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He takes it seriously only because this is another game for him; he only wants to win so he can cross that off his list of "accomplishments." There's no genuine concern for anything but himself. Then again, isn't that the case with almost every politician we have?

Some people just like to get the last word in.

So what happened to the body of Jesus? it was, after all, gone from the tomb. Did it turn to dust in three days, and the Gospel writers fail to mention it? Did someone steal it away and hide it? Ezek. 37:13 “Then you shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves." Mat 27:52 ...and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many. If the bodies of the dead are not restored, is then the opening of the graves just for show?

Actually you are wrong. The Stuggart manuscripts which are the bulk of the TR do NOT have Mark 15:28...... Is it not amazing how KJV ONly like to distort this and that to edify the KJV to that equal of God himself. Many churches have split. Many lives have been ruined by KJV Only. It is a disease.

Hi T.lehin. I am married to the same wife for over 44 years. We have two children, five grandchildren and three great grand children. My wife and I fell in love at first site and we have remained faithful to each other all these years by never telling each other lies, even though the truth sometimes hurt either one of us deeply. You wrote; . You made the break because of his lies, then you apologised, he refuses to accept your apology, so now you need to get on with your life and try and forget this relationship. You have your whole life ahead of you and you will meet another who you can trust. Psalm 40:4, "Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies." God bless and keep you forever, "AND" God bless your exams with a great result.

Relationships are built upon trust...perhaps its a good thing it is over.

Blessings,,,, There is a very good book out by Dr Jordan Rubin,the"Makers Diet",,,,,,he refers to Scripture to share Gods Diet with us as it is Written,,,,,,you may find it very interesting WE have to remember that legalistic or not ,,,,,WHO would no better what is the best & healthiest for our bodies,,,,,,simple,the ONE Who Created us! God did not tell man to eat this thing & that thing just for something to say or to begrudge us anything that might be quite tastey but for what will keep the machine running most effectively,soundly ,efficiently & for a very long time There is much to do with increased risk of anaerobic bacteria, which are apparently more dangerous/deadly than their aerobic counterparts, living in blood. God knew this long before man did & He always has our best interest in Mind,as He first Loved us,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, try to consider these things also Is it okay,no it is not okay as Ezra clearly pointed out,,,,,does God make allowances for our stiff neckedness,stubborn minds & ignorant decisions,,,,,,well yeah,He has Michael,,,,,,seek God & ask Him to Reveal His Will to you,,,,,,,,,,,,,God shows us what pleases Him if we earnestly want to please Him & forsake the desires of our own hearts With love-in Christ,Kwik

In my opinion, one cannot live a good life and live morally with no foundation. I NEED God to be there for me, to guide me and to assure me eternal life. What are y'all's opinions on this? Apparently, the 'nones' still feel they have to hide their lack of belief. Is that true? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/religiously-unaffiliated-morality_us_57164a51e4b0018f9cbb1c7a?

Here is a good article on the subject of flaming. I am somewhat new to the world of message boards and I have heard this word thrown around here and there and I know it is even included in the terms of service that says flaming isn't allowed, but that doesn't mean that I really understood what it meant to realize that this is the definition of how someone was posting in response to something I said. I have been hopeful at times that it would be possible to have a discussion where I could respond and try to convey my motivations that have not been met without positive outcomes, and this leaves me just feeling very disappointed, especially when multiple people join the party. So, I wanted to point out the definition of flaming in case there are other people that are left feeling confused by the responses of others like myself. http://techterms.com/definition/flaming "Hope deferred makes the heart sick, but a longing fulfilled is a tree of life," (Proverbs 13:12).

Actually you are wrong. The Stuggart manuscripts which are the bulk of the TR do NOT have Mark 15:28...... Is it not amazing how KJV ONly like to distort this and that to edify the KJV to that equal of God himself. Many churches have split. Many lives have been ruined by KJV Only. It is a disease. Don't bother, ccfromsc. He will just shift the goal posts again until only the TR qualifies. Maybe he will eventually say that any mss without Mark 15:28 is not a complete work and therefore disqualified. Of course the absurdity is that if one of the original books of the NT is found, i.e. the autographs, he will still disqualify it because it is not a complete NT. Btw, what version do you like? I use the NIV most of the time for study purposes but I like the NLT for devotional reading especially for the Psalms. Its predecessor, the Living Bible, was my first bible and I grew up enjoying it.

