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Would the Revelation 7:1-4 "[sealing] the servants of our God in their foreheads" be speaking about something different than the mark in Revelation 20:4 ? Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Hmm... Perhaps: i) There were 7000 Jews reserved at a previous time (Romans 11:1-4), ii) There are at this present time the remnant of grace (Romans 11:5) (the 'remnant' being: Jews & Gentiles, the Body of Christ - Ephesians 5:30, Ephesians 2:12-22, Ephesians 3:6), and iii) There will be a remnant of the Jews (144 000) in the tribulation period (Revelation 7:3)... And Revelation 7 is speaking about "shortening those days" "for the elect's [only the Jew's ?] sake" [Mark 13:19-20] - (I still have the question concerning Gentiles saved in the tribulation). Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. A question arises out of Revelation 7:3: - When do the "servants of our God" get "sealed... ...in their foreheads" ? - What is the "seal... ...in their foreheads" (Revelation 7:3) speaking of? - If the "seal" (In Revelation 7:3) is speaking about when "the Deliverer" comes and "[turns] away ungodliness from Jacob" (Romans 11:26) Then; - Is there a "wrath" for the earth after the tribulation (seeing as Revelation 7:3 states not to Hurt the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees until we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.)?

The 144 000... Romans 11:1-5 Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. "at this present time"... - Is this referring to the total number of all historical and present and future (Lord-willing) saved Jews? As God is the God of Abraham (living) and all live unto him? Luke 20:37-38 Luke 20:37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Luke 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him. Those who are in the grave... but are "living"... could this be what the 144 000 is referring to? and Romans 11:5 ---> "at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace" Revelation 7 Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Is verse 9 referring to Gentiles and Jews of the church, and also Gentiles which are saved after the rapture of the church? - If this is referring to Gentiles which are saved after the rapture of the church... where else in scripture does it speak of this? - Who specifically is verse 9 referring to? a) The Church (Jews and Gentiles) c) The Tribulation Jews and the Gentiles d) Just strictly Gentiles (and if so) i) Gentiles of the church, or ii) Gentiles of the tribulation, or iii) both? Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Rev 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Rev 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. Rev 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. FresnoJoe: - Is Revelation 7:9 referring to Jews and not Gentiles? Hm.. would Joel 2:32 "and in the remnant" be stating that Revelation 7:9 is referring to the Gentiles and Jews? (Which Gentiles though, those of the church? or those of the tribulation? are there Tribulation Gentiles?) (and which Jews? all Jews that children of promise - Romans 9:6-8 - (and would "all Israel" Romans 11:26 be referring to the "children of promise" Romans 9:6-8?) - What time is Joel 2:32 speaking of?

Revelation 7 Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Rev 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Rev 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. Rev 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. - Is there any scripture that states that there will be Gentile Converts from within the Tribulation period? - Could verse 9 be referring to the 144 000 Jews and the Jews and Gentiles of the church who were raptured? - Verse 14 indicates that "These are they which came out of great tribulation" - Would this "coming out of the great tribulation" line up with the rapture of the church and the Daniel 12:1 Jews? Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. - How are the Jews "delivered" (Daniel 12:1) ?

I am not sure what you mean by "Pentecostal Movement", but: Would you say that Tongues Prophecies Knowledge ceased when the Word of God was fully written? View Thread on "Tongues Prophecies Knowledge - When that which is perfect is come..."

Proverbs 24:21-22 Prov 24:21 My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change: Prov 24:22 For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both? Ecclesiastes 5:8 Eccl 5:8 If thou seest the oppression of the poor, and violent perverting of judgment and justice in a province, marvel not at the matter: for he that is higher than the highest regardeth; and there be higher than they. Ecclesiastes 10:20 Eccl 10:20 Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber: for a bird of the air shall carry the voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter.

