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  1. After the Napoleonic Wars when Italy became a unified kingdom and absorbed all the Papal States, no secular state has paid any attention as to what the Vatican had to say about Europe. But again, why let facts get in the way of another Catholic Conspiracy on the Worthy forums.
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  2. This is simply another manifestation of demonic influence. The entire LGBT agenda is controlled by Satan to destroy people, and damn their souls.
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  3. It's the same old thing over and over. "As long as it's not in my back yard". But we all know how this will end up . . . . a male will go into a female locker room or restroom and molest a girl, then his defense will be; how could I have done such a thing, I don't even like girls. So instantly he will be the victim instead of the perpetrator. And I don't consider this the subject of a changing world, I view it as a more condemned world. Come quickly Lord Jesus!
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  4. I apologize for my arrogance. It's my opinion though that he will simply say anything to win the election based on his words and actions. Especially his statement on an interview he had with O'Reilly where he said he knew his best bet was under the Republican party. But again, forgive me for my previous statement.
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  5. 'Missing verses' again... they are only a problem if you are already used to the KJV. Mark 15:28 (and other verses like it) is duplicated elsewhere in the gospels; they are not missing from the Bible as a whole. I don't miss Mark 15:28 because I can read the same words in Luke 22:37. If such things annoy or upset you, use the KJV. I don't mind at all. But please don't try to convince me that I'm missing lots of verses that I know I can find and read perfectly easily. I've met no-one who has suffered spiritually as a result of using a modern translation. I have met people who were seriously shaken in their faith because someone cast doubt on a Bible version they and their church were using. The controversy does far more harm than good, in my opinion.
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  6. I have had the chance today to see from another member that posted a writing of the parable, of the (wheat and the tares) we read this parable, but what does it really say to us, ? if we take a real close look at it, what is it really telling us, "? does it mean what we believe it to be,, ? or something else ? does it have a dual meaning ? ??? or is it beyond what we could even imagine ? ?? lets get input on this,? it will be very interesting and eye opening, I assure it will, , lets break down the code, or , is there one ? Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. Matthew 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. Matthew 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? Matthew 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? Matthew 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. blessings
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  7. I know Brothers and Sisters that you have seen this common post before but I am new and it is tough to go back into history , so can some one please tell me who the two witnesses of god is or what the two witnesses stand for if it be symbolic, for I have heard so many different answers and I know this is the place to post this , so hear is what I was told in the pass, moses and elijah, enoch and moses, it is the old testament and the new , it is the church, it is the law and grace, I know it tells of two possible prophets of old , but they are over come killed in the street and then raised on the third day and so I have heard all types of things on this, sorry about the spelling forgive me, but I hope its clear to read , and if they do show up is it during tribulation or when gods wrath is being poured out, trying to get the scene and the timing of these two , and how the 144,000 virgin males are in the time of this end mentioned in revelation, thank you I know its a mouth full but what do you say I am open for scriptural teaching, and any help will be appreciated thank you
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  8. okay I am thinking about the four horses and the four colors and the first white horse or the spirit of these riders, do you believe that the white horse has already been out in our world or is it that non of them are loose yet, so the first white horse I know is not jesus for the last white horse is him but is the first horse out already, and if not what describes the time line of where we are according to revelation, I believe we are in the days of tribulation and persecution it has been going on for years, are we not to expect we have entered this part in the bible, please give me some knowledge and help in this? thank you .
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  9. I have a question that I would like everybody to weigh in on. Jesus loves everyone from the day they are born but still some people don't cherish that and have hate in their hearts. Why????
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  10. The question was pertaining to whether it was Christlike or not. Hoax or real does not really change the question.
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  11. I do not see the connection between your title question, and the question in the post itself. As to the title question, no, the line not thin, it is a wide gulf! One looks nothing like the other. Jesus loves people, from way before their birth, from before the foundation of the world. My question to you is, what are you personally, doing in response to His love for you?
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  12. I see not supporting it, I probably wouldn't attend either-and probably would let them know why, but not in that manner, nor would I protest it or encourage others to. There are times and places to protest-at the wedding is not one of them.