I hate to think of good, moral people being sent to hell because they don't know God or have rejected Him. But that's exactly what will happen to them. I don't know what the answer is or even if there is one. Maybe it's all part of His plan?

As Jesus said to the Rich Young Ruler "There is none good but God". Paul backed that up with "There is none righteous no not one". Genuine righteousness must come from God, and produce goodness or morality. That does not mean that people without Christ cannot obey their conscience, or be moral people. But regardless of all their good thoughts and deeds, God sees them as lost, blind, naked, and miserable, and in need of the righteousness of Christ. Without the imputed righteousness of Christ, none can enter Heaven, and none can have eternal life.

Yep, Scofield has definitely been attacked due to his heavy dispensational theology. I think he is one of the greatest Theologians I have ever read. As a dispensationalist myself, I rarely disagree with him.

How could she be lying when she hadn't sinned yet.

Any time there is flaming going on here at Worthy, the mods are sure to shut down or delete the offensive posts. I have never been flamed here but, on other sites, Katy bar the door; it can get pretty bad.

Of course, the context is different, but the Paul's point is just as valid here, thanks Esther!

That is your fallacy. What modern translations say is that English is a horrible language to translate into from the biblical languages. For Example: LOVE on word in english. In greek you have eros, agape and phileo. So when you read the bible in english which greek word of "love" is it referencing? Also is now how we now use words, example "did he hear" versus "did he listen."

So cute. Now you openly defame the Bible. You elevate a translation to equal status with God himself. Do you even realize that the preface of the KJV says they did not have the ONLY bible and to seek others? So Churches tinted the version to their doctrine....do you realize the KJV did the same? As for slamming the TNIV, which I admit I like... What of the modern day KJV...Which one do you have? Do you have the Cambridge? The Oxford? Westminister? Each is different, very different.

I think this is a fantastic point. We talk about this subject at church sometimes, and try to work towards limiting our church lingo when we are in community settings because it can be distracting and intimidating to people. It was a real shift for me a few years ago, because I wanted to fit in with people at church by using words like this. However, to be a witness to any group of believer, you have to learn their language; and sometimes we can have different styles of relating with words in own communities. It is important to be aware of this and considerate towards the way they communicate so that they will understand what we are trying to share with them. I have two verses that I think go along with this subject. "For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified." (1 Corinthians 2:2). " So with yourselves, if with your tongue you utter speech that is not intelligible, how will anyone know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air. There are doubtless many different languages in the world, and none is without meaning, but if I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker a foreigner to me. So with yourselves, since you are eager for manifestations of the Spirit, strive to excel in building up the church, (1 Corinthians 14:9-12).

The TR is not the only set of biblical documents. It also does not mean others that are not are corrupted or wrong. Ever heard of the Orthodox church? What bible do they use? Do you even know? Why do you spread discontent, confusion and discord?

I would absolutely agree with my brother Patriot. It is all about trust and long distance is not a good thing for building any kind of a life on. God has something so much better for you. Wait, Be still and know that He is God. Blessing RustyAngeL

Amen this so worthy of an amen just as MG said.

Once again, I cannot get an answer to a direct question. You cannot point to any single Christian doctrine that is missing. Not just salvation, but any truth of the Christian faith. The only doctrine I can't find is the kjv as the only Bible we should read. I love it but its not the defacto English Bible. I do highly recommend it though

Hi Daze, Sorry bro but this got lost in the mix .. here's my point .. From these : Matthew 24:29-31 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Corinthians 15: 51-52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Come these points : All three verses describe a single trumpet sounding to herald the resurrection Two verses describe the same trumpet sounding which heralds both the descent of Christ and the resurrection, that is, one trump encompassing two events. That tells me that both the descent of Christ and the resurrection of the saints are heralded by the same trumpet blast. Which causes me to envision one single and long sounding trumpet (like when God descended before the Hebrews on the mount Sinai) which trumpet blast got louder and louder, that covers both the descent of Christ and the resurrection of the saints. I also note that all 3 examples call that trumpet blast which heralds the resurrection by three different titles, highlighted above, along with plain old "trumpet" making 4 references .. I don't see these titles as contradictory to "last trump", but merely as various terms for the same trump with "last trump" being the main key/clue to bind them all together. So in conclusion, 1 trump heralds two events, the descent of Christ (appearing) and the resurrection of the saints. Thanks Daze.

