptural, to the Bible. If everything lines up with the Bible, ok, even if they arnt Biblical they maybe accurate. But, like River said, the way to tell whether these books are "scripture" or not, is to weigh them against scripture. If the content of the books, are in contradiction to scripture, then they CANNOT be scripture. Scripture is all inspired by God-God would not directly contradict Himself. Some examples: The command to use magic (Tobit 6:5-7) magic is denounced as satanic throughout the Bible, new and old testament. Forgiveness of sins by Almsgiving (Tobit 4:11, 12:9) Almsgiving, was never, EVER part of the forgiveness process-new OR old testament, and is in direct contradiction to both. Offering of money for the sins of the dead. (2 Maccabees 12:43-45) This part is blatantly obvious to ANYONE who has actually studied scripture. this line of thought is popular in many circles, because it is TRUE. No matter of studying can disprove it. However, if you really think Im wrong, please, do try, cite your source. Show me, historically, where anything ive said is false. I Made my assertation-that the apocryphal books are heresy. And Ive backed it up. You said that they were accepted as scripture from day one. You did NOT back that up. In fact, I disproved that. But, if you can actually show some actual empirical proof that your assertation is true, I will throw mine out the window. But its going to take more then "your word" its going to involve some actual, evidence that can be backed up.

The book of enoch was not accepted as canonical in any sense except by certain circles, most of which were cults, for good reason. It was and is, a heretical book. And there is no point in playing what ifs, but rather what it actually says. We can't pick and choose what to believe in it. If we start doing that, then we might as well not believe in it at all, because that is playing God.

die more to my desire and live more toward His....

Nothing, I figure it is just the way God wants it. If He wants to change it, He can, since He has elected not to, it must be good enough. It should be remembered, that it is not always written with the intention, that everyone will always understand everything in it. That is not an accident!

Go to Desiring God and read a lot, where a lot of the focus is based on the premise, that we are created to enjoy God forever.

The beginning of Christianity consisted of all Jewish believers. Jewish people never accepted the apocrypha as scripture.

The Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit as to the truth of what you are saying. There is inward evidence that the Bible and cohesivenes in the Bible, proving that it has one Author. It does not concradict itself. Those books that contradict the total of Scripture do not belong to the whole. They are spurious. Even if certain verses seem to be inspired, that fact that they contain error is in itself proof that they are spurious. So we also reject the book of mormon as well. It contains inspired verses quoted from the King James Version of the Old Testament and then injects a lot of garbage, as though the verses that are inspired will lend credence to the garbage. Instead, they just stink up the whole book. So it ìs with spurious books of the Old and New Testaments. They are defiled by the garbage so we need to toss them out or they will defile the credibility of the inspired books as well.

Wow pat very impressive! Thanks!

I think mine would be to continue to increase my faith in God.

You made no point. At all. It's irrelevant where the books of the NT came from-as I have said previously, the current 66 books all jive. All the books of the apocrypha do not. And I am disinclined to believe anything you say about the canon-seeing how wrong you were about the apocryphal books history. The books are heresy, the Bible is not.

He doesn't say women should shave their heads. He said not wearing a head covering in Church is the same disgrace as a woman who shaves her head. 1 Corinthians 11: 5But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. 6For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. He is simply making a point.

Completly not true. Even the Catholic church did not recognize them until the council of Trent in 1546 AD. None of them, were written in hebrew-which was the primary language used by Biblical authors during the time the apacryphal books were using. Even the authors didnt claim any inspiration. The jewish church never recognized them, and they were NEVER allowed a place among the sacred books in the first 400 years. They also, like the book of enoch, contain many contradictions and downright insults to the Bibles integrity. Not a one of them, should be taken as scriptural, or even factual. Some of them, like the book of maccabees, make interesting reading material, from a historic standpoint, but are in no way scriptural, and should not be used in addition to scripture nor to help one understand scripture.

Happy New Year to everyone ...no matter where on this earth you live!! May God bless all of you His children so that we all can be a blessing to those in need of Our Father's love.

I won't get into a debate about whether or not there are modern day prophets/apostles...this debate belongs elsewhere...but I will share some things that trouble me about this whole situation. 1. Anyone who is attempting to exalt him or her self is NOT being moved by God. 2. Prophecy has never been about sharing gossip. When sin was confronted by a prophet it was the sin of a people or nation. 3. Any church that emphasizes the Holy Spirit is out of line. JESUS is to be central...period. Placing too much focus on the Spirit rather than the Savior is not only wrong...it is dangerous. Mysticism is taking the Church by storm. Everyone wants that "mysterious experience" but we are told to be discerning and logical. That doesn't mean we are never moved by the Holy Spirit...not at all... but it does mean that the Word of God is the bottom line PERIOD; not someone who thinks they are "on a special mission from God." The last person I would listen to in a church is someone who claims to have some special access to God. No way!

