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This one is being posted for those who have lost a loved one and are missing them. Holidays are a time we just naturally think about family and want to be with them. This is my first Christmas without my mom (she passed on Feb 27th of this year.) This is a beautiful song about a brother in Christ who lost his daughter. He finds peace in the thoughts of her being with Jesus. I pray it is a comfort to someone out there.

Friday 12-13-19, Kislev 16, 5780 6th. day of the weekly cycle, 82nd. Fall day, Righteousness exalts a nation, sin is a reproach and humiliation, but revival brings restoration. Revival is the restoration of a nation. “ When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice. but when the wicked bear rule, the people mourn.” “Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.” Proverbs Fourteen:34 (KJV) Romans Six:15-23 King James Version (KJV) Believers Death to Sin in Practice: 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Read more at Serenity Prayer Love always, Walter and Debbie

The command to honor my parents has been a difficult one meaning I do not try to speak ill of them all Willy nilly but if I need help in an area and it's in relation to them I am honest so I can be helped. It's interesting though I came from an unsavory upbringing and one has died my mine only searches for the best in that one because at the end of the day though few and infrequent there were some and I refuse to be bitter. I honor my living mother by doing what is best for us both..a restraining order lol.. so yes kinda a confusing thing to do when parents are sinfully abusive. Just my thoughts and experience for now.

The strange thing about this as an international observer. I live in Israel most of the year ... and I hear jets flying overhead since an Israeli air force base is fairly close as well as the fact that jets patrol up and down the Jordan valley 24/7 ... I've never seen them in Israel. While I was in England for 3 weeks ... I never saw a single trail in the UK. Then on our travels here in the US ... it's EVERYWHERE. I'm definitely wondering what's up!

What made me a serious Christian was reading about people who have seen heaven/hell and god/Jesus on youtube and the internet in general. Check out Bill wiese 23 minutes in hell and kat kerrs revealing heaven books. They are both on youtube as well. Also, I find evolution bizarre and not believable and I find god creating this complex, well made universe much more believable than the universe forming by chance. Also there are documents outside the bible that confirm Jesus existence and the fact he was crucified. So if he was lying that he was the son of god then why would he get crucified? Why wouldn't he back down? Same with the disciples. They were mostly brutally murdered. The disciples didn't back down because they saw the risen Christ and miracles. Makes sense to me. Plus there are near-death experiences that confirm heaven/hell and many similarities among them such as colours we haven't seen on earth, beautiful music that words can't describe, feeling great levels of peace, joy and love to name a few. Gods popularity also makes me naturally inquisitive and then there is bible prophecy that has come true and where written beforehand. Oh and lastly there's the bible . I just know god and Jesus are real and it gives me joy, peace and hope to in this life

A prayer song by Larry Norman I've related to and have sung to God over the years. I love the heart-wrenching lyrics and his vulnerability/honesty. @BeauJangles I wondered if you've ever heard the alternate version of this song by Honeytree? That one is excellent, too. It was actually the first version I was aware of upon buying her classic "Evergreen" LP. I didn't discover that it was a Larry Norman song till many years later.

I would say it's up to your mother. If she wants to divorce her husband, that is completely okay (Matthew 19:9).

Check out the cover of this book: https://www.sovereignworld.com/loved-like-never-before/ Your heavenly Father God can be cuddly as it says in Romans 8, Abba Father (means Daddy God) with you on His lap. There is also His tough love that teaches you to be strong so you can cope with life better. This kind of love is prudent e.g. when you put your hand too close to the fire place you get a smack on your wrist from Dad but you never burn your hand again for the rest of your life. Hebrews 12:5‭-‬6 ESV "And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? "My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives."" When things go wrong, ask yourself the question, is God disciplining me for something I have done wrong? Maybe He has been trying to tell you for ages and you had been suffering lots but you did not change as you did not know. If you start asking, finding out through prayer and then repenting of whatever it is, you will start to have a much more successful and joyful life. He is raising you as His child. God is love and He will love you however He can in whatever situation or place you are in, in order to help you. N.B; the book mentioned above is amazing. The Father figure is the most vital relationship you can have therefore this book will significantly strengthen your Christian walk i.e. people say "he knows the Father". The Father is greater than Jesus and He is the sovereign ruler of the whole universe. A nice old hymn about your Father in heaven: Father God I wonder how I managed to exist without the knowledge of your parenthood and your loving care. But now I am your son, I am adopted in your family, I can never be alone as Father God your here beside me. I will sing your praises. I will sing your praises. I will sing your praises for forever more. You are His biological child and He can never let you go. He is outside of time and knows the future perfectly thus He is perfectly powerful. He is God thus He can pause time, rearrange things and then press play again e.g. World war 1 1914 Christmas truce football match. Joshua 10:13 when the sun stopped (how we measure time). Selah. You are safe child ?

