gerhard eber

We all and all our works are the old covenant nullified by the blood of Christ the New and Eternal Covenant of God's grace and love ratified by the blood of Christ.

No disciples asked for the body; Joseph of the Sanhedrin did. It was not after the 9th hour when Joseph asked, but after "it had become and was the evening already (when) Joseph" turned up and waited for his turn to ask Pilate for the body "after these things" the Jews hypocritically did after sunset and before Joseph arrived. But because Joseph had the whole "high-day-of-sabbath" to inter the body still, not time, but because of the Jews, stealth was of the essence Luke 23:50-52. Luke 23:53a followed "in That Night" according to passover prophesy, and Joseph, only after he had received Pilate's approval and cooperation, carried on with his obvious carefully premeditated undertaking to bury Jesus honourably and finish “mid-afternoon That Day” (23b,54), “because of the Jews’ preparations” (John 19:42) usual for the nearing “Sabbath according to the (Fourth) Commandment” (v56).

Amen! Correct!

Exodus 12:41,42 = 12:6-18 Exodus 12:41,42 historic = 12:6-23 historic = 12:24-27 institutional = 12:28-40 historic = Exodus 12:41 historic = 12:42 historic and institutional = 12:43-49 institutional = 12:50 historic = 12:51 historic and institutional

I think God also loves sunset and evenings, because that is when no one except He begins his work of grace, salvation and judgement. The Bible is full of pictures of God after the sun has set and the day had begun, visiting someone or more people in dire need of his help and presence.

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That doesn't work. Your posts clearly demonstrate that you believe in some kind of Sabbath observance, despite the fact that you tie Jesus' resurrection on Saturday when we know Jesus was not resurrected on Saturday. You say '~we know Jesus was not resurrected on Saturday~'. Cut me out, for I KNOW MY REDEEMER LIVETH AND THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES THE THIRD DAY ON THE SABBATH THE DAY AFTER THE PREPARATION. Matthew 27:62 to 28:1-4. And THEREFORE, again, yes, I '~believe in some kind of Sabbath observance~' which, as I said consistently, is, I believe - NOT keep - the Sabbath. I told my son, we can do what the Bible says we must do, and that is, to "REMEMBER the Sabbath" for the reason impossible for us to forget, That God raised Christ from the dead "on the Sabbath", the Sabbath "The Seventh Day God .. in times past through the prophets, IN THESE LAST DAYS BY THE SON, SPAKE: And God THE DAY the Seventh Day from all, his, works, RESTED", rested in Christ, rested in Christ HAVING RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD ON the Sabbath, the Sabbath "The-Seventh-Day-Sabbath-OF-THE-LORD GOD"! If anyone 'agreed' with me he would not need say he agreed with me; he only has to quote the Scriptures to the honour of God only!

'Justin' alias 'listener 24'? does not agree with me. If he did, he would have GIVEN THE WORD OF GOD for his 'beliefs' which I have seen him give yet, not once.

This time, please quote me, claim, that I, '~keep the Sabbath~'! I believe the Sabbath yes, for one, two-in-one reason, a) That Jesus the Son of Man 'kept the Sabbath' whom God as Christ and Lord raised from the dead b) according to the SCRIPTURES the third day ON THE SABBATH.

WHO JUDGES (who), saying, '~If you stick just one work in there, no matter what work it is, and tell others their salvation is tied to that work, you completely negate the Cross~'? WHAT is '~the Sabbath, spiritually, and positionally every day of the week, every hour of it~', simply explained through Scripture, and not through your supposed '~faith in Christ~' please? '~It doesn't get any simpler than that .. the Sabbath is not about a specific day .. and Hebrews tells us this very specifically.~' So, just, yes, just, only, simply, QUOTE man, QUOTE, Hebrews for us, where, that, and how it tells us that!

Can you quote Jesus' words in the Gospel (Matthew, Mark, Luke or John, you choose) in answer to what I was simply asking? No, instead you deliberately ignore to quote what I asked you to quote. So all your answer is, is accusing me that I attack you personally. I am not interested in you and have no interest in attacking you; I asked you specifics AS PER YOUR PERSONAL CLAIMS from the Scriptures. Accusing me of attacking you DOES NOT ANSWER any of those specifics YOU, not I, claim from the Scriptures. I ask you again, just quote from the Scriptures what you claim from the Scriptures.

