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  1. In the Qur'an, Jesus is another prophet, like Mohammad. They do not believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.
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  2. God is called "The Father," He is often referred to as "He" Jesus referred to Him as "My Father in Heaven." Luke 2:49, And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? Luke 10:22,, All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. Luke 15:18, I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, John 5:17, But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. John 5:43, I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. John 6:65, And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. John 8:16, And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. And many more examples, so what do you think?
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  3. I'm afraid it's you who doesn't understand that you posted a false story in the OP. Now you're not understanding the bill. You can get a REDUCED rate if you participate in the wellness programs. If you don't, you simply pay the regular rate. See? Easy to understand if you simply read what is actually in the bill. No one is going to be charged higher rates; you pay the REGULAR rate if you don't participate. If you don't want anyone having your DNA, and I personally do not, you don't enroll in the program. Just as an aside; the only way you can be forced to surrender your DNA is by a warrant under U.S. law.
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  4. Nope , they do keep Jesus in high regard as a prophet, not as Gods Son. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam
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  5. And as already stated...the title of your thread, the title of the article are completely untrue and misleading.
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  6. like onelight said-He is held in high regard, but not as the son of God, as merely a prophet. Like we would say well, the prophet Isaiah said this, they would say the prophet Jesus said this...they have a very warped view of who Jesus is.
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  7. The Koran says Allah has no son.
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  8. You've already received some fine answers here, notsolostsoul. I only want to add a suggestion about the children. At the end of it all, God gave everything back to Job that he had -- times two -- except for his children. God only gave him seven more, not 14. And you're right. They would never replace the original seven. But here's the thing -- I don't think those first seven kids were lost to him. I think that he would see them again in the next life -- thereby ultimately giving him double in children in the end.
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  9. It seems the Koran holds Jesus in high regard based on the attached link which quotes the relevant Koran sections.. Is this for real? https://www.namb.net/apologetics/a-comprehensive-listing-of-references-to-jesus-isa-in-the-qur-an
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  10. "What the bill does is allow employers to say that if employees will have genetic testing they will get a better rate on their insurance." This is the important phrase; if an employee signs up for one of these plans they can gat up to 30% off on insurance premiums. The article you posted stated something completely different. I don't understand why you posted the OP if you knew it wasn't true.
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  11. It's not true and I have posted the proof of that. It's one of those 'take some truth and add lies to it to make a total' type things. The NY Times? I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for them to start honest reporting.
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  12. And that's fine, Abby. There is no requirement for anyone to argue or debate. I just like to keep it real.
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  13. Halleluia Chorus from Handel's "Messiah" Revelation Song
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  14. Sylvia, PC (political correctness) has seeped into the Western church and has tainted the teachings (of some) - in regards to preaching a lovely, happy, happy Gospel with no acknowledgement to the role sin plays in peoples lives. All people - and how to deal with sin. Its a preaching of feel good, self centeredness IMO. It's really sad.
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  15. My favorite is welcome home you by brian littrell.What is yours?
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  16. Is anything infinite? Even time or space?
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  17. Praise God's Son Jesus Christ "It’s a blessing to have many versions of the Bible in our language"- https://www.WYCLIFFE.org/blog/posts/what-version-of-the-bible-do-you-use-for-translation ^ There are no versions of Jesus Christ. There is only the truth (God's Son Jesus Christ, the Word of God made flesh) and falsehood. Jesus Christ, the Saviour of all men, gave man his name and perfect Word in today's world language of English (Ps. 12:6-7, Matt. 21:43, Gal. 3:28-29, 1 Cor. 1:23) by the King James Bible (which necessarily means that all else without exception is not the Word of Jesus Christ in English), not coincidentally just as English was becoming the world language. Today, most everyone either speaks English, or has access to people that speak both their language and English. It is incumbent upon man to seek the truth, God's Son Jesus Christ (Prov. 8:17, Jer. 29:13, John 14:6), whose Word is in the KJB and nowhere else today (Ps. 147:19-20). Jesus's Word reveals that all who love and seek the truth shall find him. There are multitudes in America who speak fluent English and have ready access to King James Bibles who continue to trust in falsehood (i.e. any non-KJB text). Those who love the truth will find God's Son Jesus Christ whether or not they speak fluent English (Prov. 8:17), and those who hate the truth will not find Jesus whether or not they speak fluent English (2 Thess. 2:12). The notion that Jesus is in error for giving man his Word only in middle English today is erroneous… As for God, his way is perfect (Ps. 18:30) he doeth according to his will (Dan. 4:35) neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. (Isa. 55:8) He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the Lord. (Ps. 147:19-20) ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. (Jer. 29:13) And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. (Luke 1:50) Blessed be the name of God's Son Jesus Christ
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  18. I don't agree brother. Other translations are valid.
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  19. My Savior Loves! My Savior Lives ! ( My Passion For The Christ ) by -Casting Crows- Praise His Name Forever! I am at home still with slow dial -up. Tried just now to find the same video on you tube that I have in my personal video libraries. It has the story of Christ Jesus going to the cross and His resurrection,but could not find it at this time on you tube. However the song touches me deeply
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  20. Brian Littrell. "In Christ Alone " That is in the contemporary category. So much to choose from. Love Nicole C. Mullen - "Redeemer" also.