Time for those of you who keep saying that the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 is a prophecy about the End Times to make your case, both scripturally and historically. Should be interesting. I hold the view, because the preponderance of evidence supports it, that the 70th week was fulfilled in the first century AD, and has nothing to do with the End Times. As the following posts from my blog show: Daniel 9:24-27 Examined, Part 6: Do Verses 26b-27 Prophesy Future Events? Daniel 9:26b “…and people of a leader/commander, the one coming in, he shall cause to destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end shall be with a flood of attackers, and unto an end of battle/warfare, desolations being decreed. 27 And he shall cause to prevail/confirm (or, shall make strong) a covenant for the multitude one week; and in the midst/middle of the week, he shall cause to cease blood sacrifice and offering. And upon/over a wing/corner shall be abominations/idols of a destroyer, even until a (the) consummation/complete end so having been decreed shall be poured out upon a desolator.” These verses speak about a number of very specific events, and three specific people. An itemization: 1) A commander of a military force shall cause his army to destroy both Jerusalem and its Sanctuary. 2) That commander shall come/go in – in context, into the Land of Israel. 3) The Sanctuary shall be overwhelmed by a flood of attackers. 4) The commander shall cause his people to make or confirm some kind of covenant with a multitude of the people of Israel for seven years. 5) Either approximately or exactly (the Hebrew text allows for either) in the middle of the seven years, the commander shall be the cause of an end to blood sacrifice and other offerings. 6) “An intensive desolator” = “a destroyer” shall commit abominations, and/or bring idols over or upon a wing/corner of the Temple. Nothing indicates that this destroyer is the commander 7) That idolatry shall continue until a complete end, one having been decreed or determined at some point, shall be “poured out upon a desolator.” This water metaphor “poured out” hearkens back to verse 26ʼs words “its [the Sanctuaryʼs] end shall be with a flood.” Likewise, the ʻdecreed endʼ of verse 27 likely refers back to the ʻdecreed desolationsʼ of verse 26, at least in part. * * * Most American commentators say that all of these events shall be fulfilled by “the Antichrist” sometime in the future. However, the secondary scriptures that they provide to actually support their assertions are few, and questionable at best. Instead, their arguments rely on a great deal of unsupported presumptions. Starting from the top of the list: 1) They can provide no scripture that prophesies the rebuilding of the Temple prior to the Second Coming of the Messiah. Also, they can provide no scripture that says Jerusalem will be destroyed in the End Times. (Damaged, yes; destroyed, no.) Daniel 9:24-27 makes no mention at all of “end times,” “latter days,” or any similar term that unequivocally points to the seven events being fulfilled in OUR Latter Days. 2) Daniel 11:40-45 does say that an End Time commander/leader, “the King of the North,” shall enter and occupy the Holy Land. But nothing in that passage speaks anything about a Temple – a notable omission, if one were to actually exist. 3) Likewise, nothing in that passage says anything about the Sanctuary being overwhelmed and destroyed. And the proponents of “the Antichrist” theory can provide no other scripture that says that either. 4) Neither can they provide any secondary scripture that prophesies a 7-year covenant in the End Times, or even mentions any such 7-year event. 5) Plenty of presumptions are offered that string together two 1260-day prophecies (of which there are a number), which theories purport to prove there is a 7-year period broken exactly in its middle when “the Antichrist” reneges on his covenant. But, like the witnesses that testified against Jesus at his trial, “their testimonies [do] not agree” with each other. Mark 14:56 Also, they can provide no secondary scripture that speaks about blood-sacrifice [זֶבַח] being resumed before the return of the Messiah. Daniel 12:11 does not use this term; 9:27 has its only use in Daniel. 6) They can provide no secondary prophecy about idol worship taking place somewhere on the edges/extremities of a Latter-Day Temple or Sanctuary. (Within such a sanctified place, yes: Matthew 24:15 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4. Outside of such place, no.) 7) There are scriptures that say the King of the North will “come to his end” in the End Times, as will 2 Thessalonians 2ʼs Son of Perdition, and also the Little Horn of Daniel 7. However, the context of Daniel 9:26b-27 indicates that “the one coming in” is a commander who causes an army of his people to overwhelm and pour out destruction on someone else who has already brought desolation. But nothing in the passage says anything at all about the commander himself being overcome. That, however, is what most proponents of “the Antichrist” theory claim to be the case. Summary Those that say Daniel 9:26b-27 prophesies future events concerning “the Antichrist” have no unequivocal evidence from other biblical texts which witness to an End Time fulfillment of 26b-27ʼs seven specific prophecies. What little they offer, mainly having to do with #7 above, is ambiguous and contradictory. So in sum, it is evident that this theory is based upon a great deal of speculation and presumption (sand), but lacks any solid scriptural foundation (rock). The next article will examine the view that Daniel 9:26b-27 was fulfilled historically.

I went up to visit my parents today and dad was telling me about this pack rat that lives in his bbq grill. Apparently its been there for years. He pulled the fabric cover off (which had been chewed through) and lifted the lid. The pack rat just looked at my dad. Then it saw me and bolted. He showed me the bowl of food he leaves for it. He hasnt named it but he cant bring himself to kill it. So she remains. Its a she. He has seen her nursing babies. Maybe he should name her buddy.

