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  1. Hello, Just registered myself as Dutchess at this forum. I am 35, married and a stay at home mother of a son. When I'm allowed to join, I would really like to meet other christians in the chatroom. Yeshua is my Saviour and I follow Him. But sometimes I feel alone at this path.. Hope to talk to you soon!
  2. I was born with gastroschisis a birth defect (caused me to be born without a belly button) I grew up with my mother and two other siblings. My mum taught me about God and came to my school once to talk about him. After that I was teased and Kids would say things like what I would be getting for my birthday. Kids over heard and mocked saying is Jesus going to buy you that. It was horrible the fact that I didn’t know how to react. I grew up and was very troubled I constantly stayed in my room watched any movie I wanted mostly horror movies. I then felt ill due to having a cyst so I was in hospital for an operation after that. I missed a lot of school and didn’t want to go back. I didn’t like school at all. So I changed schools and the most I went was for two days and I done some study but never finished it. I never went back never got a qualification and never finished school. I then get older and tried to feel something other than pain I was addicted not to the drugs but to sleeping around, I was craving love from all the wrongs things I was so miserable and all the while I called myself a Christian. I went in and out of relationships and suffered depression and anxiety and all the things I tried to harm myself and I felt so rejected I was baptised and had gone to church and meetings. Then I met a guy who was meant to make everything go away I wouldn’t have to fight for love. One night I had a dream I woke up crying and the dream turned out to play out in real life. My sister and boyfriend were sleeping together. I couldn’t handle it I was so broken and cried myself to sleep every night. After two years of going back to the only thing I knew was sleeping around. Then my lord and saviour saved me. I had read the bible and went to church but I never felt it. I needed a way out. So I went to these groups called the Jesus tent with my mum she’d been asking me to go to for ages and she wanted me to watch my little sister. One of my mums friends was there and he prayed for me then along the way id go to meetings and feel touched and start crying uncontrollably in front of everyone. It was my heart crying out to God. The man would come over and ask to pray with me in away that I could connect with. He’d tell me what God wanted me to know and I would just cry. I started to change. I want to say I jumped but I walked into God’s arms. I felt rejected and every time someone would pray for me and break off the rejection and all the things holding me down God was taking away the chains that held me from jumping into his arms. The more I trusted God the more I started to feel changed. He has been so evident in my life with so many blessing I owe everything to God! This is a short version of my testimony if anyone would like to hear more 😊
  3. Hello. I am back after about a year of being on hiatus. I am currently on day 11 sober after a year long relapse. I still have my job and my place. 2 weeks ago, one of my best friends cut me out because of my drinking, I was, and am devastated. Two days later, my other best friend drank herself to death. I had known her for many years and this broke me. Her funeral was May 23rd and I have been sober since. I am struggling to cope and have been in tunnel vision for the last couple weeks. Thankfully, and weirdly I have had no cravings, which has never happened. Ive just been in a daze and havent really thought about it. I have insomnia and will often be up for a couple days at a time while still trying to function at work. I haven't been eating properly and stopped leaving the house after work and on weekends. I don't talk to anyone. I feel like something broke or shut down and Im having difficulty snapping out of it. The silver lining is that I am now sober, preventing me from causing my own funeral. I don't know what sort of prayer to ask for. Maybe clarity. Thank you
  4. Shabbat shalom, naominash. Yes, it's easy to see a totally awesome God, Creator of all that we see, even in the telescopes and microscopes of the world, and think, "How could He love a nobody like me?" Faith comes in when we simply believe that HE DOES, because HE SAID SO! The God, Creator of the Universe, knows YOU! And, we simply trust Him to care about us, even when we were the vilest sinners who ever walked the planet! Not only CAN He justify us through His Son, but He CHOOSES to do just that! We love Him because He first loved us! The more time you spend with Him, just talking to Him and listening to His Word, the closer to Him you will become. The closer you draw to Him, the closer He will draw to you! If God be for us, who can be against us?! There's nothing and no one who can separate us from the love of the Messiah! Trust Him to do for you what only He can do! The closer your relationship to Him becomes, the less you will fear from the world. Simply keep your focus on Him, and He shall grant the desires of your heart. How do I know this? It's simple: As one's mind is more and more attuned to God, the more our desires will be aligned with HIS desires! So, why shouldn't He grant them? May God bless you (make you happy) as you grow in Him!