Ha! Ha! If you believe that, you'd believe anything. Wouldn't it be far more simple for the devil to mislead the translator of one bible version that many christians worship? It seems to be working...

@ the whole thead in general The letter of the law kills but the Spirit gives life. Dead arguments lead to confusion and ruin.

At least you acknowledge that no Christian doctrine is missing. The rest is your own opinion. The whole point of a good Bible is to lead us to know God and his Son, Jesus Christ. All the good translations do an excellent job of that. Whether the Kjv or the Nkjv, the importance is that we read and practice God's word.

I didn't say that, you did. I said what fundamental Christian truth is left out? Be it salvation, the Deity of Christ, Justification by faith, the incarnation, the Trinity, the indwelling of The Holy Spirit, Law and Grace, etc. You do know the fundamentals of Orthodox Christian faith right? What am I missing by reading a Modern translation with missing verses?

What fundamental truth was left out? Truth that makes one a Christian. Are you really going to sit here and say fasting? Are you really going to say the modern translations do not teach fasting?

When do you believe the canon was closed? In my view 1611 is much later then the canon being closed. The Textus Receptus was written in the 1500's which is also much later then the canon was closed. Most of the Greek manuscripts used to compile the Textus receptus were from the 1200's. Again, long after the canon was closed. The canon for the NT was closed around 397 ce, but had been informally agreed up since around 200 ce.

that was a great posts with a lot of information, and you are correct sister, thank you for showing us scripture in truth and in love, blessings to you , great job Sister

in the last days, God said that the people reject His statues and His ways, ? they do not follow Me, ? they follow the traditions of man, and make for them selves gods and idols for them selves, and reject the word of God? they have deceived them selves, and are not concern with what God has spoken, and so I will send them a great delusion? and they will continue in there ways , that are evil and wicked, for they do not seek Me,? I think as it was in the days of noah, and the days of lot, that God did the same, the people were left, to their own ways, and could not see the truth , and so there was no truth in them and so they went on to fulfill the lusts and wants of the flesh, and they all perished in the end , ? today , we are told that there is a great delusion, and for the people reject God, and so it will be again , in the end times, ? I believe I see it , and its most evident, for we have forgotten God, and turn to our own ways , and many have said there is no God,? what do you think , thank you and blessings ................

Hello Bopeep, I come in peace, and to let you , know, that isis , was placed by the powers that be of the earth to , over come, and to bring the sword, to the necks of the Christians and all that oppose there belief, and so you may not see them identified in the bible as many are looking for them , but they are there and they are part of the forces that are moving, to dominate and to move as prophecy tells us by the word of God, He shows us, that there be a power in the end days, and a power to , make people to accept or to reject God, or jesus and they have been doing that, and we see it unfold, for it is here, and we are even at the doors, and many are looking but not seeing for their eyes are blinded by what is going on some where else in the countries, and so we have , In revelation that tribulation saints are beheaded , and who does this type of act, , yes it is them , and who else would be and could do this in the soon and present future , the beast system, and no, no man could buy or sell unless they had the mark of the beast, this is the start and it leads to that scripture, question, how far away from fulfilling this scripture are we , ? in revelation from coming true ? that no man can buy or sell unless he had the name the number of the mark, think abut that,? one of the three things, , we are on the verge of a economic collapse, and the stock market financialist are saying we are in trouble, and we see that in the news, but not much about the countries, and the refugees, being up rooted from there homes, and their lands, and that there is no food, and they are trying to get to safety , or die, and so it is begun, and it started with them and it will end with us, do you not see that we are soon going to fall apart , how long do you think we can stay a float, in our economy, ? we are there, it will just take a event to speed this up , and then we will be in revelation, and right at that scripture, and so we are in for a time of tribulation, and we must prepare and be ready , reguardless of what any one believes, thank you and blessings and peace

I see Elijah, but where is it that it be moses, ? and not enoch ? I can except Elijah ? what can you prove for moses ? and it not be enoch ?

