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  1. Hello, Just registered myself as Dutchess at this forum. I am 35, married and a stay at home mother of a son. When I'm allowed to join, I would really like to meet other christians in the chatroom. Yeshua is my Saviour and I follow Him. But sometimes I feel alone at this path.. Hope to talk to you soon!
  2. Hello. I am back after about a year of being on hiatus. I am currently on day 11 sober after a year long relapse. I still have my job and my place. 2 weeks ago, one of my best friends cut me out because of my drinking, I was, and am devastated. Two days later, my other best friend drank herself to death. I had known her for many years and this broke me. Her funeral was May 23rd and I have been sober since. I am struggling to cope and have been in tunnel vision for the last couple weeks. Thankfully, and weirdly I have had no cravings, which has never happened. Ive just been in a daze and havent really thought about it. I have insomnia and will often be up for a couple days at a time while still trying to function at work. I haven't been eating properly and stopped leaving the house after work and on weekends. I don't talk to anyone. I feel like something broke or shut down and Im having difficulty snapping out of it. The silver lining is that I am now sober, preventing me from causing my own funeral. I don't know what sort of prayer to ask for. Maybe clarity. Thank you
  3. Retrobyter

    Jeremiah 29 Seek me with your whole heart

    Shabbat shalom, naominash. Yes, it's easy to see a totally awesome God, Creator of all that we see, even in the telescopes and microscopes of the world, and think, "How could He love a nobody like me?" Faith comes in when we simply believe that HE DOES, because HE SAID SO! The God, Creator of the Universe, knows YOU! And, we simply trust Him to care about us, even when we were the vilest sinners who ever walked the planet! Not only CAN He justify us through His Son, but He CHOOSES to do just that! We love Him because He first loved us! The more time you spend with Him, just talking to Him and listening to His Word, the closer to Him you will become. The closer you draw to Him, the closer He will draw to you! If God be for us, who can be against us?! There's nothing and no one who can separate us from the love of the Messiah! Trust Him to do for you what only He can do! The closer your relationship to Him becomes, the less you will fear from the world. Simply keep your focus on Him, and He shall grant the desires of your heart. How do I know this? It's simple: As one's mind is more and more attuned to God, the more our desires will be aligned with HIS desires! So, why shouldn't He grant them? May God bless you (make you happy) as you grow in Him!
  4. Marlene


