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  1. Knowing that you mean "why wait to marry", I'm gonna submit something that may be hard for people to do, which they may indeed not do, but is still good medicine. They would be wise to wait for this reason (I say wise because I'm not going so far as to say right or wrong but wise, to which there is a difference): in our society the young are growing up too fast but maturing slower than ever. They don't know what is real when it comes to the term "passionately in love" and they don't have a clue of what a true relationship really is. They are taking their cues from the likes of Snooki off of "Jersey Shore" and from their own homes that are filled with dysfunction, etc.... From the time of the generations around me (I'm 37) and on it gets progressively worse. AS A BELIEVER, if I had gotten married every time I "JUST KNEW" I was passionately in love I could have as many wives as Solomon. That was in the 90's. It is 10 fold worse now. I'm not saying that there are not young adults who can absolutely know they are in love and "meant to be" with that significant other. But that is generally the exception to the rule rather than the norm. Plus, saying such a thing as "we just knew we were suppose to be together" was made of more stern stuff when our grandfathers and great-grandfathers said it than when today's microwaveable generations say it. They're changing their minds at the same pace as changing underwear. So on the whole, I would put forth that if indeed they are passionately in love and know such a thing is "meant to be", they would be wise to see a thing grow and blossom. Time will show them and teach them much that will help ratify their "feelings" and indeed make them even stronger as a "meant to be" couple! *sigh.....* We just can't wait for anything these days. It truly is sad that we cannot delay gratifications which would lead to better, more enriching outcomes. We can't save up a little money to pay for that item so we borrow ourselves into debt and bankruptcy because we had to have it NOW! The same is true for relationships, which in our society are just as similarly bankrupt. Such people as you suggest in your post would show maturity, wisdom, and would be well-advised to wait. There is only the rare exception to the rule. With such a covenant that God says shouldn't be undone, there is close to nothing to be gained by rashness and much to profit from delay. If humanity had the fortitude for such, I've no doubt the divorce rate would plummet (at least among believers). However, in these last days, I've little hope for such. Elansing, what you did was right, scriptural and the godly thing to do. Yes, the painfulness and difficulty of doing so breeds some doubt about the decision. But some will say no. Some will only follow because they are fed and will show their heart as they walk away when things stop meeting their physical, fleshly needs. And a broken-hearted Jesus, watching the good but un-surrendered rich, young ruler for example, will allow them to do so. Agreed and thanks for sharing e
  2. Hello e lansing, I have read your above post and considered it with interest and measure plus have read about half of the responses. There is a Biblical remedy spelled out clearly in several areas of the New Testament and, based solely by what you have posted in the first post, I do not see it fully followed. Understand that I am not judging you or your actions but, looking at the reproof via the light of Scripture. Paul clearly rebuked the Corinthians for not judging sin in their local body (1 Cor. 5 and 6). But the expose' on "how" begins in Galatians: Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. So we see the methodology prescribed with warning that we be aware of our own limitations and approach the person humbly in the Holy Spirit and meekness (without our own pride and agenda involved). Often, we as Pastors and leaders can be more offended by actions of congregants fearing an "undermining" is under way to divide the congregation but, more so, to "dethrone" ourselves. Handling these matters in the wrong way will actually further satan's agenda to do just that. But Jesus said it best on how we are commanded to handle such: Matt 18:15-17 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. In every situation, each individual must be dealt with individually and ourselves void of any "self" agendas or personal fears of outcome. Each one must be dealt with personally first between them and the offended one or the Pastorate of the Church. If they will not repent nor listen and continue, then take witnesses. You had said there is a group of Pastors over you and these would be the