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How long do people think the can play" God "? The Tower of Babel Genesis 11 :1-9 11 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,[a] they found a plain in Shinar and settled there. 3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.” 5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” 8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

You are painting your statements with a very wide brush. I, for one, know nobody who thinks they are as righteous as God. All one has to do is accept the gift of salvation. Unless one accepts a gift, they have not received it and cannot claim the gift as theirs. Is there something else you are trying to say, as I don't think I have understood everything you posted above.

I wold disagree. Paul preached the very same message, but to a different group, the Gentiles. Can you show us through the use of scripture how Paul was teaching a different message, as you are claiming?

I am locking this thread since there is another thread in Controversial Issues. MG, I moved your OP there.

Hello Tinyprayers Welcome to Worthy It really started all in Genesis where Eve got tempted to be like God : The Fall Genesis 3 1Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” 2The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” 6When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Hello Salena, you asked how do we know God is speakingto us? We have to be very careful and test everything by the Word of God so we know for sure it's God speaking to us. Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. John 4:1 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrew 4:12 God conversed with Adam in the first garden. He told Noah to build an ark. He spoke to Moses in a burning bush. He promised Abraham a son. Paul heard His voice on the way to Damascus. But does God still speak to us today? If so, how? When? Where? Often when people ask this question, they are talking about an audible voice. And God can do that. He can do anything He wants. He’s God. Why then, can’t I hear God speak to me audibly, someone might ask? I can’t answer questions that the Bible does not make clear. And the way God works is one of those questions. I do think “hearing God speak” may mean different things to different people. To some, it may suggest, “I need answers for my life, or this particular crisis.” Another may say, “I’ve asked God for _________, but He never answers me." God treats each of us as unique children. None of us are cookie-cutter Christians. Because of that, God doesn’t “speak” the same way to all of us. However, here are eight ways God often uses to communicate with us. 8 Ways God Speaks to Us Today 1. Through His Word in general. 2 Timothy 3:16 says that all Scripture is “God-breathed.” His Word sometimes gives us a warning, a word of encouragement, or a lesson for life. It’s ”His-story”–written with love as God’s guide for life, “so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” That means God is whispering, and sometimes shouting, all through His Word, giving us instructions and principles for life. As we interpret Scripture by other Scripture, we avoid the false logic and misinterpretations that sneak into our world. If someone claims, “God told me to go kill my neighbor!” would you believe him? Of course not! God never violates His own Word or principles. That “voice” does not belong to God. I needed help for raising my children. God “told” me about that in His Word, especially in proverbs. Marriage difficulties? God spoke about that as well. Times when I was afraid? I “heard” Jesus’ words to His disciples as they feared for their lives one stormy night: “Peace, be still!” and it was as if God was speaking to me, too (Luke 8:23-25). 2. Through His Son, Jesus Christ The New Testament was the fulfillment of God’s special plan. It’s the gospel: the good news of Jesus Christ. “In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by His Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe” Hebrews 1:1-2, NIV). Through the words of Jesus in Scripture, we can “hear” God’s heart and God’s voice–and know what God is truly like. These words were not written for a few, select individuals who could jump through the right spiritual hoops (“For God so loved the world…”). Someone in Africa, in Germany, in China, and in Alabama can “hear” Jesus’ voice by reading the same Bible. Comparing us to sheep and He as the Shepherd, Jesus says inJohn 10:27, NKJV: “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” Why? Because the sheep know who He is. They belong to Him, and they recognize Him by the sound of His voice. And He’s the one who will always lovingly lead them on the right path–again and again. 3. Through Nature and God’s Creation “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse ” Romans 1:20, NIV). Through the intricate details and magnificent beauty of all that God has made, we can “hear” His voice. How? By observing the ant’s strength to store up food all summer long, we learn about wisdom and industriousness. By studying the heavens, we understand more of God’s greatness. And through planting and growing a garden, we “hear” about miracles of death and rebirth. God designed–and spoke them all into existence. 4. Through Other Believers God may use a friend, a teacher, a parent, or a preacher to convey His message of truth to us. Their words may come as a warning, a blessing, or as a prophetic truth about our lives.Whether we choose to hear it or ignore it, depends on us. Do their words line up with Scripture? Will God confirm or affirm that truth in us? “The wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial, and sincere” (James 3:17, NIV). I’ve “heard” God speak to me numerous times through other people. A good friend once cautioned me about flirting with danger. Words from a speaker or Christian author have both challenged me and convicted me at times. And I’ve “heard” God talking to me through my own children as their pure and honest words cut clear to my heart and spirit, reminding me of God’s true priorities. All these things may not sound to you like ways of ”hearing God’s voice,” but it’s possible to reduce God to our own image if we insist on Him acting or reacting a certain way. God is bigger than that. He once spoke through a donkey (Numbers 22:28). Why then, can’t He speak through anyone at anytime or in any way He wants to? Bottom line is that if we are His children, God loves us unconditionally and will spare no expense to show us. Our part? Believe Him! Hearing His “audible” voice would no doubt cinch His reality in an awesome way. But I’ve never heard God through an angel’s message. I have no taped recordings to tell you what God sounds like. But I have heard God “speak” through the above ways–and in a few more. Read on. 5. Through Music Perhaps one of the ways I can sense God’s presence the most and “hear” His voice the best is when I am praising Him through music. Maybe it’s because in times of depression and difficult trials in the past, I would pour over David’s songs in Psalms, often singing them back to God with my own tunes. Praise brings me instantly to attention, like a sergeant’s command to his soldiers. The words and the notes bring a soothing comfort, excitement, and passion that open my ears and heart and lift my spirits immediately. In 2 Chronicles 20, King Jehoshaphat faced a huge army of enemies who could have easily destroyed His people, but he did a strange thing. With a declaration that his eyes were on God, he sent in a choir of praise singers: “Jehoshaphat appointed men to sing to the LORD and to praise him for the splendor of his holiness as they went out at the head of the army, saying: ‘Give thanks to the LORD, for his love endures forever’” (2 Chronicles 20:21, NIV). God “spoke” clearly. He released His power, and Jehoshaphat’s army defeated their enemies! 6. Through Circumstances When others claim to hear God through circumstances, I try to caution them to test their conclusions with other evidence. God is a Holy God, and often uses circumstances to get our attention. But He will usually confirm it in other ways. This happened to us before my husband and I married. We were dating in high school and were both involved in what could have been a deadly accident, when a speeding pick-up hit our car broadside. Through that accident, my husband felt God had a special purpose for his life. Did he “hear” God’s literal “Yes?” No, but through much prayer, seeking God’s Word, and talking to others, he felt God’s confirmation. Several months later, he committed his life to full-time Christian service. Someone once told me they just knew God was telling them it was okay to buy a brand-new pickup. They’d prayed about it, and circumstances confirmed it: the local car dealership had just the color and model they wanted. But there was one small problem they were neglecting. They couldn’t afford it on their income. And they ignored other red flags as well. Through Moses, God used circumstances (plagues) to convince Egypt’s leader to release God’s people from slavery. But Pharaoh wouldn’t listen. Sometimes God uses our circumstances to test our faith. We don’t always know how to interpret the things that happen to us. I recently took my first trip in an ambulance to the local ER–unfortunately as a patient. My pulse, along with my blood pressure, dropped dangerously low. For several minutes my world looked like a spinning photo negative. Scary, to say the least. Four hours of testing later found no cause as to why it happened. The doctor pronounced me healthy and sent me home, after encouraging me to get a follow-up–which I did. Nothing showed up. I don’t know if God was speaking to me about something special, but the first thing I did was tell Him I was listening! If nothing else, life–and loved ones–suddenly became much more precious to me. One of the first things I usually ask God when circumstances change is: “God, is there something you want to teach me through this?” Yes, I know everything is “fodder” for writers. But I want to make it personal and learn the lesson first. 7. Through His Spirit I once heard someone teach about “minding the checks” in your spirit. Some may call it “God’s whispers,” while others say, “God’s still, small voice.” We are made in the image of God, and when we confess Jesus and follow Him as our Lord and Savior, His Spirit comes to live in us (John 14:17, 1 Corinthians 3:16). God’s Spirit speaks to us through our conscience, helping to make the right decision. When we’re tempted, that same Spirit warns and nudges us to do the right thing. As a writer, I depend on God’s Spirit to give me direction. There are times when ideas pop into my mind totally unexpectedly–and sometimes directly after a plea for help from God. The good ideas I credit to God, because after all, He is the source of every good and perfect gift. The others? They’re in file 13. Even the good ones need developing and rewriting, but that’s a different subject. Why do you suppose ten people can “hear” a sermon, but each person will walk away with a different truth that applies to him? In some cases, the speaker never spoke what the people say they “heard.” Many times, that may be the result of God’s Spirit speaking a personal “Rhema,” a living, breathing word of truth to our spirits. It’s when Scripture comes alive to us–because it is truly “God-breathed.” 8. Through Prayer Each way I’ve shared that God may speak to us today meshes into the other. God often speaks to us through His Spirit, through prayer. We may not know how to pray, but God’s Word tells us His spirit makes intercession for us (Romans 8:26-27). Often through a combination of fasting and prayer, our minds become clearer and our hearts are more sensitive to God. Again, we may not hear God’s literal voice, but His Spirit confirms a certain direction or answer for us. As the distractions fade, we can sense His leading in a new way. Sometimes while praying, God’s Spirit will remind us of a Scripture or a truth in His Word that we can directly apply to the situation. Does that happen immediately? Not always. There have been occasions where I still had no clue what to do, but in faith I thanked God whenever and however He would answer. A day, a week, maybe even months pass. Then one day in the shower or on a walk, a thought comes–that gentle “whisper” that could only come from Him, accompanied by His peace. You Are Unique Does God speak to all of us the same way? No, we are all unique. Are these the only ways God speaks today? No. He’s a creative God. He speaks so many ways, including through miracles. In other countries where Christianity is taboo, God is also revealing Himself repeatedly through dreams. Report after report confirms that an unbeliever who has never heard of Jesus dreams of Him–but doesn’t know who the “man” is–or what the dream means. Then a messenger comes, shows a film about Jesus’ death and resurrection, and the one who has dreamed recognizes the man in his dream: It’s Jesus, the Son of God! Remember One Truth Regardless of the way God chooses to reveal Himself or “speak” to us today, remember one truth. He will never contradict His Word, and the message He gives will always bring glory to God. The Bible warns about adding anything to the already written, God-breathed Word of God, or accepting any other messenger who claims to be superior to Jesus (Revelation 22:18-19;2 Corinthians 11:4). http://www.crosswalk.com/faith/spiritual-life/8-ways-god-speaks-to-us-today.html

