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iSAIAH 9:6 KJV For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Merry Christmas to all my Brothers and Sisters in Christ here at Worthy. I am so proud to still be a part of this wonderful ministry after 12 years. I have learned so much and so many of you have blessed me and stood with me in good and the bad times. Thank you. I look forward to the day when we can all be together before our Fathers Throne as we worship and praise the King of King and Lord of Lord. Just think an eternity to get to know one another, I believe to laugh sing and who knows even eat! Thank you for another year of blessings,and may we look forward to the coming year full of promise and maybe even the return of our Lord Jesus Christ. Merry Christmas everyone and have a blessed and wonderful say. Blessings, RustyAngeL I live n Southern California I couldn't find a Christmas Tree. I love you all, RustyAngeL

O.K. I listened to it. It sounds pleasant enough. the lyrics, leave much to be desired, and are anything but scriptural, but, it never claims to be a worship song, etc. I like the song, "Hotel California" by the Eagles, and while the lyrics are interesting, they are not uplifting in any way, shape of form. Bible, by Ghost B.C. Kind of goes beyond even that, seeming to suggest a two things, one, an account similar to the Genesis account of creation (except all messed up), and what appears to be a lament or plea for Babylon. Babylon, in the Bible, is frequently refered to in terms of idolotry, rebellion against God, even called a whore. Sorry, this song is not going to make it into my greatest hits list. Question for your, are you really interested in what people have to say on the topic? It sounds to me, more like your mind is made up, and looking for a way to justify what you think, is a poor idea, and even seemingly want to promote the song. Now honestly, am I wrong here?

God's word gives a parable about those who were apostles with Jesus and yet they walked away from him and his ministry. To which one of the apostles said, they left the discipleship because they were never truly one with the master. Those who believe we save ourselves are deluded. We are saved as the Bible's words tell us, not by our will! But by the grace of God. God calls to him whom he will to be saved. Jesus came to save the sinners, not the righteous. Jesus' sheep know his voice. And that is why they come to him, the eternal shepherd. Those whom God has called to him arrive in his hand and no one shall cast them out. When the eternal all knowing Word that was In The Beginning, says no one will cast us out, that means not even we can cast ourselves away. To fall out of eternal life/Salvation in Christ we would have to be able to evict God's Holy Spirit that indwells the believer. That would make our free will more powerful than the God that knew us, the saints that would find our way to salvation, before God created the world we now inhabit more powerful than the God that called us by name to him. He would have had to make a mistake bestowing his grace upon us and promising us eternal salvation, if we could freely give it back. That's simply not what the scriptures say. And that's not what Jesus died on the cross for. Jesus didn't die to give transitory life. He didn't die to give temporary salvation based on our desire to stay saved. Those who believe they have to work their lives away in order to find out if they did a good job in the flesh once they arrive before God in the spirit, so as to know if they worked, deserve, eternal life were never saved in this life. They were deluded, nominal (name) only christians. They followed a lie they thought was the truth. It's called ETERNAL LIFE AND SALVATION BY THE GRACE OF GOD. You and your ego have not a thing to do with it. And if you think you can give it back, be un-reborn, evict the holy spirit, then guess what? You're not a Christian in the first place. You're the example in that parable about those disciples that walked away from Christ because they were never one with him in the first place. Don't ever let anyone tell you eternal life is not eternal. They're lying to you! And their doctrine is of the devil that hopes you believe. It really is as plain and simple as that. Read the Bible! John 3:16. Watch enough American football games and you'll see that scripture held aloft by someone in the stands holding the sign that is the sign to read the Bible. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. That whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have EVERLASTING LIFE!" God said that! He sent his son to prove that. All else is blasphemy and a lie from the pit of Hell. It really is that simple.