ones most likely to take with you. Once it is established before yourself and the witnesses that this person is not willing to repent (whether it is living in sin or, the sin of gossip and division), and they refuse to listen to the Spiritual heads over that congregation, then it must be given as a witness against them before the congregation. Keep in mind that all of these actions from the beginning to the last must be done in humility and lead of the Holy Spirit. A Pastorate and Church that practices this Biblical prescription will only grow and satan is defeated in his attempts to undermine the local body of Christ. Oh, some will leave on their own accord. And some of the congregation will not ostracize the guilty parties but, if the Full Gospel and teachings of Christ are preached continuously and the Holy Ghost is not restrained in that Church, I guarantee you the "Kitchen will become too hot" for the guilty to remain without repenting. If you have time maybe you could read the rest of the posting and you will see that I carried out my role as pastor of this church and did inquire of the pastors who are over me at our mother church. My church is plant. Thanks for sharing e
  3. [ Afraid not. The pointi is you state what you believe or do not believe, either way it is a belief. So you do have beliefs and one is there is no god. I do understand, you just believe what you believe about whatever based on your own reasons, I just call these your beliefs and you do not. Why is a belief or the lack of any different than belief or lack of human rights? I do not see any difference at all. You have your reasons to believe in whatever and so do i, therefore we both have beliefs. Our disagreement on what the other believes is still what one believes and is based on his reason for not believing or agreeing. ok...lets drop the the term. my point still stands. We both cannot be right at the same time so one of us is wrong, in terms of Jesus and who He is. Jesus did come back from the dead, this is a historical fact. Jesus did split time by giving us BC and AD. I think creation gives great reason to believe. God coming to the earth in the form of a man, named Jesus is not cridible enough for you? This certainly does not mean your opinion iabout this God-man is true because you think its not cridible enough. Jesus is the difference from all other beliefs. Our faith is based on a real person who walked the earth, who claimed to be God, no others can say the same. What makes any other god or belief the same as Christianity? Their founders are no different than the rest of us, but no one was like Jesus. I did not say everyone believes in god, I said we all have beliefs. My argument is not a fallacy, it is a fact of life that all persons have beliefs, some have them in god or gods and some do not, either way we all still have beliefs and using this forum is a great example of what I mean. the proof of what I mean is played out right in front of you and you are engaging in it with the rest of us, sharing your beliefs about whatever. e
  4. If so, you will have no problems describing my alleged belief system to me. It is a large error to mistake no knowledge on a certain subject as a belief system. Regards, UF Thats easy because I have a reliable source. To attempt to shoehorn non-belief as a belief is like trying to define not stamp collecting as a hobby. If you still do not understand, try this: Do you believe in the invisible pink unicorn? If you do not believe in the IPU, does this mean you have a belief system? Regards, UF However it is what one believes or not believes. who said, not to believe in something is to say one has no beliefs? Do you believe in giving? Some do and to prove such a belief they give and those who do not believe in giving, do not. We see this in politics all the time. Why do some vote one way and others vote another? Their beliefs, convictions, and most of the time opinions. If one choses not to vote, does this mean they have no beliefs? no, not voting was based upon some reason which equates to at lease an opinion, and opinions are what one believes for whatever reason. You may say, ya but its not a system, Im not talking about a system, the point is that, not to believe or to believe is a belief either way and those choices to believe or not, are based on their reasons. And for people to say they dont know if they believe that there is a god, have their reasons for stating that, which is what they believe even if its just their opinion. I believe Jesus is God in human form. I hold this belief based upon reason, historical reasons and personel experince and therefore I speak, or type, and do because of my beliefs. And so does everyone, just look at all the pages of beliefs on this forum. You may disagree and that is fine, however, you will have your reasons for your disagreement and may share them and these reasons can be defined as your beliefs. e