One more argument for border enforcement. These two are here illegally. https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-suspected-ms-13-gang-223248529.html

"Israel had won the diplomatic war. "It was a strange victory, however. Netanyahu was never able to let the public know what was happening. "Had he informed the public, the knowledge that the US was backing Hamas would have caused mass demoralization and panic. So Netanyahu had to fight the diplomatic fight of his life secretly." http://unitycoalitionforisrael.org/?p=15700367?utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=nl_open&utm_medium=email

12 hrs ago. Mass grave of up to 800 children found underground at a former home for unmarried mothers and their babies in Ireland A "significant" quantity of human remains has been discovered in "underground chambers" at a former home for unmarried mothers and their babies in Ireland. A commission set up to investigate alleged abuse at religious-run so-called mother and baby homes has been carrying out an excavation at the former Catholic Church institution in Tuam, Co Galway. It said it was "shocked" by the discovery of "significant quantities of human remains" in at least 17 of 20 underground chambers being excavated in recent weeks. "A small number of remains were recovered for the purpose of analysis," the Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes said. "These remains involved a number of individuals with age-at-death ranges from approximately 35 foetal weeks to 2-3 years. "Radiocarbon dating of the samples recovered suggest that the remains date from the time frame relevant to the operation of the mother and baby home." The Tuam home operated from 1925 to 1961. A number of the samples are likely to date from the 1950s, according to the commission. "The Commission is shocked by this discovery and is continuing its investigation into who was responsible for the disposal of human remains in this way," it said in a statement. A plaque erected in memory of up to 800 children who were allegedly buried at the site of the former home for unmarried mothers run by nunsCredit: AFP "Meanwhile, the commission has asked that the relevant State authorities take responsibility for the appropriate treatment of the remains." A coroner has been notified. Ireland's Children's Minister Katherine Zappone TD described the discovery as "very sad and disturbing news." "It was not unexpected as there were claims about human remains on the site over the last number of years," she said. "Up to now we had rumours. Now we have confirmation that the remains are there, and that they date back to the time of the mother and baby home, which operated in Tuam from 1925 to 1961." The minister urged a sensitive and respectful response to the discovery. http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/mass-grave-of-up-to-800-children-found-underground-at-a-former-home-for-unmarried-mothers-and-their-babies-in-ireland/ar-AAnMSFe?li=AAavLaF&ocid=spartanntp

