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  1. Rev. 18:4 "come out of her my people." So Jesus has some people that are in the Harlot City the Beast is part of it with the 10 kings. He calls them to flee from it. Its like the telling in Matthew 24 Jesus tells them to flee Jerusalem. There has to be a church during that time for them to go into for safety. The church is never finished until that last person get saved. Then there is no need for the church function to save people. Ministers will lose their job.
  2. Well it is for sure, when the book of Revelations was written, parts of it was present to the churches. Warning was given to them and showing what was going to happened to the church in the future. Most generally all of is future to them. It seem, that the church in Revelation is in the beginning of the book and throughout to the end of Revelation 22. It seem to tell the condition of the church throughout the history of it to us and the future. Its telling about the falling away to the restoration and its power to convert the world and the destruction of the ungodly world. Jesus is the head of this work on Earth, he will later turn it over to his God the Father. So Jesus uses his tools that is the church to save people until all is done. Just because some goes to heaven does not mean he done here. There will be some people get saved during the Millenium . Will the ungodly exist during that time 1,000 years long ? It tell of a Gog and Magog in Rev.20 at the closing of the Millenium. So there needs to be a church still working to save more people. What is it on Earth is the doorway to salvation ? Jesus's church
  3. Is it a plan or is it predicted ?
  4. Is everything in Revelation God's plans that is going to be carried out for his purposes with mankind ? Another word he causes these events to happen. or Is it that the future is revealed what is going to take place, everything is seen through a crystal ball ?
  5. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The question here is, is it natural or spiritual. Did someone cut their heads off or did they cut their own heads off ? Jesus did say "whosoever will lose his life for my sake the same shall save it."
  6. Does Revelation 4,5 and 7 and 21, 22 showing the same group ? Seem to be the same throne setting and praises - when all is done.
  7. So the "here after" is a about 1,900 years separation from the letters to the seven churches until Rev.4 starts ??? That nothing in Revelation reveals anything during the last 1,900 years . Is there anybody that see it differently ?
  8. Rev.21 the city the bride, not in plural. Called a her in Rev.19 So there is not just one person being the bride, but many. A city The Beast may be called a he, but represent many also. There was seven different headship. Rev. 17 ten kings = different nation. Ten kings destroy the Harlot City = The Beast of many turned on each other. My thoughts on this.
  9. A little confusing. Who is blowing the trumpet messages? Someone is preaching to someone. A warning what will happened by the vials if they don't repent and get converted. Isn't that the purpose. If they refuse then the vials is given.
  10. I think the salvation plan stays until the end of the millennium. There is still unsaved people down thru the millennium . Satan goes and gather the unsaved people together at the end. They would have to hear the gospel from someone. Some get converted and some don't. Like today. I do think there is a purpose for the bride members to be ruling with Jesus. And that there is another work in gathering more people into his kingdom in the earth.
  11. Well it says they were. So what is the symbolic of it ? How do you know John was resurrected, I don't think Rome killed him, Herod had that done. I don't read that anybody was resurrected with Jesus
  12. So then there is a church during that time ?
  13. If i get this right - there is still the salvation plan offered to people after the catching away saints. Of course they would be saved in the name of Jesus. Who would they hear it from ?
  14. Do they go together side by side ? First the trumpet message then the vial.
  15. I seem to have read that some believe that everything after the 5th chapter is all future. They use the 5th chapter when all who made it into heaven. It also mention about a gathering in Rev.7 and Rev.21,22 . So is every chapters after the 5th chapter really all all future ? Nothing pertaining to the past or present day ? Is everything in consecutive order or does it jump around from different events of things going to happen as being told to John. Some think if i remember correctly that there is no church after the 5th chapter ? but yet people will still get saved .
  16. So is Rev 12 a history lesson ? or is it all scrambled up in history present future ? When John wrote it.
  17. Giving has been around before Mosiac laws and during. It has been that way in the NT church. If the NT is better then the old law, then maybe we ought to give better. Not like 5 percent less.
  18. Can the Trumpets and vials be used as rod of iron for correction and punishment for the refusal ?
  19. Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Looks like Jesus is not alone on this rod of iron.
  20. they are all going to be dead, once its completed, no need of the destruction anymore. Then there will be no more death Rev 20
  21. Bible_Gazer

    70 AD

    Forty years I assume was chosen for judgement. That is from the time of Jesus's death. Israel forty years in the wilderness, it seem to been a time of converting, testing and proving, of course most of them didn't trust God for his protection to cross over, So they where punished forty years. Some died and didn't cross over. Again most of Israel didn't put faith in Jesus. Forty years of converting, testing and proving Israel. Some crossed over into the new faith. Just seem to be a dispensational time slot for judgement. you will find a lot of forties in the bible
  22. I don't think people are born with their parent sin nature. People create their own sin nature, everybody don't have the same working of sin. Not everybody is a killer or a fornicator.
  23. It was, as I understand it. They baptized infant because they are born with a sin nature, so they needed to be saved. Originated from the RCC.
  24. Did these saints that could not be numbered come after the 144,000 Jews are sealed ? If so When would the 144,000 be sealed and start doing their works in saving some more people into the kingdom of God ? ? Assuming that these 144000 Jews are the ministry of God, preaching to these people to come out of her. What tribulation wrath will be used during the next 1,000 years ?
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