  5. That's not true. You said, "People that do not believe in God tend to be evil leaders." I am a person that does not believe in God. Therefore, by your overgeneralization, you are saying that I tend to be an evil leader. You may not have meant what you said, but what you said is directly quoted above. I was just calling you on your overgeneralization. Atheists do good things because they are good things to do. We do not do anything in the name of atheism. Consider the implication of this. Compare this to christians who do good things in the name of christianity. Who is the more moral person? A person who does good things because it they are good things to do, or a person who do good things only in the name of some religion? Regards, UF Ok...you still have not answered if you are a leader and if so, of what? Leaders, like the example I gave is what I was talking about. I have considered the implication and there is no compairison. Christians do good because we are christians and we know any good we do means very little because we know we are sinners through and through but have been redeemed by Christ so any good we do is christ in us and the bed we do is the sin in us. Who is more moral? Morality apart from God and HIs word is unthinkable, how can you decide who is moral without God putting the ability in us to know and understand right from wrong and then know when we have been wronged? To think we can be moral apart from God comes down to ones opinion. What you think is moral another may say is not. Christians go to countries where they are killed, put in prison, beat, churches are burned, to preach the Gospel of christ and in the process they feed, cloth, provide medical treatment, dig wells, provide basic education ect all in the name of christianity. e
  6. LOL, I was not the one who claimed that unbelievers tend to be evil leaders. You did. It's your nonsensical overgeneralization, not mine. You are free to imagine me as an evil leader of anything your heart desires. It just wouldn't be truth. Regards, UF I called leaders of an atheistic view tend to be evil based on history, I never said you directly now did I. I can admit that atheist can do good things and have done good things, but not in the name of atheism. e
  7. Actually, atheists do not need to believe that there is no god/s to be an atheist. Atheism is not about belief. It is a singular non-belief (in god/s). To attempt to shoe-horn atheism as a belief is like attempting to define not stamp collecting as a hobby. Atheists lack beliefs in god/s. It is a non-belief, and not a belief. It is a singular non-belief, therefore thinking of it as a "system" is nonsensical. Regards, UF what is one thing atheist have in common? they do not believe in god its a belief that they hold to. You can declare its not a belief but it is what you believe And some protest crosses in public place because why? It offends them because they do not have a belief in God and yet they claim that atheism in not a belief Talk about nonsensical... e
  8. People of faith and people of atheistic belief can do both terrible and wondrous works. A belief in God can be a powerful motivator to do great good and great evil, likewise any number of events, experiences, or mindsets can drive people to do the same. If you don't have God in your worldview, you might be inclined to do good for the sake of doing good, you might have a close friend or relative die a horrible death and make it your life's work to make sure the same thing doesn't happen to others (whether they were taken by a disease, drunk driving, gun violence, etc.), you might want to eliminate world hunger out of compassion for your fellow human beings, perhaps you might even want to improve your kids and grandchildren's lives by making the world a better place to live in. Or even you could be selfish out the wazoo and understand that by improving everyone's life you improve your life too. My point is that people get inspiration to do good and evil from a multitude of sources, and a belief in God is only one out of many. good point d9 This is why the bible teaches that all people are guilty of crimes/evil against God and only those that are pardon from their crimes will be granted eternal freedom. And this is really all that matters! Good point indeed D9. e