Being a woman had nothing to do with the book being rejected from the cannon. We have the books of Ruth and Esther. I heard that the reason Marry been kicked out was bcs peter and some other disciples unhappy for Marry’s great reputation made them lower.(news from the BBC/or Discovery documentary) 1 Timothy 1:3-5 1Tim 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 1Tim 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 1Tim 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

- If "Scriptures are they which testify of Christ... John 5:39" - Does 2 Maccabees 12:46 testify of Christ? 2 Maccabees 12 {12:39} And the following day, Judas came with his own, in order to take away the bodies of the fallen, and to place them in the sepulchers of their fathers with their ancestors. {12:40} But they found, under the tunics of the slain, some of the treasures of the idols that were near Jamnia, which were prohibited to Jews by the law. Therefore, it became manifest that it was for this reason that they had been overthrown. {12:41} And so, they all blessed the just judgment of the Lord, who had made hidden things manifest. {12:42} So then, turning themselves to prayers, they petitioned him that the offense which had been done would be delivered into oblivion. And truly, the very strong Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves without sin, since they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sins of those who were struck down. {12:43} And, calling an assembly, he sent twelve thousand drachmas of silver to Jerusalem, to be offered for a sacrifice for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously about the resurrection, {12:44} (for if he had not hoped that those who had fallen would be resurrected, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,) {12:45} and because he considered that those who had fallen asleep with piety had great grace stored up for them. {12:46} Therefore, it is a holy and beneficial thought to pray on behalf of those who have passed away, so that they may be released from sins. - Luke 16:26 is "the doctrine of Christ", and states that there is a great gulf fixed, so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence: Luke 16:19-31 Luke 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: Luke 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, Luke 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. Luke 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. Luke 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Luke 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: Luke 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. Luke 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. - Therefore, is it "a holy and beneficial thought to pray on behalf of those who have passed away, so that they may be released from sins." (2 Maccabees 12:46) ? - Is 2 Maccabees 12:46 scripture? does it testify of Christ? [1 Timothy 1:3-5]

Are you relating the Angel of YHWH to receiving worship because of Genesis 19:1? Genesis 18 never says the word "angel" (as to whether or not they were men and/or angels and/or the LORD, we would have to study that to find out). Is Genesis 19:1 referring to God's son? (It says "angels" - plural) Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; - Lot bowed himself with his face toward the ground... are you wondering if this is "worship" ? - Genesis 23:7 indicates that "Abraham stood up, and bowed himself to the people of the land, even to the children of Heth." - Did Abraham worship the children of Heth? - As to verse 18 of Genesis 19... 18And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my LORD: - It states in Malachi that the priest is the messenger of the LORD... (Malachi 2:7) - So could Lot saying unto the two angels "my LORD" mean that the angels were the messengers of the LORD and speaking for The LORD?

Well; Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. "equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection" - Would this indicate that the saints' resurrected bodies are equal unto the angels? - Or would this passage indicate that resurrected saints are equal unto the angels in the children of God and dieing and marrying aspects. - A note to make: it says: "for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection." - Could the "and" be relating the "equal unto the angels" to the "children of God" (so that saints are equal unto the angels only in the children of God and dieing and marrying aspects) or could the "and" be simply stating another truth, and thus, separating the two phrases (so that the saints are equal unto the angels of God in every way)? - Will saints have an equal body to the angels... - Do angels have "bodies"...... - If God makes his angels spirits (Psalm 104:4), and - spirits have not flesh and bones (Luke 24:37-39) as the Lord had (which is also our resurrected spiritual body - 1 Corinthians 15:44) --- indicating that angels which are spirits do not have a spiritual body... - Then resurrected saints would not have bodies equal unto the angels... - If this is true, Luke 20:35-36 must mean that the resurrected saints are only equal to the angels in the children of God and dieing and marrying aspects. - The passage that needs explaining then is 1 Corinthians 15:40--- 1 Corinthians 15:35-47 1Cor 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 1Cor 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 1Cor 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 1Cor 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 1Cor 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 1Cor 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. ___________________________________________________ Verse 40. The Greek word translated to English "celestial" comes from the same word used in Hebrews 11:12 "...the stars of the sky in multitude..." (indicating visible heavens...) (but in Hebrew... there is the signification that heaven is: the "holy habitation" of the LORD - Deuteronomy 26:15, and it is asked that the LORD would "look down from" His "holy habitation") - It is stated that "no man hath seen the Father" John 6:46 - Would verse 40 indicate that angels have celestial bodies? - (Perhaps there is a difference between celestial and spiritual bodies...) ___________________________________________________ 1Cor 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 1Cor 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 1Cor 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 1Cor 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 1Cor 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 1Cor 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. The Third Heaven (2 Corinthians 12:1-4) 2Cor 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2Cor 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 2Cor 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 2Cor 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. What is "the third heaven" ? - And why does Paul indicate "(whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)" and "he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."... Could the following be a correct interpretation: First: clouds (air) Second: stars (sky) Third: Spiritual