    I am here to meet and chat with Christians.
  5. Just when physics has everything figured out, God throws them a curve ball. Source: Sterile Neutrinos I believe there's more mysteries for them to ponder.
  6. This OP is for attempting a combined participation from those who are desiring to know more about the permanency of faith and salvation. I am presenting a couple passages to attempt to initiate interest in others who might desire to list whatever passages they can find relating to this issue that we can analyze together. The reason for my interest in dealing more with this issue is due to the fact that I believe it is the most significant Bible doctrine related to spiritual growth in the “image of Christ.” 2Pet 2:20 “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ . . .” They can obtain mental peace (escape) merely through knowing (but not understanding) Christ’s Gospel and acting in outward motions of false professions and works, but if they have not truly desired to be in His Gospel it will eventually manifest itself when “they are again entangled in them and overcome.” 2Pe 2:21 “For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.” This describes only “knowing the way,” but instead of following it they “turn from it,” and continue as they were. This parallels Heb 10:26: “For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth . . .” (Heb 10:26). Both of these passages are a description of one merely receiving the knowledge of the truth but not receiving the “truth.” In other words, choosing to continue as they were, even after becoming aware of “the truth,” but not choosing to receive and follow it. A Couple Commentator Examples: Albert Barnes (1798–1870): “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world” - This does not necessarily mean that they had been true Christians, and had fallen from grace. People may outwardly reform, and escape from the open corruptions which prevail around them, or which they had themselves practiced, and still have no true grace at heart. “Through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesses Christ” - Neither does this imply that they were true Christians, or that they had ever had any saving knowledge of the Redeemer. There is a knowledge of the doctrines and duties of religion which may lead sinners to abandon their outward vices, which has no connection with saving grace. They may profess religion, and may know enough of religion to understand that it requires them to abandon their vicious habits, and still never be true Christians. “For it had been better for them …” It would have been better for them, for: (1) Then they would not have dishonored the cause of religion as they have now done. (2) They would not have sunk so deep in profligacy as they now have. (3) They would not have incurred so aggravated a condemnation in the world of woe. If people are resolved on being wicked, they had better never pretend to be good. If they are to be cast off at last, it had better not be as apostates from the cause of virtue and religion. 2 Peter 2 Commentary - Albert Barnes' Notes on the Whole Bible John Gill (1697–1771): “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world....” The sins of it, the governing vices of it, which the men of the world are addicted to, and immersed in; for the whole world lies in wickedness, and which are of a defiling nature: the phrase is Rabbinical; it is said {q}, "he that studies not in the law in this world, but is defiled amle ypwnjb, "with the pollutions of the world," what is written of him? and they took him, and cast him without:" these, men may escape, abstain from, and outwardly reform, with respect unto, and yet be destitute of the grace of God; so that this can be no instance of the final and total apostasy of real saints; for the house may be swept and garnished with an external reformation; persons may be outwardly righteous before men, have a form of godliness and a name to live, and yet be dead in trespasses and sins; all which they may have “Through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.” The Vulgate Latin, and all the Oriental versions, read, our Lord, and the latter leave out, "and Saviour"; by which "knowledge" is meant, not a spiritual experimental knowledge of Christ, for that is eternal life, the beginning, pledge, and earnest of it; but a notional knowledge of Christ, or a profession of knowledge of him, for it may be rendered "acknowledgment"; or rather the Gospel of Christ, which, being only notionally received, may have such an effect on men, as outwardly to reform their lives, at least in some instances, and for a while, in whose hearts it has no place. “For it had been better for them....” Not that ignorance is good, or to be excused; but it would have been a lesser evil, and not so much aggravated: "Not to have known the way of righteousness"; the same with "the way of truth," 2 Peter 2:2, and "the right way," 2 Peter 2:15, the Gospel, which points out the way and method of a sinner's justification before God, which is not by the works of the law, but by the righteousness of Christ imputed to them, and received by faith; and which teaches men to live soberly, righteously, and godly; and a large, notional, though not an experimental knowledge, these apostates had of the word and doctrine of righteousness, and indeed of the whole of the Christian religion, which may truly go by this name: "Than after they have known [it];" owned, embraced, and professed it: "To turn:" the Vulgate Latin version, and some copies, as the Alexandrian and others, add, to that which is behind; to their former lusts, or errors, or worse, which they had turned their backs upon externally. "From the holy commandment delivered unto them;" by the commandment is meant the Gospel also, see 2 Peter 3:2; called holy, because of its nature and influence, and in opposition to the pollutions of the world; and which is the faith once delivered, Jude 1:3, and which they received, as delivered to them; and, particularly, the ordinances of it, which they once submitted to, kept, and observed, as they were delivered to them, but now relinquished, or corrupted: wherefore, it would have been better for them to have been in their former ignorance, either in Judaism, or in Gentilism, since proportionate to a man's light is his guilt, and so his punishment, see Romans 2:12. 2 Peter 2 - John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible - Bible Commentary
  7. Steve Conley

    Revelation and the Study of Woe

    Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, The Holy Scriptures tell us that we (the church) are overcomers not by physically prevailing over our enemies, but by our faith, perseverance, and faithfulness even unto death. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Hallelujah
  8. Hidden In Him

    Jeremiah 29 Seek me with your whole heart

    Greetings, Naomi! Jeremiah 29 in the Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament) reads as follows, and reveals that it is actually about knowing His prophetic will: 10 For thus said the Lord, "When seventy years shall be on the point of being accomplished at Babylon, I will visit you, and will confirm my words to you, to bring back your people to this place. 11 And I will devise for you a device of peace, and not evil, to bestow upon you these good things. 12 And do ye pray to me, and I will hearken to you: and do ye earnestly seek me, and ye shall find me; 13 for ye shall seek me with your whole heart. 14 And I will appear to you. 15 whereas ye said, 'The Lord has appointed for us prophets in Babylon'" (Jeremiah 36:10-15 in the LXX) These words were fulfilled when He revealed His purposes to the prophet Daniel in Daniel, Chapters 7-12. "I will visit you" was a reference to the visitations he received, some of which were literally as when the angel visited him in Daniel 8:15-19, but visitations are also inferred by everything he describes in Chapter 11 through early Chapter 12, as Daniel 12:4 makes clear. The words "I will devise for you a device of peace, and not evil, to bestow upon you these good things" then refer to how He would move King Cyrus to return Israel to their land. So the words, "do pray to me, and I will hearken to you: and do earnestly seek me, and ye shall find me; 13 for ye shall seek me with your whole heart. 14 And I will appear to you" refer to seeking Him over His prophetic will, and how He would bring about the plans He had purposed for them all along. Now in your own life, the most direct application would be seeking Him to better understand the things He has spoken over you personally, and how He will eventually fulfill those things in your life. A less direct application would be as you are using it: Wanting to simply experience more of God by drawing nearer to Him (James 4:8). This is a VERY good prayer, and if you keep this up and do not doubt but believe that He will make Himself known to you in an ever-increasingly personal way, He will. But in the meantime one of the most important things you can do is increasingly dedicate yourself to the study of His written word. It is by this means that we come to recognize His true voice and His true leadings. Blessings in Christ, and I hope this helps. Hidden In Him
  9. GandalfTheWise

