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You have not read what follows John 3:16:- 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God. As you say God will judge our thoughts and deeds. A question for you, if someone does not love God, who is it that they love? Acts4: 12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” If someone does not accept Jesus as there saviour just what are they trusting in?

I think the "seek the kingdom of heaven first" means that it is more important to do that than it is to seek great wealth, fame, and things like that. If you have problems, deal with them, but do so with the counsel of the Lord, because he can solve all your problems for you.

Sex is also something not to be entered into hastily. Why are people so casual about sharing their body with someone they hardly know when they're not prepared to commit the rest of their lives (finances, future, etc) to that person? What happens if the contraception fails and the woman gets pregnant? What happens if one dies? - in most countries the other partner is not automatically entitled to inherit the house etc. According to the Bible, if you have sex with someone you are becoming 'one flesh', whether married to them or not (I Corinthians 6:16). If you choose to live together without getting married, you are therefore in a state of tension - either deceiving each other about your level of commitment or deceiving the rest of the world about your intentions. Lack of finance is a feeble excuse, really. There is no law that says a wedding has to be expensive.

Thanks for the input Renee. I want to point out however (not to you specifically, but to all who participate here) that this topical thread here in the Bible Club is not intended to really be a place of in depth discussion. There is an entire forum out there where these things are discussed and they too often become a battle zone of seemingly warring factions! Here it is really intended to be a place where scripture is read and pondered.. I knew I was taking a little risk by even including this topic. The way it is here however, it started with a list of verses that both sides use to support their views of the answer to the question of whether a believer can lose salvation. The hope is that people can read the verses and come to conclusions based on them and not upon the input of others. Nor is this for seeking proof texts for people already believe or what they want to believe. Acts 17:11 says: Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. When I started this club, it was in the hopes that it would make it easier for people to get into the habit of DAILY Bible reading. Familiarity with the Word, with ALL of the word, will help immensely with understanding. In my opinion (and that is all it is) people will normally begin to get a good familiarity with scripture once they have read the Bible 5 times or so. On the schedule here, that would take 5 years. Unfortunately, I think it is rare to find a Christian who has read all of the Bible, 5 times (or even once)/. Perhaps they have read the New Testament, but most Christians (in my experience) know a lot of specific passages but not so much the Old Testament. We tend to forget (perhaps) that in the first century, the Old Testament was what they had, and and a few encouraging letters from apostles. I admit that if I loved the Lord as much as I might make it seem at times, I see no reason why I could not be reading the whole Bible let's say three times a years or more. It is hard to really understand the New Testament apart from the Old Testament. The New Testament is constantly referring to the Testament, using it as background as a teacher about our failures, our sin, our damaged relationship with God, etc. The New Testament explains and develops how mankind's dilemma is repaired by the Savior predicted in the Old Testament. Basically it is hard (maybe not even possible) to really understand the New Testament without the background of the Old, nor is it possible to fully understand the Old Testament without the revelation of the New. They are BOTH the one word of God for mankind. Too much focus on the O.T. without the understanding of the N.T. can contribute to Phariseeism or Legalism. Focusing exclusively on the N.T. without the background of the O.T. as our teacher to lead us to Christ, can contribute to immature 'believers' who deceive themselves into thinking that the grace of God is a get out of jail free card, as if the New Testament ignores the necessity to live Holy lives set apart for God's purposes with Him (not ourselves) as the center of the universe and the most important thing there ever will be. O.K. I have gotten way off track here. I just want to emphasize that the main idea of the club, is to give people an easy way, a systematic way, of getting the WHOLE Bible read once a year. Nothing is magic about once a year, it is just convenient to our thinking, and and easier thing to set up. Here, the pace is leisurely, not burdensome, and if we fall a day or to behind, it is not difficult to catch up again. There is seldom more that 20 minutes a day, required, and for those who do not read well, the audio text is also available. Also the way this is set up, both testaments happen every day. Of course there are other ways of reading the Bible daily, and some people do that. This is to make it simple for those who are not in the habit of doing so to stop procrastinating and begin. Perhaps eventually, there will be enough people involved here, that we begin to encourage each other, and so a small degree become willingly accountable to start reading daily. I do wish (for the sake of individuals and for the sake of His church, that more people would read the Bible daily. People do not need to be believers to get into the habit of Bible reading, but it is difficult for many non-believers to approach the Bible with an open mind, not trying to find fault with it. This is understandable, because the Bible presents us as sinners, basically evil, and enemies of God. Who wants to think of themselves in those terms? Until we surrender our will to Him and acknowledge His total right to our lives, and a right (as Creator) to do with us as He pleases, we probably will not view ourselves honestly. Apart from belief and that that surrender of our will to His will, we are not indwelt with His Holy Spirit, without whom is it not possible to understand what He has revealed. We who are so indwelt, can still mis-understand and get things wrong, but reading the Bible daily, only improves our chances of getting it right! So my friends, dig in!