'Ring of fire' solar eclipse will blaze across the Southern Hemisphere https://www.yahoo.com/news/ring-fire-solar-eclipse-blaze-122706878.html

Please see the video section to view. Comment as you like. It is truly revealing where we at as we are shown .But what is not shown may be even more astounding.

In 1 samuel 28: verses 12 and 14.In verse 12 It says the witch cried out and said it was a trick.If it was just her familiar why the scream?Also how did she not know it was saul until she thought she saw samuel?.Also it says in verse 14 that saul perceived it was samuel.What does verse 14 mean by the word perceived?

Indeed they are. But still the leftists want to give them a free pass into the country. There is no way to fathom the stupidity of those who fight border enforcement.

That gang is everywhere. We are so stupid.

Notice that there is NOT a "from / to" type sentence there. There is no "to." There will simply not be time from the midpoint for 1290 days before the image is set up. I cannot believe that is the meaning intended. If we read down through the chapter, Daniel saw these terrible things happening, as in 12:1. Then someone asks someone else " How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?" So what is the beginning? Apparently it is 12:1 when the days of great tribulation begin. So my guess is the count is beginning at the midpoint of the week at the time the Beast goes on the rampage. Then Daniel heard the answer: " that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished." Again with our understanding, this count would begin at the midpoint and go to the end, as I read this. Notice, until "all these things shall be finished." I take the finished to be when Christ returns. He puts an end to the Beast. But Daniel still does not understand. So he asks again: "what shall be the end of these things?" Keep in mind, he is thinking of the ENDING with the beginning still being at the midpoint when the Beast begins his war against the saints. Then Daniel hears: (remember, still about the ENDING) " from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." Therefore, I take this to mean, from the beginning, from the time the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is God (the very same day the abomination is set up) so that the daily sacrifices are stopped - from THAT DAY to the day when "all these things shall be finished" will be 1290 days. So the FROM time comes from 12:1. And from the time of the abomination. And from the time the Daily is stopped. (Daniel 9:27 tells us this ceasing of the daily sacrifices is what divides the week into two halves) So FROM the midpoint to the end of these wonders, will be 1290 days. This tells me that the marriage and supper will take 30 days. So from the ending of the week at the 7th vial to the time Jesus returns will be 30 days. It is ONLY A GUESS. Jesus said no one will know the DAY or the HOUR. However, I think those that start expecting him 29 days after the 7th vial will be very close. Perhaps those that are astute and sees three nations overcome rapidly, will think that could well be the man of sin who will turn Beast. I know verse 27 speaks of a covenant, but this may well be done in secret. In that case, one could guess when the 70th week begins by noticing the first few trumpet judgments. I don't think anyone on earth will know when the 7th seal is broken in heaven. I am sure you are missing it on 2 Thes. 2. It is not meant to be a falling away; it is meant to be a very significant DEPARTING. Since the theme of that passage is the gathering, I am convinced the departing is for the gathering. There are several reasons why this should be considered the correct rendering, and we can get into those later if you wish. Perhaps the 1335th day will be the day the Millennial Reign officially begins.

Yeh, the video is indeed disturbing and it is not conspiracy theory, it is plain in sight, surprisingly allowed by the Chinese for the world to see. I bet there are hundreds, if not thousands of underground labs around the world, including the USA, doing similar things .. Sign of the times. What about super soldiers, i hear they are a reality now.

