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  1. William, the events in Daniel 11:40 are near the very end of the 7 years. The person will have already become the beast 3 years earlier, because he is claiming to be highest ranking god in a tier of gods in Daniel 11:36-38. The end times in Daniel 11, picks up in the middle of the seven years in Daniel 11:36. So there are a lot of things that have to happen first. I don't think it possible to project today's politics to the great tribulation. What we can project though is todays politics to Gog/Magog. And after Gog/Magog is when the 7 years begin. What I would watch for in today's politics is Russia, Syria, Iran in the middle east. In Europe, Brexit. Which there has to be a change in the EU structure to get to the ten leader form of government with the little horn over them. Then Gog/Magog will follow. Then the seven years begin. Then in the middle of the 7 years, the great tribulation. Then near the end of the 7 years, Daniel 11:40-45. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Egypt, the Romans, Greece, Assyria were the countries involved in antiquity times, being the kings of the north and south. In the end times, it is global forces. The kings of the west, the king of the north, the king of the south, the kings of the east. The kings of the east are not mentioned in the antiquity verses, because those focus on Egypt, Assyria. The willful king in verse 36 is the beast of Revelation. His ten king kingdom is the west. It is the EU. The kings of the East are the Chinese and Asian countries. The king of the south, the leader of the Africa countries. There is some movement in Africa to have a pan-Africa alliance. The king of the north, Russia and allies.
  2. Hi ARGOSY, so if you work backwards in Ezekiel 39, to Ezekiel 38, step by step, from Ezekiel 39:17-20 as being the feast of Revelation 19:17-19 ? The seven years and the seven months, right? [the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years is here*] Then what? The destruction of Gog's army, right? Then what? Israel living in peace, right? [*not here] Well, there is the Trump peace plan being talked about. I for one will be following that. Israel living in peace (maybe because of Trump's peace plan) > Gog/Magog attack > Gog's army destroyed > seven months of burying the dead, and 7 years (confirmation of the covenant for 7 years) > Armageddon > Jesus returned to earth.
  3. I see Ezekiel 39:6-7 as being in contrast to being "Allah" the god of the muslim invaders. The Assyrian is not really clear as to who that is. I tend to think Nimrod, now a disembodied spirit. But it may not be. The Assyrian may be the king of the north in Daniel 11: 40 when the beast is attacked from the north, south, and east. But the Assyrian can't be the Antichrist because Anti in the greek usage means against and instead of - Christ (the King of Israel). Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him. If there is a peace treaty with the muslims, like President Trump is proposing, the timing would before Gog/Magog, not after.
  4. Hi Marilyn, I think you may have misunderstood me. Ezekiel 38, Israel before the Gog/Magog invasion. Ezekiel 39:4 feast on Gog's army. Gog/Magog over, armies destroyed on the mountains of Israel and the open fields (verse 5) Followed by 7 months. The cleanup of the dead ends in Ezekiel 39:16. And there are 7 years following Gog/Magog in the text. [this part is not directly stated in the text.} The 7 years begin by the Jews believing the Antichrist is their messiah. And in the middle of the 7 years he betrays them, claiming to be God. And goes on to become the beast for the remainder of the 7 years. Which at the end of the 7 years, the beast leads the armies of the world to try and make war on Jesus. Which Jesus the day he returns destroys those armies in.... Ezekiel 39:17-20. Armageddon feast of Revelation 19:17-18. Ezekiel 39:21-29, Jesus speaking in the text, having returned. And is recounting the past 2000 years of why the house of Israel went into exile, for having rejecting him as their King of Israel and Savior from the consequence of their sins. In that day when Jesus has returned, Israel, Jews will know that Jesus his true identity as the Lord their God. 22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
  5. The outline of the endtimes, which contain the 7 years of Revelation 6-19, is found in Ezekiel 38-39. Ezekiel 38-39: 1. Israel living in peace. 2. Then Gog/Magog 3. Then 7 months of burying the dead 4. Then the 7 years - which everything in Revelation 6-19 takes place. 5. Then Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20 6. Then Jesus Himself speaking Ezekiel 39:21-29 having returned to earth and recounting the past 2000 years of why the house of Israel was exiled into nations following rejecting Him as their King.
  6. I was born in 1948. Time is running out. 1967 + 70 = 2037. The 7 years, thus, would start at the latest 2030. It looks like a lot sooner. We'll see what President Trump has to say around the feast of tabernacles. That might be the peace setup which Israel is supposed to be in when Gog/Magog attacks. It is not the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years, because that is something that Antichrist will do acting in the role of the perceived messiah, confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant that Moses required in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 - for 7 years - and on the feast of tabernacles. The Antichrist (what talked about as the little horn) in Daniel 7 seeks to change the times and seasons. So it is not a guarantee that he will confirm the covenant with many for 7 years on the feast of tabernacles.