“Stay away from the love of money; be satisfied with what you have. For God has said, ‘I will never, never fail you nor forsake you.’ That is why we can say without any doubt or fear, ‘The Lord is my Helper, and I am not afraid of anything that mere man can do to me. ‘" Hebrews 13:5-6 There is nothing wrong with men possessing riches. The wrong comes when riches possess men. Billy Graham

I hear you Brother many will disagree with you and me, this world is getting sicker by the day. Everything is turned upside down, good is bad and bad is good. You have to search real hard to find the truth in any of the news we hear now days. When you try to warn them of the approaching storms most but not all think your off base or crazy. Well anyway I try to tell them, to get themselves prepared for the worst, be physical and spiritually strong in the Lord, and put their Faith and Trust Him. God Bless

In My time of Being a watchmen I have seen many attacks on the Word of God come from many sources. Whether these attacks are against James for being too works oriented, or the Hyper-dispensationalists that make the Words of Jesus of none effect, or the Hebrew roots people that want to down play Paul the apostle, Or the Likes of some who want to remove the Old Testament all together from scripture. There are also the literary criticisms of Graf and Wellhausen and their whole approach to the Word of God. The attempts to distort the divinity of Christ Out of the Word of God by the Hort and Wescott. The Attempts by evolutionists to distort the Genesis account of a 6 day creation. Seems like every 6 months or so there is new attack on the Word of God to deal with. The Next wave will be the attack on the book of Revelation. Someone here Just claimed that Revelation is Apocryphal... Apocryphal means literally of "doubtful origin".... This attack has been going on since the Second century, But I think as we get closer to end times, this attack will become even more blatant and deliberate. Why is that? Because many fear the Truths revealed in the Book of revelation, and because most intellectuals approaching this book with all their wisdom cannot understand this book they will discredit it. That is because there is only one way to understand this Book, and that is to be taught by the Holy Ghost, the Author of this Prophecy. And those who are trusting in their own mental capacity can never Learn The Truths Written therein, to their own detriment. These attacks on the Book of Revelation have come from all sources, From the Eastern Orthodox churches who do not have it in their canon, and Luther who did not care for it, to secularists who think John was hallucinating, etc. But this last wave will be far worse. History has shown however, that it was the Most widely received book by the early church fathers.... Revelation’s early reception was Outstanding. Perhaps as much as any other NT book, we have evidence for an early, widespread, and consistent reception of Revelation. Our evidence goes back as early as Papias (c.125) and also includes Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, the Muratorian Fragment, Hippolytus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, and Origen. That is an impressive list. In addition, it is worth noting that almost every one of these church fathers accepted the book of Revelation on the same grounds, namely the belief that the apostle John, the son of Zebedee was the author. B.W. Bacon was so impressed with Revelation’s initial reception that he was able to say, “There is no book in the entire New Testament whose external attestation can compare with that of Revelation, in nearness, clearness, definiteness, and positiveness of statement” (The Making of the New Testament, 190). https://www.michaeljkruger.com/the-book-of-revelation-how-difficult-was-its-journey-into-the-canon/

I don't doubt this. The spirit of antichrist (I mean in a general sense) seems more and more intense as the years roll on.

I expect that before all is said and done, the whole New Testament will be viewed as being "of doubtful origin."

Would you please repeat that, but slower this time?

Only Those who do not have the Holy Ghost can make such a claim. Those of us who have the Holy Ghost, Know the Book of revelation is The Word of God. He has confirmed the validity of this Book many times.

Because some can understand what he is saying and would do well to pay attention.

DAY 114 - PSALM 89:19-37 [Book 3] Of old you spoke in a vision to your godly one, and said: “I have granted help to one who is mighty; I have exalted one chosen from the people. 20 I have found David, my servant; with my holy oil I have anointed him, 21 so that my hand shall be established with him; my arm also shall strengthen him. 22 The enemy shall not outwit him; the wicked shall not humble him. 23 I will crush his foes before him and strike down those who hate him. 24 My faithfulness and my steadfast love shall be with him, and in my name shall his horn be exalted. 25 I will set his hand on the sea and his right hand on the rivers. 26 He shall cry to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation.’ 27 And I will make him the firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth. 28 My steadfast love I will keep for him forever, and my covenant will stand firm for him. 29 I will establish his offspring forever and his throne as the days of the heavens. 30 If his children forsake my law and do not walk according to my rules, 31 if they violate my statutes and do not keep my commandments, 32 then I will punish their transgression with the rod and their iniquity with stripes, 33 but I will not remove from him my steadfast love or be false to my faithfulness. 34 I will not violate my covenant or alter the word that went forth from my lips. 35 Once for all I have sworn by my holiness; I will not lie to David. 36 His offspring shall endure forever, his throne as long as the sun before me. 37 Like the moon it shall be established forever, a faithful witness in the skies.” Selah

Ineedhugs, Welcome to Forum, Here is a great big Hug for you... What led Me To Christianity? Ultimately It was the Love of God for such a Worm as I. https://library.timelesstruths.org/music/Alas_and_Did_My_Savior_Bleed/

A frend gave me a gift of a Bible... And i read it, all.. The rest is as they say History.