I so very much agree. I also think it gets lost among many Christians now. Worshipping as a corporate body is awesome.

A poor story is just a morality lecture that is little different than quoting scripture to someone who does not believe in biblical authority. A good story will draw in the listener, strong feelings will arise in agreement with the main point, and then perhaps the story might flip a mirror back on them. This is not just pointing out something is wrong. It is drawing someone in so that they agree that it is wrong. I think many parables in the Bible are solid examples of good stories that express biblical values. The use of parables goes back at least as far as Nathan with King David. Various prophets used them and Jesus used them extensively. If you write morality plays, people will probably just ignore them or dislike them. If you write effective parables, people will learn and see things differently. It's the difference between telling someone what to think and leading them along a path to where they naturally come to that conclusion on their own.

i find some peoples view of the faith too simplistic, what i mean is some say that only christians go to heaven while everyone goes to hell, i do not think that just because people do not believe automatically go to hell, though they will be judged and without an advocate like we have and their only defense is ignorance. but paul writes in romans that those who do not know will be convicted or justified by their own conscience. but what does the gospels say, that Jesus so loved the world that he gave his son, does it say he only loved christians that he gave his only son, no but the whole world, i reckon when it is all done and God judges the thoughts and deeds of men that we will be amazed at Gods mercy not only for the believer but also for those who remain ignorant. also it is us who know him and his ways that if we continue to sin will be judged more harshly.

There is no truth to any of this. Don't believe it.

Kristin, My mother-in law was a chronic liar and a professed Christian as well. I used to wonder why she lied so much when her lies had no clear purpose, were easily disproven and easy to see through the deception. When asked about one of her clear lies she would get upset and defensive. I concluded that unless she was able to recognize, admit and be willing to stop (almost like someone who is addicted to something), it would be hard to help her. As you found, with your own mom she doesn’t like being challenged on her lying and gets upset when you ask her about her Christianity. Please continue to pray to God to change her heart and bring recognition of her sin to her mind so she can truly live in the truth. God is the one with the power to change anyone. The Bible tells us that God is a God of Truth and that He desires that all people speak truth to each other at all times. Proverbs 23:23, “Get the truth and never sell it; also get wisdom, discipline, and good judgment.” Proverbs 12:22, “The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in those who tell the truth.” Colossians 3:9-10, “Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.”

Thank you to all of you brothers and sisters! I must say that anxiety, fear and worry is what we all experience from time to time. After all of the advices I got, I was overwhelmed and didn't know where to start. So I made the choice to start with God and it has been so much help. I saw great improvement in one day I spent with God. I felt at peace and rest. There is a lesson I learned from all of this. It is if you ever find yourself in this kind of situation where you are worried and anxious your first priority should be God. Of course we can seek help of other Christian's, but the way I see it. The Christian community or whoever we look up to for help is there only to pray and encourage you. Ultimately it's between you and God. So when we seek God first we are not being selfish and self centered. We are not focusing on our problems but focusing on Gods righteousness. With the same love that Jesus showed us, we are showing to others. When we live for God and others suddenly our problems disappear. We live in a selfish culture. But we as Christian's must not be confirmed into this world! Your brother in Christ Keny

Yes, exactly. It would appear that our friend assumes it's a cake walk to Heaven, just by being a nice guy. I don't think so, however. And this is why. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me. KJV

I'm afraid that's not gonna fly a whole lotta yardage, when the Book of Life is opened, and the question is then asked, "Is his/her name written it it?" Just saying.

May I suggest that you talk to her. Tell her that you are concerned for her, ask about the church she attends, and about what she believes. You will need to repeat that you love her and are concerned for her.

There are people who are compulsive liars. Telling a lie is a sin.

Love, Romance, marriage , sex ......no different than any other decisions in the Life Of a Believer .....do it God’s Way and be blessed — do it any other way and miss out on that blessing....

Wow Some of the music that has truly moved me into worship has been Messianic music, written after that date. Paul wilbur, ted pearce etc have wonderful music.

I guess the question for me is not as much "how serious is fornication" as it is "how serious is disobeying God?"