Very important question and matter... Let us see how we can think about it: Unbeliever_A is a person of the world, he loves and commits many of the sins we see nowadays in this world, many of these sins which are considered part of the world, are fully tolerated and accepted as a normal activities by its society. Obviously, just because those "activities" are considered normal and acceptable by the world it does not mean they will not be seen by God as a sin or an abomination. Because what is an abomination will always be considered an abomination, the world can change but God will never. Unbeliever_A goes to church, learns about the Word of God, learns about Jesus' story and teachings, he knows about Jesus and decides to accept him as his Lord and Savior. He now is Believer_A from now on. Eventually, Believer_A learns the activities enjoyed and practiced by Unbeliever_A were condemned by his Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Believer_A understands it and now sees it, and decides to act accordingly his Lord, Jesus Christ. Believer_A is now focused and stays in vigilance with the Word of God in his heart, so he won't sin against his Lord Jesus Christ, and His Father. Believer_A is no more willing to fulfill the desires of his flesh, but the will of the Father who is in heaven. We can safely say Believer_A is doing a great job, and his Lord, Jesus Christ is very happy of his effort to walk on the right path. Although Believer_A makes every effort to stay on the right path, he eventually fail in some circumstances, but not because he willfully wished to do so, he learns of his fail and immediately run to his Lord in signal of repentance. Believer_A is not interested in the things Unbeliever_A was so focused into anymore. We can say Believer_A is now truly changed, a new creature, he definitely was born again, and now he is in Christ: "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. - 2 Corinthians 5:17" God bless us all, and that all our desires be His desires... Let us forget the things of the world, and focus on what really matters: The Will of God. Thank you, God! All the glory to God.

MATTHEW [24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The words of Jesus JOHN 10 [14] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. [15] As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [16] And OTHER SHEEP I HAVE, WHICH ARE NOT OF THIS FOLD: THEM ALSO I MUST BRING, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and ONE SHEPHERD. I MUST BRING! Jesus said there were “others” not of the fold of the house of Israel. These “others” are the gentiles that hear His voice. Them also He will bring.... Bring where? Bring to heaven as the raptuist claim? Nope. At the time when Jesus does bring us we will have but ONE SHEPHERD. EZEKIEL 37 [21] And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will GATHER THEM on every side, and BRING THEM INTO THEIR OWN LAND: [22]And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: [23] Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. [24] And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have ONE SHEPHERD: Jesus gathers His people {in the twinkling of an eye} and BRINGS them to Israel, to the kingdom. We will have but ONE SHEPHERD ISAIAH 56 [6] Also THE SONS OF THE STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; [7] EVEN THEM WILL I BRING TO MY HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. [8] The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, YET WILL I GATHER OTHERS TO HIM, beside those that are gathered unto him. Jesus brings them to His Holy Mountain. The kingdom rest. Yes, the “others” {John 10v16} {Isaiah 56v8} are the gentiles Heyvavhey. So when the LAST TRUMPET {1Cor.15} sounds we meet the Lord in the air and Jesus “brings” us to His holy mountain in Jerusalem for the kingdom rest. Not off to heaven as the Rapturist claim.

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merry Christmas to you and everyone here

Isaiah 45:7 King James Bible I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. I recently realized the God I worship wants the Antichrist to reign and wants the Devil and his children to pull their shenanigans. He isn't up there crying crocodile tears. He can make it stop at any time. He can defeat his enemies at the snap of a finger. The Lord is responsible for the light and the darkness, blessed be the name of the Lord! Blessed be his plans. God's will be done!

Yes, but what are you actually hoping to give as answer to the OP question? "Once saved always save"? One can take those out of context verses you pasted either way. As they can the wise builder remark.

we should also de-fund any of the nations that signed it that receives dollars from us.

Look to be led of God. If this has been ongoing on for a while, and you wish to be home, sometimes hot dogs and beans can be more peaceable Christmas dinner that one I originally thought was free, and now feel like a freeloader in a complaining, unhappy, house. Pro 17:1 Better is a dry morsel, and quietness therewith, than an house full of sacrifices with strife. Praying. Keep her in prayer for her salvation!

Eternal salvation. Of course! That's what Jesus gave his life to impart to the world's sinners. He didn't come to save the righteous. The well do not need a physician. Only the sick do. Jesus came to save the sinners. And he died to put their sins under the blood that washed those faults away forever. And he died to give eternal life. That's the good news. All else is not.