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  13. No its not, the reply to the invitation was very spiteful. We are not called to be spiteful just as we are not to be hateful. It is possible to disagree with an action such as a homosexual wedding without lowering oneself to that of an unbeliever. All the respondent had to say was, “I or we decline to attend” and leave it at that. A response such as the one you posted will just cause an unbeliever to move that much further away from the gospel. And if they were confessing Christians such a reply will push them further into sin because they now have just been attacked and are now resentful. The bible tells us that if another Christian is sinning we are to politely and in a loving manner help them back onto the right road. After having gently and in a loving manner admonished someone; It is then up to them to make a decision in which direction they will go. They have to make the choice themselves, no one else can make it for them or force them into changing. .
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  14. Willa,we all are human and this kind of situations will happen to all of us and our first reaction is to fix things ourself and not even to think of asking God for wisdom, only when we come to the realization that we don't know everything, we ask God what shall I do,we should ask Him right away. I believe we can get too overwhelmed by things which are not even worth it. God is always there to help us and give us wisdom about everything if we ask I know all about computer problem and windows 10 , if you have any questions , Pat is good for advice, he helped me lots of times
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  15. from my personal point of view, it's totally absurd...... but you did hear right. I have never been in a girls shower room, but if it's open like the boys showers are, that would be totally unworkable in my little world. We might as well all run around naked...
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  16. It would be nice to see all people being kind to one another,see the fruit that the Holy Spirit has given us and see no false teaching but......I don't think that is going to happen in the world we live in now. Even on a Christian message board sad to say
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  17. Shayah, Mr. Trump has an agenda.... and if you listen to interviews he did as far back as 1978 you will find that he hasn't changed his mind.... Those things he talks about most of the time about trade, policing the world for free and immigration, he has been saying for decades..... The only way for him to try and fix it would be as president, and he would not be electable on the democratic side of things at this time..... so he decided to give the Republicans a try..... and those things he has been putting forth for decades are the same things I have tried to get our legislature to act on and could not..... our country can't keep going as a free constitutional government much longer with the deals that have been made and are being made, so in my personal opinion the only chance our country has to remain a free constitutional nation depends on Donald Trump getting elected...... I personally would rather see someone like Ben Carson be elected, but he didn't seem to be interested in focusing on those things and proved MG's statement about someone we would approve as a good candidate personality wise just isn't electable. I am very aware of the down side of Mr. Trump...... but there is no one else on his up side and without that basically in a very sort time we are done....
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  18. You left off right at verses 53-54, which resolve the whole question about the state of the physical body at this time: 1 Cor. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” The physical body becomes "changed," becoming incorruptible and immortal: it does not cease to exist, it changes state. Instead of the soul being confined and conformed within a physical and unchangeable shell of flesh and bones, those flesh and bones will become mutable. That is, the soul will determine the form of the body, not the other way around. The body will thereafter appear as "clothing" suited to fit the state of the soul. For those becoming purified and heavenly, that bodily form will be beautiful beyond what we presently see, in the perfect image of its intended form. For those remaining unpurified and corrupted, it will be twisted and distorted and ugly beyond anything presently seen on earth.
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  19. Eve was not very brilliant, so maybe she had a Fruedian slip. For instance, I meant to ask somebody what my counselors extension was and instead I started saying "what's the extension of Mother Teresa" (then caught myself ) ( because that was who was on my mind at that time and my counselor and I had recently talked about her) If I get somebody's name wrong or my mind is elsewhere and I Stumble over my words, is that the same as lying? If I had every intention of speaking the truth and thought I was. Perhaps she misunderstood God as well. Obviously speaking false info is falsehood, but is it still a sin if a person doesn't realize or it was a misunderstanding? If I demanded my kids not eat something , that would mean I wouldn't want them touching or playing with it either.