Sounds to me like you have adapted to the times, Melinda. Marriage really is a lifetime work! Shouldn't start it taking the easy/worldly way. Accept the waiting and hardships up front, save the fun for later, to strengthen the bond. You do believe a marriage should be based on the word, right? God has not changed His plan for us in marriage. He told/showed us the best way. God's way's are not man's ways..

You don't need to have sex, or even live together to get to know someone better....

They are already condemned by God. It is not His will that they live together without the ordinance of marriage.. it is not up to me to condemn them.

What is fornication? Illicit sex relations outside of Scriptural marriage. The Greek word translated “fornication” is por·neiʹa. Regarding the meanings of por·neiʹa, B. F. Westcott in his book Saint Paul’s Epistle to the Ephesians (1906, p. 76) says: “This is a general term for all unlawful intercourse, (I) adultery: Hos. ii. 2, 4 (LXX.); Matt. v. 32; xix. 9; (2) unlawful marriage, I Cor. v. I; (3) fornication, the common sense as here [Eph 5:3].” Bauer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (revised by F. W. Gingrich and F. Danker, 1979, p. 693) defines por·neiʹa as “prostitution, unchastity, fornication, of every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse.” Porneia is understood to involve the grossly immoral use of the genital organ(s) of at least one human; also there must have been two or more parties (including another consenting human), whether of the same sex or the opposite sex. (Jude 7) I understand that we live in times where fornication is totally acceptable by most people, but the Bible condemns it. One could attempt to rationalize it away by say that the two people love each other, or that they are checking out compatibility or that there are financial considerations that make not getting married more economically sensible. But these "reasons" (actually excuses) do NOT obviate the need to obey God and keep sex out of the equation until marriage. If you are in such an arrangement wherein you are living with someone without marriage, then today you need to move out and just date the person to see if he or she is a good spiritual match for yourself and then get married and resume your sexual life. Galations 6: 7,8 comes to mind:  :Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a person is sowing, this he will also reap;  because the one sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh, but the one sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the spirit."

We persevere under trials because we give those trials to God. We have faith and trust that He will get us through those trials.

This is for the King of kings I pray it brings Him glory The One who bled and died for us Salvation is HIS story No one else could pay the price Or free us from our shame The risen Lord who is the Christ And Jesus is His Name! Jesus Christ Is The King From sunrise to sunset From winter to spring From morning to evening And in every thing In good times and bad times In joy and in sorrow In sickness and health For today and tomorrow When fears are arising And doubts flood the heart When Satan is roaring And life falls apart In blessing and trials In pleasure and pain Jesus Christ is the King Who forever shall reign Nothing changes what's real These are shadows we see But the Light is in heaven The Truth sets us free

Worship Is Verb ! Are you worshiper ? In recent generation everything is getting update and this affected to worship pattern. Whenever I go to worship the Lord almighty God, I remember the first commandment that you should not have any other god before me. I would like to share here a simple thought. that is.....except God if we give more priority to anything that would be not called to worship GOD. Today Churches look inside and outside is become more than a concert place. where people go to see people who are on the stage and musician to listen their music. I want to learn here. Can't you worship God without disco light or heavy rock music. Come, oh heave laden "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Mathew : 11:28 (NIV). I am grateful to God who used me to lead worship and i have seen many believers getting in side the church with burden. that forced me to lead worship to help them to come in Gods presence and speak to God at the end. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” (John: 4:24) NIV. Thank you.

It is a great question. I don't know what it will be like in heaven, whether we can see Father God or not. It must be like looking at the sun or a welding torch, that it would destroy our eyes to try to look at Him. 1Ti 6:14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing, 1Ti 6:15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 1Ti 6:16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen. 1Jn 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. We are also told that God is love. While I think we will be in awe of Father God, I can't help but think that His love will envelope us more than we have ever known. His purity as light and love sounds so beautiful. While we can't see the Holy Spirit, we can see His effect on our own lives and the lives of others. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit and we are being built together as His temple. We are His home! Our God is just too wonderful.

Hi Willa, Now that would have been wonderful to listen to those sermons. We need more of that today and less about us, for as you so rightly say we are to keep our eyes on Jesus. And that means to know Him more. Thank you for that contribution, Marilyn.

The Revelation is revealing Jesus Christ. We once had a series of sermons of all the ways Jesus is portrayed or revealed in the Revelation. It was one of the best studies and I still remember it from the 70s. We are, after all, supposed to keep our eyes on our Savior and to look for His appearing.

How serious is fornication? There will be no-one in heaven who practices sex outside of marriage (fornication). 1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1Ti 1:9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for theungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1Ti 1:10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine Heb 13:4 Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

"Worship; the act of attributing reverent honor and homage to God." Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God--this is your true and proper worship. Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will. Romans 12, 1-2 Individuals worship.