  9. Sorry, but it was you who called all non-believers as evil leaders. On 26 July 2011 - 02:37 PM, you said in post #693, this thread: "People that do not believe in God tend to be evil leaders." I am a person that does not believe in God. If you believe your statement above to be true, you must consider me tending to be an evil leader. Or am I misinterpreting your meaning here? So, what evil leadership did you have in mind? Regards, UF u still never said if you are a leader and if so of what . Key words, tend and leader, not just atheist. e
  10. This isn't a serious question, is it? If so, you should read more. This is a copy and paste from Wiki, but you can find your own list from Google, but the point is, a number of these folks impact your life every day. Peter Atkins (1940–): English chemist, Professor of chemistry at Lincoln College, Oxford in England.[1] Julius Axelrod (1912–2004): American Nobel Prize winning biochemist, noted for his work on the release and reuptake of catecholamine neurotransmitters and major contributions to the understanding of the pineal gland and how it is regulated during the sleep-wake cycle.[2] Sir Edward Battersby Bailey FRS (1881–1965): British geologist, director of the British Geological Survey.[3] Sir Patrick Bateson FRS (1938–): English biologist and science writer, Emeritus Professor of ethology at Cambridge University and president of the Zoological Society of London.[4] William Bateson (1861–1926): British geneticist, a Fellow of St. John's College, Cambridge, where he eventually became Master. He was the first person to use the term genetics to describe the study of heredity and biological inheritance, and the chief populariser of the ideas of Gregor Mendel following their rediscovery.[5] Patrick Blackett OM, CH, FRS (1897–1974): Nobel Prize winning English experimental physicist known for his work on cloud chambers, cosmic rays, and paleomagnetism.[6] Susan Blackmore (1951–): English psychologist and memeticist, best known for her book The Meme Machine.[7] Sir Hermann Bondi KCB, FRS (1919–2005): Anglo-Austrian mathematician and cosmologist, best known for co-developing the steady-state theory of the universe and important contributions to the theory of general relativity.[8][9] Paul D. Boyer (1918–): American biochemist and Nobel Laureate in Chemistry in 1997.[10] Calvin Bridges (1889–1938): American geneticist, known especially for his work on fruit fly genetics.[11] Sheldon Brown (1944–2008): Bicycle mechanic and technical authority on almost every aspect of bicycles.[12] Ruth Mack Brunswick (1897–1946): American psychologist, a close confidant of and collaborator with Sigmund Freud.[13] Sean M. Carroll (1966–): American cosmologist specializing in dark energy and general relativity.[14] Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar (1910–1995): Indian American astrophysicist known for his theoretical work on the structure and evolution of stars. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1983.[15] William Kingdon Clifford FRS (1845–1879): English mathematician and philosopher, co-introducer of geometric algebra, the first to suggest that gravitation might be a manifestation of an underlying geometry, and coiner of the expression "mind-stuff".[16] Frank Close OBE (1945–): British particle physicist, Professor of Physics at the University of Oxford and a Fellow of Exeter College, Oxford, known for his lectures and writings making science intelligible to a wider audience, for which he was awarded the Institute of Physics's Kelvin Medal and Prize.[17] Brian Cox OBE (1968–): English particle physicist, Royal Society University Research Fellow, Professor at the University of Manchester. Best known as a presenter of a number of science programmes for the BBC. He also had some fame in the 1990s as the keyboard player for the pop band D:Ream.[18][19] Jerry Coyne (1949–): American professor of biology, known for his books on evolution and commentary on the intelligent design debate.[20] Francis Crick (1916–2004): English molecular biologist, physicist, and neuroscientist; noted for being one of the co-discoverers of the structure of the DNA molecule in 1953. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1962.[21][22][23][24][25][26][27] Sir Howard Dalton FRS (1944–2008): British microbiologist, Chief Scientific Advisor to the UK's Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs from March 2002 to September 2007.[28] Richard Dawkins (1941–): British zoologist, biologist, creator of the concepts of the selfish gene and the meme; outspoken atheist and popularizer of science, author of The God Delusion and founder of the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science.[29] Arnaud Denjoy (1884–1974): French mathematician, noted for his contributions to harmonic analysis and differential equations.