  5. I was just curios how many believe because God is Sovereign that sin is here by His Will? The God of Scriptures speaks profoundly about His nature of holiness: Ps 93:5 5 Thy testimonies are very sure: holiness becometh thine house, O LORD, for ever. KJV To place sin in the creative act of God or bear witness that God has ordained it to be is, according to the verse above, calling sin the holiness within God's house... The simple construct of God's nature is holiness: Isa 6:1-4 6 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple. 2 Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one cried to another and said: "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; The whole earth is full of His glory!" 4 And the posts of the door were shaken by the voice of him who cried out, and the house was filled with smoke. NKJV Rev 15:4 4 Who shall not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy. For all nations shall come and worship before You, For Your judgments have been manifested." NKJV The necessity to maintain a pure and clean heart to have fellowship with God speaks to us all the total aspect of * God | sin * …and the two cannot have the same source or the necessity to deny the Scriptures that says such: James 3:11-12 11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? 12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. KJV It is by this very example of creation (above) that we join this (below) Rom 1:20 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: KJV
  6. Just when physics has everything figured out, God throws them a curve ball. Source: Sterile Neutrinos I believe there's more mysteries for them to ponder.
  7. Marlene

    Lonely

    I am here to meet and chat with Christians.
  8. This OP is for attempting a combined participation from those who are desiring to know more about the permanency of faith and salvation. I am presenting a couple passages to attempt to initiate interest in others who might desire to list whatever passages they can find relating to this issue that we can analyze together. The reason for my interest in dealing more with this issue is due to the fact that I believe it is the most significant Bible doctrine related to spiritual growth in the “image of Christ.” 2Pet 2:20 “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ . . .” They can obtain mental peace (escape) merely through knowing (but not understanding) Christ’s Gospel and acting in outward motions of false professions and works, but if they have not truly desired to be in His Gospel it will eventually manifest itself when “they are again entangled in them and overcome.” 2Pe 2:21 “For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.” This describes only “knowing the way,” but instead of following it they “turn from it,” and continue as they were. This parallels Heb 10:26: “For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth . . .” (Heb 10:26). Both of these passages are a description of one merely receiving the knowledge of the truth but not receiving the “truth.” In other words, choosing to continue as they were, even after becoming aware of “the truth,” but not choosing to receive and follow it. A Couple Commentator Examples: Albert Barnes (1798–1870): “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world” - This does not necessarily mean that they had been true Christians, and had fallen from grace. People may outwardly reform, and escape from the open corruptions which prevail around them, or which they had themselves practiced, and still have no true grace at heart. “Through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesses Christ” - Neither does this imply that they were true Christians, or that they had ever had any saving knowledge of the Redeemer. There is a knowledge of the doctrines and duties of religion which may lead sinners to abandon their outward vices, which has no connection with saving grace. They may profess religion, and may know enough of religion to understand that it requires them to abandon their vicious habits, and still never be true Christians. “For it had been better for them …” It would have been better for them, for: (1) Then they would not have dishonored the cause of religion as they have now done. (2) They would not have sunk so deep in profligacy as they now have. (3) They would not have incurred so aggravated a condemnation in the world of woe. If people are resolved on being wicked, they had better never pretend to be good. If they are to be cast off at last, it had better not be as apostates from the cause of virtue and religion. 2 Peter 2 Commentary - Albert Barnes' Notes on the Whole Bible John Gill (1697–1771): “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world....” The sins of it, the governing vices of it, which the men of the world are addicted to, and immersed in; for the whole world lies in wickedness, and which are of a defiling nature: the phrase is Rabbinical; it is said {q}, "he that studies not in the law in this world, but is defiled amle ypwnjb, "with the pollutions of the world," what is written of him? and they took him, and cast him without:" these, men may escape, abstain from, and outwardly reform, with respect unto, and yet be destitute of the grace of God; so that this can be no instance of the final and total apostasy of real saints; for the house may be swept and garnished with an external reformation; persons may be outwardly righteous before men, have a form of godliness and a name to live, and yet be dead in trespasses and sins; all which they may have “Through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.” The Vulgate Latin, and all the