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  1. For some, it is a question of loyalties. When I have tried to show my friends that the neither the imminent return nor the pre-tribulation rapture has any Bible proof, their standard reply is either, "Believe me, you are wrong", or "Do you mean to tell me that (Pick your famous preacher) is wrong and you are right"? I know their position better than they do. I have read a long list of Dispensationalists on this specific topic. In point of fact, I used to believe all of that until the scriptures convinced me otherwise. For others, it is the fact that we are not able to state our view, or actually question their view without being vilified and shunned. I have seen missionaries' support dropped, preachers banned, and others condescended to. The only defense they have is tired old quips like, "Do you honestly believe that God would beat up his bride?" or "No rapture? Hey, that's no 'blessed hope'!" or "Read your Bible, son". BUT, because I wanted to be very sure of my position and my first loyalty is the Scriptures, until they can refute scripture with scripture, I will remained unmoved.
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  2. Hi Butero The enemy drives what people see and hear in the media. Therefore a lot of our populations have their minds blinded about Israel and the Palestinian clash. They are not aware of how God gave the land to His people and how the land belongs to them. They only hear and believe what the media tells them. Unfortunately they don't read the Bible and choose to believe lies. It breaks my heart too. We will continue to pray for Israel and hold them up to the Lord for protection against all their enemies.
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  3. I listen to a lot of Christian music. Lately, I've noticed some questionable theological points in a few songs by mostly new artists, but not entirely. Has anyone else noticed this or is this just me? Linked article on this subject: Old Example from 2004
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  4. I have a lot going on. My apartment was infested with roaches, my mom who has a mental illness made my safe place a place of uncertain hell. (I do t k ow how each day will go there). My ILS(Supporting Living Services) worker is having issues that's affecting me, my sister's car broken in the middle of a 4 way intersection. I stopped reading my Bible for 5 days. And on top of all that, I'm trying to get ready for an art show that start in October but the deadline is in August. I have no idea what to do, or how to do it I have been feeling like crying for months. What do I do?
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  5. Pauls words should be in red also......If Paul said it , Jesus may as well have said it
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  6. Dear community, I understand foodsharing as handing out free food that would have been thrown away otherwise. Food, for me, is a gift of God. So, it shouldn't be thrown away. Additionally, producing food means creating an environmental burden. For instance, any production of foods causes co2 emissions. In regions with shortage of water, agriculture can be a threat for the water balance, in my opinion. And if the food is just going to be thrown away after having been produced, it comes down to wasting water. Furthermore, Germany has a huge problem with nitrate pollution. This is primarily caused by stock farming. Germany has too much of it. At church, friends of mine distribute foods that have been thrown away. For me, this is a blessing. This food is still great (although having been thrown away). For others, too. A friend of the church has a bakery and lets us know when she has bread to share out for free. Many people from the church praise God for this. Another friend brings leftovers from her working place for after service. The brothers and sisters enjoy apples, bananas.... Our colleagues from the local mainline protestant church go as far as to share out free food for anyone in town. They cooperate with an initiative that provides them with foods for their fridge; foods that would have been thrown away otherwise. Anyone can come in get their food and leave. Regards, Thomas
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  7. Cast your net into the waters. The lord has given us a net to cast. The souls of men are perishing. All around us are ones who need us to cast the lords net. Jesus told peter to cast his net into the lake. Peter said we have worked all night and we have gather no fish but nevertheless i will do as you wish. The net return more then full. The net was ready to break. Its only Jesus who can and will fill our nets with mens souls. But we musr be like peter and keep casting. He cast alk night at the end the lord filled his net. The lord yearns for the lost souls. And needs us to help him in this task. Pray and cast in faith in Jesus working power and his love for souls.
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  8. I wish they would sing of who their helper is .. ?