    Frantic Weeks and Month(s)

    Thank you. My daughters and grandkids are doing well. All the hurdles on our house are passed and the final closing date is on track for mid-July. We're at a point of find a house in the next week or so or find a place to rent. Overall, we're not too stressed about things. This is about the same situation we were in when we moving into our current house about 20 years ago and we had 3 small kids back then. Fortunately, the feedback from my friend was very helpful a few weeks ago. There was one house we had almost considered making an offer on. He pointed out several things that we had missed that would have been expensive to fix and would have been an ongoing problem. Listening to his comments was educational. I've also spent some time reading some books on house building as well as a number of online resources and I've got a much better sense of what I need to look for as well as what I am looking at. We just checked out an older house today that is looking good. Good solid poured foundation, frame seems good, well-cared for, high quality finishes inside, and most of the mechanicals seem fairly modern. Good neighborhood and location, lot has a nice mix of open yard and good deciduous shade trees that appear healthy, and some potential for adding value over the next few years. There are a few things regarding insulation, siding, lot elevations, and the crawlspace that I'm not sure if I'm looking at a problem or something that is typical. We're planning on driving back up (about 2 hour drive) tomorrow to take a look at the house again with my friend in tow and my MIL to see how well she can get around on the main floor. I'm running an analysis of the housing market and asking prices tonight to get a good sense of what we should offer. We may put in an offer tomorrow. So we're praying for wisdom and guidance.
  10. Willa

    Blessings from the Netherlands

    Welcome to Worthy, Dutchess!
  11. Mike Mclees

    Pray for America pray for the world ?

    Yowm I nver sain not to pray for others and our leaders to come to Christ. I mean the corrupted government, religion, and greed of Babylon. When Jesus said I pray not for the world he was talking about rebellion and spirit of antichrist that is and of the world.
  12. Brother Duke

    Revelation and the Study of Woe

    After reading the link I think I am in between. I believe much prophecy was fulfilled in the past but there is still a lot of unfulfilled prophecy still.
  13. JoeChan82

    Revelation and the Study of Woe

    And there is the core and crux of our various disagreements on eschatology. All arguments about the timings, meanings, and identifications of people in Daniel's 70th week all hinge on this, don't they? The reason I rejected the premise stated above is that I see Matt 24 and 1Thess 4 as referring to the same event. Once I rejected the pretribulation rapture of the church, many other things changed as well. I do see a definite difference between national Israel and the church. There is also a difference between fleshly Israel (those born Jews) and believing Jews of all ages or dispensations. It is the second group into which we have been grafted and thereby inherit the kingdom. I could be wrong, but I have found plenty of scripture to support my position. (This in no way makes me think that those who disagree are lost or heretics or anything else.) Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Romans 9:6-7 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Ephesians 2:11-13 ¶ Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Ephesians 3:2-6 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
  14. Retrobyter