I went to NZ for years with my job. We often looked across and wondered when it would blow. Much of the country there is volcanic with many back-yard geysers and plenty of hot water. You get used to the sulphuric odor after a while.

Not even an inactive one. Anything bowl shaped traps heavier than air pollutants. I see no reason to go down into them to see if they are toxic to me.

I once worked with a lady who was from Africa. She said that people in the United States did not appreciate what they have. She said they had "NOTHING".

No, because I have more common sense than that.

I did Because I did things like that in my 20s

Just for starters... Romans 10:17 (KJV) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

I like these verses, thanks @dhchristian. From this I can see and hear (read) that Jesus asks us to be honest with what we see and hear. Our ears hear, and our eyes see, honestly. The ears receive sound waves, and that is all they do. Our eyes receive the visible spectrum, and that is all they do. Our mind and heart are the ones that can perceive dishonestly. Censoring what the ears hear and what the eyes see, to suit personal issues/agendas. So, when the truth is spoken, and our heart and mind is open (unconditional), we hear what the ear hears, the truth; and not what a closed heart and mind (conditional) wants to hear. Makes me wonder, how often do I consciously see and hear unconditionally.

That is true, in order to get a copyright they can't be worded the exact same as an other. However that doesn't mean that all translators are out to change the word of God. Often they don't even have to try. Many Greek words translate into multiple English words and different translators often disagree with how certain words should translate, so that creates some minor differences, also different translators use different texts to translate from. I've already touched on the fact that this is one of the differences between the KJV and the NASB is they use different texts. And also the language changes. The English language changes almost daily lol. So what a word meant in 1611 it may no longer mean. Another thing they can do is you can often say the same thing many different ways. Aaaah, the complexity of the English language. So do some translators mix their own opinions/politics in? Certainly. There are some horrible translations out there, which I'm not going to *cough cough* like the message *cough cough* name, but that doesn't mean they're all like that. It's important to research and study, to figure out what's good and what's bad, to discern the facts from the myths and rumors.

"Ignorance is Bliss" as the Old saying states. "He who has ears let him hear" is a polite way of saying those who refuse to hear are ignorant. Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. (Acts 28:26-27)

Sorry, But your theory does not account for verse 24. Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Has Israel finished the transgression yet? What transgression? The Piercing of Messiah (Zech. 12:10). Have they made an end to sins? No, they still do not recognize Jesus as their Messiah. Have they made reconciliation for Iniquity? They have not received Jesus as the Messiah, so no not yet. Have they Brought everlasting righteousness? They will when Christ rules in the millennium. Have they sealed up prophecy and vision? No Many prophecies remain yet to be fulfilled such as Ezekiel 37-39. Have they anointed a most Holy (Place)? No, because there is no temple in Jerusalem. All of these things are yet future, and despite the similarities in events happening in 70 Ad to the ones described in verses 26-27, They are yet future events. As Abominable as the events of 70 Ad were, they were not part of the restoration of Israel, and the beginning of the Millennial Kingdom. Beware, because Satan has this knack for trying to Mimic God, because he wants to be Like God. Just like the Dragon, the beast and the False Prophet make up the unholy trinity. God Bless.

Many hear the Gospel Of Grace and it makes no sense whatsoever “The Gospel is foolishness to those that perish”...... these people are “ bad Soil” and lack “ ears to hear” Others hear the Gospel Of Grace and Believe it and rest in it and thereby prove they had “ ears to hear”. They were the “ Good Soil” that God is looking for....... Its like God is broadcasting His Message to Lost Sinners in FM and those whose hearts are hardened and who continue to be blinded by Satan only have AM receivers.......

Adultery is one of the worst forms of betrayal, and to do it again without regard is unacceptable. You said, "...my mom just forgive my dad because she doesn't what our family to be broken." Sadly, it is already broken, and most likely has been broken for a long time. You and your Mom may find both comfort and wisdom in seeing a counsellor who can help you deal with the dynamics underlying the reasons for their broken relationship so that both of you can get the closure you need. Best to both of you.

No, I would not. I think sometimes people think beauty is worth the risk.So sad what happened. I visited Going To The Sun Road in Montana, which was such a spiritual experience for me, but it was kind of dangerous. Unfortunately, a young girl died there this past summer when there was a sudden rockslide. So any tourist attraction can become dangerous.

Hi Raven, I think for the simple fact that people don't listen to His words of wisdom. For instance, how many times are we told not to worry, yet I think most people even strong Christians can worry or get anxious. He tells us if we have ears to hear, we need to pay special attention to what He is telling us. That it's important.