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  9. Why we all should be slaves of Christ?! "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?" - Romans 6:16 Even if you think you have something better to do on this world, the answer is: “You are being deceived. Because there is nothing better ” Because I do not find anything better to do with my life in this evil world than to seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness. "for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit." - Romans 14:17 And nothing of that can be found in this evil world, people are just too busy loving themselves, practicing evil and such things. When I found the gospel of Jesus Christ I thought: My life is over. This world and myself are evil anyway. After I knew the Lord was not pleased with my style of living, it was shocking, and I thought: I am making Him sad... He does not deserve it. I will just obey Him and do whatever He says. I know He wants my best and He is good... And He suffered so much without guilt. So I am without excuse. Just forgive and save me, Lord! "We love Him because He first loved us." - 1 John 4:19 I knew I had to say goodbye to all my evil habits and pleasures, they were useless anyway. At the start it seemed like I was losing my life, but as I had no excuse to go back I just decided to continue. Obviously, this was not by my own effort as the Holy Spirit encouraged me so much... He gave me faith! Because one cannot simply fight against what is written in the Word of God... It is pure light and truth. "This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all." - 1 John 1:5 Then I was learning, and learning with the Lord... That I actually was not losing my life... I was finding life. "For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it." - Matthew 16:25 Then I started to grow in faith even more and said: My life in this evil world indeed came to an end. I decided: “I do not want to be friend with this world anymore... To live according to His Word is much better.” Then I decided with all faith: “Lord, I want to be yours! Please, have mercy and save me from this evil world and myself.” "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service." - Romans 12:1 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." - John 17:3 It is just amazing, I thought, I will live much better and I still will go to heaven. As He promised. "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly." - John 10:10 It is true I will face tribulation, persecution, and be hated for loving what is good. But if that is the price I have to pay for this... Then, so be it! "strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” - Acts 14:22 As it is written: “For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.” I do not understand the people who say things like: “You are working to be saved” “You are trusting in yourself” “You are just a hypocritical” Well, according to the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ: I forgive them, in Jesus' name. "...Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do..." - Luke 23:34 I just wish they could experience the amazing thing that is to live according to His will. "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven." - Matthew 5:16 If I say that God is powerful and He will give you all the faith to live according to His will and practice His Word... "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you." - Matthew 7:7 It may seem impossible, and people may think I am being hypocritical... But it is just the truth: With God you can achieve the impossible. "...If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes." - Mark 9:23 As it is written: "...With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." - Matthew 19:26 And all by grace, through faith... It indeed is an amazing gift from God - The Father! "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved." - John 3:17 And if there are still people who say I will be condemned for living like this... Then all I can say is: "Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us." - Romans 8:34 If obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ can take one to hell... Then I do not even want to try otherwise. "...even the winds and the sea obey Him..." - Matthew 8:27 "If the righteous one is scarcely saved, Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?" - 1 Peter 4:18 If to love the Lord can make one go to hell, then I do not want to try to do otherwise. "There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy..." - James 4:12 If to love the Lord can make one be told by Him: I never knew you... "He who does not love does not know God, for God is love." - 1 John 4:8 Then I do not want to stop loving Him. "But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him." - 1 Corinthians 8:3 Yes, if you want to have life indeed then I strongly suggest you to obey the gospel of Jesus Christ; and to love Him, as without love it will be impossible. There is power of God there, it will sanctify you completely... And I mean COMPLETELY... There is nothing impossible. "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek." - Romans 1:16 For those who know Him, they will joyfully say: We are slaves of Christ! And we believe and do whatever He says. And all we want is: Mercy! "Blessed are the merciful, For they shall obtain mercy." - Matthew 5:7 We are all sinners, and we are sorry for it!
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  10. ITS TIME TO PRAISE THE LORD one and all . Raise those hands and praise the LORD .
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  11. Good post Mike. There are all types of fish to be caught. Sometimes the person who looks most like they would not hear the word gets saved. And even in church we see people on the outside. And never see the inner part. I once thought i could never get people to respone to me. But one day in a bookstore i spoke the word and a small group of people stop and heard mem . We must not be afraid to look foolish. God word will not return to him void but will bear fruit through the power of the spirit.
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  12. "And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires." - Galatians 5:24 "For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain." - Philippians 1:21 "as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”" - 1 Corinthians 1:31 Glory to God! Amen.
