enoob57

First and foremost we must let go of our bounds and let the mind be renewed in thought by The Word of God: Past, present and future are not to God the same... God only dwells in His eternal presence. Thus all things here as to what we call reality is distorted by lie and darkness and the rule of satan... John 3:19 (KJV) [19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. John 12:35 (KJV) [35] Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. John 12:46 (KJV) [46] I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. [47] And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [48] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. It is why God says we are to renew our minds to His Scripture Romans 12:2 (KJV) [2] And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. As we cannot go in our minds to perfection... 1 John 3:2 (KJV) [2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. so God has never been anything else... Jesus did not die in His sin but Ours ... Jesus never ceased being the light! The problem of God being in or existing in imperfection of sin around Him is already solved in Christ in this manner- His flesh from Adam through Mary never took part in sin and not once allowed Himself to be of the world... At the cross we see that He emptied Himself of total self desire and took as His the desire of The Father. At the epitome of light we see The Love of God displayed 'Father forgive them they know not what they do'... nothing came out of God on the cross but love as we see Paul and the Holy Spirit speaking about in 1Cor 13... 'all' can see this... 'all' can know this... 'all' can accept or reject this... 'It is finished' ... What we are left with is the solution outside of time where 'In the beginning' and the eternal state is all that will be or ever was... God has answered us in that the error of satan thinking that something could exist outside of God and be god is not possible... so God made a place for this error called the lake of fire and in the infinite of God, which we shall dwell with Him, in that perfection, the two shall never meet again...

The cross itself was the concluding work of God bring about a new creation of s/Spirit which is kept by the power of God from sin and guaranteed and eternal place in that conclusion unto a new heaven and new earth where sin has not existed nor ever will be... sin has no place with God and never will have... 'It is finished' were just seeing that played out in drawing as many souls as whosoever will into that reality...

should be quiet and submit to enoob's last

now why on earth when weirdness come into the conversation you'd think of me

General principle in hermeneutics: when the plain sense makes sense seek no other sense... when God, Who has no beginning, narrates to Moses 'In the beginning' with no other qualifiers! Then one is left with all from this point on begins ... so anything that began followed from in the beginning...

The text is speaking of creation in Job... We know Jesus is The Son of God and satan is an angel and how that relates to morning star is brightness not star itself... Ezekiel 28:17 (KJV) [17] Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 1 Timothy 6:15 (KJV) [15] Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; [16] Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

then your hermeneutic is based on your assumption and not on text... God is very clear about His Word 'It is written'...

The Bible does not say when angels were created... the Job account specifies their existence on the forth day but dies no claim they were existing when God created the heaven and the earth... Job 38:4-7 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; God states no other present at creating heavens and earth ... and in verse 7 below Scripture testifies of the presence of angels on the fourth day when God created the stars-'morning stars sang together' 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? KJV The pattern of God in creating: He makes the place and then creates the host that will be in that place.... so staying within the example God has laid out for us in His Creation we can say after God created the place heaven then angels could have been created anywhere from then to the fourth day when they are stated as being there...

I like singing the little bunny fu fu song

Genesis 2:1 (KJV) [1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Adequately all contained in the created heaven and earth... being the entirety of creation...

This is some good scholarship on the OP https://answersingenesis.org/genesis/gap-theory/

The problem with that is you have God blessing and sanctifying all that He created Genesis 2:1 (KJV) [1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. So to hold to your view you have God blessing and sanctifying Lucifer's rebellion... and that would be theological suicide as to the character of God...

This thread has made me quite blue

Then you would have God breaking His own seal Revelation 22:18 (KJV) [18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Plus this would not be true then 2 Timothy 3:15 (KJV) [15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

John 8:32 (KJV) [32] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 17:17 (KJV) [17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. I'm going with God on what works and doesn't work...

And when God has told us all His plans for the everlasting ->this peace can only be for them that accept those plans... We tell them, the unregenerate, that all of what they are has been separated out from God... absolutely all that they have experienced and pursued will cease... not to much peace for them in that. Yet that is our mission to point to the narrow way toward life... noting the quietness and assurance is qualified in everlasting are those who live in this light of His Word...

Are you in a Catholic environment?

The greatest effort is to use the thing (physically) to accomplish this enslavement yet not being attach to the thing itself... 1 John 2:15 (KJV) [15] Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

make us not mind being babies

The enemy is the ones who support lie... as lie has nothing of God within it... The Lord has brought Himself in The Person of The Holy Spirit to dwell within His children and God's Word is our weaponry and defense so as not to become part and parcel to the lie ever again... In this we have the infinite supply of Love and we can spend it lavishly here and now upon all we are near... the miracle is to be set free from the lie in so doing we have the power of Truth/Christ... John 14:6 (KJV) [6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. When the world sees that which we have began in means little to us... then they are forced to see an attachment to that which is not of here... Galatians 6:10 (KJV) [10] As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

the prophecy of Daniel was for knowing when the last of days were here... and thus the mall comment... you are here

The greater the care the less we will respond in quickness - James 1

Gen 13:12-13 12 Abram dwelled in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelled in the cities of the plain, and pitched his tent toward Sodom. 13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly. KJV Places that offer much in the world's goods are close to the breast of satan... He knows the draw of humanity to things that are pleasing... the greater the rebellion the closer to satan assured... Gen 13:14-18 14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: 15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. This the most unique promise of God to Abraham in this: the promise of forever to that which is set to be totally and completely destroyed by fire (NO)... remember Abraham's heart in his search for that of God: Hebrews 11:8 (KJV) [8] By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. [9] By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: [10] For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. We understand the forever is tied with everlasting life for those who pursue the things of God and whose heart is untied from that which does not continue... the considerations go deeply into the fact Revelation 20:11 (KJV) [11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. John 14:2 (KJV) [2] In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. Revelation 21:1 (KJV) [21:1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Truly the Word of God is s/Spirit and Life... and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us... 16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. 17 Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee. 18 Then Abram removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the LORD. KJV Surely our need to worship God is overwhelmed by the completed canon of all that God wanted us to know and reflection of the heart that contains that knowledge, practiced, is the assurance of being known by Jesus... the portable alter tag-> we are it...

you misunderstood what I what trying to relate... God as perfect- judges us according to His Word thus there must be responsibility on our part to be able to arrive as such to an understanding of that Word...

One more thought- if this you claim is true how is it The Perfect Being God will judge all men accordingly? John 12:48 (KJV) [48] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.