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  21. But time won't make this CT true, Abby. Nor will reposting it.
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  22. So when people say time or space goes forever, without end, its a false statement?
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  23. The Snopes report on this has been posted by one of the mods and the last thread on it locked. this is reprinted from STAT news, the exact same source as the other thread. This is fake, fake, fake and I sincerely hope this thread is locked as well. Google House bill HR 1313 and read it for yourself. I already posted it in the locked thread. This is a conspiracy theory.
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  24. 1 John, do you also believe that the Bible translators who work to place the Bible in the language of the people such as Wycliffe translators are doing a vain or evil thing? Do you believe all people must learn Middle English first and use only the KJV?
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  25. The bill was already posted in its entirety in another thread and doesn't say anything like that.
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  26. We had a friend who was not a totally committed Christian. He had resisted getting baptized after he had believed saying that he had been baptized as an infant. We took him to an evangelical meeting. The pastor said it is OK to be sprinkled. We will put you in a shower and fill it till it is higher than your head and you will be immersed by sprinkling. He had been sinking in his chair trying to duck the Holy Spirit but started laughing so hard that he surrendered; he was baptized in his church a few weeks later. God called him to work with Gideons Int. and he became a regional director for many years. Perhaps baptism is for those who have surrendered to Jesus as Lord, and who no longer contend with Him.
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  27. Thank you, for your input and God bless.
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  28. Indeed I value what scripture says more-but I also value my pastor because I know he does, I am simply pointing out that Jesus ordered the baptism of water...in scripture...words of Christ is in red. That's what I value. Even the apostle Paul believed in water baptism, read Romans 6 if you don't believe me. In any case, you've made your case I've made mine. This discussion is now going in circles, so unless a new argument is made I see no further point, scripture can defend itself. God bless my friend.
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  29. Baptism is a commandment of christ. If we have faith that he is lord then we must be baptize. It's part of salvation but it's the actual death of christ that brings forgiveness of sin. I think we are already forgiven when we are being baptize. So baptism shows we are in him through his death and resurrection. It's the visible sign .It must be inportant if Christ's commands it. One can be saved without it if there is no way to be baptize.
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  30. That's what Paul is saying , they baptized you and they take you in their captivity, I follow Appolos, Mark and so on, That's why Paul said I do not take anyone from the Lord Jesus Christ. Learn to give your loyalty to Jesus like I do, and those I have baptized I have them to Jesus. But you have your pastor and you have pledged to side with him, and at the same time you say you follow Jesus. But you value the word of your pastor more, or the word of Jesus more. Or you are a secret follower of Jesus and an open follower of your pastor, very well . Let JESUS judge everyone one and how he wants them. Non of the disciples were baptized by water , the same for Jesus, but they were baptized in the faith of Jesus by believing in him after the ressuraction, and they were baptized with the Holy Spirit. They only had the Baptist of Jonh, not of the Father ,the Son and the Holy Ghost, and they all became unbelievers at the time of the death of JESUS CHRIST. They believed some time later, and who can baptized them. JESUS did not baptized them after the ressuraction. Food for thought. JESUS is calling us to the Baptist of the Holy Ghost. The pastor's wants the believers to be baptized with their spirit and become their loyal followers, and they sit in their judgement. When they baptized them they tell them , that Jesus put them overseers over them. That's why Paul cation about the Baptist of water , but he promote the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, which many who follow the baptism of water denied.
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  31. The priests who crucified Jesus, had zero good intent. They were only concerned with themselves, and it doesn't change my point. The Bible says that we have to be baptized, not that it saves us but as a outward sign to the world that we belong to Him. It doesn't have to be a big show...but it is something I feel we have to do. Certainly some people take longer to come to this knowledge faster then others, it took my pastor many years before he was baptized, but every believer does because that is what the Bible says, and its impossible to be a believer, and not be in the word, and not want to follow it with their entire heart. Even the apostle Paul said faith without works is dead.
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  32. I do not doubt your good intent, but the good intent is not proof that we have judge correctly. The good intent of the priest crusified JESUS. Who have to be careful not to judge at a later time what you have approve earlier. First of all I am not against baptism, and baptism can save someone from a lot of earthly things, but not from Hell, because we are saved from Hell when we first believe . When first faith raised up in our heart. Jesus knows that moment and that's when he call us his own. That moment we have obey God or the Holy Spirit, who says believe in Jesus Christ. Not everyone Believer is a disciple, Jesus Christ did not die for the disciples only. You have to take the time and study all the good words Jesus has for the secret Believers, on your own. Nicodemus was one of them, and JESUS love him show much that he told him about things to come, as to prepared him when they happen. Later on , a secret Believer , maybe the same one named Nicodemus, saved the life of the disciples in Acts , when he said in the Sadhering, let God judge them, if they are in the wrong, let us not take it upon our selfs. The secret Believers may confess their faith among other Believers but not in the open, and for many reasons, which is not your business to judge them because you are not one of them. Esther as a secret Believer became the Queen. The woman who saved the spies , by entagering her own life, and be call a traitor, and LIED to the men of the King , Rahab, she was a secret Believer. Jesus Christ died for all and he died for secret Believers, and not you or anyone one else can make him change his mine. The theif on the Cross had been a secret Believer , I think so for a long time, and he statements on the Cross about Jesus is not an open and direct confession, but it was alluring that he believed something about Jesus ,and Jesus accepted it, Amen. Never dare a Moslem or even a Jew, to come open with his faith in Jesus Christ when he is in danger to loose his family and his life and the rest. As a secret Believer he can remain close to his family and help them come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ. And who knows if Jesus opens the way to take his family to another country, where his life is not endangered, because of his faith. And then he can only openly declare his faith, but still he can not return to his country, or be accepted by his family, he is going to loose a lot. Just because you are not in his place.