Yes I am familiar with that, but don't forget that people really die. Once dead they await judgement, whether they be accepted, or condemned to the lake of fire.

Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. Who delivers the Holy people into his hand but God himself? How could the Antichrist overpower God's people and reign over earth without God wanting him to. Could anyone conquer and rule earth without God's help? Could you imagine how lovable and talented someone would have to be to rule over all nations? No one has ever come close. Where could such gifts and talent come from? Of course you will say the Devil, but could the Devil create such a person so lovable that the whole world (save for the elect) will worship him. I think God gives the Antichrist his Destiny and the gifts to achieve world domination. God has a purpose for everything under the sun, and He has a purpose for the Antichrist as well, don't you think? God clearly wills that the Antichrist reigns, no? Why does God will this?

Joel Pollock (named "one of the most influential people in news media in 2016") with Breitbart New has made some excellent suggestions for Donald Trump to deal with the Obama betrayal of Israel through the UN resolution. For those of you who do not read Breitbart News on a regular basis, this should be a good incentive. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/23/five-ways-trump-will-avenge-anti-israel-un-vote/

I am thankful for you Spiderman1917 that you are in a good place. I praise God for that. I am thankful for my daughter that she lives with me. I am thankful for Jesus great mercy to be and that he always is near. I am thankful for the soon coming of the new heavens and earth that God will make for us where all evil will be gone and goodness will be present. And much more. Merry Christmas to you Spiderman1917 And i hope its a great one. And the same to everyone else. Praise God.

It seems like Mr Obama is trying to throw as many monkey wrenches into the works as he can to complicate and cripple Mr Trumps new administration. I can almost imagine him arranging a nuke strike on North Korea January 19th at 11:59 pm and saying- ": Here Donald, catch"

All things (including all people) are a manifestation of things on high - meaning: all things (including all people) are spirit. But that is not the real question. The real question is, are unbelievers "alive" or "living spiritually?" And the answer is, No.

"Belief" is a peculiar word. I actually don't "believe" in God. I went from not knowing there was a god, to crying out to that unknown god, to Him answering, to "knowing" there is without a doubt a God.

A christian, is not a subjective term. You either one or your not, and you are known by your fruits. It matters not what our definition of a Christian is or what it isn't, whether we think a good christian is a man who keeps his wife at home, is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is if he is a christian according to the Bible's standards.

It is exactly because Trump does NOT play by the rules that he became the President. In fact, he is going to throw out many of the "rules" that have been destroying America. You should be grateful that he is not taking $400,000 or whatever from the public coffers to line his pockets. Instead you are raising objections. Unbelievable!

There's your answer. Also he will take just $1/year as his salary.

General observation is more than enough. Politicians generally make all kinds of promises to get votes, but rarely deliver. Remember the promises of Obamacare?