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  20. Beloved, I Don't Know Who And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Hebrews 9:27 Or What It Is That Appears To Your Leaders Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds. Jeremiah 14:14 (NIV) But I Know For Certain That The LORD Jesus Is Waiting In Heaven Then I will return to my place until they admit their guilt and turn to me. For as soon as trouble comes, they will earnestly search for me." Hosea 5:15 (NLT) Waiting For The Remanent Of Israel To Call Out To Yeshua “And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls. Joel 2:30-32 (ESV) And Then The Resurrection Of The Just For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18 As Jesus Rides Back Down To And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:11-16 Jerusalem Town Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem. The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more. In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack. The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing. Zephaniah 3:14-17 ~ Beloved The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36 Where Will You Be? And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Revelation 6:14-17 Love, Joe
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  21. Beloved, Doesn't That Put Joe Smith And The Whole Mormon Church Into Deep Trouble? Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Psalms 2:6-9 Joseph Smith boasted that he did more than Jesus to keep a church together. "God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil--all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . ," (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 408-409). Click here to see this quote in context. https://carm.org/joseph-smith-quotes Especially When The LORD Jesus Sits In Judgement Of The Very Cosmos And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11 Joseph Smith said that God was not always God. “We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did, and I will show it from the Bible,” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-346. Italics in original). https://carm.org/joseph-smith-quotes And The Christ Deniers On Judgement Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. Psalms 2:10-12 Joseph Smith said that there are many gods. "Hence, the doctrine of a plurality of Gods is as prominent in the Bible as any other doctrine. It is all over the face of the Bible . . . Paul says there are Gods many and Lords many . . . but to us there is but one God--that is pertaining to us; and he is in all and through all," (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 474). "In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 5). https://carm.org/joseph-smith-quotes Day For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 Joseph Smith said that there are men living on the moon who dress like Quakers and live to be nearly 1000 years old. Since he was wrong about the moon, is it safe to trust him regarding the way to Heaven? (The Young Woman's Journal, vol. 3, p. 263-264 (See reprint in Mormonism--Shadow or Reality? by Jerald and Sandra Tanner, p. 4). https://carm.org/joseph-smith-quotes ~ Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Corinthians 5:20-21 Love, Joe
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  22. Hit The "Quote" Button Of The Post You Are Interested In And Type Below The Box That Comes Up So Easy Even A Joe Can Do It, lol~!
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  23. Actually you are wrong. The Stuggart manuscripts which are the bulk of the TR do NOT have Mark 15:28...... Is it not amazing how KJV ONly like to distort this and that to edify the KJV to that equal of God himself. Many churches have split. Many lives have been ruined by KJV Only. It is a disease. Don't bother, ccfromsc. He will just shift the goal posts again until only the TR qualifies. Maybe he will eventually say that any mss without Mark 15:28 is not a complete work and therefore disqualified. Of course the absurdity is that if one of the original books of the NT is found, i.e. the autographs, he will still disqualify it because it is not a complete NT. Btw, what version do you like? I use the NIV most of the time for study purposes but I like the NLT for devotional reading especially for the Psalms. Its predecessor, the Living Bible, was my first bible and I grew up enjoying it.
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  24. Correct. We will put on an immortal body. Also note the distinction between Jesus' immortal "flesh and bone" and Paul's description of mortal "flesh and blood".
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  25. Ah But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:4-10 Beloved Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6 Here Is Only For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. Isaiah 54:5 One LORD Jesus, The Christ And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Ephesians 3:9 And When He Is Through With The Earth And All The Stars And The Planets For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Colossians 1:16-17 They (The Cosmos) Will Be All Gone And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11 So, Do Take HIS Name Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. Revelation 3:11 And Be Blessed I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:8 Beloved The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 Love, Joe
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  26. Welcome~! ~ Beloved And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. John 14:13 A Thought And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. Matthew 6:6-7 Or Two Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. James 4:3 And As For Those Pastors Who Point You To Themselves Rather Than To Jesus And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 2 Peter 2:3 ~ Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 Love, Your Brother Joe
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  27. So now the new versions only teach the plan of salvation? Lol ok. I am going to ask for the 20th time to any and all hardcore Kjv onlyist, what fundamental Christian doctrine is missing? I'm not just talking about the plan of Salvation(which is the most important) what else? The Lord's Deity, his humanity, the Virgin birth, the blood atonement? What?