Perhaps sinnersaved, this is why it is called a new covenant, a better one. Not that there was anything actually wrong with the old one, For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. I think that obeying the dietary laws is fine, and you should do so if that is how you are convicted. I like the spirit in which you are sharing these things. I would add that the whole of Romans 14 should be read, and meditated upon, with regard to this topic also, not the food aspect necessarilly but just about matters of faith of others, looking not to stumble them, and managing our selves. I see you as not judgmental in this, and that is good. I do have to wonder though, does this mean for you, that you are going to try to keep the whole law? I would also point out that Act 15 might make an interesting read as well. I tend to think, that in as much as the law, was given to Jacobs descendants, and that Jesus told the disciples to tell other what He had told them, and did not instruct them to take the law out into the world, I am convicted that dietary laws, ceremonial laws, killing homosexuals and rebellious young people, is not intended for me. So, I live my life in liberty, yet am a slave to Christ. Love God, love you neighbor. Before the flood, we were authorized to eat every green thing. If we did that now, we would die eating poisons. As far as we know, meat eating began with Noah. I do not know what to make of that, possible people ate meat, but it was never mentioned. Or, possibly the sinners ate meat, but Noah and family did not. In any, it was way after Noah, before people (and then only some people) seemed to be instructed not to eat unclean things. My point is, that I am not certain that there was ever a prohibition for anyone to abstain from eating anything before Leviticus, other than the fruit of the tree of life. Seems like if it was a problem, there should have been a law, before the law, but God chose a people, to give the law to, and told them to keep it's statutes. Then, after the birth of the church, God tell Peter, in a vision, not to call unclean, what He had made clean. Certainly, that was a reference to the Gentiles, no doubt about that at all. I find it odd though, that God would choose as an illustration, a command to eat unclean things, that just seems peculiar, unless something had changed about the nature of Gods will and permissivnes, but, that is just me being too presumptuous. I do not think it is that presumptuous, to see that the Apostles saw fit, not to burden Gentiles with the details of the Law, and that is where I find myself, as a gentile convert under the instruction of those God entrusted, to instruct me. You though, do what you think best, and nothing less.

Happy New Years C_Beth and to all my brothers an Sisters at Worthy.

HAPPY NEW YEAR! (sorry i dont have a pic to share lol) My God bless you more in 2016 then in years past...our best is yet to come Greenie

Absolutely. Beginning with the household of Cornelius, the apostles were shown that God is no respecter of persons, and that Gentiles would be an integral part of the Body of Christ. Interestingly enough, Christ's apostle to "the Circumcision" (Peter) was the one who brought Gentiles first into the Church. At the same time, Gentile believers are admonished by Paul (in Romans) to not be "high minded" (since they were evidently in the majority in the churches). We all need to remember that Messiah came to Israel first, that the Gospel was preached to Israel first, that in every city, Paul always went to the synagogues first, and only after the Jews rejected Jesus and their own salvation did Paul turn to the Gentiles. Jews, on the other hand, need to be reminded today that during the Church Age (while Israel is "blind" in part because of their rejection of Christ), God does not make any distinction whatsoever between Jew and Gentile, and all must come to Christ as sinners in need of salvation. The false doctrine of John Hagee (and now the Vatican) that Jews will somehow mysteriously be saved without receiving Christ is bogus. Also the setting up of congregations of Messianic Jews is certainly not what Christ had in mind, since He broke "the middle wall of partition" between Jew and Gentile.

Thank you so much Turtle. And I want to add my thanks to the Lord as well. The Lord is so good and so wonderous. And His life in believers is such a blessing. Your poem is beautiful and so expresses my heart, too.

Happy New Year, turtletwo, and praying for you. God Bless you. Your friend and brother in Christ, KPaulG.

In response to the Gap theory. 1. Lucifer's fall was in the spirit realm. 2. We have very little to go on about the spirit realm. 3. Adam's fall fell the entire human race, Lucifer's fall only 1/3 who chose to follow him. The source you quote (Dr. Kevin) has holes in his opening premises that a high school drop out can expose.

Well, if they accept this lie, how much easier will it be to actually attack Israel once they abolish ISIS? Not good ...