Hi Ezra. Antichrist’s great power will not be his own but will be in accord with the activity of Satan. The Antichrist’s miracles, signs, and wonders are false not in the sense that they are fakery but that they lead to false conclusions about who he is. They will cause people to believe the lie that he is a divine being and worship him. John saw that Antichrist’s deluded followers “worshiped the beast, saying, ‘Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?’ ” (Revelation 14:4). Revelation 13: 11-18, KJV. 13. And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. V. 12, And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. V. 13, And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, V. 14, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. V. 15, And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. V. 16, And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive5 a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: V. 17, And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or THE NAME, of the BEAST, or THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME. V. 18, Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: FOR IT IS TNE NUMBER OF A MAN; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. The Antichrist, a man, will reign over only ten kingdoms that are yet to be formed inside the yet to be revived, Old Roman Empire. (Dan. 7:23-24). Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him. (Rev.13:1; 17:12-17). Certain countries will escape his rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44). Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territory and never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator. Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so. The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21). This further limits the kingdom of the Antichrist to only part of the world and also limits his ability to kill everyone who does not take the mark even in his own empire. According to Rev. 14:9-11 no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell. That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed, as taught by many Bible students. If the Antichrist were to kill every person who does not take his mark, and God sends to Hell everyone who does take the mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium. Also, The mark of the beast will not be 666. There are three brands men will have a choice of taking in the days of the Antichrist inside his kingdom. T hey are his name, his mark, and the number of his name (Rev. 13:16-18). The name and mark of this man is not given in scripture; so no one will know what they are until he comes and men get to know what his name and mark will be, and what he will chose to put on his followers. The only one of these three brands that is given is the number of his name, and that is stated as being 666 in Rev. 13:18. So 666 is not the name or mark of THE BEAST. It is the NUMBER OF THE BEAST. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Regarding the Antichrist ruling the "WHOLE WORLD," the scriptures speak in context of the whole world as was then known. For example, regarding the Extent of Antichrist's Reign (Rev. 13:5-18) (Dan.7:23). The question often arises, "Will the Antichrist have power over all kindreds, tongues, and nations, and will all that dwell on Earth worship him?" While this can generally be answered in the affirmative, still much depends on what is meant by all. If all is used in the most inclusive sense and is meant to include every individual in the known world today, we can say that he will not have this power, but if it is taken to mean all that God has in mind-the latter day ten kingdoms of old Rome--we can say that all will include all affected by the decree made by the Antichrist in his empire. The following points from scripture prove that the Antichrist will not rule over America or be a World Wide Dictator as many students of prophecy teach. 1. The word all in Rev.13 is simply part of the figure of speech called "synecdoche" in which a part is used for a whole and a whole for a part. It is frequently used in scripture as in the following examples: 1."I even I do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, where in is the breath of life, from under heaven; and EVERY THING that is in the earth shall die" (Gen.6:17). If we look at this literally as men do Rev.13, we would have Noah and his family and all the animals in the ark dead, for they were also under the Heaven and in the earth and yet did not die. 2. " And they utterly destroyed ALL THAT WERE IN THE CITY, both men and women" referring to the people in Jerico when the wall fell, but "all" here must be understood in a limited sense, for Rahab and all her people were spared (Josh. 6:21-25). 3. "David and ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL played before the Lord" and brought up the ark" (2 Sam.6:5,15). yet not all Israel did this, for many did not know how to play instruments and many were too young and still many more were not even gathered at that one place. 4. "Six months did Joab remain there [out of his own country] with ALL ISRAEL untill he had cut off every male in Edom" (1 Kings 11:16,17). The "ALL ISRAEL" referred to here is part of the army of Israel. 5. In Rom.1:8 Paul said, "Your faith is spoken of throughout the WHOLE WORLD," but we know he meant only that the local church at Rome was known by many in the various parts of the Roman Empire. Multitudes outside of Rome, and even many inside the Empire of Rome had never yet heard of the Christian faith, much less of the local church at Rome. The same thing is true of Col. 1:23 where we read that the gospel had been "Preached to EVERY CREATURE UNDER HEAVEN" and in Rom. 10:18 it was preached "INTO ALL THE EARTH" and ''UNTO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD" The gospel has not even yet been taken to all nations, so we know the whole world was not evangelized in Paul's day. 6. In Acts 11:28 we read of a dearth [famin] "THROUGHOUT ALL THE WORLD" which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar. That famin did not cover every part of the Roman Empire much less all continents and islands of the world. Many hundreds of examples can be given to demonstrate the word ALL is used in a figurative sense of a part, so we do not need to believe that Rev.13 and Dan.7:23 means that the Antichrist of the future will literally reign over all the earth and kill all who do not take his mark. We must, therefore, understand the way the word "all" is supposed to be understood in a particular scripture. If it means ALL in the all inclusive sense then there will be no limitations to it in the passage itself or in other scriptures on the same subject. If it means ALL of what it has reference to specifically and it is clear that it means a part of something and this is made clear in the passage itself or in other passages on the same subject, then we must be sensible to recognize the fact that ALL is not inclusive of all men on earth. For example, when Paul said of God that it was His will that "ALL men come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim.2:24), we know that this means ALL MEN without exception. But when we read of ALL MEN being baptized of John and in the same passage and in other passages on the subject, it is made clear that many were not baptized, then we take it as a figurative statement expressing that a great many in the region were baptized of John. We can see in both Testaments that God used universal terms in speaking of the extent of certain kingdoms and the powers of certain kings. We can also see that these terms show that only a great part of the earth was ruled by these kings and empires. We can therefore logically conclude that the extent of Antichrists kingdom and power could likewise be limited to a part of the world. Because we can find a number of scriptures limiting his power and authority to a part of the Earth, and they plainly tell us what part of the Earth will be under him and what part will not be under him then we must limit the "ALL" of Rev.13 and Dan. 7:23 to what territory he rules over and not make it universal as many prophetical students do.