Daniel 9:24-27 Examined, Part 7: Were Verses 26b-27 Fulfilled Historically? Here is some of the historical viewʼs evidence, showing that Daniel 9:26b-27ʼs seven specific prophecies have already been fulfilled: 1-2) Vespasian, a widely-revered Roman military commander, arrived in the Holy Land in early 67 A.D. Emperor Nero had sent him to quell a revolt begun in 66 by many of the Jews against their corrupt Roman overlords. Vespasian established (caused) these two Roman policies for the duration of the Jewish War of 66/67-73: I) Any Jew who peacefully re-submitted to Romeʼs authority was to be spared, and be allowed to live in peace. See #4 below. II) Any Jew who continued to resist that authority was to be ruthlessly subdued. In the Spring, Vespasian, accompanied by his son Titus, three legions, and auxiliary troops altogether amounting to more than 60,000 men, began to war against the rebels in Galilee. 1, 3) Vespasianʼs policy #II ultimately caused the Roman army to destroy both Jerusalem and its Sanctuary, because the Jewish rebels continued to use both places as fortresses of defense. 4) Vespasian, by means of his policy #I, made covenants of peace with a number of important non-resisting cities. Essentially, he was merely “confirming” Romeʼs original covenant with the Jews, which allowed them – uniquely among the peoples of the Empire – to practice only their own mono-theistic religion, provided that they submitted to Roman civil authority. According to the record by Josephus, The Jewish War, Whiston version; Preface 8: [Vespasian] took…some of its [Galilee’s] cities by treaties, and on terms. III:2:4 …the inhabitants of Sepphoris…the largest city of Galilee…received Vespasian, the Roman general, very kindly, and readily promised that they would assist him… III:9:8 Now the seniors of the people [of Tiberius]…fell down before Vespasian, to supplicate his favor… Vespasian…accepted of their rights hands by way of security…[and] the citizens opened to him their gates… 5) Right about 3½ years/1260 days after Vespasianʼs “coming in” to the land, blood sacrifice [זֶבַח] ceased in the Temple on Tammuz 17 = July 15, 70 A.D. This was a consequence of the Roman armyʼs siege and warfare against Jerusalem, which had caused severe famine and great loss of life. VI:2:1 …on that very day, which was the seventeenth day of Panemus, [Tamuz,] the sacrifice called “the Daily Sacrifice” had failed, and had not been offered to God, for want of men to offer it, and that the people were grievously troubled at it… 6) Six months earlier, Vespasian had turned over his military command to his son Titus, who continued the war under Vespasianʼs original policies. Vespasian then went to Rome, having been proclaimed the new Emperor by the Senate. Under Titus, in early July the Romans captured the fortress-tower of Antonia on the northwest כְּנַף/corner of the Temple Mount. War V:5:8; VI:1:7 It provided access to the Temple complex via a narrow passage, which led “as far as the corner of the inner court of the Temple.” VI:1:8 This tower was elevated עַל/above/over the Temple, which allowed the Romans to look down upon the Temple and its courts. VI:1:5; 2:5 The “abominations of a destroyer” that ensued consisted of the most savage combat between Romans and Jews, including instances of Jewish fratricide; piles of corpses within the Temple complex; and the Jews and then the Romans setting fire to the Temple’s own cloisters across from the Roman-occupied Antonia. Also, the Romans began bringing their idolatrous ensigns (Aquilae), to which sacrifices were offered, into the Antonia Tower, and then into the Temple precincts. VI:1:7; 6:1 They were called Aquilae because of the eagle perched on top of them, a symbol of Jupiter. VI:Endnote 24 …Tertullian truly says in his Apologetic…that the entire religion of the Roman camp almost consisted in worshipping the ensigns, in swearing by the ensigns, and in preferring the ensigns before all the [other] gods. The destruction by fire of the Temple occurred during its capture on Ab 9/10 = August 4/5; followed by the destruction of upper Jerusalem (Zion) in early September. Thus Titus fulfilled the prophecy of “abominations/idolatry of a destroyer.” 7) A Jew named John of Gischala was the leader of a group of Zealots who had originally taken control over and ruthlessly dominated Jerusalem. II:21:1 [He was] a treacherous person…and for wicked practices he had not his fellow any where. …[H]e laid waste all Galilee… IV:3:13 Now it was John who…was the occasion of all these [the party of the moderate High Priest Ananus in Jerusalem] being destroyed. He was a man of great craft, and bore about him in his soul a strong passion after tyranny… By 70 A.D., Johnʼs Zealots had lost control over the city to another rebel leader, Simon, but still held the rebels’ highest and most fortified ground, that of the Temple complex. When the Romans ultimately came in “with a flood” of attackers to overwhelm the highly fortified inner courts and Sanctuary, “the consummation/end having been decreed” was “poured out upon [this] desolator.” Summary Simply stated, every one of the seven specific events prophesied by Daniel 9:26b-27 are found to be well-fulfilled by the events of the 7-year Jewish War of 66/67-73 A.D. The last stronghold of the Jewish rebellion, Masada, fell in 73. Roman military rule over Judea ended not long afterward, and civilian rule was re-instituted. Daniel 9:26b-27 prophesied three different men to come: a leader/commander of an army, a destroyer, and a desolator. Vespasian fulfilled the first prophecy, Titus the second, and John the Zealot the third. * * * Nothing in the passage of Daniel 9:24-27 can be demonstrated to have any unequivocal prophetic message for OUR time, despite the great deal of hype to the contrary. It doesn’t mention at all – any “abomination of desolation of the Holy Place [Sanctuary]” (Matt. 24:15; cf. Deut. 7:25-26 and Dan. 11:31); – the time of the end/latter time/latter days, or any similar term; – the Great Tribulation/“time of trouble such as never was” (Dan. 12:1); – the saints, or any flight of God’s people; – Messiah’s coming in the clouds, Divine Judgment, and/or the establishment of God’s kingdom; – the King of the North’s or the Little Horn’s demise; – or the raising of the dead. These topics are discussed elsewhere in Daniel’s End Time prophecies. Why are none of them found here? Because this is not a prophecy about the end of the Church Age, but rather about the end of the Jewish Age. Remember, Gabriel said that this prophecy of 70 weeks was to be “upon thy [Danielʼs] people,” that is, “my [Danielʼs] people Israel,” and no one else. Dan. 9:24, 20 Every prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 has already been fulfilled. History sometimes repeats itself in type, but never in such detail that it duplicates such a specific series of events. Final Notes One issue that has rightly troubled many commentators is the gap in time, presumed by both the future and historical views, between the end of the 69 weeks of years and the beginning of the 70th. Some few people believe there was no gap, and the last seven (or three and one-half) years immediately followed the death of Jesus. However, they can provide no plausible argument for the fulfillment of the seven events prophesied by verses 26b-27. Nothing of the kind occurred in the 30s A.D. Likewise, the future view has no convincing biblical argument for a nearly 2000-year gap. The historical view does provide a legitimate reason for a gap, however, which is this: 40 years (or days) was Godʼs standard period for the testing of His people Israelʼs obedience. In particular, God tested Israelʼs faithfulness for 40 years after they entered into the Mosaic Covenant at Mount Sinai. All the Israelites of adult age who failed that test died. God likewise allotted 40 years to test whether the Jewish people, and especially their religious leaders, would accept or reject Christ’s New Covenant. After those 40 years were fulfilled, the rebels against the New Covenant had their holy city and Temple destroyed, which effectively ended many mandated practices of the Old Covenant. That covenant required both a Temple and a place to gather for the yearly festivals of the Law. Both places were destroyed, and the Temple was never rebuilt. Jesus prophesied just such a “desolation” for the city, people, and Temple of his day, saying that these were “the things having been written.” Luke 21:22; “the things” referring to the events of verses 6 and 20-21. Only one Old Testament “written” prophecy fulfills this statement, and that is the passage of Daniel 9:24-27. (Micah 3:12 was not fulfilled until the aftermath of the Bar Kokhba War, which ended in 135 A.D.) In particular, Jesus singled out the corrupted and rebellious religious leaders of his day – ha-poshim/the apostates (Dan. 8:23) – whose pesha would soon be “utterly restrained” (9:24): Matthew 23:29 “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! … 31 …you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. … 35 …upon you shall come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth… 36 Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation. 37 O Jerusalem… 38 Behold, your house [that is, the Temple] is left to you desolate.” In saying these words, Jesus was in effect both witnessing to and re-decreeing the “decreed desolations” of Daniel 9:26b and 27, and prophesying that those desolations would be fulfilled during the generation of the first century A.D. Which they were.