[30] Paul Dirac (1902–1984): British theoretical physicist, one of the founders of quantum mechanics, predicted the existence of antimatter, and won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1933.[31][32] Thomas Edison: American inventor[33] Albert Ellis (1913–2007): American psychologist who in 1955 developed Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy.[34]. Sandra Faber (1944–): American University Professor of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the University of California, Santa Cruz, also working at the Lick Observatory, who headed the team that discovered 'The Great Attractor.[35] Leon Festinger (1919–1989): American social psychologist famous for his Theory of Cognitive Dissonance.[36]. Richard Feynman (1918–1988): American theoretical physicist, best known for his work in renormalizing Quantum electrodynamics (QED) and his path integral formulation of quantum mechanics . He won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1965.[37][38] Sigmund Freud (1856–1939): Father of psychoanalysis.[39] Erich Fromm (1900–1980): renowned Jewish-German-American social psychologist, psychoanalyst, and humanistic philosopher, associated with the Frankfurt School of critical theory.[40] Christer Fuglesang (1957–), Swedish astronaut and physicist.[41] Vitaly Ginzburg (1916–2009): Russian theoretical physicist and astrophysicist who was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2003. He was also awarded the Wolf Prize in Physics in 1994/95.[42] Stephen Jay Gould (1941–2002): American paleontologist, evolutionary biologist, and historian of science, one of the most influential and widely read writers of popular science of his generation.[43] Susan Greenfield, Baroness Greenfield, CBE (1950–): British scientist, writer and broadcaster, specialising in the physiology of the brain, who has worked to research and bring attention to Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.[44] Jonathan Haidt (c.1964–): Associate professor of psychology at the University of Virginia, focusing on the psychological bases of morality across different cultures, and author of The Happiness Hypothesis.[45] E. T. 'Teddy' Hall (1924–2001): English archaeological scientist, famous for exposing the Piltdown Man fraud and dating the Turin Shroud as a medieval fake.[46] Sir James Hall (1761–1832): Scottish geologist and chemist, President of the Royal Society of Edinburgh and leading figure in the Scottish Enlightenment.[47] Beverly Halstead (1933–1991): British paleontologist and populariser of science.[48] G. H. Hardy (1877–1947): a prominent English mathematician, known for his achievements in number theory and mathematical analysis.[49][50] Stephen Hawking: arguably the world's pre-eminent scientist advocates atheism in The Grand Design[51] Peter Higgs (1929–): British theoretical physicist, recipient of the Dirac Medal and Prize, known for his prediction of the existence of a new particle, the Higgs boson, nicknamed the "God particle".[52] Lancelot Hogben (1895–1975): English experimental zoologist and medical statistician, now best known for his popularising books on science, mathematics and language.[53] Nicholas Humphrey (1943–): British psychologist, working on consciousness and belief in the supernatural from a Darwinian perspective, and primatological research into Machiavellian intelligence theory.[54] Sir Julian Huxley FRS (1887–1975): English evolutionary biologist, a leading figure in the mid-twentieth century evolutionary synthesis, Secretary of the Zoological Society of London (1935–1942), the first Director of UNESCO, and a founding member of the World Wildlife Fund.[55] Frédéric Joliot-Curie (1900–1958): French physicist and Nobel Laureate in Chemistry in 1935.[56][57] Steve Jones (1944–): British geneticist, Professor of genetics and head of the biology department at University College London, and television presenter and a prize-winning author on biology, especially evolution; one of the best known contemporary popular writers on evolution.[58][59] Stuart Kauffman (1939-): American theoretical biologist and complex systems researcher concerning the origin of life on Earth. He is best known for arguing that the complexity of biological systems and organisms might result as much from self-organization and far-from-equilibrium dynamics as from Darwinian natural selection, as well as for applying models of Boolean networks to simplified genetic circuits.[60] Lawrence Krauss (1954-): Professor of physics at Arizona State University and popularizer of science. Krauss speaks regularly at atheist conferences, like Beyond Belief and Atheist Alliance International.[61] Harold Kroto (1939–): 1996 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry.[62] Alfred Kinsey (1894–1956): American biologist, sexologist and professor of entomology and zoology.[63] Pierre-Simon Laplace (1749 –1827): French mathematician and astronomer whose work was pivotal to the development of mathematical astronomy and statistics, and anticipated the discovery of galaxies other than the Milky Way and the existence of black holes.[64] Richard Leakey (1944–): Kenyan paleontologist, archaeologist and conservationist.[65] Sir John Leslie (1766–1832): Scottish mathematician and physicist best remembered for his research into heat; he was the first person to artificially produce ice, and gave the first modern account of capillary action.[66] H. Christopher Longuet-Higgins FRS (1923–2004): English theoretical chemist and a cognitive scientist.[67] Samarendra Maulik (1881–1950): Indian entomologist specialising in the Coleoptera, who worked at the British Museum (Natural History) and a Professor of Zoology at the University of Calcutta.[68] John Maynard Smith (1920–2004): British evolutionary biologist and geneticist, instrumental in the application of game theory to evolution, and noted theorizer on the evolution of sex and signalling theory.[69] Ernst Mayr (1904–2005): a renowned taxonomist, tropical explorer, ornithologist, historian of science, and naturalist. He was one of the 20th century's leading evolutionary biologists.[70] Sir Peter Medawar (1915–1987): Nobel Prize-winning British scientist best known for his work on how the immune system rejects or accepts tissue transplants.[71] Jeff Medkeff (1968–2008): American astronomer, prominent science writer and educator, and designer of robotic telescopes.[72] Jonathan Miller CBE (1934–): British physician, actor, theatre and opera director, and television presenter. Wrote and presented the 2004 television series, Atheism: A Rough History of Disbelief, exploring the roots of his own atheism and investigating the history of atheism in the world.[73][74] Peter D. Mitchell (1920–1992): 1978-Nobel-laureate British biochemist. Atheist mother, and himself atheist from age 15.[75] Jacques Monod (1910–1976): French biologist who won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1965 for discoveries concerning genetic control of enzyme and virus synthesis.[76] Desmond Morris (1928–): English zoologist and ethologist, famous for describing human behaviour from a zoological perspective in his books The Naked Ape and The Human Zoo.[77][78] Fritz Müller (1821–1897): German biologist who emigrated to Brazil, where he studied the natural history of the Amazon rainforest and was an early advocate of evolutionary theory.[79] Hermann Joseph Muller (1890–1967): American geneticist and educator, best known for his work on the physiological and genetic effects of radiation (X-ray mutagenesis). He won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1946.[80] PZ Myers (1957–): American biology professor at the University of Minnesota and a blogger via his blog, Pharyngula.[81] Paul Nurse (1949–): 2001 Nobel Laureate in Physiology or Medicine.[82] Robert L. Park (born 1931): scientist, University of Maryland professor of physics, and author of Voodoo Science and Superstition.[83] Linus Pauling (1901–1994): American chemist, Nobel Laureate in Chemistry (1954) and Peace (1962)[32][84] John Allen Paulos (1945–): Professor of mathematics at Temple University in Philadelphia and writer, author of Irreligion: A Mathematician Explains Why the Arguments for God Just Don't Add Up (2007)[85] Ivan Pavlov (1849–1936): Nobel Prize winning Russian physiologist, psychologist, and physician, widely known for first describing the phenomenon of classical conditioning.[86] Francis Perrin (1901–1992): French physicist, co-establisher the possibility of nuclear chain reactions and nuclear energy production.[87] Massimo Pigliucci (1964–): Professor of Ecology and Evolution at the Stony Brook University and is known as an outspoken critic of creationism and advocate of science education.[88] Steven Pinker (1954–): Canadian-born American psychologist.[89] Norman Pirie FRS (1907–1997): British biochemist and virologist co-discoverer in 1936 of viral crystallization, an important milestone in understanding DNA and RNA.[90] Ronald Plasterk (1957–): Dutch prize-winning molecular geneticist and columnist, and Minister of Education, Culture and Science in the fourth Balkenende cabinet for the Labour Party.[91] Derek J. de Solla Price (1922–1983): British-American historian of science.[92] Frank P. Ramsey (1903–1930): British mathematician who also made significant contributions in philosophy and economics.[93] Richard J. Roberts (1943–): British biochemist and molecular biologist. He won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1993 for the discovery of introns in eukaryotic DNA and the mechanism of gene-splicing.