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And to continue.........I went to the ARC (Adelaide,Revival Center)(not Aust Raiways Credit union)...ready to be Baptized...to cut this short...I heard speaking in tongues, and thought what money making cult is this !? anyway end up getting Baptized but I thought I had the Holy Spirit; just wanted to get out of there, for the next 3 nights trying to sleep ,but on my mind was God this God that..so ended up taking my girlfriend to see what she made of it (she knew a bit more of God stuff than me !); next thing she is getting Baptized.!!!?? during that a guy asked me to have some prayer to receive the Holy Ghost..so we went to a prayer room and he started ;I just thought in my head..all I know is I love you..(and was going to get out !) but wham ! the extreme peace and joy was overwhelming and I spoke in tongues..then I KNEW he existed and two weeks later looked ontop of my fridge to see a carton of cigarettes; then I realized I had not touched any smokes, alcohol , drugs, for two weeks !! no withdrawals just gone God took the desire away without even trying..also healed from migraines (suffered all my life) hay fever etc etc ...much more and told my folks (to them I had become just another religious wally)..but when my father got cancer to which he was told he would die; I told him the miracles of God are just as much today (Jesus the same yesterday,today and forever) and told him just give him a chance !..healed several days later in the baptism tank and received the Holy Ghost (with the Bible evidence of speaking in tongues..acts 2v4 etc)...ok thats enough...

This is a discussion forum where we are free to discuss any issue, as long as it does not violate the ToS. The problem I have seen is people are too passionate about certain subjects and they allow their emotions to rule their response. Remember, "For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." I would be wise for us all to check our hearts before replying, ensuring we are speaking in the spirit and not in the flesh.

I see Jesus coming back on a white horse in Revelation 19:11. At the end of the seven year tribulation.

I would just let them follow their own path; they know the drill. Just worry about your own walk, mechanic, and God will take care of the rest.

Seems to me if you've had your vaccination hen you should have no fear of those without. Just saying.

And, better still, remember who the HEALER is. The same yesterday, today, and forever.

Again, remember what SCRIPTURE says clearly. Remember JOB. Remember who deceives the whole world - so that sickness is very common.

Satan or his demons can not cause an illness.They do not have that much power. Our world is full of bacteria and virus's. That is what causes a physical illness.

Hi Heaven... Wrong, when sin came in the world,sin sickness and pain got also in the world and until we are with Jesus we will be living in those day..but as Christians God will give us the strength to carry our burden and follow Jesus. Take Up Your Cross and Follow Jesus 24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul? Matt. 26:24 Of course God heals people lots of times but not everybody gets healed, some people do not get healed until they reach heaven but the good news is here that God can heal us from all our sins if we come to Him. You can not tell people that they are demon possessed if the have illnesses.

Hey u guys, I just wanted to post song titles (without YouTube links ) for those who feel broken hearted. I felt this way plenty of times and these are only some of the songs that got me through. Please don't post YouTube Vids in this section because there's another thread for that. If you want , you may copy and paste and then google the lyrics or find it on YouTube yourself instead. Any other songs on your mind? plz let me know. God Bless. Hope these songs uplift your souls and speak volumes to your hearts: 1.) Broken Girl- Matthew West 2.) Fight Another Day- Addison Road 3.) The Hurt and The Healer- MercyMe 4.) You Are More- Tenth Avenue North 5.) Here's My Heart- Lauren Daigle 6.) Remind Me Who I Am -Jason Gray 7.) Can Anybody Hear Her- Casting Crowns 8.) You're Not Alone- Meredith Andrews 9.) This Is Not Where I Belong- Building 429 10.) Here I Am- Tamela Mann 11.) Open My Heart- Yolanda Adams 12.) He Knows- Jeremy Camp