Also praying that God will dissolve the blockages and correct your cholesterol problem. Eat a lot of baked or poached fish. Put yourself in the safety of God's hands that He might guide the minds and hands of the doctors or heal you without them. May His love cast out all fear and give you perfect peace! Bessings, Willa

Blessings Oldzimm You are very welcome & the Glory belongs to God!!!!!! Can I encourage you to post a praise report in the "Praise Forum"? With love-in Christ,Kwik

I don't think the bible is a jigsaw puzzle.

Well now that's understandable... it is hard to get a muslim to kill a muslim of the same sect, so you tell people that they are from Israel.... they can kill a Jew with no ethical problem at all.

No children in the church - No future for the church. If the pastor wants perfection without reality. Then perhaps he can film at another time of the day or week.

There is a mentally challenged adult who comes to our church. He is quite enthusiastic and often speaks out in church. He loves the Lord and is welcomed. We also have a child who is severely handicapped, drools, and makes noises. The mom pushes the child in his wheelchair in the opening song where the kids parade, and he gets to be part of the blessing spoken over the children. Sometimes he makes noises too. But he loves the Lord as well. So what. The service isnt affected. They are there to love the Lord. To worship. He died for them as well as for me. I dont mind them. Most in church dont mind them either. The point of service is to worship Him as a body. Not to keep everyone quiet so that the pastor can be filmed. To me, that is limiting the Holy Spirit. Preventing folks who want to worship from being there.

Blessings Back on Topic,,,,,,I would not change one JOT or TITTLE!!!!!!! To God be the ,Glory!! With love-in Christ,Kwik

The "third heaven" is God's Heaven. It is above and beyond outer space, but it is not ephemeral. This is what is commonly called "Heaven", and what we are told by God Himself is that it contains: 1. God the Father on His throne 2. The Lord Jesus Christ on His throne 3. The Holy Spirit appearing as the seven spirits of God 4. The 24 elders around the throne 5. The Cherubim and Seraphim around the throne 6. The heavenly city, the New Jerusalem (the eternal home of the saints) 7. The souls and spirits of all the saints (both OT and NT) 8. An innumerable company of holy angels. 9. Paradise with the tree of life. 10. The Ark of the Covenant within the Temple in Heaven. The question each one must ask themselves is "Do I know that if I died tonight, I would be in Heaven with Christ?" One can know this with certainty by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.

I wouldn't rewrite anything for I believe the Bible to be inerrant and the true Word of God.

wouldnt change a thing, the Bible is Gods holy inspired word, if I was to change any of that, with my earthly knowledge, it would no longer be inspired, but just as heretical as the book of enoch.

I can't rewrite the Bible, I'm not qualified. (but then who is)

Thank God for the few audience members who recited the "missing" verses from Luke: "UPDATE: Bible passage recited by adults during school play Kaitlynn LeBeau, Brad Myers, The Associated Press, WSAZ News Staff PAINTSVILLE, Ky. (AP) - Audience members attending the performance of "A Charlie Brown Christmas" at a Johnson County elementary recited a Bible passage that school district officials deleted from the play. W.R. Castle Elementary School Principal Jeff Cochran some of people attending Thursday's performance recited lines from the play in which the character Linus quotes from the Gospel of Luke. "We just kind of got together this morning and as were sitting there and it was just all on our hearts that they took out the scriptures and that's the main part you know that's what it's all about," said Holly Davis, one of the parents..." Merry Christmas! Luke 2:8-14 (8) And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. (9) And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. (10) And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. (11) For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (12) And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. (13) And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, (14) Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

This isn't intended to be a question of "who do you like" or "who is your 'buddy'". I can honestly say I'm inspired by so many people for different reasons and some people don't "inspire me" necessarily but they are my dearest of friends. Those are the ones I say are "fun" to be with and have a friendship with. I hope it's okay to share a little about who's actually inspired me spiritually or helped me to grow in my faith. The main person I know who's done this has been Dr. Luke (Dave). He's been an inspiration to me because he's so on fire for Jesus, he's contagious. It's had a effect on me and stirred up my longings for the Lord. Another person is Snowdoove, (Patricia) because she endures so much pain and suffering, I can better handle my own when I see how hard she has it. I think I have it rough at times until I see what she's going through. What makes it hard is she does it without a spouse or family for support. She's an inspiration for me to persevere. And Yukon (Cindi) because she is one of the most generous, caring and sensitive people I've ever met, so Jesus shines right through her. There are so many people who are an awesome witness...but these three have just been a powerful influence in my life lately, as I've gone through some tough trials in my personal life.