Oriental versions, read, our Lord, and the latter leave out, "and Saviour"; by which "knowledge" is meant, not a spiritual experimental knowledge of Christ, for that is eternal life, the beginning, pledge, and earnest of it; but a notional knowledge of Christ, or a profession of knowledge of him, for it may be rendered "acknowledgment"; or rather the Gospel of Christ, which, being only notionally received, may have such an effect on men, as outwardly to reform their lives, at least in some instances, and for a while, in whose hearts it has no place. “For it had been better for them....” Not that ignorance is good, or to be excused; but it would have been a lesser evil, and not so much aggravated: "Not to have known the way of righteousness"; the same with "the way of truth," 2 Peter 2:2, and "the right way," 2 Peter 2:15, the Gospel, which points out the way and method of a sinner's justification before God, which is not by the works of the law, but by the righteousness of Christ imputed to them, and received by faith; and which teaches men to live soberly, righteously, and godly; and a large, notional, though not an experimental knowledge, these apostates had of the word and doctrine of righteousness, and indeed of the whole of the Christian religion, which may truly go by this name: "Than after they have known [it];" owned, embraced, and professed it: "To turn:" the Vulgate Latin version, and some copies, as the Alexandrian and others, add, to that which is behind; to their former lusts, or errors, or worse, which they had turned their backs upon externally. "From the holy commandment delivered unto them;" by the commandment is meant the Gospel also, see 2 Peter 3:2; called holy, because of its nature and influence, and in opposition to the pollutions of the world; and which is the faith once delivered, Jude 1:3, and which they received, as delivered to them; and, particularly, the ordinances of it, which they once submitted to, kept, and observed, as they were delivered to them, but now relinquished, or corrupted: wherefore, it would have been better for them to have been in their former ignorance, either in Judaism, or in Gentilism, since proportionate to a man's light is his guilt, and so his punishment, see Romans 2:12. 2 Peter 2 - John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible - Bible Commentary
  9. For those who are confused or not aware why Religious Tolerance is not of Christ I had some statements that would not paste so I will do my best to make it plain its a bout is world peace. This is a movement of interfaith byt the RCC to except other religions as Im OK you are OK so we can lay down the sword of violence in the world. It is basically be religions that believe in one God as Christian Muslim and Jewish My comment-- This will also be the desire of the antichrist Government. He must have the support of friendly religious alliance. This of course is only a temporary stepping stone to power. The false Christian church will also be of political ambition and is already working for interfaith relation's Many Christians also desire world peace, They want the worldly rainbows. Why not Any Questions will be answered
  10. Glad to hear! God' s timing! I'm noticing encouraging sings of the Spirit at work as well. And on the topic of this thread, you can notice a lot of links with sources talking about this specific prayer, as never in other historical periods except for the early first century. We can contribute to get the bride ready for Her bridegroom, praying for Him to rescue Her soon
  11. Interesting comment -- as you think people get banned easily. People get removed from threads for personal attacks. A personal attack -- is not tolerated -- it's not a hard rule. People are removed from threads -- however it's very difficult to be "banned" entirely from the forums! Debate the subject -- not the person! Remember the Terms of Service .... this is what people signed up for to participate in the forums ... This is from the TERMS OF SERVICE -- Abuse of other posters is not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to, name calling, insulting, harassing, threatening or in any way invading the privacy of another poster. We also strongly discourage giving out personal information such as email addresses, physical addresses and phone numbers on the public boards. Any information given out in private is at your own discretion and risk. (Eph. 4: 29) Debate the subject, not the person. It is possible to disagree about a doctrine or subject under discussion without insulting the person with whom you are debating. Also remember that the fact that a person disagrees with you does not mean they are attacking you as a person. Respect each other in the love of God! This is the main reason that threads get stopped, shut down, and even deleted! Users that cannot respect others will be banned. (Lev. 19:18) Just so you know ... Your brother in the Lord with much agape love, George
  12. ‘And when the woman saw .. that the tree was good for food, .... and that it was pleasant to the eyes, ...... and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, .. and did eat, .... and gave also unto her husband with her; ...... and he did eat.’ (Gen 3:6) * The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life (1 John 2:16)
  13. That isnt biblical at all. In the new testament, folks got baptized right away upon professing Christ. Not when mere men decided they met their standard after 2 yrs.
  14. I see now where you got that from my comments, but no, I am English, Scottish, and Swedish. I'm about as gentile as it gets. 😁 That was the ancestry I was referring to.