We actually have dozens, and translators pull from multiple ones. We have 2 that are mostly complete, but not entirely. So translators use those 2 as the base and pull from others to verify accuracy and fill in the gaps. The only issue is none of them are the original texts. But, I don't think that's an issue at all seeing as this Book has Divine protection.

Btw you keep talking about the jw bible. That you consider it a bad translation is fine but that you consider it and the jws as Christian undermines your credibility.

I could name some poor word choices that are not accurate but to do so would be attempting to tear it down. I will not do that. It isnt a bad bible but it has flaws. I want to read the bible in a language i understand. Not have to learn another one just to read it.

But that is not what your thread title communicates. King James Onlyism supported

Hello missmuffet, God is the potter and we as his children are the clay. He molds us and shapes us into the vessels he desires.( Romans 9:21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?) He continues working on each of us, smoothing out our ruff edges and forever shaping us into the likeness of Christ. (Romans 8:28n And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.) God bless ?

There is secular and worldly content on Worthy because it is a message board on the internet. But there is some very good Christian content as well. Just like you are going to see and hear good and bad at a Church.

Not that I have been here for very long, but that is why that I am going to leave the forums, people just seem to what to fight and argue. So many of the postings turn into arguments and it seems like some people only want to say things that are contrary to what has been said by the other posters. I thought that these forums would be uplifting (and some posts are), but more times than not, I come away from this site discouraged and not uplifted at all.