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  28. For me, I have to look at the big picture. When God told Noah that he and that small, small band of humanity could start eating meat, he gave them the directive to not eat the flesh with the blood still in it. What does that mean? I think it means he wanted them to drain the blood as much as possible. Why? In my opinion, to respect the life of the animal being eaten. God protected the animals by giving them a fear of mankind. If humans were going to eat meat after the Flood, the animals needs to have an instinct to flee man. The same directives were given in the Law and the early church leaders as has already been stated continued the practice. Of course, I don't believe this is talking about cooking steaks or hamburgers bought at the butcher and already drained. Even with those cuts of meat you will STILL have a small amount of blood. I think this is talking about draining as much as you can before eating out of respect for life God provided for us to eat. The life is in the blood. We need to respect that.
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  29. thank you for that chart and a great way to understand this topic, blessings and peace to you
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  30. I started this topic, for I had a short time to think about this, and I wanted to bring this up to the people and believers, we are told let us repent and follow Jesus , and we are to follow in the ways as spoken of in the bible and the scriptures and by the teachings we are given , and the examples and stories , and parables, and the pictures of Old, for some they know what I am saying,? we are given commandments and teachings , and given the picture of agape love on the cross, Jesus hanging ,beaten and dying for you and me, a christian following for we are known as Christians ,for we follow Christ, ? so when Jesus says , do you not sit down, and count the costs ? we need to know what we are doing as believers and , that we are told to deny the self, and follow him, this would mean, that we need to love God, more then our family , we need to not be of the world, but suffer what it is in the world , the hate, the persecution, of what you believe ,and even death for His name sake, but we look at the topics, and many are saying we escape , we don't go through this , and we are not going to suffer that ? but have we really understood what we have set our selves up for ? and that the world is evil and wicked, and satan rules it, right now ? do we not know what is required of us , to have faith and believe in God and Jesus ? do we know the costs ? can we honestly say with our lips ,I am a believer , but when the hard times come ,and we are hard pressed , we still say we are followers and believers ? do we believe in God, are we willing to do what it takes to be doers of the word, and not fall away ? if it be to lose our job , house and so on,? I see in a lot of post , that we are following , but i don't think, many know what the cross really requires and demands, of you and me,? and I believe this is where it separates, the real and true believer from a luke warm or a person of lip service,? Jesus, and throughout the bible .tells us , we need to be ready , and prepared , and a lot of things , like entering into a war zone, so let us be ready , and let us not give up hope, and we need to make God our life, for the times are coming and we will be tested , this I believe to be a fact , if it be now or later, we are all accountable and must be ready , in mind body and spirit , thank you for your time.
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  31. I will have to dis agree, and agree with you at the same time if this be what scripture is saying, for it is a holy spiritual seed, that is seed to the womb of mary to produce a child for it could not have been 100% flesh and 100% God, if it was not of a spiritual seed, which it had to be a holy spirit , mixed in with the blood line of david, for it was about saving the blood line from the evil one, and still being God in the flesh?, but then it states in a couple of my bibles , ? that the holy ghost or spirit , jumped into the womb of the virgin, mary , so this is a mystery in it self, but God became a man and Yet He was God also, in the flesh,. so How does that , show us about how , Jesus or Immanuel came about, for He was raised as a normal boy from small to adult, but He was like a created being of like no other, to be human flesh and yet divine, I believe we should start a thread just on this , well if you have anymore in sight to this that be great, ,for my dictionary and bibile dictionays do not have conceived in it as it states in the bible, and so that was my two cents, blessings and peace..