Psalm 19:1-10 Ps 19:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Ps 19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. Ps 19:3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Ps 19:4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Ps 19:5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. Ps 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. Ps 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. Ps 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. Ps 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. Ps 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Psalm 19 indicates that God's word was spoken by angels (Hebrews 2:2), and that There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. Psalm 12:6-7 indicates that The LORD shalt keep his words, and He shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. Proverbs 20:24 indicates that The LORD used men to keep his words (Romans 3:1-2 - The LORD used Jews to keep His words.). Scriptures are they which testify of Christ... John 5:39 Testify (from Webster's dictionary): - to give testimony for the purpose of communicating to others a knowledge of something not known to them. - To affirm or declare solemnly for the purpose of establishing a fact. It is stated in 2 John 1:9 that Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. Genesis 3:1 - Satan said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? - Satan is behind "wresting" scriptures (2 Peter 3:16). 2 Peter 3:16 indicates that Peter claimed that Pauline epistles were/are scripture. _____________________________________________________________________________ - That "Intertestamental Period... Could Amos 8 be speaking about the "Intertestamental Period"? Amos 8:11-14 Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: Amos 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it. Amos 8:13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst. Amos 8:14 They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again. ...Therefore if Amos 8 is speaking about that Intertestamental period, anything written in that intertestamental period is not the word of the LORD, as it is stated that "they shall not find the word of the LORD" (verse 12). Does the Apocrypha state that there was no prophet in the Intertestemental period? 1 Maccabees 4 {4:41} Then Judas numbered men to fight against those who were in the stronghold, until they had cleansed the holy places. {4:42} And he chose priests without blemish, whose will held to the law of God. {4:43} And they cleansed the holy places, and they took away the stones of defilement to an unclean place. {4:44} And he considered the altar of holocausts, which had been profaned, as to what he should do with it. {4:45} And a good counsel fell upon them, to destroy it, lest it might become a reproach to them, because the Gentiles had defiled it; so they demolished it. {4:46} And they stored the stones in the mountain house, in a fitting place, until there should come a prophet, who would provide an answer about these. {4:47} Then they took whole stones, according to the law, and they built a new altar, according to that which was before. {4:48} And they rebuilt the holy places and the things that were in the inner parts of the temple, and they sanctified the temple and the courts. 1 Maccabees 9 {9:23} And it happened that, after the death of Judas, the iniquitous began to emerge in all the parts of Israel, and they began to encourage all those who worked iniquity. {9:24} In those days, there occurred a very great famine, and the entire region handed itself over to Bacchides. {9:25} And Bacchides chose impious men, and he appointed them as rulers of the region. {9:26} And they sought out and persecuted the friends of Judas, and they led them to Bacchides, and he took vengeance on them and abused them. {9:27} And there occurred a great tribulation in Israel, such as had never been, since the day that there was no prophet seen in Israel. {9:28} And all the friends of Judas gathered together, and they said to Jonathan: {9:29} “Since your brother Judas has fallen away, there is not a man like him to go forth against our enemies, against Bacchides and those who are the enemies of our nation. {9:30} And so now, we have chosen you in his place, on this day, to be our leader and commander in order to wage our wars.” {9:31} And so, at that time, Jonathan took upon himself the leadership, and he rose up in the place of Judas, his brother. 1 Maccabees 14 {14:35} And the people saw the acts of Simon, and the glory that he intended to bring to his nation, and they made him their commander and first priest, because he had done all these things, and because of the justice and faith that he maintained for his nation, and because he sought to exalt his people by all means. {14:36} And in his days, there was prosperity by his hands, so that the Gentiles were taken away from their country, and also those who were in the city of David, in Jerusalem, in the stronghold, from which they went out and contaminated all the places that were around the sanctuary, and from which they brought a great scourging against chastity. {14:37} And he placed in it Jewish men, as a means of protection for the region and the city, and he raised the walls of Jerusalem. {14:38} And king Demetrius confirmed him in the high priesthood. {14:39} According to these things, he made him his friend, and he glorified him with great glory. {14:40} For he heard that the Romans had called the Jews their friends, and associates, and brothers, and that they received the ambassadors of Simon with glory, {14:41} and that the Jews and their priests had consented that he should be their governor and high priest unceasingly, until there should arise a faithful prophet, {14:42} and that he should be the commander over them, and that he should take care of the sanctuary, and that he should appoint foremen over their works, and over the country, and over the weapons, and over the strongholds, {14:43} and that he should take care of the holy places, and that he should be obeyed by all, and that all the records in the country should be recorded in his name, and that he should be clothed in purple and gold, {14:44} and that it should not be lawful for any of the people or the priests to make void any of these things, nor to contradict things that are said by him, nor to call together an assembly in the country without him, nor to be clothed in purple, nor to use a clasp of gold. (^ Aggeus=Haggai)