This is quite incorrect. The Antichrist and the Beast of Revelation 13 are identical, and the Beast rules and controls THE WHOLE WORLD for 3 1/2 years. Please note (Rev 13:4-8): 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. [3 1/2 years] 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. [NOTE] 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him [NOTE], whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. As to why God gives him this power, it is essentially to test all mankind, to see who will try to preserve their lives by worshiping Satan, and who will reject the Antichrist and be martyred for their faith in God.

The Antichrist will not rule the whole world or be a world wide dictator as many teach and believe, although his wars in the middle east will cause disruption in world wide trade, oil etc. Scripture shows he will only reign over ten kingdoms that will yet be formed inside the Old Roman Empire territory (Dan. 7:23-24). Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him (Rev. 13:1; 17:12-17). Certain countries WILL ESCAPE his rule (Dan. 11:40-44). Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Read Dan. 11:40-44). If he was ruling the whole world this could not happen. Because he will rule and reign only over ten countries inside the Old Roman Empire territory, and because America never was or ever will be inside that territory, and because certain countries escape the antichrist, we can Scripturally conclude and be at ease that he will not come from, or rule America, or even be a world wide dictator. Hundreds of millions of people will never take his mark either. We have seen that many nations will not be under his rule, so naturally people in these countries, America included, will not have to take his mark and they will therefore not be killed. The Bible teaches that many peoples of "all nations," that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Read Zech 14:16-21). This again further limits the kingdoms of the Antichrist to only a part of the world and limits his ability to kill everyone who does not take the mark, even in his own empire. According to Revelation 14:9-11, no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell. That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed. If the Antichrist ruled the entie world as many people believe, and he killed everyone who did not take his mark, and the Lord Jesus sends to Hell everyone who has taken the antichrists mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium? And this would be contrary to Zech. 14:16-21; Matt. 25:31-46; Isa. 2:1-4 and many Scriptures.

I am thankful for having a Christian family that love the Lord and have always taught me to trust in and serve the Lord. I am most thankful for my salvation and the price Jesus paid for me on the cross. The Lord has blessed me in so many ways it's hard to mention them all here. He's given me a hunger to learn more about Him everyday and understanding of the things I read. He's also givenme many oppurtunities to serve Him and lead others to Him.

For what it's worth, here's my view: God is a just and Holy God, sin and rebellion must and will be punished by the wrath of God. Our Lord is long suffering and patient, but look at where the world is today compared to past history. It's my belief the seven year tribulation starts at the signing or affirming of a seven year peace deal (existing or new) by the Antichrist. I have no doubt there will be tribulation going on the first three and a half years (look at the tribulations that are now occurring), but the last three and a half years, after the Antichrist commits the Abomination of Desolation at the Temple. Woe, woe, woe... As I previously mentioned, the tribulation (or Daniel's 70th week) is an outpouring of God's wrath and judgement on the Godless world. It is to get Israel to see the mistake they made rejecting the first coming of the Messiah. To repent and earnestly call upon the Name of the Lord for His return. Satan and his minions know their time is very short, and God allows Satan (the current god of this world) to show his true colors. That's my hermeneutical view anyway.

You know your are both right in all reality. There is a 7 Year Period as Daniel prophesied and the Wrath is 3 1/2 years. But can't the whole 7 years be Jacobs troubles ? See my point ? The Anti-Christ might very well/will be manipulating Israel, pressuring them into a bad Agreement/Security Deal. You can have a "Troubling period" with out going through Wrath. I think the whole 7 Year period is designed to get Israel to repent, which they do, before the Abomination O.D. happens.