Hello Brother, I read through your OP so I wont bother posting your whole post, I will just reply. But there is one point you made I want to point out as being kind of backwards to what Jesus pointed out..... The Scripture you are referring to actually say IF IT WERE POSSIBLE they would deceive the Elect.....BEHOLD I HAVE TOLD YOU/WARNED YOU BEFORE....Implying it is not possible to deceive the Elect, because they have been Forewarned. (By Jesus here in this passage). No, this has nothing to do with what you are speaking of, though some might be false teachers or false prophets, but speaking on TV Doesn't per se make anyone that. This has to do with something VERY DEEP, happening during the Tribulation, it should be very clear when I explain it, but some might not can see it.........I will post the same Passage but add a few verses for Context below, so I can explain what this means, (KJV). Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. So what does this mean and what time period can we place this at? Well we see it is during the TRIBULATION PERIOD, so your question about today's TV preachers doesn't really fit. Then we see Christ warning someone but who? The Jewish people whom he tells to FLEE into the Wilderness when they see the Abomination of Desolation (Anti-Christ in the Temple/Conquering Jerusalem). We know that in Rev. chapter 12 we are told that Israel FLEES into the Wilderness where she is protected by God for 1260 Days. This is who Jesus is warning BUT WHY? Well the Anti-Christ wants to KILL THEM, we know that because Rev. 12 says the Dragon was angry that he couldn't get at the WOMAN (Israel) so he took his Wrath out on the Remnant of the Church (those who became Christians after the Rapture). So what is going on here? The false prophet and false christ are trying to TRICK the Jewish peoples by performing Miracles, saying LOOK, your Messiah has Returned. By this time Israel has accepted Jesus as their Messiah, that happens BEFORE the AoD. So Jesus says HEY....LISTEN UP....Do not buy their lies, I will not be in the Desert, nor will I be in those Secret Chambers.....DON'T BELIEVE IT !!! Do not go unto those places (for they want to kill you once they trick you out of your Safe Zone, where God is protecting you for 1260 Days). That is the Anti-Christs Objective. But Jesus says ALAS..........I will be coming in the EASTERN SKIES !! So the ELECT who listen to Jesus know that this false christ and false prophet doing miracles, is not their Messiah, because of this VERY PASSAGE, Jesus says he is coming from/in the Eastern Skies. AMEN. That in a nutshell is what that passage is about brother.

Ok handyman you just have your laugh

Right in the middle there where it says, "GOD". I think the triangle if you look at it does make sense if you realize God being sovereign is the son and the holy spirit. Whereas the holy spirit, the son, and the father, are not separate co-creators of one another. The source for the references in scripture to , father, son, holy spirit, is God. Because all three are God. Really there are two created when God is first a holy spirit himself. This article could help. It explains the symbolism in the design of the triangle to communicate trinity. Three sided tri-angle: Lines, Triangles, and the Trinity Perhaps he didn't realize he was in the wrong thread when he asked the question?

You are getting way off topic. How is this relevant to the conversation?

No, it is not a contradiction at all. The Father is not the Son, nor the Son the Father. The Father is not the Holy Spirit, nor the Holy Spirit the Father. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, nor the Holy Spirit Jesus. Each are addressed separately in scripture. What you fail to see is that all three, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, are one in every way, but separate. I gave scripture in another reply you can see above that demonstrates this.

The mods will let you know. They are on top of everything. A squared away group.

Thank you, then when you read the events that happened in Egypt, at the time of Moses, you do not denied them, with magic it is possible that they may have really happened, and you don't really need a lot to be convinced that they really happened. Then you understand that the wars that took place, I making reference to older times, it was not only between the armies but also between the Gods of the warring parties.

I don't know where you are headed, but if I can help yes I do know magic exists

I am looking for honest people.

What would compel you to ask that?

Thank you, for not getting offended. As we see the Egyptians, at the time of Faraw doing the same magical things Moses the was doing. It is not a good definition, but I am trying to let those magical events define it. I am going some place with that.

Not to but into your conversation, but you should define magic

Do you believe in magic? This is a serious question. and it is a biblical question.

That is what I believe also. That is what many people here have tried to get across. But unfortunately, even that diagram is refuted by some of the most amazing nonsense I've encountered in this topic among Christians anywhere. Those that say Jesus is not God the son, absolutely cannot be, as example. Sadly , that diagram won't help them I don't believe.

When Jesus spoke about baptizing in Matthew 28:19, He said: Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Jesus Himself called them each as a separate deity. Father - Son - Holy Spirit - God, being a title as in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. You can also find this in 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. The picture makes perfect sense when placed beside scripture.

Your triangle is one very clear contradiction within itself. You do realize this? You dont realize this? For example.....your triangle states that God is the Son, as long as you dont call God "The Father". That math does not add up. Another would be.....that your triangle states that the Son is not the Holy Spirit.....However, each believer has the Holy Spirit, and this is known as "CHRIST IN YOU".....as in JESUS CHRIST in you, as in Jesus Christ the SON, is in you........yet, its the Holy Spirit.........or as another scripture states.....(Romans 8:1)...."Christ be IN you".