  15. But Paul says we are not in Darkness and Christ says to watch. What is the point of watching if it does us no good? Even if we do not know the hour we can discern the times if we study and watch. Mar 13:35 "Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming--in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning--
  16. Hi Butero, and thanks for your reply! There is an interesting commentator (Albert Barnes) that points out that Heb 6:4-6 is referring those born again, but verse 6 is just a supposition--"If they fall away," e.g. if they could fall away--they could not be "renewed." To me it's an insinuation of something impossible, i.e. if the sun cease to exist all would be destroyed. The other supposition relates to the supposition that the Son of God could be re-crucified, which is an impossibility. Blessings!
  17. Are there any things or people in your life that are tying you to your sin? You need to disconnect yourself from the old man, so to speak. Do you regularly attend a local gathering of believers, I.E. a good, Bible-teaching church?
  18. Yes shiloh this is how I have always been taught, but there have been now so many threads and members here on worthy that are saying that there will be no rapture before the tribulation and both sides pointing with scripture to defend their stance. It has made me now not know for sure what it will truly be. But as a Christians having a daily relationship with Christ we are told in scripture to persevere no matter what trials befall us , so whether the rapture happens before the tribulation begins or not, it is good for us walking the walk in Christ Jesus to just continue our walk of faith in Him and work out our own salvation with fear and trembling, The bible says no one will know the hour when these things will come about but nevertheless to be prepared as the coming of the Lord will be like a thief coming in the night when we least expect it. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 The Day of the Lord 1Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. 2For you are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.… Philippians 2:12 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. 13For it is God who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good pleasure.…
  19. Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, n2thelight, it is true that the church will be here to experience the unprecedented persecution brought on by the Beast, False Prophet, and their followers. Nonetheless, you better read what Jesus said on the Mount of Olives again, because you and He disagree, and I'm going with Him. Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before. There are multitudes who are "Christian" in name only, these, along with the rest of the world, will be deceived into worshiping the Beast and receiving his mark by the signs, lying wonders and false prophets. However, it is impossible for the truly elect (genuine Christians) to be deceived into receiving the mark and worshiping the Beast. We, as Peter did, should be calling upon "professing Christians" to make their calling and election sure. The multitudes of "professors", those who call themselves Christians, but who don't know Christ, will be offended and fall away when they face unprecedented persecution. Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Mat 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Mat 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; But those who are Christians indeed, will persevere, even unto death. Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. Luk 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Hallelujah
  20. Worse yet is the pious practitioner of Christianity that always tries to set traps for others and turns on most everyone of the local body while cherishing the opportunity to accuse, pointing out the sliver in their eye. Seems to me sharing of Jesus does not require a lot of specific sin calling out, for all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. Calling out specific sin seems to me to get one into a discussion of the degree of sin rather than the need to have sin's price or consequence paid up, in full.
  21. Thank you for your ongoing prayers! I am just past at a bit of a crossroads, having already taken decidedly moral steps in my "new career" as a writer... which I certainly do not regret, but which may delay or even squash my success. Better not to succeed than to succeed under compromise or deception. What good is success the world over if you cannot live with yourself? Still, I am only human (and most of us know what stinkers they are LOL) so please pray I do not have what I call buyer's remorse... where the anxiety comes after making the right decision about all the things you are now missing out on... In those old angel and devil on the shoulder images (the older folks here will know what I'm talking about... usually in cartoons and usually little versions of the host) it was always about the temptation in the beginning. Never the remorse after the temptation has passed and a decision made... hmph. Please pray for old JohnD. Thank you! And please keep my Beloved Bride in your prayers. Her wrist is still a problem (and energy over all), I just pray it's [ONLY] being vintage. Thank You! God bless.
  22. I think that will be a very long wait.
  23. God knows. The 12,000 from the 12 tribes might not know who they are, but the Lord has kept track. 144,000 " Rev 14:4, "These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless." Speculating, one might think these are very young, preteens perhaps. In this age to be a virgin and blameless and so honest no lie was found? Not gonna be 20 somethings. IMO.
  24. Except for the fact im the only one whos any good at it...
  25. Thank you. Maybe this forum can work for me as well.
  26. Either we choose Christ as our Lord and Savior now and bow to Him, or we will be forced to do so at the great white throne judgement. It will be too late at that time. Heb 9:27b NKJV but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, Heb 9:28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Believers will not be at the great while throne judgement. Our names are written in the Lamb's book of life and we will be judged according to the good works He has done through us in this life. Our sins are already blotted out with His blood, so only the good remains to be judged. Romans 1 says that all know about God through nature. Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, Rom 1:19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, Rom 1:21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Rom 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, Rom 1:23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. There will be no more chances for unbelievers to be saved. Most are not saved because of their pride and the hardness of their hearts. That is very hard to hear. It should motivate us to share God's love for sinners with all that we know.