Because they choose to by not believing. What do you believe?

Really disagree with you guys here. Almost without fail when I discuss "following Jesus" with a non believer, their first subject is how could your loving God let such things happen.... and if you don't have an answer the conversation is over before it even begins.

I so much agree with you Mega,Spiderman needs to change his choice of focus. Spiderman , I do understand that you are trying to understand why God is allowing some things to happen, it is not up to us to understand everything as somethings are a mystery to us but it is up to us to live the Christian life and to glorify God and Spiderman you really should change your focus and praising God just for who He is and how much of a wonderful Savior He is. Why not start a thread about how good God is and don't mention all the trouble in the world and the world evil ? ( We know it exist, by doing this it will lift your mood and your focus, dwell on Gods goodness and all the wonderful things He had done ! Can you make a thread where we can praise God and focus on His love?

I want to better understand who God is and why he wills that there be so much evil in our world... understanding that mystery means a lot to me

I am not aware that the Bible really explains everything about why God does some things spiderman, and where He is silent, I am also. Some things are given to us for our understanding, others are His business, not ours. I am satisfied to accept what He says, and see no reason to speculate about His motives. Why have a Hell, for example, why create people who are just going to go there anyway? Search me! I just accept that His ways are unsearchable, and I have no need to know. Almost as mysterious, why do you keep asking questions that have no bearing on how we live our lives, how to be better people, how to reach others, how to help others, etc? Have long wondered about your choice of focus!

That is what your interpretation of what the Bible tells you, not what the Bible itself, actually says. . The Bible says there is a 7 year period, true. The Bible says there is a Great Tribultion, but that is what happens IN a period of time, it is not THE period of time. Jesus refers to the Great tribulation, as being in the second half, of a 7 year period. The Bible never says that the Great Tribulation, is 7 years in length, never calls the 7 years "the tribulation", and never refers to the tribulation as God's wrath, nor does it refer to the 7 years, as God's wrath. Wrath, does not always belong to God. The dragon has it's own wrath, mankind has wrath also. Wrath, like tribulation, is a feature in time, not the time itself. See the difference? Since you decided to inject your opinion about scripture as though it is that same as what scripture teaches, I will also point people to some thoughts about it, if they choose to look: http://omegazine.com/nutshell.html (Comparison of post-trib rapture THEORY with actual scipture) and http://omegazine.com/eschatology/bibledoesnotsay.html (things that the Bible does not say, about the end times)

That is what the Bible tells me.

That is a theological opinion, and perhaps it would better be stated as such, and not as thought that is a certain fact, just sayin'!

The Antichrist is seen in the seven year tribulation upon this earth. The tribulation is God's wrath on sin and unbelievers.

Well your understanding is just not factual. Paul spoke of the HARPAZO or Snatching away by force, 2000 years ago. In the Latin Vulgate bible written in the year 400ish the Greek Word HARPAZO was translated to RAPIO, meaning the same thing. Then of course about a 1000 years latter the English versions used SNATCHED AWAY........The English word for RAPIO became RAPTURE which means SNATCHED AWAY. You are having a problem it seems with translations. I know the Church will be Raptured because Paul spoke it, and it fits like a glove when you put the bible together. Remember, it is not for Israel per se, maybe for a few Messianic Jews, thus its not in the Old Testament at all (they are told about Jacobs Trouble or the Tribulation) , that is why Paul said, I TELL YOU A MYSTERY (Musterion = Secret) we shall not all die, but some will be changed in the Twinkling of an Eye....... That is the Rapture. We can look at all kind of kooky sites, I can pretty much show why each of their points is off base. They have the ole line "The Tares and the Wheat grow together until the end".....Thus there can be no RAPTURE. What they don't get is the Wheat is Israel, the Tares are the Wicked, the Church is Raptured to Heaven. Jesus came to Minister to the Lost Sheep of Israel, ONLY...He said that himself. His prophecies are about Israel. Proof that the Wheat is Israel is : If the Rapture was PRE, MID or POST, we still go to meet the lord in the Air, thus we would not Grow Together until the Lord Returned, for in Rev. 19, we Marry the Lamb before we return. This is the deal, the Church is Raptured, we Marry the Lamb (Rev. 19) we return on White Horses with Jesus Christ, IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation, we destroy the Wicked, and God has been protecting Israel in the Wilderness for 1260 Days, he now invites them UNTO HIS BARN......Into the Family of God. AMEN. Israel are the Wheat.