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  13. Shalom everyone, This is a video that the ministry produced for one of my wife's latest songs. It's in Hebrew with English subtitles. But you can get a gist of the power behind the music and lyrics. God bless, George
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  14. Interesting how "the souls" weren't caught until they listened to Jesus. Had a dream one night, turns out it was tied in to the season I was going through in my spiritual walk. A well respected preacher came up to me while I was working a BBQ and asks me with a smile 'Watcha' got for me?' I rather sheepishly pick up 2 small lunch baggies with a small fish cooked golden brown in each one and embarrassingly give them to him, he gleefully accepts them with a huge smile ......then I wake up................. Whhaaaat? So I'm thinking about this dream and slowly it dawns on me that you can catch a minnow, you can catch a shark, you can catch a trout, you can catch a marlin, but....a fish is a fish is a fish. You can catch one in the ocean, in a polluted river ,in a creek or a stagnant pond , still a fish is a fish is a fish! Doesn't matter what it looks like , where it is or where it came from...a fish is a fish is a fish. A soul is a soul is a soul...doesn't matter what it looks like, where its coming from or where it is right now. I was struggling with the people that were in my life. I was involved with Sunday school all along thinking I should be teaching adults at church, with some people outside church that were drug addicts, alcoholics, I was going in to a prison, I was talking with homosexuals that were coming to church and struggling with their desires, plus there were the people that would stop in to my work to talk about their repeated difficulties that I knew would go away if they would ..just.... . I was frustrated with the setbacks I was seeing with many, if only they would get rid of this or that they would find God. Except for the kids, these people I was involved with had lives that I thought would be so much better if they would just change their environment. Frankly, in doing that, they would be be more acceptable in society and their lives would be better. It does not matter what sin is in a persons life or where they are in their spiritual journey, Jesus the Son of God comes into that. I have since been to bible studies with people holding a bible in one hand and a beer in the other, with needles falling out of pockets while discussing the gospel. God does not care where the fish is caught or what it looks like. The reality is He does not require anyone to change before he will come into their lives...only we do. Jesus is not physically walking around on the earth right now, we as sons (and daughters) of God are now doing that with His Spirit within us. That's how Jesus appears in the world today, through us. We have to put our idea of what good fishing looks like aside and put our net down where our Lord directs us....He knows where the fish are biting and doesn't look at the outside but the desire of the soul inside. Something we don't do because we are caught up in looking at physical appearances and cultures. Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to his disciples, Why does your Master take food with tax-farmers and sinners? Mat 9:12 But on hearing this he said, Those who are well have no need of a medical man, but those who are ill. Mat 9:13 But go and take to heart the sense of these words, My desire is for mercy, not offerings: for I have come not to get the upright, but sinners. A fish is a fish is a fish
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  15. If.... Love Be The Test By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13:35 Then.... So Be It Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Philippians 2:3 Love, Your Brother Joe
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  16. Understanding the things to come has merit, however, even if we can perfectly predict the coming storm, it means nothing if we've built our lives on the sand and are swept away by it. First and foremost in the lives of every believer should be knowing and doing the will of God. That's what distinguishes the wise from the foolish. We don't have any control over how things will come to pass but we do decide on how we respond to the things that come our way. Wisdom is justified by her deeds, not her fantasies, and reality will reveal which foundation we have built our lives on. Hopefully, our eschatology doesn't lead us to behave foolishly.
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  18. It is good to give if we have been blessed with things to give.. It is good to be a happy giver. giving willingly with joy.. It is good to give as secretly as possible so that we do not humiliate or cause shaming on the one in need of what is given.. Matthew 6: KJV 1 "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. {2} Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. {3} But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: {4} That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly."
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  19. Thanks SisterActs -- those of us in Israel appreciate it!
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  20. The gathering is at least 3.5 years away from today. Tomorrow it will be the same. And the next day. Until we see the rise of the beast and the confirming of the covenant, the gathering will always be at least 3.5 years away from the current moment.
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  21. I really appreciate the accuracy of your reporting. It's quite comforting to see others adhere to scripture and the truth of the Lord as tightly as I do. But you know your are never going to get anywhere with Daniel 11:36, don't you? I'd love to see him change, I truly would, for him and for others as you said above. I have seen others come out of this false teaching, I did, so I know it can happen. But there are enemies of the truth out there and I don't think we can expect too much from one who calls themself, "The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods." I really think that says all we need to know about this person.