  27. I've finished reading the article on the link...wow..It clears up a lot for me, thank you, again..
  28. Oh, thank you so much for the link..I need to learn more about some of the current Christian music..I do listen to music quite a bit, then I'll see someone say something about it and I'm not sure if I should listen to a group or not..The Getty's write a beautiful song, In Christ Alone..I love the song , I was a little shocked to read that one church denomination, think it was Presbyterian, not sure on which mainstream one it was, but they refused to put it in their hymnal because the verse that says,..on the cross when Jesus died, the wrath of God was satisfied....I don't see anything wrong with those words...I do like some of Hillsong music, but I'm not sure about what the church actually believes, and I am not charismatic.. I would not listen to any song that conveyed an errant message.
  29. Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, The Holy Scriptures tell us that we (the church) are overcomers not by physically prevailing over our enemies, but by our faith, perseverance, and faithfulness even unto death. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Hallelujah
  30. Marlene

    Lonely

    Hi Brian Thank you for these kind words, I feel included already, and yes what lonliness? 😁🙏 Marlene
  31. Thank you. My daughters and grandkids are doing well. All the hurdles on our house are passed and the final closing date is on track for mid-July. We're at a point of find a house in the next week or so or find a place to rent. Overall, we're not too stressed about things. This is about the same situation we were in when we moving into our current house about 20 years ago and we had 3 small kids back then. Fortunately, the feedback from my friend was very helpful a few weeks ago. There was one house we had almost considered making an offer on. He pointed out several things that we had missed that would have been expensive to fix and would have been an ongoing problem. Listening to his comments was educational. I've also spent some time reading some books on house building as well as a number of online resources and I've got a much better sense of what I need to look for as well as what I am looking at. We just checked out an older house today that is looking good. Good solid poured foundation, frame seems good, well-cared for, high quality finishes inside, and most of the mechanicals seem fairly modern. Good neighborhood and location, lot has a nice mix of open yard and good deciduous shade trees that appear healthy, and some potential for adding value over the next few years. There are a few things regarding insulation, siding, lot elevations, and the crawlspace that I'm not sure if I'm looking at a problem or something that is typical. We're planning on driving back up (about 2 hour drive) tomorrow to take a look at the house again with my friend in tow and my MIL to see how well she can get around on the main floor. I'm running an analysis of the housing market and asking prices tonight to get a good sense of what we should offer. We may put in an offer tomorrow. So we're praying for wisdom and guidance.
  32. Yowm I nver sain not to pray for others and our leaders to come to Christ. I mean the corrupted government, religion, and greed of Babylon. When Jesus said I pray not for the world he was talking about rebellion and spirit of antichrist that is and of the world.
  33. Jhn 15:16 NKJV “You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU means exactly that. He chose us for the purpose of bearing fruit. I don't believe this is purely directed to the apostles. But it is apparent that they also thought they had chosen to follow Jesus. I believe that God draws us by His Spirit to believe in Him. But it is possible to resist His Spirit as others have said referring to stiff necked Jews. The fact remains that He does not desire that any should perish but that all should come to knowledge of the truth and many other scriptures reveal Gods will that all be saved. So most of us can look back and recognize how God had wooed us and called us to receive Him. He first chose us according to His foreknowledge. But not all will receive Him.
  34. After reading the link I think I am in between. I believe much prophecy was fulfilled in the past but there is still a lot of unfulfilled prophecy still.
  35. And there is the core and crux of our various disagreements on eschatology. All arguments about the timings, meanings, and identifications of people in Daniel's 70th week all hinge on this, don't they? The reason I rejected the premise stated above is that I see Matt 24 and 1Thess 4 as referring to the same event. Once I rejected the pretribulation rapture of the church, many other things changed as well. I do see a definite difference between national Israel and the church. There is also a difference between fleshly Israel (those born Jews) and believing Jews of all ages or dispensations. It is the second group into which we have been grafted and thereby inherit the kingdom. I could be wrong, but I have found plenty of scripture to support my position. (This in no way makes me think that those who disagree are lost or heretics or anything else.) Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Romans 9:6-7 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Ephesians 2:11-13 ¶ Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Ephesians 3:2-6 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
  36. Willa

    Lonely

    Welcome, Marlene. Worthy is a good place for Christian fellowship. We all need friends. Even more, we all need to share God's love, forgiveness and healing with other.