2Pet 3:16 As also in all [Paul's] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:16 indicates that the Pauline epistles are scriptures... Peter stated this when he was alive... Jesus states: scriptures are they which testify of Me. John 5:39

Prov 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? The name of God's Son was not revealed until the angel named the child "JESUS" Luke 2:21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. Luke 1:30-31 Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. Ephesians 3:9 ... the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Where is God's Son called the angel of YHWH? ____________________________________________________________________ Matthew 28 indicates that the Angel of the Lord is not Jesus Matthew 28:1-9 Matt 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Matt 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. Matt 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: Matt 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. Matt 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. Matt 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. Matt 28:7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you. Matt 28:8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. Matt 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Mark 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost are one... 1 John 5:7 "'elohiym" 'elohiym is a noun masculine plural - Thayer Genesis 1:26 "God ('elohiym) said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..." "JEHOVAH"... Exodus 6:2-8 Exod 6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: Exod 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Exod 6:4 And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers. Exod 6:5 And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant. Exod 6:6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD (JEHOVAH), and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: Exod 6:7 And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD (JEHOVAH) your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. Exod 6:8 And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD. Exodus 3:13-15 Exod 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? Exod 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Exod 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. - Could the name of God be different for the church (Christ's body)? "Father" Ephesians 5:29-30 Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. - Jesus said: "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name." Matthew 6:9 John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Hebrews 2:11-15 Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Heb 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. Heb 2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. Is Zechariah 14:3-4 speaking of Christ? Zechariah 14:3-4 Zech 14:3 Then shall the LORD (JEHOVAH) go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. Zech 14:4 And his (JEHOVAH's?) feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. Is verse 4 indicating that JEHOVAH has feet? Could the Father be JEHOVAH... and the Father and Jesus are one ? (John 10:30, 1 Timothy 3:16) (Romans 3:29 - God is the God of Jews and Gentiles) Ephesians 2:11-14 Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Ephesians 3:4-6 ...the mystery of Christ Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Zechariah 5:1-9 Zech 5:1 Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll. Zech 5:2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits. Zech 5:3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it. Zech 5:4 I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof. Zech 5:5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth. Zech 5:6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth. Zech 5:7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. Zech 5:8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. Zech 5:9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. Zech 5:10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? Zech 5:11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base. - Is verse 9 referring to female angels