Thursday 12-12-19, Kislev 15, 5780 5th. day of the weekly cycle, 81st. Fall day, But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John Fourteen:26 John Fourteen:22-31 King James Version (KJV) Christ Answers Judas: 22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. 25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. 29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. 30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. 31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence. Bible verses about The Comforter Love always, Walter and Debbie

Hi OC, Interesting discussion here. If I may, I would like to present an article from .............. alankurschner.com Second Thessalonians chapter two has been the nemesis for pretribulationism. Or what I refer to as the 800-pound gorilla in the Bible of the pretribulationist. This biblical passage has convinced more ex-pretribulationists that their pretrib theology is wrong than any other Bible passage. The reason for this is straightforward: The fundamental premise of pretribulationism is that there cannot be any prophesied events that will take place before the rapture, and consequently they believe in the novel idea of what has come to be called the “any moment” rapture (a.k.a. imminence). Paul, however, gives an unambiguous statement in v. 3 that has lead many to reject imminence and thereby understand that there will be in fact at least a couple of key monumental events that will happen before the rapture. Several pretrib teachers have attempted to get around the plain meaning of this Biblical text, but there has been one in particular that is indeed the most strained. A few years back at a Bible prophecy Conference I gave a series of lectures on Thessalonians. One of them was focused particularly on the pretrib argument that the Greek word behind “rebellion” (apostasia, ἀποστασία) can carry the meaning of a “physical and spatial departure,” thereby suggesting that Paul has the rapture in mind when he uses this word in this verse. Some pretribulationists, such as Thomas Ice, argue that the word “rebellion” (apostasia, ἀποστασία) means “physical departure”and not a “religious departure,” thus denoting the rapture. This view was first introduced in 1895 by J. S. Mabie and popularized by E. Schuyler English in 1949 In their first appeal they try to support this argument by noting earlier versions Pretrib proponents have pointed out that early English Bibles such as Tyndale, Coverdale, and Geneva have rendered rebellion in v. 3 as “departing.” The implication of the English word “depart” is suppose to suggest a “physical departing” and thus the concept of the rapture was in the mind of these English translators. But this is not correct for a couple of reasons: Appealing to sixteenth-century English versions to understand the meaning of a Greek word is naïve at best and only pushes the question back a step further: What did the sixteenth-century English word “departing” mean? Since the English word can be spatial or non-spatial in meaning. These same early English versions use “departing” at Hebrews 3:12. For example the KJV reads, “Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.” Here “departing” is clearly non-spatial. Further, there is no evidence that these translators on this verse understood apostasia as a “spatial departure.” A second appeal is to lexical evidence. But which side is the lexical evidence on? Here is where the rubber meets the road. Is there any lexical evidence that would prove that apostasia can carry the meaning of “physical departing,” let alone in 2 Thessalonians 2:3? Word studies always begin with proximity and works its way outward: Author -> NT -> Septuagint -> Koine (Pseudepigrapha Josephus, Philo) -> Classical Greek -> Patristic New Testament: The term is used only one other time in the New Testament, which means a religious departure: Septuagint: Four Times: Joshua 22:22; 2 Chronicles 29:19; 1 Maccabees 2:15; Jeremiah 2:19. Every time it means apostasy or rebellion in a religious or political sense—never used as a spatial or physical sense. Koine Greek Literature: In Moulton and Milligan’s, The Vocabulary of the Greek Testament Illustrated from the Papyri and Other Non-Literary Sources, it is demonstrated that this term is only used in the political or religious defection sense—again, never used in a spatial departure sense (pp. 68–9). Further, even pretribulationist scholar Paul Feinberg admits, “If one searches for the uses of the noun “apostasy” in the 355 occurrences over the 300-year period between the second century B.C. and the first century A.D., one will not find a single instance where this word refers to a physical departure.” He is correct. Classical Greek: The classical Greek Liddell and Scott lexicon lists the primary meaning of apostasia as “defection, revolt”; and “departure, disappearance” as a secondary meaning. The only example of this secondary meaning of spatial departure is found five centuries later after the New Testament. It is sloppy and simply fallacious to read back, not only an obscure meaning but one that is five centuries after the New Testament! Patristic Greek: The standard Greek lexicon for Patristic Greek Lampe has the primary meaning of apostasia as “revolt, defection” and gives only one example of a spatial departure. This one instance is found in a NT apocryphal work on the tradition of the Assumption of Mary. Again, outside of the Koine period dated to the later 5th century A.D. So what do we make of all this lexical evidence? Here are the documented lexical facts: There were five Greek sources examined. The most weighty and important sources are in the Koine period, the New Testament and the Septuagint–not a single instance does apostasia carry the meaning of “physical departure.” Instead, every instance has the meaning of religious or political departure. The last two sources—Classical and Patristic Greek—are the least weighty and important because they are the furthest removed from the New Testament. There were only two instances from these sources that have a physical departure meaning—and both of these examples are dated late well into the 5th-6th century. This is why one will not find the “physical” (i.e. spatial) meaning in standard New Testament lexicons. BDAG defines this word as “defiance of established system or authority, rebellion, abandonment, breach of faith” BDAG‘s predecessor Thayer Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (Kittel) The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (Brown) Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament (Balz) A third appeal to the cognate verb So how does the pretribber respond to these lexical facts? This is where the desperate leap takes place. We have done a responsible thorough examination of the noun apostasia demonstrating that the term does