upnorthfan

Hebrews 4:12 King James Version (KJV) 12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. <<<Removed content that violated ToS>>>

Stunning.

Well I looked high and low for a thread before I started this one. Of course I only looked under Doctinal issues (where it should have been). Why it is under General Discussion I have no idea.

Hi, upnorthfan, The term baptism is commonly referring to the immersion in water. If that is what you mean then no it is not necessary for salvation. The term baptise means to immerse. Into what the object is to be immersed is not inherant in the word. To be saved we must be immersed into Christ though and this is necessary for salvation. LT Hi LT, Nice to meet you. Do you think the act of baptism in and of itself is necessary for Salvation? At what age should one be baptised? What if a little baby isn't baptised, what then?

I would like to discuss this topic and listen to any and everyone's opinions on this matter if you care to share. I personally do not believe it is necssary, and later in the thread I will bring scripture into the dialoge to support my postion. Disclosure: I notice posters like to quickly say when I start a thread (Oh gee, we have already talked about this, or this isn't important to me), to those posters I say great, I have discussed this a 1000 times too, but not here. Also there are always new posters coming into our forum, so just keep those non-contributing remarks to yourselves.

I was at that game.

Good Lord. I truely don't mind getting reprimanded from a Mod from time to time, but I do take exception when others act so much worse and they are neither singled out or reprimanded. When I first heard about Zondervan and Harper Collins, I wasn't offended or get my nose bent out of shape, I went and researched it, and sure enough it was true. I simply went back to my trustee ole KJV. You guys make it out like it's the worst thing in the world if your NIV translation is tainted. But, when is spreading God's Word ever been easy, especially amoug "Christians". I will no longer participate in this thread. There is a nice discussion going on in earth and science. See you there. As the thread starter in this thread I request it be locked. My point has already been made

You don't feel this is a dig toward my belief? "When I read about those who worry about this, I often wonder if they investigate every single purchase they make to ensure that no portion of their money would go to any ungodly purpose? If this is the case, and they do, their house must be sparse and their cupboards empty". It's mocking me plain and simple, yet here you are defending those who constantly attack me. In fact, I have had several barbs thrown my way, I just sit there and take it politely, play nice, smile and continue on as if nothing was said.

Wise words spoken OneLight. Perhapse, those very cupboards even. Designed by someone who we would not agree with about their lifestyle. At times we can become afraid of our own shadow. Lets spend our time in a wise way. Thank you. I think it would be prudent to get our own household in order as well before we start looking outward. I think the Lord would see Wisdom in that But, let's agree to disagree and move on.

When Satan came to Jesus in the wilderness and misquoted scripture, Jesus immediately corrected his error and quoted it correctly. Many God loving Christians are resigned to the fact that because idolitry items are of such a great number, why fight it? That is not what God wants. He wants us to cleanse our homes from all ungodlyness, and the best way to do that is get rid of items demmons have a right to cling to, then walk your property line seven times while praying for God's protective hedge to keep all demonic forces at bay. Has anyone here ever done that? This is more for a topic in a demonolgy thread than it is here. If you ask anyone who was deep into Satanism, and now have come to the Lord, everyone of them will tell you there are a number of household items that give permission for a demon to stay.

Onelight, thank you for setting me straight. No, Satan absolutely cannot bring God's plan of Salvation into someone's life, but he can hinder it, and sometimes altogether he will stop it. So with that line of reasoning, I believe Satan can also choose ( not to fight) for this person or that person at that particular time, especially if the new believer is being deceived by God’s Word, due to publisher bias or errors. Below is II Samuel 21:19. KJV states David killed Goliiath, the NIV states David’s brother Elhanan killed Golliath 2 Samuel 21:19 King James Version (KJV) 19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. 2 Samuel 21:19 New International Version (NIV) 19 In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod. I can see Satan looking at God’s distorted word and say, oh yeah, let that one through. This is certainly just my opinion. This next thought I am about to make however I know to be true. If, when in a battle for someone’s soul, or in a direct fight against Satan such as a “deliverance”, if I or anyone else would go up against Satan and say…”in the name of Jesus, just as God’s Word says Elhanan struck down Golliath, so will your henchmen be truck down here tonight according to God’s will”, I think Satan would laugh me out of the church, and he would every right too. On the other hand if I said to Satan…”in the name of Jesus, just as God’s Words says David struck down Golliath, so will your henchmen be struck down here tonight according to God’s will”, I think Satan would have to snap to attention a little bit more so than the garbled word of the NIV. I just believe the KJV has more power behind it, don’t you? If you disagree with that, that's ok too

Excellent post, thank you.

I am sorry I called you sir, I see you have female listed as your gender. *** removed personal attack ***

It's in my favorites and I have used it as recent as early this mourning:)

Nice response, and much appreciated. I truely do not care if you or anyone else buys any book from whatever publisher publishes said book. I do think however, that people need to be inforned before they do make said decision. It is not my intention to "corner" anyone into an all or a nothing situation (my apologies if I did), nor am I here to judge anyone, but I do feel the need to point this out. Some have been saved by being witnessed to using the NIV, as one poster pointer out. I submit however, that Satan does appear as an angel of light, and one of his many nicknames is the deciever. He may allow one or 2 or however many people to be saved, knowing up ahead it will pay Him dividends later on. People often tell me they are white witches, and in their mind they think of themselves as godly because they think only "black" witches are the bad guys. My belief is both sources are from Satan, white and black magic alike, making them both equally inspired by Satan. Rather they are protected by Brahman or Sheba or whomever, they all bow to Natas. This is what I do know...if whomever is going to go into battle doing spiritual warfare, you pretty much have to walk a fine line. One such fine line is the accuracey of God's Holy Word. Without it, Satan will laugh you, me and anyone else out of the building.