[94][95][96] Steven Rose (1938–): Professor of Biology and Neurobiology at the Open University and University of London, and author of several popular science books.[97] Marshall Rosenbluth (1927–2003) American physicist, nicknamed "the Pope of Plasma Physics". He created the Metropolis algorithm in statistical mechanics, derived the Rosenbluth formula in high-energy physics, and laid the foundations for instability theory in plasma physics.[98] Oliver Sacks (1933–): United States-based British neurologist, who has written popular books about his patients, the most famous of which is Awakenings.[99] Carl Sagan (1934–1996): American astronomer and astrochemist, a highly successful popularizer of astronomy, astrophysics, and other natural sciences, and pioneer of exobiology and promoter of the SETI. Although Sagan has been identified as an atheist according to some definitions,[100][101][102] he rejected the label, stating "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know."[100] He was an agnostic who,[103] while maintaining that the idea of a creator of the universe was difficult to disprove,[104] nevertheless disbelieved in God's existence, pending sufficient evidence.[105] Robert Sapolsky (1957–): Professor of Biological Sciences and Professor of Neurology and Neurological Sciences at Stanford University.[106] Marcus du Sautoy (1965–): mathematician and holder of the Charles Simonyi Chair for the Public Understanding of Science.[107] Amartya Kumar Sen (1933–): 1998 Nobel Laureate in Economics.[108][109][110][111] Claude Shannon (1916–2001): American electrical engineer and mathematician, has been called "the father of information theory", and was the founder of practical digital circuit design theory.[112] Edwin Shneidman (1918–2009): American suicidologist and thanatologist.[113] Michael Smith (1932–2000): British-born Canadian biochemist and Nobel Laureate in Chemistry in 1993.[114] Richard Stallman (1953–): American software freedom activist, hacker, and software developer.[115] Victor J. Stenger (1935–): American physicist, emeritus professor of Physics and Astronomy at the University of Hawaii and adjunct professor of Philosophy at the University of Colorado. Author of the book God: The Failed Hypothesis.[116] Jack Suchet (1908–2001): South African born obstetrician, gynaecologist and venereologist, who carried out research on the use of penicillin in the treatment of venereal disease with Sir Alexander Fleming.[117] Eleazar Sukenik (1889–1953): Israeli archaeologist and professor of Hebrew University in Jerusalem, undertaking excavations in Jerusalem, and recognising the importance of the Dead Sea Scrolls to Israel.[118] Leonard Susskind (1940–): American theoretical physicist; a founding father of superstring theory and professor of theoretical physics at Stanford University.[119] Raymond Tallis (1946–): Leading British gerontologist, philosopher, poet, novelist and cultural critic.[120] Frank J. Tipler (1947–): American mathematical physicist and professor at Tulane University.[121] Gherman Titov (1935–2000): Soviet cosmonaut and the second human to orbit the Earth.[122] Linus Torvalds (1969–): Finnish software engineer, creator of the Linux kernel.[123] Alan Turing (1912–1954): English mathematician, logician, and cryptographer; often considered to be the father of modern computer science. The Turing Award, often recognized as the "Nobel Prize of computing", is named after him.[124][125] Matthew Turner (died ca. 1789): chemist, surgeon, teacher and radical theologian, author of the first published work of avowed atheism in Britain (1782).[126][127] J. Craig Venter (1946–): American biologist and entrepreneur, one of the first researchers to sequence the human genome, and in 2010 the first to create a cell with a synthetic genome.[128] W. Grey Walter (1910–1977): American neurophysiologist famous for his work on brain waves, and robotician.[129] James D. Watson (1928–): 1962-Nobel-laureate co-discover of the structure of DNA.[130][131] Joseph Weber (1919–2000): American physicist, who gave the earliest public lecture on the principles behind the laser and the maser, and developed the first gravitational wave detectors (Weber bars).[132] Steven Weinberg (1933–): American theoretical physicist. He won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979 for the unification of electromagnetism and the weak force into the electroweak force.[133][134][135] David Sloan Wilson (1949–): American evolutionary biologist, son of Sloan Wilson, proponent of multilevel selection theory and author of several popular books on evolution.