not carry a “physical-spatial” meaning in the Koine period. The pretribber will make the leap by pointing to the cognate verb form of apostasia, which is aphistemi, which means “to withdraw, remove, depart, leave.” It is used 14 times in the NT and is used both in a spatial and non-spatial sense. This is where the leap happens by assuming that the verb meaning carries over to the noun meaning. E. S. English succinctly states the pretrib reasoning: “since a noun takes its meaning from the verb, the noun, too, may have such a broad connotation.” Davey goes further saying, “Since the root verb has this meaning of ‘departure’ from a person or place in a geographical sense, would not its derivatives have the same foundational word meaning.” Enter the cognate and root fallacy. Cognates and roots is not the way any responsible exegete determines word meanings (Imagine reading the newspaper this way. Or love letters!) Instead, word meanings are determined by semantic range and its usage in context. Even Feinberg rejects this naïve method when he comments on this specific word: “the meaning of derivative nouns must be established through their usage.” (emphasis his) Perfect case in point: aphistemi Apostasion is a cognate noun to this verb, which only means “divorce or some other legal act of separation.” Apostater another cognate noun which means “one who has power to dissolve an assembly” or “to decide a question.” Since these derivative nouns do not contain the meaning of a spatial or physical departure (as the pretribber will not argue), there is absolutely no basis to assume that our target noun apostasia does as well. In other words, the pretrib cannot have their lexical cake and eat it too. It is first rank special pleading. The fourth appeal: context Since the semantic range does not include “physical or spatial departure” it is moot to even evaluate context—unless someone wants to argue that this is the only instance within 500 years that the term means a “physical departure”! Nevertheless, let’s argue context. To interpret the word “rebellion” in v. 3 as the “rapture” does not comport with the context, and as we will see it makes Paul unintelligible, even humorous. First, Paul is making a contrast of what precedes and what follows. The “gathering” (rapture) and parousia/day of the Lord is what follows (“For that day will not come unless”) the rebellion and revelation of the man of lawlessness. The pretrib view would have Paul in essence saying, “The rapture cannot happen until the rapture happens” But Paul is clearly marking certain events as signs or conditions that must take place before Christ’s return. Second, Paul does not simply mention “rebellion” (apostasy) and leave it at that. But the verse begins with Paul’s exhortation, “Let no one deceive you in any way.” This is followed by “For,” which in this case is called an “explanatory hoti (ὅτι).” That is to say, Paul is connecting the exhortation not to be deceived with the fact of rebellion and the man of lawlessness being revealed. In addition, some pretrib teachers have attempted to argue that since there is an article “the” before “rebellion” it indicates that the Thessalonians were familiar with some previous teaching by Paul. This is baseless, since they have to assume that it refers to the rapture. It is classic begging the question. But what does the context show us? Since this word in the Koine period always meant a “religious or political departure” should we then not be surprised that Paul makes references in this very context to “the truth” and “the Christian faith”? Indeed, he does: v. 2 “not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed” v. 3 “Let no one deceive you in any way” v. 10 “they refused to love the truth” v. 11 “Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false” v. 13 “through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth” v. 15 “stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.” In addition, the rebellion and the revealing of the man of lawlessness are not two disconnected or unrelated events, but should be seen as a two-fold unifying event: “first” refers to both of the events that must happen before the day of the Lord. And what is the connection between Antichrist and the apostasy/rebellion? “The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false.” 2 Thessalonians 2:9–11. I recognize that there are other viewpoints of who actually apostatizes: My own position is #2 because I believe the immediate context in chapter 2 of the Antichrist’s activity informs us of the identity of the rebellion. Nevertheless, this is not particularly essential to my point in this article. Here is the big picture: The pretribulational “Physical Departure” argument fails on all four levels: It fails on appealing to early English versions It fails on appealing to five bodies of Greek literature It fails on appealing to its verbal cognate form It fails on appealing to context. Even the most noted pretibulational scholar John F. Walvoord did not take this “physical departure” interpretation: In the first edition of his popular book The Rapture Question (1957) he defended the “Physical Departure” argument. But after considering some of these arguments put forth by Robert H. Gundry, Walvoord rejected this common pretrib argument which he notes in his second edition of The Rapture Question (1979). Also, noted pretrib scholar Paul Feinberg writes, “there is no reason to understand Paul’s use of apostasia as a reference to the rapture” (When the Trumpet Sounds, 311).

Your mom should have not gone back with your dad the first time he cheated on her. The chances that he will never cheat again is very rare. Some men do not know how to have one woman in their life. Those are the men you want to stay away from. You need to pray for your mother and your father. She is making unhealthy choices but she may not listen to you.

Some are and some Are not. Which ones are you talking about?

Be very careful of some who call themselves watchmen, check out their fruit, Satan is a big deceiver who likes to confuse God’s people. You must Always do your own research and pray for Holy Spirit guidance. God Bless

A Watchman is one who stands on the wall and reports the news and warnings of coming events that could are will effect God’s chosen people. We must be prepared for anything at all times good or bad as we live and do The Lords will for each individual. A Watchman is never to be called a Prophet because he is not, he’s just one who reports things that could or will effect all true Believers. If you read my Testimony here at WCF you will see that has been my Calling since 1987, not a easy task to cover because most of the time no one wants to hear we are now living in THE LAST DAYS before the return of Yahusha/Jesus Christ. God Bless He is returning very soon. Amen We are the Last Generation.