Not confirmed, but there is a lot of gang activity in the area. More than one shooter too from other news sources. Not enough information out there yet.

My late mother often told good story of our family relative, such as how dilligent her cousin was, how good they were with business etc only for me to find those good story was a novel story, because she help them greatly with money so she need to justify her good deed which came to ungrateful hands

I hear that. Some relatives from cold country asked my how I was dealing with the heat on Skype. I told them it was 112 outside and a comfortable 80 inside, so the heat of the day wasn't a problem. The look on their face? Priceless.

Spending the hot part of the day inside the home down here in Texas is called la siesta. Snoozzzing. I always try to abide by the local customs. "Vamos a la casa fresca"

Enjoying the air conditiong!

I have known a few people like that, Kristin. I suppose, but can't make a quick snap-judgement about your mother in saying she could possibly be a pathological liar. It kinda leaves a bad taste in your mouth, even saying a term like that for someone that is your parent. If she's 82, it's not likely that she'll change at this point. And there's a remote chance that it could be a mental deficiency of some sort. The Lord would certainly be mercifully understanding and forgiving in this case. At least I believe so.

A biblical theology of worship will result in worship that changes the heart. The worshiper will have an ever greater desire to love and obey the Lord.

If I might add.. To say that one has to live together first to see if you are compatible is essentially saying that God doesnt know what is best.

Now I don’t know how Adam looked when created. But if he looked like us I wonder if they marveled at his humanity that was so simple. And not adorned as the Bible description of Angels.

Anytime anyone forms a serious relationship with someone (including sexual relations, living together, and legally sharing assets), they are fully exposed to most of the pitfalls of a bad marriage even if they haven't had a wedding or formally married. STDs, unplanned pregnancy, emotional baggage if the partner turns out to be abusive, exposure to illegal activities of the partner, fraud, and pretty much anything else can hit you with long term consequences that can hinder subsequent relationships and change your quality of life for a long time. Planning on using living together as a test run for marriage simply increases the odds of having more baggage in your life before you find a person you do want to spend the rest of your life with. When push comes to shove, the Christian perspective is to do your due diligence before getting involved in sex, romance, and love and marriage. Get to know their friends, family, listen to your friends and family, watch them closely, and take any red flags very seriously. Unless one is so emotionally shallow that sex, romance, and love can be turned on and off like choosing what TV show to watch, having sex, romance, and love with someone is a large part of the emotional and spiritual union aspect of a marriage. It is something that ties us deeply to another person and it is usually only with a great deal of pain that we untie ourselves from that other person. Forming such a bond with sex, romance, and love is NOT the way to determine if someone is good marriage material. Indeed, that initial infatuation of romance and love causes many people to overlook a lot of red flags and get heavily involved with people that they'd never think twice about if they weren't in a hormone induced drunkenness of lovey-dovey feelings. The main effect of the Christian perspective of due diligence before getting involved is that it increases the odds of having a lifetime happy marriage which will be a blessing to both partners, their friends, and families. It doesn't guarantee things will be great, but it improves the odds by immediately eliminating poor choices for a mate without consequence and reducing the baggage you carry into marriage. I'm now in my late 50s and married for over 30 years. I've observed a lot of marriages in my life. Those that end typically fit two categories. The first is that due diligence was not done and one partner married someone with several red flags that their friends and family tried to warn them about or they ignored those red flags thinking love would make it all work out. The second is partners that didn't take care of their marriage and failed to continually nourish and care for it. All of us change over time and our marriage must adapt and change with it. One of my biggest frustrations in western culture is the level of generational isolation I see. I often do figurative face-palms whenever I hear or read relationship "advice" from teens and young adults given to their peers. It's basically the blind leading the blind setting themselves up for heartbreak and failure. If you want to learn about how to make a relationship work, go to a senior center, find a widow or widower with prominent pictures of their family, their wedding picture, and pictures of their spouse, and ask them about their marriage and family. Find people who made it work for decades and learn from them. They'll love to talk about those things because they were such a huge and fulfilling part of their lives. They'll be able to give you a complete and detailed rundown of every annoying and frustrating and stupid thing that person ever did, and they'd give anything to just have them back to hold and hug for one day. That's what a good marriage is about. It's about two imperfect people that somehow manage not to strangle each other and yet become an indispensable part of each other's lives.