Just a thought , how do we not know that it will be Elijah , and Enoch ? they were the only two , that really did not die and they both were taken by God, before they died, on earth ?, moses did die, ? so could it be possible that this could be the two , if it be two that come back ?

nice I like that thinking, it is reasonable to believe that, there is a scripture I need to find where I believe John is also told that he will be needed again prior to the coming of Jesus again, I have to find that scripture, I read it , and tried to make sense of it, for Elijah is to be prior to the coming of the lord, it is said, now there was on the mount of transfiguration, that moses and Elijah both were seen together, already , so we need to see if I can find that scripture, and to see if it has been already fulfilled by the meeting on transfiguration I believe your scripture in this topic might be what I was looking for ? but 7DOVE77, this is a great topic, blessings to you .

I really enjoyed that , thank you sister, and be blessed, you gave me food for thought, a USD stick is a good example?

would they be those filled with the holy spirit ? the thousands that died ,already ?

no the church is not in heaven when the antichrist is here or the system of the lawless one, they are given into the hands for 42 months, in revelation, but there is no church out of here until God calls us home, but there is tribulation saints, so that has to take place, fact and truth , who would satan kill if everyone took his side, ., that be funny , no saints to be killed, ? that's not what my bible says

thank you M.G, but I knew that ,but my question and statement was rhetorical for food for thought , thank you and blessings to you peace..

the statement of that #24 , and that chapter, up to the verse of 23 , has already taken place, it is now history , and its not about the new temple they want to build today , which would really be silly for the final and once and for all sacrifice has been done, paid in full by Yahushua and so , today people want to believe it has not happened, but it has, and so the churches are preaching something that the temple is going to be built and the sacrifices started back up, this is crazy, but yes the temple is in the works, and they do want to do this again, but it is all in vain, for the real Jerusalem temple of God comes down from the heavens , the new , and un made with hands, with its twelve Gates for the twelve tribes and so on described in revelation, many that has already happen people today are looking to the future , and missing the whole word of God and not understanding scripture to be taken literally or to take as symbols and metaphors , so we can see that , what are we looking for now , ? what is the signs, ? all we have now is that the lawless one be revealed , and the apostacy of the people the falling away of yahuwa, there is no other sign really needed, so any of this can happen any time, but !! with in the appointed times of God , Gods feast Days, not just any time,per se, but in the year, that is determind to end the trsansgressions of sin and put a end to evil and be destroyed , for good,, but we also have a system , a beast system that will usher this end time to the brink, the vision of the lawless one that is able to enforce the taking of the mark of the beast , this is the next sign to see,, I believe to be so, my opinion , and its so , so , so , close, we will see it , for it is in this generation, so don't mis understand me , this is my view and take as far as what to look for ?, thank you