  37. Shalom, naominash. The word "heart" in Latin is "cor" and that is the basis for our word "core." That's the key. The word "heart" means the CENTER of our thoughts, the CORE of our thoughts! The Hebrew word is "leeV" (pronounced "lave"): 3820 leeV (lave). A form of leeVaaV; the heart; also used (figuratively) very widely for the feelings, the will and even the intellect; likewise for the centre of anything -- + care for, comfortably, consent, X considered, courag(-eous), friend(-ly), ((broken-), (hard-), (merry-), (stiff-), (stout-), double) heart((-ed)), X heed, X I, kindly, midst, mind(-ed), X regard((-ed)), X themselves, X unawares, understanding, X well, willingly, wisdom. 3824 leeVaaV (lay-vawv'). From laaVaV; the heart (as the most interior organ); used also like leeV -- + bethink themselves, breast, comfortably, courage, ((faint), (tender-)heart((-ed)), midst, mind, X unawares, understanding. 3823 laaVaV (law-vav'). A primitive root; properly, to be enclosed (as if with fat); by implication (as denominative from leeVaaV) to unheart, i.e. (in a good sense) transport (with love), or (in a bad sense) stultify; also (as denominative from laaViyVah) to make cakes -- make cakes, ravish, be wise. And, the Greek word is "kardia," from which we get our medical prefix, "cardia," having to do with the heart: 2588 kardia (kar-dee'-ah). Prolonged from a primary kar (Latin cor, "heart"); the heart, i.e. (figuratively) the thoughts or feelings (mind); also (by analogy) the middle -- (+ broken-)heart(-ed). When we seek God with all of our thoughts and feelings, with the very CORE of our being, He has promised that we shall find Him. How? Because HE will be looking for US, He shall make sure that we find Him! 1 John 4:19 19 We love him, because he first loved us.
  38. "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common" - Acts 10:15
  39. Sounds more like you got religion and then you left religion, that's not Christianity.
  40. Your child is with God. It doesn’t matter whether a pregnancy is 1 day or 7 months. It is life. The Life is in the seed. Gen. 9:9. God bless you both.
  41. Newborns that didnt have a choice. That's what you're asking and Christ called them unto Him. He has a plan for them. My wife and I had a miscarriage and know what God has shown us. Blessings waiting for us.
  42. If we start to import images from other parts of the bible, there will be no end to it and we can probably make Rev say anything we want it to say. That is why there is so much confusion over Rev. I believe in the natural reading and that Rev like every other book in the bible is self-explanatory. As I said previously, end-time Israel does not give birth to the end-time church. I see the inconsistency but some may not. That is OK; everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Thanks for the conversation.
  43. You think harpazo cannot apply to Jesus and thus 12:5 does not refer to him but to the end-time church. Yet you think John represents the end-time church in 4:1 even though harpazo is not used. Where is the consistency? That is why those who argue 12:5 is the rapture are usually mid-trib. But more naturally, harpazo in 12:5 is aptly used of Jesus because he was delivered from many attempts by Satan to kill him during his time on earth.
  44. Hi Hazard, I believe all futurists accept that chs 4-22 expand “what must happen hereafter” of 1:19. But apart from pre-trib, other futurists do not interpret “hereafter” as “after the churches.” Because the text does not say that. Instead, “hereafter” normally means “after this” (see ESV) i.e. pointing to the future. So in 4:1 John is told that he will be shown the future in the visions to follow. We need not read more into it than what is there.
  45. I tend to agree. I don't necessarily see elements of divine judgment in the first six seals, especially the fifth as you indicate. The sixth seal tells of the desire to be hidden from the coming wrath, indicating it is still future. And they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” Revelation 6:16-17 Then the seventh seal is opened and begins the series of the seven plagues which are God's judgment on those who have aligned themselves with the false prophet.
  46. Glad to meet someone who is willing to discuss these views without taking things personally. To me, Seal 5 indicates that the seals are not God's judgments. Those who are slain asks God, "How long until you judge the inhabitants of the earth?" If the seals were God's judgments, wouldn't he reply something like, "What do you think is happening now? I am judging the earth." Instead, God tells them to wait a little longer. It implies that his judgments will follow, likely in the form of the trumpet plagues. The church will be removed before the latter. PS. Can't find Mark 21:36 in my bible.
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