Have you considered Job? God did not do a thing against Job. He allowed Satan to test Job, knowing the end results. Job came out being closer to God and trusting Him more. Job had a much better picture of God than he did before the testing. God allowing the anti-Christ to test the end time people is the same idea. Satan will sift out the true believers from the false. Have you considered 2 Thessalonians 2 where we read that there will be a great falling away before His return? How do you think this falling away happens?

We have OT history how God dealt with Israel. He caused the heathen to come against them, in hope they would turn to him. Mostly generally troubles brings a prayer for help, when it gets serious they will do anything to survive. God has and will again raise up and allow the adversary the Devil to stir the minds of the people. Its seems the love of God isn't enough. Just a thought.

How do you know the Church will be raptured? If the rapture theory is a true Biblical teaching. Why was it not well known and popularized until the early 20th century? http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/rapture-theory-false.html

The Church is Raptured. The "Holy people" is Israel, the Anti-Christ Conquers them, just like all the 6 other Beasts/Heads of the Seven Headed Beast (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome). This is a part of Israels punishment or Daniels 70 Weeks Judgment. The Church (Pentecost Age/Feast of Pentecost/Harvest years) is Raptured, the Trump (Feast of Trumpets) sounds, ending Pentecost and signifying that ATONEMENT for Israel (Feast of Atonement) is at hand. Then of course we have the Feast of Tabernacle, and tabernacle means = Dwells with God. So after Israel repents, God protects them in the Wilderness for 1260 days from the Anti-Christ, even though he Conquers their land. Then in the end Israel will Dwell with God. Israel must Repent, and except Jesus as their Messiah, and they will.

God Allowing things & "wanting" or His Will,is totally different.......not everything that happens is from God but He does Allow certain things & He Will use them for His Plans & Purpose,in the end all things will lead to His Glory & every knee will bow at His Feet....

Blessings lost Welcome to Worthy,I'm not sure how you see a contradiction .....in Duet 10:5 we see the LAW given to man,God is making this covenant with man,giving hi 10 Commandments to abide by THe 2nd VERSE is not the 2nd Commandment so,I think that may be where the confusion lies,correct me if I am not understanding what you are asking.....the 2nd of the 10 Commandments is... I do believe got questions explained this part pretty well....perhaps this will help' I think you were given a poor answer by others & I can understand why you would think it made little sense..... As far as your question about "adding" to the Word of God,I agree with you.....when anyone assumes what the Scriptures mean by leaning on their OWN understanding they can easily mis-interpret,mis-understand & mis-apply....that is why we must seek God & pray Holy Spirit to Reveal Gods Truth to us ....just as Omegaman has said also With love-in Christ,Kwik

Our New Testament teaches us that "Jesus is the author and finisher of our FAITH"... and that "God who began a good work (Salvation) in us will be FAITHFUL TO COMPLETE IT". So, once a believer is born again, then our redemption is completed........this is why we are Save(D)........= salvation is NOT temporary, as the Blood of Jesus is not a "temporary fix" of our sins. A lot of believers have this idea that their faith SAVES them, but actually GOD SAVED THEM, when they had a "decision moment" of Trust in Jesus. We dont keep ourselves saved by confessing sins and worrying about "do i still believe it", but rather God holds unto us......and this is called REDEMPTION <><> THE ATONEMENT.

Another good point. The New Birth is irreversible (John 1:12,13). Just like a baby cannot be unborn, a child of God cannot be unborn, but remains a child of God eternally.

The Scriptures you have quoted have no direct bearing on the eternal security of the believer. Since eternal life is God's gift to the sinner who repents and believes, it is eternally secure (Rom 6:23).