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  32. this is true, , for everyone, is not seeing that the two that was is actually scattered far more then ever , and that the Gentiles today are a major part of the two, the converted, and the spirit filled,and the original branches and I believe even though it is to be focused on Israel as prophecy has given us to watch, Israel is under judgment, today,even though not all of Israel is of the true following, and that it will be of a small remnant from there , and many that are in the land, are not of the true and living God, and so of the Gentile, or = nations other then the nation of israel, there is the twelve tribes I believe that the 144,000 will come out of, and then the nations of the redeemed , all that call on the name and believe shall be saved, for this is the promise given, to all that also believe and places there faith in, for God will not turn His back on anyone that is seeking Him, for God is a just God, and all of the events ,will end as the enemy surrounds Israel and Yashua comes with His angels and the brightness of His coming, and destroys , the evil once and for all, this is what I see in scripture as it is to unfold, blessings and peace
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  33. thanks that was awesome ,thanks for the information I will save this to my notes, peace and blessings
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  34. I am not separating the church from Israel, but Israel was Jacob, and then you have Judah the split, and then you have the gentiles, we are all woven together by God almighty as a gathering of the branches , and the wild ,and the natural into the olive tree are deeply rooted in our creator, that provides us all we need to grow in wisdom and knowledge of Him. amen
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  35. Israel was not always the church. for Jesus came from Nazareth, and said on peter on this rock I will build my church, for it was Israel was the chosen people of God, He wanted to use the small little country smaller then all the rest, so God could show them ,the people of the world How,mighty and glorious power, from a small place of people to the world, and to show us agape love, and also knew that rome, was a key player in the plan of God, and we see it today , how it all comes full circle, praise God in the highest for He alone is who we worship and honor.... amen
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  36. no israel was always Jacob . the assembly = church, the church is the spirit filled saints ,the called out ones , the true believers, first the jews then the gentiles, , Now we are one nation, one assembly , under one God, and soon to be all children of God, and members of the new Kingdom. blessings and peace
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  37. thank you ARGOSY, I posted the same in another thread, but if no one looks and reads the scriptures, and sticks to there ways told by man, and the churches teaching of the assumptions then it will not change, for the deception of those that follow the masses are not seeing and refuse to hear or to see, God has dealt a lot with His people and we see why they were placed into slavery and then taught about religious rituals, and made up laws, and so , scripture states that man loves darkness rather then light , and that they can hide with there evil , but in the end it will all come out for what ever is done in secret will be exposed, and for those that have a heart for God, will be saved, and for those that have used Gods word and scripture, by use of intellect to keep others from entering in , like the Pharisees, then they will have there rewards also, for Yeshua said, if you follow me, and want to be true believers and followers , you must exceed the righteous of the Pharisees, so we see, that many defend the jews , Gods people , but not seeing how they have rejected and hated Him to have Him killed, and in to days society, do you not think they would Kill him again ? many are not thinking and seeing the truth , for they are wisked away by sudducing spirits, and satan himself has infiltrated the churches so that Gods people will fall for the lies , just like in the Garden, it is all lies, and the truth no one wants to seek anymore, for a rebellious and perverted evil and wicked generation we live in today , where the right is wrong , and the wrong is right, we are so in the last days, and all must be ready , for our very own lives are going to be the last test of our faith , if we love the world then the love of the father is not in them , scripture, after scripture, of warnings and things of today , blessings, and peace
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  38. that's a great observation, I will have to look into that view, and I think maybe you should if you want it be great to get a topic started on that, it be a great post Last Daze, if you are willing to post it, I will comment to it, this could take a lot of responses, blessings to you brother, and for that thought.
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  39. would all the saints today , not include the tribulation killed saints , ? and do you think, or any one hear be able to make it to the rapture when God comes back, is it possible to still be alive, to see this, or will most of us already be wiped out ?
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  40. if it is two people that come back from the past, and has not tasted death , for the bible says that man is to live once and then judgment, so lets try to see what here fits, this is a future event > there is two of them, and able to shut the sky from rain, turn the water to blood, and kill people with fire out of there mouth , ? that one I don't understand yet ? but these two will for a time is it 3.5 years ? or so ? and then will be killed, and lay in the streets as people celebrate, and then on the third day , they stand up and raise, and are raptured to the heavens, now would this be the same time the believers are raptured, and does this fall with the six seal ? or are we already in heaven, for if the believers are out of the way , then the twop witnesses, are during the tribulation, or of the time of wrath,??? okay, I know we went over this but it makes it very clear the more we pin point these issue down. now I think I said the two if came back my guess would be Elijah and moses, but , it could be Elijah and enoch, moses already died so , the only two is enoch and Elijah , would fire really come out of there mouth or is this a symbolism type thing ? I was just thinking about this ,. and one got any other ideas or comment to this ?