Because it has the fingerprints of Pagan and Babylonian cult activity which is going to be a very important part of the Tribulation.

Christ Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 Alone Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:13-15 Love, Your Brother Joe

Question: "Did the witch of Endor really summon Samuel from the dead (1 Samuel 28:7-20)?" Answer: The story of the witch of Endor summoning Samuel is recorded in 1 Samuel 28:7-20, the only biblical account of someone being visited by someone who was deceased. Saul, having deprived himself of every legitimate means of spiritual input as a result of his own disobedience and rebellion, walked in foolishness again by seeking out the very resource (a medium) he had previously removed from the land. By divine law, mediums and spiritists were banned from Israel (Deuteronomy 18:11), and Israel was not to be defiled by them (Leviticus 19:31). That the king would stoop to this indicates how far he had fallen from God’s grace. The passage does not give us any reason to believe it was anyone other than Samuel, who is described by the medium as “an old man wearing a robe” (v. 14). Obviously, age and clothing do not exist in the realm of the spirits of those who have died, but God miraculously gave Samuel such appearances as would enable Saul perceive who the spirit was. The message Samuel gave Saul was completely accurate. God allowed the witch of Endor to summon the prophet Samuel in order to give King Saul the news of his coming defeat and death. This does not mean that it is genuinely possible for witches or mediums to speak with the dead, only that God allowed it in this one exception. When a person dies, his soul is taken to heaven or hell, depending on whether he has placed his faith in Christ (Matthew 25:46). There is no reason to believe that a deceased person has any ability to leave heaven or hell in order to visit his living family members. Any such claim is a demonic deception (2 Corinthians 11:14-15). God declared such practices to be abhorrent to Him, and those who did practice such things in Israel were to be put to death (Leviticus 20:27; Deuteronomy 18:10-12). Satan would like nothing more than for people to dabble in the occult world of spiritism and necromancy. God’s commandments regarding these things are designed to protect us from the schemes of our enemy, the devil, who “prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour” (1 Peter 5:8). https://www.gotquestions.org/witch-of-endor.html

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Does this answer your question? Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary 28:7-19 When we go from the plain path of duty, every thing draws us further aside, and increases our perplexity and temptation. Saul desires the woman to bring one from the dead, with whom he wished to speak; this was expressly forbidden, De 18:11. All real or pretended witchcraft or conjuration, is a malicious or an ignorant attempt to gain knowledge or help from some creature, when it cannot be had from the Lord in the path of duty. While Samuel was living, we never read of Saul's going to advise with him in any difficulties; it had been well for him if he had. But now he is dead, Bring me up Samuel. Many who despise and persecute God's saints and ministers when living, would be glad to have them again, when they are gone. The whole shows that it was no human fraud or trick. Though the woman could not cause Samuel's being sent, yet Saul's inquiry might be the occasion of it. The woman's surprise and terror proved that it was an unusual and unexpected appearance. Saul had despised Samuel's solemn warnings in his lifetime, yet now that he hoped, as in defiance of God, to obtain some counsel and encouragement from him, might not God permit the soul of his departed prophet to appear to Saul, to confirm his former sentence, and denounce his doom? The expression, Thou and thy sons shall be with me, means no more than that they shall be in the eternal world. There appears much solemnity in God's permitting the soul of a departed prophet to come as a witness from heaven, to confirm the word he had spoken on earth.

I like your lioness pic you have Worthy. So cute!

Cool

Tonights the night!!!

Why do you think that? Did you watch the video?

think of all those ways your genetic sequence can be acquired by groups like those in the video. do you give blood? Had an STD test? Had any medical tests that took any fluids? Even surgery?

Didn't we start playing God when we started killing people for worshiping different ones? Saying it was in the name of God it was done. After that aren't we able to think of any reason to rule over life and death using a surrogate? Playing god=abortion playing god=war playing god=plastic surgery playing god=IVF Lets make a list

All of this is leading up to the seven year tribulation.