    Jeremiah 29 Seek me with your whole heart

    Shalom, naominash. The word "heart" in Latin is "cor" and that is the basis for our word "core." That's the key. The word "heart" means the CENTER of our thoughts, the CORE of our thoughts! The Hebrew word is "leeV" (pronounced "lave"): 3820 leeV (lave). A form of leeVaaV; the heart; also used (figuratively) very widely for the feelings, the will and even the intellect; likewise for the centre of anything -- + care for, comfortably, consent, X considered, courag(-eous), friend(-ly), ((broken-), (hard-), (merry-), (stiff-), (stout-), double) heart((-ed)), X heed, X I, kindly, midst, mind(-ed), X regard((-ed)), X themselves, X unawares, understanding, X well, willingly, wisdom. 3824 leeVaaV (lay-vawv'). From laaVaV; the heart (as the most interior organ); used also like leeV -- + bethink themselves, breast, comfortably, courage, ((faint), (tender-)heart((-ed)), midst, mind, X unawares, understanding. 3823 laaVaV (law-vav'). A primitive root; properly, to be enclosed (as if with fat); by implication (as denominative from leeVaaV) to unheart, i.e. (in a good sense) transport (with love), or (in a bad sense) stultify; also (as denominative from laaViyVah) to make cakes -- make cakes, ravish, be wise. And, the Greek word is "kardia," from which we get our medical prefix, "cardia," having to do with the heart: 2588 kardia (kar-dee'-ah). Prolonged from a primary kar (Latin cor, "heart"); the heart, i.e. (figuratively) the thoughts or feelings (mind); also (by analogy) the middle -- (+ broken-)heart(-ed). When we seek God with all of our thoughts and feelings, with the very CORE of our being, He has promised that we shall find Him. How? Because HE will be looking for US, He shall make sure that we find Him! 1 John 4:19 19 We love him, because he first loved us.
  15. patrick jane

    Sayings and Catch Phrases

    "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common" - Acts 10:15
  16. Abdicate

    What if

    Sounds more like you got religion and then you left religion, that's not Christianity.
  17. I agree for 100% with Hazard , your baby is with the Lord ...
  18. Your child is with God. It doesn’t matter whether a pregnancy is 1 day or 7 months. It is life. The Life is in the seed. Gen. 9:9. God bless you both.
  19. Newborns that didnt have a choice. That's what you're asking and Christ called them unto Him. He has a plan for them. My wife and I had a miscarriage and know what God has shown us. Blessings waiting for us.
  20. ghtan

    Defense of the Mid Trib Rapture

    If we start to import images from other parts of the bible, there will be no end to it and we can probably make Rev say anything we want it to say. That is why there is so much confusion over Rev. I believe in the natural reading and that Rev like every other book in the bible is self-explanatory. As I said previously, end-time Israel does not give birth to the end-time church. I see the inconsistency but some may not. That is OK; everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Thanks for the conversation.
  21. ghtan

    Defense of the Mid Trib Rapture

    You think harpazo cannot apply to Jesus and thus 12:5 does not refer to him but to the end-time church. Yet you think John represents the end-time church in 4:1 even though harpazo is not used. Where is the consistency? That is why those who argue 12:5 is the rapture are usually mid-trib. But more naturally, harpazo in 12:5 is aptly used of Jesus because he was delivered from many attempts by Satan to kill him during his time on earth.
  22. ghtan

    Defense of the Mid Trib Rapture

    Hi Hazard, I believe all futurists accept that chs 4-22 expand “what must happen hereafter” of 1:19. But apart from pre-trib, other futurists do not interpret “hereafter” as “after the churches.” Because the text does not say that. Instead, “hereafter” normally means “after this” (see ESV) i.e. pointing to the future. So in 4:1 John is told that he will be shown the future in the visions to follow. We need not read more into it than what is there.
  23. Last Daze

    Defense of the Mid Trib Rapture

    I tend to agree. I don't necessarily see elements of divine judgment in the first six seals, especially the fifth as you indicate. The sixth seal tells of the desire to be hidden from the coming wrath, indicating it is still future. And they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” Revelation 6:16-17 Then the seventh seal is opened and begins the series of the seven plagues which are God's judgment on those who have aligned themselves with the false prophet.
  24. ghtan

    Defense of the Mid Trib Rapture

    Glad to meet someone who is willing to discuss these views without taking things personally. To me, Seal 5 indicates that the seals are not God's judgments. Those who are slain asks God, "How long until you judge the inhabitants of the earth?" If the seals were God's judgments, wouldn't he reply something like, "What do you think is happening now? I am judging the earth." Instead, God tells them to wait a little longer. It implies that his judgments will follow, likely in the form of the trumpet plagues. The church will be removed before the latter. PS. Can't find Mark 21:36 in my bible.
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