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There are only 2 resurrections of a massive group of people remaining in the biblical timeline, the first resurrection at the second coming and the second, after the 1000 years. For the pre-trib doctrine to be true, you would have to have a resurrection pre-trib . Which the Bible is silent about, don't you think something of that importance would have at least 1 verse describing it. ( I guess not, since there isn't a verse describing the pre-trib rapture in it either)

The dead in Christ raise at the second coming, the ones raising to shame 1000 years later. I ask again where is the pre-trib resurrection? Are you going to add a resurrection prior to the one that is described in 1 Thes. 4 and Rev. 20 which are the same second coming? I ask again where is the resurrection that accompanies the pre-trib rapture doctrine?

Now I have a question for you... The Bible teaches of 2 resurrections of a mass group of people yet to be. They are described in Rev.20, the first being at the second coming of Christ, and the second being 1000 years later, where in the Bible is the resurrection that accompanies the pre-trib rapture?

I'll answer the first part, I live by the moto "if the Bible is silent about a subject I am to", that's why I don't believe a word of the pre-trib doctrine, it's not in the Bible. As far as your statement about me supporting replacement theology, I wont even dignify that with a response. I have been on this site for 10 years, you wont find one post I have made that suggests such a thing.

To find out when the rapture is, just look for the next resurrection of a massive group of people spoken about in the Bible. Rev. 20 tells us when it is, the pre-trib doctrine has to add another resurrection that isn't in the Bible to go with their pre-trib rapture that isn't in the Bible either...… it's very dangerous to add or take away from the book of Revelation.

Who on Earth will recognize the A O D

Classic pre-trib doctrine, all opinion and no facts backed up by scripture.

You only see what you want to see.... Why are the saints in need of prayer if they are in heaven? Are you sure the "from one end of heaven to the other" is talking about Gods abode and not the sky? If you say Gods abode, do you believe in soul sleep? If not where are the millions of Christians that have died over the last 2000 years, could those be the ones gathered "from one end of heaven to the other"? I await you answers.

Do you all see what happens when the truth is about to be reveled, the above happens, a post is bombed on every thread in this forum to hide the truth in a bunch of non sense.

So we are supposed to take the word of revelation man as truth and take the words of Gospels with a grain of salt ? Yeah right!!!! Best be careful with speech like that....

The Bible says 2, the first resurrection and 1000 years later the other one. Rev. 20

I look forward to the day when iamlamad says Wow!! I see what you all have been saying all this time. I remember the day I turned from the pre-trib doctrine to the truth of the Word of God. I must wait.

Because that's what it means, that's a fact the per-trib crowd can't except.

One thing I've learned over the years is the pre-trib crowd can "make it up as the go" and have no thought of the damage they do to the word of God.

Paul didn't have the Bible like we do today. I don't think I would be comparing myself to Paul if I were you. I guess we can all assume if God decides to write a couple more chapters of the Revelation you are the man to do it.

I stand by the moto, if the Bible is silent about a topic, we should be also.

That can be said for a lot of what you try to teach on the forum

In other words, you made it up, there is nothing in the Bible that says such a thing.

Where do you both get the sealed book is the Title Deed to Earth from?

Uriah I was with you until you said the 70 weeks are over, I do think 3 1/2 of the weeks are done. I think Jesus put a gap in the 70 weeks for the times of the Gentiles to come to a full. The book of Revelation speaks of 3 1/2 years remaining for sometime in the future to be fulfilled. But I do agree with a lot of what you say on here. I also agree with a lot of what Roy says, I guess I'm somewhere in between you two.

I'm not oo but I view it as the resurrection and new body because the one I have now is about worn out.

Sorry missmuffet but the pre-trib doctrine is only a theory, which many (and I'm included in the many) don't believe a word of it, because it is most defiantly not in the Bible. It is only a hope

The bad thing about having such a network is, eventually the other party will win the election and take control of the network and use it against us.

That's why I can only see 3.5 years spoken about in Rev. not 7 years.

That's the way I see it also.