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  22. Let me tell you why the pre-trib rapture theorist will not, and in fact cannot, directly address that question. It is because the truthful answer is catastrophic to their doctrine. The truth is that the Return of Christ for the Church could not have been imminent in the days of the early Church, could not have been imminent down through the centuries, could not be imminent today, and will not be imminent until immediately before it actually happens. This is easily provable by examining the Scriptures themselves. THE PROOF There are actually quite a number of prophesies that prohibited the Resurrection / Catching-away from being imminent in the days of the early Church. Let’s first look at just one major road block to this concept: the prophesied death of Peter by being martyred as an old man. The Lord Jesus himself gave this prophesy (John 21:18). It is an irrefutable truism. Historical writings give us a pretty good idea as to not only when Peter died, but also when Paul died. Smith’s Bible Dictionary says, “According to the early writers, he (Peter) died at or about the same time with Paul, and in the Neronian persecution, A.D. 67 or 68. All agree that he (Peter) was crucified.” From this information so far we can know the following to be absolutely true: Jesus said Peter would die as an old man, therefor the Resurrection / Catching-away could NOT happen until this prophesy was fulfilled. Paul died about the same time as Peter. This means the Resurrection / Catching away was NOT imminent during the span of Paul’s ministry to the Body of Christ, and therefor God did NOT reveal to him any such thing! It was not a possibility until the death of Peter! Paul would NOT (under the unction of the Holy Spirit) have taught as doctrine to his followers something that could not possibly happen, nor would he have included this concept in his writings to them. The Scriptures were penned by God himself using holy men as vessels. God does not lie, nor does his Word! It would have been a lie to teach and promote as imminent something NOT possible in his lifetime, amd the Holy Spirit would not have guided Paul to state a falsehood in his writings to the Church! There are many other prophetic statements standing in the way of an imminent Return that had to be fulfilled first, and many that still need fulfillment (they are scattered throughout the pages of the Bible). For the sake of time and space let’s look at the last one (as far as I can tell) to be fulfilled before the Resurrection of the Just and our gathering together unto our Lord could occur. https://pbenson.me/2016/05/06/bible-proof-the-rapture-theory-is-false/
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  23. Rapture theorists teach that the Coming of Christ for the Church, and our gathering together unto him, is ‘imminent’ (likely to happen at any second). This concept is a pillar of the pre-trib rapture theory, and without it the theory collapses. They claim the Apostle Paul believed this doctrine of ‘the Imminent Return’ because it was revealed to him by God, that he taught this concept to his followers, and wrote his letters (that we know as Scripture) with this notion presented in them. My first question is this: Exactly when did the Coming of Christ and the Resurrection / Catching-away BECOME imminent? There had to be a time when it was not imminent (before the Cross for example) and then there had to have come a moment when it was now imminent. Exactly when was that moment; when did the rapture BECOME imminent?
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  24. True, although I think it’s more a result of the blind leading the blind......many would be walking around with their eyes plucked out and their hands cut off if they “ lived by the Sermon on the Mound”. I follow Jesus. I do what He told me to do.I follow Paul.Jesus revealed to Paul, perhaps face-to-face in the desert, The Gospel thAt saves us——1cor15:1-4——we simply believe it for salvation ,simply add to it with good deeds,living the good life, making sure you repent of willful sins that the Blood can’t cover( thats today’s version of you MUST be circumsized) and you will be “accursed”. The Lamb That taketh away the sins of the world accomplishes al l that mankind needs .....some would make His blood no better than a lamb or a goat
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  25. Time to be on FIRE for the LORD . lukewarm is the most dangerous spot to be . So I want to see some hands held high praising the LORD and be YE HOLY for HE IS HOLY . That is right , it is LORD praising time again . And be on guard though , if we praising him while we walk in darkness then we do not know him . Its high time to awake out of sleep peoples , for the day of the LORD draws ever closer . Now raise those hands and praise the Lord .
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  26. God is a GOOD FATHER who is perfecting and completing all that concerns His children that they would stand in secure places of strength in the season ahead. "In the day when I cried out, You answered me, and made me bold with strength in my soul...Though I walk in the midst of trouble, YOU WILL REVIVE ME; You will stretch out Your hand against the wrath of my enemies, and Your right hand will save me. THE LORD WILL PERFECT THAT WHICH CONCERNS ME..." - Psalm 138:3, 7-8 The word "perfect" is the Hebrew word gâmar, which means to end in the sense of COMPLETION. God has promised us in His Word to complete that which He has started in us and He is presently doing a spectacular work to see His intentions in and for us realized (Philippians 1:6). THE NARROW PLACE In the narrow place, if we have ears to hear, and will listen for His voice, the Lord is releasing keys to remove demonic schemes and barriers that have kept His people from freedom over the years. "..and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life." - Mathew 7:14 THE NARROW PLACE IS THE BIRTHING CHANNEL that is now moving His people forward out into broad and spacious places of freedom and victory! The Lord is bringing His people OUT and establishing their boundaries in pleasant places! We are coming out with strength and with revelation! We are coming out with direction and strategies; We are coming out with joy and with passion! WE ARE COMING OUT AS AN ARMY ON THE OFFENSIVE READY TO CONQUER AND TO OCCUPY! We are now being established at higher levels of faith, undergirded with a double portion of grace and with a greater understanding of His great power that is available to us in establishing us in our CALLING in Christ. God has given us the word of authority to move the mountains before us, and as we speak forth in faith, our very BIG God breathes into the word and all things begin to align to His will! He is aligning us in His will and securing our lives in Him! DETERMINE TO BOLDY RUN THE RACE NOW IS THE TIME to boldly run the race set before us (our CALLING in Christ) and to occupy all areas that He has PURPOSED for us to advance the Kingdom of God. Psalm 110 prophesies that the people of God will volunteer freely to work the works of God in the DAY OF HIS POWER – a Day that is now upon us! He is now opening a GREAT and EFFECTIVE DOOR for us to reap a GREAT HARVEST. "WHATEVER YOUR HAND FINDS TO DO, DO IT WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT..." - (Ecclesiastes 9:10). As the GREAT AND EFFECTIVE DOORS OF OPPORTUNITY OPEN to us in the days ahead, let us lay hold of God and run with endurance...with all our might...the race He has set before us! "Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us..." - Hebrews 12:1 ALBERT FINCH MINISTRY http://afministry.ning.com
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  27. @shiloh357 @Davida @Sojourner414 Good to know you do not hate me. "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome." - 1 John 5:3
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  28. I get that life isn't quite nearly so perfect. I just think the irresponsibility and hypersexuality have spiked dramatically over time. This is also true. There is a fine line between discipline and abuse. I mean, what do you do to a kid if you can't punish them? Just tell them? Hey Billy, you shouldn't punch Jimmy? Like that will do much of anything. People are far too sensitive anymore.