Well it says that he will confirm a covenant with many for seven years: Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." And will subdue 3 of 10 leaders: Daniel 7:8 "While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully. It seems that it will be easy to spot him as it also says he will be proud and boastful rather than doing things quietly in secret. Also it says he will be revealed after the a great falling away of the church that happens before he is revealed: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, It also shows that the temple must be built by the time he stops the sacrifices half way through the final 7 years. Daniel 12:11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. This shows that there will be 1290 days from when he stops the sacrifices half way through to when he finally sets up the abomination of desolation at the temple that Jesus also mentioned: Matthew 24:15-16 15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel, let the reader understand, 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. This will be an image of himself: 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Revelation 13:15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. So this is when he proclaims himself to be God: 2 Thessalonians 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Then it says if you can wait just another 45 days you will be blessed: Daniel 12:12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. This is when Jesus returns. So yes, we will know when the 7 Years begins as the first thing we will see is the great falling away of the church and the Anti-Christ revealed.

Great post

I am not sure these agreements or this agreement will be made known to the general public. However, all will know when the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is God. That will be at the midpoint. I did not read very far into "Just a Mirror" post before I considered it nonsense.

Talk. Release your inhibitions about such things as prayer. Have a conversation aloud or to yourself. Do you meditate? Jog? Whatever releases your mind from the stress of everyday is a great gateway to open a line to God. That is what works for me .

Wow! This is awesome reading. Very enlightening! Thank you so much!

These are all awesome answers! How do you know it is truly God speaking to you?

It's starting to smell fowl

I can't believe this is still going!!!!

You will know when the final 7 years begin because the Anti-Christ will take over the world and confirm peace agreements with many countries.

Me too!! I'll post a pic if it all works out.

His First I hope you get a good seat lol.

I'm in the Sth Hemisphere, so hoping I'll see something!!

Lol so do I

That's what my x box 360 look like after a few months. I got the red ring of death. But it's pretty awesome. Wish we could see it.

Here's another pic of what it looks like.

Sounds scary to me. I think the fact that the earth floats around the sun in space kept by gravity is scary lol.

I hope you notice that the signs in the sun and moon from the Joel prophecy? It is fulfilled at the 6th seal. But the 6th seal is NOT the fulfillment of the signs in the sun and moon in Matthew 24. I think then, we agree: when God does something mighty and awesome, and is prophesied as the Day, whether He is or is not present, it is the Day of the Lord.

Are we talking about the past or the future? I am glad you are doing your own study! To make this a shorter post then the rest, I will give you scripture to look up instead of quoting them. Joel 2:28-32 and 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11, which points to the rapture from the NT. There is also another example found in 2 Peter 3:10-13 which speaks of after the Great White Throne Judgment when the earth will be no longer, burnt up. I will agree, taking all scripture into account, the Day of the Lord is whenever He does a might work.

OneLight wrote, What Day are you talking about? The Day of the Lord is His return, not the Rapture. You put too much weight on the statements of those who do not believe when you are trying to determine the timing of the rapture. I did notice that you continue to use the words "I think", which is good. Continue your studies and more will be revealed to you. You are mistaken: the day of the Lord is mentioned many times in the Old Testament and not one of them is about Christ's coming. it is about destroying the world and the sinners in the world. The trumpet judgments are very much a part of THE DAY and His wrath. I do not rely on others for my determination of when the rapture will be. It is my study alone. If one understands 1 thes. 5, they will know the rapture comes before the DAy of the Lord. I think many have a wrong view of "the day of the Lord." They assume Christ brings THE DAY with Him. No, He does not return to fight until chapter 19, after the 70th week has finished. But the DAY will begin right where John said it: at the 6th seal. So THE DAY is not His return and it is not the rapture. But the rapture will be the trigger for the Day.

OneLight wrote, Actually, no I do not feel peace and safety is part of this life. Do you not watch the signs of the times? Neither do I believe that there will be a big war that brings about the covenant, but the threat of a war, which, at the end of the Great Tribulation, will happen. I will be in that group seen in Revelation 7 - the group too large to number. I will not see the days of God's wrath. I do think Israel will be at war soon, and other nations will join in. Perhaps we should call it Word War 3?