  7. 1. In the text of Revelation, the 42 months (11:2) come before the 1260 days (11:3). By your rule of the presentation order can't be altered - by what right do you claim that the 42 months and the 1260 days run parallel to each other - when in the text they are presented as one following the other? You even swapped it around having the 1260 days beginning 3 1/2 days before the 42 months. 2. Where in Revelation is the person in the role of confirming the covenant with many to start the 70th week? What happens in Revelation in those 1260 days prior to the midpoint?
  8. Of course, and that is why it is 42 months in one verse and 1260 days in the very next verse. I laid it out for you. The presentation order in the text of Revelation which John reported what he saw and was told - is not the sequence of those events as they will take place on a timline, which requires wisdom to understand, which the timeline is the chronological order. The 1260 days, then the 3 1/2 days, then the 42 months (1256.5 days) = the 2520 day seven years. Everything fits within the 7 years.  day 1185 Aod setup day + 1335 days = the 2520 day seven years day 1185 Aod setup day + 1290 days to the sixth seal + 45 days the armies assemble at Armageddon = the 2520 day seven years.
  9. Jesus did not go to the "midpoint" of the week. In the text of Matthew 24, Jesus did not say "midpoint" because that would be a contradiction of Daniel 9:27, which says in the midst of the week, not midpoint. You are the one saying midpoint in order to defend your view that the 1260 days is the second half of the week. The abomination of desolation will be setup to be worshiped on day 1185 of the 7 years. Which is in the midst of the week.
  10. What is proof of is that 1260 days is exactly the first half of the 7 years. While the 42 months and the time, times, half time are ~the second half. ~ is a called a tilde, which in mathematics mean approximately or close to. The 1260 days, then the 3 1/2 days, then the 42 months (1256.5 days) = the 2520 day seven years. Everything fits within the 7 years. day 1185 Aod setup day + 1335 days = the 2520 day seven years day 1185 Aod setup day + 1290 days to the sixth seal + 45 days the armies assemble at Armageddon = the 2520 day seven years.
  11. If you had some young children playing in the street, and you as a parent told them "get out of the middle of the street" - do you intend for them not to stand on the exact surveyed middle of the street? The abomination of desolation will be setup in the midst - middle part of the week. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
  12. The sequence of events: In the role of the King of Israel (but illegitimate), the Antichrist confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle - beginning the 70th week. In the early middle part of the 70th week, he commits the transgression of desolation act of 2Thess2:4 - Day of the Lord begins.* God has him killed for the act - Ezekiel 28:1-10 In disdain for the person, God brings him back alive - Isaiah 14:19-20. Back alive, now in the role of the beast, 8th Julio Claudian King of the Roman Empire - the image is made of him, which is the abomination of desolation. Which when it is placed in the temple to be worshiped triggers the great tribulation * the rapture takes place before the Day of the Lord begins. How far before is not known.
  13. Salty, I don't say the rapture must happen before the 70th week begins. But it may. Or the rapture may be after the 70th weeks begins. Those in Revelation 7 coming out of the great tribulation - will have missed the rapture - but become Christians afterward. Suppose, for example, the rapture were to take place in the second year of the 70th week - that would be before the great tribulation starts; and millions could become Christians before the great tribulation starts, but after the rapture takes place.
  14. The Day of the Lord: Starts in the 7 years Continues into the 1000 year millenium reign Continues past the destruction of the present heaven and earth And lasts for eternity. The Day of the Lord includes the last day of the 7 years, day 2520, which Jesus returns to planet earth; which God concludes His wrath. Which God's wrath (anger) begins in the early middle part of the 7 years, when the Antichrist claims to be God, sitting in the temple. Most of the old testament prophecies regarding the Day of the Lord focus on the beginning years of the Day of the Lord, which the beginning years are basically the great tribulation timeframe. You guys are arguing over what are essentially different segments of the Day of the Lord - but none of you are willing to look outside of your own box.
  15. No, I would not. The two witnesses begin their testimony and prophesy against the Antichrist when he is anointed the King of Israel (illegitimate) and confirms the covenant with many to begin the 7 years. In Revelation, that time is when the rider on the white horse, the Antichrist, is given a crown making him the King of Israel (illegitimate), perceived messiah.
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