I am not going to say that I have the answers in order, but what I do know is ,from my understanding of what scripture tells me, and what, my view is, may not agree with many , and that is okay , but I will share what I believe it to be true, and it is my opinion, in the book of matthew #24 Jesus is telling His disciples , only not the people, it is to the people that have to stay strong and endure until the end with the persecution and killing and it is in that time, of the temple that was already there, to look at, he tells them kingdom against kingdom famines and quakes but it is the beginning of the horrors to come ,many will fall back into sin and betray and hate each other but those that endure until the end shall be saved ?and the good news preached until the ends of the earth and then the end will come, and so when you see? what was spoken of in Daniel standing ion the holy place then those in JUDEA must flee to the Judean hills those on the porches must not go back into the house to grab your things ? those in the fields not return home for their clothes Woe to the pregnant women ,with babies in those days and pray your flight is not in the winter, or on the Sabbath for there will be persecution such as the world has never seen in fact unless those days be shorten all mankind will perish but they will be shorten for the sake of Gods people ,(the living bible) so this is saying , that it is immediately , and that the house of the holy is polluted by them/who is standing ,in the where they should not be, WARNING to them, in 70 ad the assyrian soldiers of Rome came to wipe out and destroy the temple I believe, and there was no escape, but to the hills of the Judean hills, for the army of romans soldiers coming in from that side, had for a odd reason turned around and went back ,leaving that part open for refuge and safety if they made into the hills and so some people were saved, or got out free, and so not all was killed, BUT ,Jesus warned them , before hand and told them , the Warning , 70 ad ,it has already happened, past history ,and so we are not looking for that,, we see that at the chapter 24 ,verse 23, I believe it to tell of the future, to beware and warns us, for today ? this is what I believe,so the people he just told the story to, has gone through and the temple is destroyed, many were killed, and it was a full on blood bath, so the judgment was set and Jerusalem paid the price for disobedience and rejection of God, also note, many do not, want to believe, but ? Jesus did not really tell them a lie that he is not coming back at that time, but He is coming back, but if the faithful thought that He was not coming back then they would have all ran , for they would have no hope , and endure until the end as they have done, as it is yesterday and the saints of today you and me , we are promised of his return and yes He is coming, but if we give up that hope , we have no hope to believe in,and today they say where is the blessed hope you have talked about and has not come yet, the mockers and the hates and those that are turning away now , and as we are rejecting God today in our country and in our society , and our lives we are being tested on who is faithful and who is not, who really believes ? and who does not , the testing of your faith is today , tomorrow, and until the end , and he /she that endures until the end shall be saved as it is told in the first three chapters of revelation and then it no longer shows the church as a group but are now told about the saints, it is the spirit filled people . hear what the spirit says to the churches, they that endure until the end shall be saved, so how long ? no one knows, but there is signs to look at, and they fall on the feast days, or Gods feast days to come the appointed times, that we are to be watching, as we do today to warn people of the coming antichrist, and beast system, and the persecution and what people refuse to take and heed today , and that everything is as it was ,and no one is worried, evil is at the door, and we need to be in Christ as Christ is in us, and one with God as god is with us, being in the holy spirit in our temples, awaiting the blessed hope, and doing Gods work and reaching out to save and to point to the cross for all to see the love of God and the hope we have with in us, and for the time ahead? to come? do not let anyone deceive you !! for we will suffer , and have tribulation, Jesus tells us this, and so , we need to prepare our selves and know when we are facing persecution and death in the face, we are not afraid , for we are over comers, and Jesus is there waiting for us, when it is all said and done,. blessing and peace , and seek God today ,we do not know what tomorrow will bring . amen ...

DISPENSATIONALISM, something I did not know about until recently, and wanted to get input from others and what their take is on this? I have looked it up and I have looked at a lot of scriptures , before posting this , so I am well aware of this and what it mean, now with that said, to me I believe that it does make a lot of sense , and really it brings together all that I have stated together as far , as following the law (Torah ) , and to see that we today think that the church is a new thing ? WHEN it is actually not , for church is assembly , or gathering and they , did that all the time in the past , now when Jesus said on this rock , I will build my church talking about peter ,this was not a new thing that every one says this is when the church was formed or started ? in fact it was on this apostle that had the faith , and what Jesus wanted to pass down for we to learn from, so I believe this has been taken out of context , for a very long time, so we have what people say is a separation of church , and the Israel and that they are two different and not of the same nation or people , and that ? Israel is israel and the new church of today , is not of Israel , and so everything under the sun? is for the people of the Israel , and today its for the church , well , hear is where it gets clear, we are grafted into the olive tree, the original tree that is already rooted in God, and we are as gentiles the wild brances , grafted in, to the already existing tree, and so we become, one, and in the end time the original branches will come back into the olive tree, for it was cut off, but we are not to boast , that God will bring them back , for by this we are one body , and not two bodies, and what goes for one goes for both so we are now considered all of one nation and royal priest hood a holy and called out nation for God, judah and Israel has separated , but in he end will become all one, so even though we are gentiles we are subject to the law the Torah, and we are all saved by Grace by Jesus , there are many scriptures to back all of his up so , for many will disagree, and that's okay for if you do disagree, then you are not seeing the word of God and how He has called you and Israel His people and His nation, for the law will be written on our hearts the Torah, so do you see it , even with the new covenant we are still to abide in Gods commandments , and not toss it out, we are to obey and abide in Christ for we are also crucified with Christ, and we are all one body , there is now no difference between jew and greek , and no division from jews and aliens, we are all called to come into one nation under one God under His law and Grace I see so many separating these two the gentiles from the jews, and never could understand why , and now I see that this is a false teaching, so if you think I am wrong , please feel free to correct me, but , I will say I am correct, ? for scripture backs all of this up, and for uyears and life we have followed man made doctrines and pagan and roman rules to the faith , and if we separate our selves to just the law , and Grace, we will see that we are not separate , we are one olive tree, intertwined together, and God is our God, for those with a hard time with this, then how do you say I worship the God of issaac ,Jacob and Abraham ? yes we are gentiles , but we are now made to be the people of God there is no division, also in revelation there was a multitude that no one could number around the throne of all nations and tongues , and people , so you see, we are all one happy holy nation, in the sight of God and we are all accountable for making sure we are following Gods law, the Torah, and we are under Grace, at the same time, I hope this is a blessing to others , thank you for hearing me, please do your research , and test what I said to be true, ?thank you