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  41. thank you for your observation and comment, it is appreciated, and I believe you are on the right definition, , I have to read a little more , and study a little more to be sure, but I think you are right , blessings to you
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  42. so if I am reading this and trying to understand this, is there a seed of satan and a seed of God, both in existence in the earth , and that is it possible, that the serpent in the garden, was a meeting of eve and evil to produce cain ? and so abel was killed as we know, so where do we go from here, I am just trying to see where this is going, for I have thought, that me personally ,there is a evil that is of seed in the earth and so , I could be wrong, for I cannot say 100% but , I believe we not only have a evil spirit of wickedness, but a possible seed of wicked one the children of the evil may exist ? I believe this is the most dynamic, post, yet, for it will and should bring to light, maybe what we have not really understood, or have been able to explore ? thank you for the responses, and so lets examine the statements more, I believe there is more meaning in the parables, and scripture, then we really understand, God will give us wisdom, and will show us what we need to know, blessings
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  43. the two witnesses , I know that Jesus said that before I come that Elijah would come first would this be as a prophet for the two witnesses or was it fulfilled with moses and Him with Jesus on the mountain of transfiguration, this needs to be taken into account, thank you and here you go Reinitin, please feel free to place a comment or point of view, thank you and peace to you
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  44. this is showing that God himself is joining all people to Him and to be one as the called out one for Him, Now in the new testament we have peter in acts 10 , learning the vision, of its interpretation, which is consistant to the gentiles being one with the jews under the same God with the same ,ways as there is no difference between alien and jew, and that, it was not God that separated jew from Gentile , but it was the jewish leadership that did that, to separate what man was making as law, and what God is saying is His word, it is clear, and not hard to understand this? for many are taking what the jewish leaders were making as law that was not of God word,and so we have clarity,
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  45. I will have to give you this scripture then and it shall clear this up, as i have said KJV Numbers 15:15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD. Numbers 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you. scriptural and what God said that the stranger or alien or Gentile will be under the same as the jew, there is no difference and one God, under the same word and statues, sop it is clear ? American standard says 15 'As for the assembly, there shall be 9one statute for you and for the alien who sojourns with you, a perpetual statute throughout your generations; as you are, so shall the alien be before the LORD. × References for Numbers 15:15 Cross References 444 15:15 - Num 9:14 ; 15:29 16 'There is to be 10one law and one ordinance for you and for the alien who sojourns with you.' " × References for Numbers 15:16 Cross References 445 15:16 - Lev 24:22
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  46. this is exactly what I was trying to bring to the table, for this is what it is , to place God as dealing with the Israel one way and to change and to deal with the Gentiles a complete different , as if there be a agenda for each, this is not what God has talked to us about through the bible and His teachings, it is about bringing the called out ones to Holiness and salvation to a holy and righteous God, and called believers from all over the world . it was originated in the israel geographical area , but it was to preach it to the world and they were to be the focus point of getting Gods will accomplish for the world to see, by using a small land to show that it is about Gods power and not the might of the big dominating countries many fail to see this and want to keep Gods people all separated, but in the end we see that all nations and tribes and tongues are standing around for the glorious blessing of God, and to those that don't believe judgment as they were accounted for , there is no Jew or Greek, it is about one people the called out ones for God, so we have too different and main categories the believer , , and then the non -believer, all fits into one or the other, I rest my case and may God open our eyes to see the love that He has bestowed on you and me and people around the world from every walk of life,
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  47. amen brother, Jesus is the way , and the only way , if we humble ourselves, He is faithful and righteous to forgive and gather us in His arms , and we cry abba, abba, and He hears us...
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  48. yes it is all assumptions and some things we will never know but as long as we focus on jesus that is all that really matters
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  49. I believe that lazarus was to be used as the proof of jesus raising the dead to prove his point that he is God, and He has that power , for in the days of old, the apostles saw and witness jesus and all of his miracles and this gave them the faith and will to preach the word for it was by proof, that they knew that what they were about to do ,going out to preach the word until there death they were confident that jesus would raise them also in time,and that god is all powerful and He does as He says, but I don't know if mosses comes back again, its possible , but I cannot really say,
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  50. I know that Elijah and moses seems to be the best pick for most, and both of them at the mount of transfiguration, with jesus, but moses already died and why would he be brought back again to die over again, could it be by chance any other prophets or persons ? and as it states is it a physical bodies of two people ??? I have heard it put in a symbolistic view, and if we can gather anymore insight to these two , that be great for I know what it is saying and I wanted to know if there be anymore scripture not mentioned yet, thank you everyone
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