Ja, that's the tip of your 'iceberg' which you will reveal, but underneath there is your total disavowal and condemnation of "all the Scriptures concerning the Christ, how He had to SUFFER AND RISE .. according to the SCRIPTURES the third day .. ON THE SABBATH". Not so simple!

This shows, reflects, PROVES just how YOU '~read the Gospel~', and it's ALL it does besides confirming your falsity that it made the Pharisees '~angry because they didn't want Him to perform the same things He was doing on other days.~' You're not even ludicrous!

'Letting alone' nothing of what Jesus ever said, the fact YOU '~don't find any indication on how a believer should concretely "keep the Sabbath"~', does in no way whatsoever 'indicate' or 'describe', or '~in other words~' even remotely resemble '~Jesus' words~'. Quote here where you '~usually read the Gospel~' support your VAIN allegations!

God help us that believers should do anything '~on Saturday to practically keep the Sabbath~'!

'perhaps...' is telling of one thing only, your cock-sureness that it is "foolishness" for God to have reduced the Sabbath of His Own Rest in Jesus Christ for the people of God to a day, "4:4 For God (3:13 of Christ the Beginning of our confidence) thus concerning The Seventh Day spake: And God THE DAY the Seventh Day from (of, due to, by, because of, through) all, his, works (through Christ), (in Christ) rested!" 'o Theos tou Christou .. eirehken gar pou peri tehs Hebdomehs houtohs: Kai katepausen ho Theos en TEHI HEHMERAI tehi Hebdomehi apo pantohn tohn ergohn autou.'

You are not the novice you pretend to be. No one on here won't recognise that fact at once. 8 times it's 'I', 'I', 'I' in this short space - unmistakable indication 'I' is thoroughly acquainted with his / her own 'idea' of 'what it means to keep the Sabbath' and that he / she is of the opinion any idea at difference with his / her own, is 'pharisaic'. Who would have so little wisdom as to think it worthwhile to enter into discussion with someone who already is so sure of his or her own ideas about the Sabbath in the Scriptures?

Who is 'you', is he or she, God, or YOU?

Yes. So He told his holy, set apart for that purpose, apostles. The trouble with the church began when everybody began to claim he is an apostle, and that, a holy one, mind you!

Some kids know less about SDA than New York bedbugs partying on on their behinds. Some old men are so jealous of the kids partying on they pretend to have forgotten they are of kin and still behave like them.

Until Jesus comes again, let the Sabbath be the Lord's Day. Do not rob the Sabbath of its Lord, or rob the Lord of his Sabbath Day and force Him rise on Sunday, for then His is not the Rest of God. Revelation 6:17

Absolutely! "Therefore, If JESUS gave them rest, THERE, THEN, and THEREFORE, for the People of God remains a Sabbath Rest Day to enjoy BECAUSE HE IS ENTERED INTO HIS OWN REST EVEN AS GOD from all his works rested .. THE WORD OF GOD BEING ALIVE and WORKING sharper than any two-edged sword to the judgement and thoughts and intentions of the heart (of men meant) to divide apart his soul and spirit and joints and marrow." "Christ having TRIUMPHED IN IT", HIS SUFFERING OF DEATH, "let no man judge or condemn you with regard to eating and drinking of Sabbaths' Feast of Christ the Substance .. and Nourishment ministered..." Hebrews 4:9-12 Colossians 2: 12-19.

Know and confess the same Confession, all are the same of the only God Creator and Saviour Jesus Christ. This is one more you may count. And once again, "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar." Don't call me '~friend~' of HATE!

"All who confess that Jesus is the Son of God have God living in them, and they live in God." (1 John 4:15). "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar. .. For this Commandment have we from Him, That who loveth God love his brother also." (1 John 4:20,21). "The one, the very same who confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, the One, the very God, stays in him, and he, stays, in God." 1 John 4:15. And so again, "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar" and twister of God's Word. FresnoJoe said, '~When I get on my high horse, I usually find Jesus rides off on his donkey~'