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  29. Who likes Frank E. Peretti? I do. His works plant a lot of seed. A fictional writer, but truth exposed, often to seekers. I used to hand out cheap copies of Hal Lindsey's 'The Late, Great, Planet Earth'. I attribute fruitful seed from his book that influenced a high school friend and his wife to turning to Christ. And later his children. Great witnessing tool.
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  30. Yes it is. It's a fictional book -- with a lot of spiritual allegories. However, it reminds me more of Pilgrims Progress than Piercing the Darkeness. If you haven't read Pilgrims Progress -- read it -- in Modern English. God bless, George
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  31. Yes, we should love even our enemies as Jesus taught us. We don't need to love people's evil deeds but we should love the people. Realize that it is the evil the people are doing that we hate. The people themselves are blinded by the devil....may the Lord deliver them from his snare.
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  32. As a commentary on the lyrics, I agree with her, that we should not be intimidated into silence. However, I would take exception to her saying "I don't care what anybody thinks about me". We should care what others think about us. We should be of good reputation, even among those who do not have the Lord, we only need to care more about what God thinks about us, than what the world thinks about us. If the world thinks we are foolish, superstitious, ignorant, greedy, mean, selfish or whatever, that reflects badly on Jesus and His church. That matters. If they thing wrongly about us, that on the other hand is on them, but we should be making a favorable impression, where possible, not compromising our Christian principles though.
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  33. Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, (Since you love me so much that you call me son, I'll call you Pops) Pops, there is only one second coming (parousia). I can show Scriptural support for what I believe, which is something you cannot do. Like the Scribes and Pharisees of Christ's day, you corrupt the Scriptures with your tradition. You have a tradition of the last 150 years, a tradition called "the secret rapture", but you have no support from the Word of God. The parousia (coming) is the arrival and continuing presence of Christ. Paul spoke of it in reference to the gathering of the church. 1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming (parousia) of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. He speaks of it again, mentioning that the gathering together unto Christ takes place then. 2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming (parousia) of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, Paul goes on to say that the day of Christ (His coming and our rapture) cannot happen until the falling away (a notable departure from the faith) and the revelation of the man of sin which takes place in the middle of the week. 2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 2Th 2:3 Let no man (Pops, et al) deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Any believer that hasn't been persistently brainwashed into the pre-trib system, can see that our gathering (rapture) takes place after the Beast declares himself to be God in the rebuilt temple thereby defiling it, and after there is a marked departure from the faith by professors who are offended when persecution comes and are deceived into worshiping the Beast, by the lying wonders performed by the Beast and false prophet. Unprecedented persecution comes upon the elect (church) Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. There will be a falling away Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. There will be deceivers Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Jesus says the unparalleled persecution begins when the abomination of desolation takes place Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. The period of unprecedented persecution must be cut short to save some of the elect alive Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Christ's arrival will be unmistakable Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before. Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. The arrival of Christ at His coming will follow the cosmic sign which follows the great tribulation Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. At His arrival Christ sends the angels to gather the church unto Himself in the clouds Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Your problem is that you love your lying tradition more than you do the Word of God. You call both Jesus and Paul liars by your reprehensible stubbornness in continuing to proclaim pretribulationism. You will be so ashamed and weep one day because of this, unless you repent. Think of your friends and family, how many of them will be deceived and eternally damned because you gave them false assurance. Jesus said: Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before. It's a shame you arn't listening to what He said, and you think yourself a follower of Jesus Christ. Shame, Shame, Shame on you. All praise, honour, and glory to the Lamb.
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