Rainy

Should we ? Absolutely, I think everyone should..... Do you have to in order to be saved ? No... John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." I don't think so. While it is true that Christ came down to bring us redemption does not mean that we can now follow our own will and do whatever we want. If we did that, we would just be going back to the same thing that Adam and Eve did when they disobeyed God. Now that Christ gave us redemption, we still have to follow certain things. If we can't obey those simple things such as "baptism" then how can we be obedient to Christ? Afterall, baptism was ordered by God. It was never ordered by man. I have a question (close your eyes gdemoss). If a person is on their death bed, just about to pass, and they accept Jesus as their Savior, then dies without being baptized, are they saved? There is a difference between being saved and being obedient. Why are you asking me? I'm not the one who makes that judgement. God has always been the one who decides who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell. I never made that decision. There is a difference between being saved and being obedient?? When God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, their disobedience got them kicked out of the Garden of Eden. Their disobedience did not save them. Do you think that it's okay to disobey God? Don't you think we should obey the things ordered by God? Afterall, to "believe" is "to obey." If a person truly believes in God, that person would obey God. I asked you because of your post, and to make you think a bit. So, thinking back to when you were first saved, were you always obedient? Are you always obedient now? If not, are you in and out of salvation according to obeying or not? The question was also to show that not everyone has time to be baptized after they are saved, and in these cases, I believe they will return to the Lord, even if they are not baptized. I agree that God knows the heart of a person, not us, yet, this discussion is about someone being saved if they are not baptized. I noticed you did not reply to my first post to you. Did you miss it? My brother, I am a Catholic. Catholics don't believe in the "I am saved once and for all" thing. We believe that we are in the process of being saved. We understand that salvation can be lost. We also believe that salvation comes ONLY from God; and therefore, ONLY He makes the decision of who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell. Afterall, He can have mercy on whomever He wants to have mercy. So, are you saying that if someone accepts Christ and dies before being baptized, they are not fulfilling Mark 16:16, therefore, being disobedient and not having salvation? OR are you reading into scripture something that is not there? This is basically my reason for replying to your post. I am saying that it is up to God to decide to give salvation or not to those who are not baptized. It's His call. The Holy Bible says that God can have mercy on whomever He wants. So, Catholics pray for God's mercy for all mankind rather than for God's judgement. The fact that God Himself instituted the Sacrament of Baptism and that Christ even underwent baptism reveals the necessity of baptism for those who already believe in Him. Mark 16:16 does not make baptism a requirement for salvation, but a result of being saved. God has already given salvation to those who accept Christ. Salvation is not a result of being baptized, but being baptized is the result of being saved. Your putting the horse before the cart. I thought the horse was suppose to go before(in of front) the cart?? Isn't it cart before the horse? But to stay on topic, I don't think baptism is necessary for salvation. I think of many people who believe in God on their death beds and never had the opportunity to be baptised and also the thief on the cross. I do believe baptism is important and I do believe we should be baptised, but not because it saves us. I believe we are save by Grace alone through Faith alone. Saying we have to have baptism to be saved, is in my opinion saying that Christ can't do it all that we have to do something. Therefore if baptism is required for salvation we wouldn't be saved by grace alone.

This is awesome!!!

LOL!! I would agree walla

That is cool!!

http://www.worthychristianforums.com/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&fromMainBar=1 Worthy has had a lot of discussion on this maybe try looking at some of them!

Wow!! That is good!!

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ESV...(do you know the can of worms your opening)

Lol!!

I know why people say God Bless you or Bless you once you have sneezed. But why do you and those people say God Bless You or God Bless when saying Goodbye? Is it right to say it? What are your thoughts?

Praise the Lord!!!

there is a great book called "Wild At Heart" i cant remember the author but its very uplifting...give it a read keep ur head up John Eldredge wrote "Wild at Heart"

That's so funny!!

Welcome Back!!

I really like Third Day's music!