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  33. Both they are important, first for the Believer who is not baptized, and he must overcome the judgement of those who speak like the know that he does not really believe, the criticism of those who can not see in their heart, Jesus call them not blind , but one eyed, because they judge only by what they can see, but Jesus said my judgement is different, I do not need the witness of man. To indimidate someone into baptism with the eternal judgement of Hell, it is in my understanding a sin. That's why when someone tells me he believes, I affirm his faith instant of doubting him, and ask him to prove his faith by some means, baptism or by something else.
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  34. You are theology incorrect here. Not in saying baptism doesn't save you, it doesn't, but the fact is there is no such thing as a "secret" believer. Jesus said to get baptized, multiple times, it is not a suggestion it's a command. And if you can't follow His commands, then where is your faith? And while we're on the subject of Paul, when he was talking about "Secret" believers, was not giving us free reign to disobey Christ's command, in fact if you go to Romans 6 he spends nearly the entire chapter discussing the importance of baptism. Let's look at what Jesus states about "secret" believers, words of Christ in Red: Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
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  35. I totally believe that man is in heaven...like I said it's belief/faith that does it...I also believe had that man been able to get off the cross he would have followed through with baptism. His faith, was in the right place and that is the core issue.
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  36. I think that it is up to the Pastor to make sure that the person who is participating in the Church activities and administration of the Church is a good Christian example to all.
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  37. Too huge the topic And let me tell y my conclusion to the west *************** Europe The main religion of it is the Catholic/Orthodox And the ethic of the Europe is not the Christianity,it looks like the Christianity But it is only”look like” The true DNA of them is the paganism(mainly the Aryan Religion) That means “justification by the good work of Mortal” ---------And do not totally surrender to GOD,and do not accept the Salvation is a free gift,is totally the grace from GOD All the pagan Religion are based on “justification by the good work of Mortal” So I think the ethic of the Europe is the mixed culture With the Christianity cloth covering the body and the paganism in heart *************** US The main religion of it is the Protestantism Yes,it is Biblical ethic *************** And even the Christianity cloth ,the Europe does not want to wear now The multiculturalism, the left wing is now the main ethic of the Europem As a Godly woman,of course I should blame it And to the US,I do not know why Donald Trump is win,if it bcs y guys still have some sincere toward GOD,I think maybe GOD still bless America
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  38. i am not "know something about Chinese culture. "" i am the chinese
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  39. Total generalisation and not isolated to China/Asia - pettiness, slander and willingness to evil is in every culture. This is not what my OP is about, as the mummy's boy syndrome crosses racial lines and is part of human nature, not dictated by people groups.
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  40. The ONE who totally gives the evil report of Mortals is GOD His comment about the mortal is so evil---even totally do not have any goodness for the eternal Salvation So the only way HE forgiving us is through the sacrifice of JESUS That is totally a free gift,NO ONE CAN BOAST HIS OWN GOODNESS Including y and me
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  41. I'd say, no! Only if you're going to love being second in his life for the rest of your life.
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  42. the fall and the consequences of sin, distorted every aspect of the balance of Gods entire creation
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  43. I agree with the brother that it is the follow through of sin but not just Chinese but sin from man. IMO, the fall and the consequences of sin, distorted every aspect of the balance of Gods entire creation - the physical and mental state. Negative dominance over women is worldwide. As I speak, in Australia, my country - we are experiencing an epidemic of violence toward women. Its out of control - its been going on since forever but is very very public right now.
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  44. The Chinese ethic and the Biblical ethic It is look like the earthly ethic and the Martian ethic I really do not know how to explain such huge a topic to y But I can tell y THE TOUGH AND MISERABLE SITUATION of woman in Chinese ethic Is the biggest reason I am so eager for Biblical Salvation
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  45. And let us not forget: Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Matthew 19:5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh Ephesians 5:31 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.
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  46. Lol! What a saying In my opinion, a married man should put his wife first (being sensitive to the needs of his mother if father is not in the picture). Jesus provided for His mother Mary's needs right to the end of His life, John 19v26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
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  47. That's right!!! I'm definitely a daddy's girl.
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  48. china,the country which has lots of mummy's boy
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