The UPC and Apostolic Church teach classic Sabellian modalism which is unbiblical. My beloved and I used to attend the World of Pentecost Church in Austin Texas 25 years ago for the terrific music service. You've all probably heard of the Philips Craig and Dean song "Revelation Song..." Philips is the son of the WPC (now renamed PromiseLand Church). This son heads up a branch of that church in another part of Austin. If you read their belief statement on their website they try to snooker people with wording to obfuscate their modalist beliefs. Just checked, they rewrote what they had before. They once said "we believe in the one God who expresses himself in three ways..." Now they just say the Father is God and Jesus is the flesh of God and the Holy Spirit is the indwelling part of God. In other words, they know enough about their doctrine is at least troubling to potential donors to their treasury that they mask it through sneaky wording. I doubt they believe there is anything wrong with their modalism. So, to try to hide what they sincerely believe is true is more low down than trying to pedal what they know is not true IMHO. Just beware that compromise (even for a great music service) is compromise nevertheless. And eventually you will find even the lyrics become very modalistic.

where is the everlasting Father. Please, The reference to the Scriptures that support with clarity, the message that is supposed to convey.

Isaiah 9:6 When we say that the child who will be born from the woman, will be call the "Everlasting Father", and we understand that this make reference to Emanuel, the Lord God. But not to the Heavenly Father. Jesus aim is to indroduce us to the Heavenly Father. It's important when we use the word Father to understand the distinction between the Heavenly Father , and our patriarch Jesus Christ, who is our everlasting Father, and we are his children. The children of his sacrifice wash with his blood, redeemed with his blood. And if we the children of JESUS CHRIST and we are one with him, then we are one with the Heavenly Father, who is one with our Everlasting Father JESUS CHRIST.

What I said, so people will know, is that I believe int eh Trinity. There are many scriptures that show us this. So there is no misunderstanding, here is a picture that shows what I believe.

Do you believe that the Son of God is an eternal son, or do you deny that?

The Father of the Jews was Abraham, according to their Blood inheritance. They were the children of Abraham. They also were the children of the Lord God . So the Lord God was also their Father. Why the prophecy says, that the inheritance of those two Fathers is Temporary, it will come to an end.

Luke 1:68 makes that connection .

These words were spoken to Israelites, or the Jews , and we have to see who was the God of the people to whom this word was spoken. Their God was the Lord God , so the Scriptures says , the people will say our God is with us, or the Lord God is with us . The God is referring to is the Lord God of Israel.

I feel the same way about those who ignored the scriptures stating Jesus was God and then make the false claim there's no evidence to back up the fact that Jesus was God.

I've posted that twice today. I'm not typing it out on this tablet again....

What's your definition of God?

N9t if you understand what the word God means.

That's true.

Those that deny Jesus was God with us deny the Trinity.

I just thought of something when I read this question being asked again. And it will be accused as false and then proof asked for again I'm sure. This is an eclectic group of people who claim the name of Christian you realize? I think what you and many of us are trying to reach and will fail, are those who are Christadelphians. Or, Jehovah Witness. Whatever the case, the denial isn't supported by God's word so you won't get through using God's word when it is first denied to say what it does say by your opponents here. There was a huge list of scriptures that confirm Jesus was God the Father. When the name Immanuel, God with us, in scripture accounting of Jesus arrival and his name communicating to people his presence and purpose doesn't convince those who argue with you, you're not really going to be able to use scripture to get through.

Again? No. If they haven't gotten through already repeating the same behavior isn't going to change a thing in those who will not see. But, somewhere OneLight asked for proof of people who said those scriptures were false and denied that Jesus was God the Father. So thanks to the two of you for showing him the proof he asked for. God have mercy.

This is 1 Timothy 3:16, God was manifest in the flesh, That can be a very confusing statement, to some people.

And that's not what God's word says at all ever.

That makes no sense at all

Jesus was Yahweh before he was Jesus. That's what I've been saying. Where you err is when you say that there and then said in your prior quote, but Jesus was not the Father. Jesus was the Father before he was Immanuel. And Immanuel was the Father because God sent himself here to deliver in person what was written prophecy about his coming in the old testimonies promising that later arrival.

It's not a mystery to me.

Praise our Father! "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

1 Timothy 3:16