[136] Lewis Wolpert CBE FRS FRSL (1929–): developmental biologist, author, and broadcaster.[137] Steve Wozniak (1950–): co-founder of Apple Computer and inventor of the Apple I and Apple II.[138] Elizur Wright (1804–1885): American mathematician and abolitionist, sometimes described as the "father of life insurance" for his pioneering work on actuarial tables.[139] Will Wright (1960–): American computer game designer and co-founder of the game development company Maxis.[140] Victor Weisskopf (1908–2002): Austrian-American theoretical physicist, co-founder and board member of the Union of Concerned Scientists.[141] so all these did what they did in the name of atheism? I thought they did what they did for a lot of other reasons besides being an atheist. e
  11. Honestly, I think the belief system of Atheists spend about 0.000001% of their time God bashing. The rest of their time are spent living productive/or exploiting lives like the rest of us and probably promote good thoughts and idea or for the betterment of the world like any rational people. Atheism doesn't equal handicap. So the athiestic leadership like of mao and others, has had no negitive effect on the lives of others? I would call them handicaped. I do agree that people who chose to live life without faith in God, can do so and not harm others but my question still stands, what good comes from a mindset that does not retain the knowledge of God? e
  12. I guess, in your perspective, I am an evil leader! Fear me..... (sarcasm). Thank you for sharing your unique christian perspective. I will register this as part of the data I am collecting. Regards, UF So your a leader of what? Of a nation? Of a club? Diswashing association? e e, it's your quote. You can tell us what you mean better than I can. Regards, UF but you called yourself an evil leader, i did not, so I asked you a question and you answered e
  13. sorry, that is what I thought you meant. Why wait to get married? I think time a qualifier, meaning in terms of being qualified for marriage. would you feel good about your child marrying at, 16, 17 18, years of age? My concern would be the missed placed priorities at hand. They would at the very lease graduate from high school and provide for me some tyoed of road map for their future, besides keeping it pure until that day. There are bigger issues in a marriage other than sex, finances tend to be the big one, and at that age what do they know about finances? Ive seen the couple who got married because they say "this is the one", only to find out that she had two other childern she had never told him about, only because he could not wait 6 months. This type of thing happens for those who chose not to wait, they get aids, or sum type of std, or debt that was never revealed, or the one of the persons in that relationship changes into someone completly different after they got married, and you alway hear "I never knew that they would be like that". These are some of my reasons as to why wait, you never can fully know what you get,but you should knew enough to make a better choice. My advice to any person thinking about marriage, wait as long as you can, go through marriage counseling, and ask all those awkward questions about their past and future, get blood test done, and if their children from their past, meet the parent of those kids to gain perspective, NO BODY LIKES NEGITIVE SUPRISES AFTER THE WEDDING DAY. If true love is at the core there shouldnt be anything to hide and therefore no issue with these types of request. As christians we should plan to only marry once, so we should do our best to be prudent so we can improve our odds of not getting a divorce. e
  14. God!.... Is the Lord the Lord of our lives, or is the Lord only Lord of parts our lives? Jesus said "why do you call me Lord if you do not do what I tell you"? which is to say that If he is not Lord of all of our lives, He not Lord at all. I glad you have seen your errors, and as a pastor I would be concerned with the rest of the choices in the marriage. Will you put God and his way aside when things get tuff? I am not saying this is you, I am just sharing with you my concerns with christians who start out with this type of mind set. I am sure you have a great marriage and trust that Jesus is the center of your marriage, however for those who may read this, troubles may fill there marriage and to them, I am speaking to. e
  15. Agreed! We as Christian leaders should strive to keep the standards high as God has laid them and not shy away from feeding the flock full course meals, year in and year out! As it has been said "you can take a horse to the water but you cannot make it drink". e
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