thank you I believe you see the same understanding of that scripture, it would make a lot of sense for sure . now can we not say that the dead in Christ has already been called, by the scripture the graves are opened, and next it will be us that are alive ? what do you say there William, it could be ? it fulfills the first call of the dead in Christ in this verse, is it or would you think it is not ful filled ? just asking brother , peace,, and blessings

okay , yes we can agree that they raised and was seen, of what bodies or spirit , I can not answer that nor would any one be able to say , that is truth , now the scripture you ask that what did Christ mean when He said the first will be last and the last shall be first okay , according to what I believe and understand , Jesus came for the lost sheep of Israel yes, so they were first , and then to provoke them for there rejection and dis obedience to God , He came to the Gentiles and so until the Gentiles are come in, so I believe He is talking about the gathering of the elect, for the gentiles will be raised prior to the remnant of the original branches this would make a lot of sense, if I am wrong, I am open for a different view, thank you

that was a great amount of information, and thank you for that, I have a study I was doing on the same thing, blessings my brother

well said Ezra, I will note your comments in my note book for you are so correct about this, thank you brother

I have brought this about ,because, to bring into a separation of Jews and Gentiles as two different , and keeping both at bay, I do not believe God intended that we stay separated and that this is His plan, the jews are jews , and the Gentiles are the Gentiles, but we are ,brought together in one tree the olive tree the original and the wild branches, mixed and yet, forged together to be of one root, and of one God , and all that he expects us to be as believers, ? I do not think God wants us to be puffed up and boasting in this fact that , we are called in by grace and we are the outsider the alien, and yet in the day that the lord has appointed Israel will come back into the tree , so I believe this is what the definition of the do not boast against the original branches, and we are not to say what was good for the people of days past and Israel does not go for us today as Gentiles coming in, we are one people, in One spirit , and One God that is our calling to HIm in obedience, and truth , for we are of Judah , so to speak ? and this is what I was trying to bring to the table , we are no longer different , let me try to give a Example of this, we have a Israeli family dad ,mom sister and then they adopt a new gentile brother, they are not all the same but they have become one family , a new step son and brother , and family , now they are all subjected to the rules and traditions and customs of one family of there origin , and as we are Gentiles brought in to the family of the olive tree the isreali , and gentiles are together , under the father God in heaven of Jacob , Isaac and Abraham , so this is how we should look at todays church and the jews of the chosen land of God, I pray this helped and made sense for we continually try to separate the two , in every Christian church I attendend , but now I see it clear,

I agree with you on some of this and I wanted to clear up the one nation under God, was actually a people under the real and true God of the bible, an I was not referring to the American view of a nation under God , for we are a world under the God of this world for now , until he is completely destroyed, for we are a nation in America but under satan, and the demonic spirits of evil and lawlessness , and all this is about time and Gods appointed times to take its course and to make right what man has made corrupt, and so we are saved yes ,and by the blood of Jesus , and we are awaiting our master , savior , and God to come and redeem ,what He has paid for with such a high price for the work was finished and nailed to the cross, and so ,we need to be watching and be ready for the fullness of the Gentiles , and then we shall be taken away , and the end will come