It used to be a blood test was required so that the marrying couple would not produce children with issues ( an incompatible A, AB, AB- etc) an that they were of age and not closely related so offspring were healthy. So yes a marriage licence is a protection, not just a money grab.

People worry about commandment keeping. God does not. Religion worries about the Law. God does not. God's point of view is "Grace and Truth". Jesus is Both. Concern yourself with those, and you'll live a life that pleases God. A life that is pleasing to God, is concerned with this idea...."Is what im doing with my time, pleasing God my Father". Work on that, perfect that, every second of every day.

The old paths are older than the Law...it is the path and Way that Adam and Eve had failed to choose....the Tree of Life. Remember Jesus was/is the last Adam...made a quickening spirit...He is that Tree of Life. (See Romans 5). Jer 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein (foreseeing and foretelling how Israel would reject the new covenant, sadly). Israel was instructed by the Lord through prophecy to forget, as it were, the old covenant and embrace the new, which the old was only a type and shadow of: Isa 43:15-19 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King. Thus saith the LORD, which maketh a way in the sea, and a path in the mighty waters; Which bringeth forth the chariot and horse, the army and the power; they shall lie down together, they shall not rise: they are extinct, they are quenched as tow (disarmed the powers and principalities through the cross, the Way of the cross). Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.

And yet in Canada, living together for 6mos., is I believe common-law- marriage equal to a real marriage and if there is a break up the property is divided as in a divorce. So, why not do it God’s way and if it is not good after six mos. it was never good but for the privilege of intimacy and financial gain.

God is Light. No darkness, at all. His promises are true! All of them. For which cause I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed. For I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that Day. 2 Timothy 1:12 ( true/false? :) Not my inability to hold on to Him. But. His ability/power to hold/keep me!

Yes indeed, all those who WILL live Godly SHALL suffer persecution, as it is written in the word. There are many troubles that satan the arch deceiver and abuser comes to trouble the saints and they come in various ways, some seen and some invisible to others. We are to run the race with diligence and perseverance and all the above you mention, keeping our lamps lit. Nice post and the pic depicts in a simple way that the believer life here is to stand firm on the word against all the odds. 2 Timothy 3 King James Version (KJV) 10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Nice to see a thread of friendly discussion, and not one that turns into endless pages of a heated debate. Alright then. Carry on - let it roll. God bless! Shalom, David/BeauJangles

Oh , I sure did forget to say the cirumstances on the marriage ordeal . So I guess that one will be left unanswered . The man is me . They said they could total it , and give me that value , Only I need the vehicle for my self employed job . So , I was fully determined that if I only got ten bucks , I WOULD NEVER SUE them . I Flat out refused it . Ends up I got an eight hundred dollar check . And kept the vehicle . But I bodly refuse to sue . As for the remarriage , I wont remarry it would be adultery . I stick with JESUS words and will twist none . But I don't want anyone worried about how depressed or lonely they think I might be , By honoring JESUS and refusing to partake in adultery . ITS SO JOYFUL and what GREAT PEACE to just FOLLOW and OBEY the LORD . No Prozac for me , TOTAL JOY in the LORD . I hope we learning some things and are encouraged by this .

As I read this I am reminded of Michal and her chastisement of David for dancing for the Lord. 20 When David returned home to bless his own family, Michal, the daughter of Saul, came out to meet him. She said in disgust, “How distinguished the king of Israel looked today, shamelessly exposing himself to the servant girls like any vulgar person might do!” 21 David retorted to Michal, “I was dancing before the Lord, who chose me above your father and all his family! He appointed me as the leader of Israel, the people of the Lord, so I celebrate before the Lord. 22 Yes, and I am willing to look even more foolish than this, even to be humiliated in my own eyes! But those servant girls you mentioned will indeed think I am distinguished!” I travel a lot, have been to more than two dozen countries and most states in this great country. I have been to almost every "type" of church. Through that experience I have found there is no right way or wrong way to worship our Lord. I have been to churches that were 100% acapella, not an instrument to be found. It was a moving and touching experience. I have been to churches with 10 pieces band and 4 singers leading the worship time. It was an amazing worship, I could feel the love for our Lord all around me. I have been to churches with people literally dancing in the aisles during worship. It was wonderful to see people give themselves fully to their worship of the Lord. All had one thing in common, they all worshiped the Lord and gave him Praise. Different people like different things, that is the way our God made us. We should embrace that, not try to get others to be like us.

I personally don't think God simply wants us to wash other peoples feet. I do believe He would be pleased if we are willing to 'submit' ourselves to serving others, to the servants position, even on our knees.

I went to Burger King then did computer gaming. Oh and I took a shower too.