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Rev. 18:4 "come out of her my people."

So Jesus has some people that are in the Harlot City the Beast is part of it with the 10 kings. He calls them to flee from it.

Its like the telling in Matthew 24 Jesus tells them to flee Jerusalem.

There has to be a church during that time for them to go into for safety.

The church is never finished until that last person get saved. Then there is no need for the church function to save people. Ministers will lose their job.

Well it is for sure, when the book of Revelations was written, parts of it was present to the churches. Warning was given to them and showing what was going to happened to the church in the future. Most generally all of is future to them.

It seem, that the church in Revelation is in the beginning of the book and throughout to the end of Revelation 22.

It seem to tell the condition of the church throughout the history of it to us and the future. Its telling about the falling away to the restoration and its power to convert the world and the destruction of the ungodly world.

Jesus is the head of this work on Earth, he will later turn it over to his God the Father. So Jesus uses his tools that is the church to save people until all is done. Just because some goes to heaven does not mean he done here. There will be some people get saved  during the Millenium . Will the ungodly exist during that time 1,000 years long ?  It tell of a Gog and Magog in Rev.20 at the closing of the Millenium. So there needs to be a church still working to save more people.

What is it on Earth  is the doorway to salvation ?  Jesus's church

On 3/8/2023 at 3:48 AM, truth7t7 said:

The Revelation gives a detailed description of what is going to take place in the future, do you have the Spirit of God to decipher it?

John 14:26KJV

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Is it a plan or is it predicted ?

Is everything in Revelation God's plans that  is going to be carried out for his purposes with mankind ? Another word he causes these events to happen.

or

Is it that the future is revealed what is going to take place, everything is seen through a crystal ball ?

Rev 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The question here is, is it natural or spiritual. 

Did someone cut their heads off or did they cut their own heads off ?

Jesus did say "whosoever will lose his life for my sake the same shall save it."

Does Revelation 4,5 and 7 and 21, 22 showing the same group ? 

Seem to be the same throne setting and praises - when all is done.

So the "here after" is a about 1,900 years separation from the letters to the seven churches until Rev.4 starts ???

That nothing in Revelation reveals anything during the last 1,900 years .

Is there anybody that see it differently ? 

Rev.21  the city the bride, not in plural. Called a her in Rev.19 

So there is not just one person being the bride, but many. A city

The Beast may be called a he, but represent many also.

There was seven different headship. Rev. 17 ten kings = different nation.

Ten kings destroy the Harlot City = The Beast of many turned on each other.

My thoughts on this.

42 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

No, they are sequential judgments: seals the judgment of the elect, trumpets of Israel, and bowls of the nations.

 

A little confusing.

Who is blowing the trumpet messages? Someone is preaching to someone. A warning what will happened by the vials if they don't repent and get converted. Isn't that the purpose. If they refuse then the vials is given.

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

If I journey to mars and found a dress, and tore off the sleeve and left it on mars while taking the rest of the dress home there would be a Remnant of the dress left o mars right? I see Rev. 12:17 as being the Remnant [Church] being spoken about, after the Rapture. After years of supposing this "Remnant" had to be Jews I understand by simple math and by simple deduction, it could not be a Jewish Remnant. (by the way, this also proves a Pre Trib Rapture).

So, the Woman fled in Rev. 12 and Satan was angry he could not get at her right? Then he turned to go after the Remnant of "Her Seed" (Gal. 3:16 says her SEED is Jesus alone, not many but ONE SEED) and so the 1/3 (Zech. 13:8-9) who repent (The Woman) can nit be the Remnant Satan turns to go after because she was the ones he turned from in anger, right? That is just common sense. So, that leaves the 2/3 of the Jews who refuse to repent, but we have a mathematical problem here, 2/3 can not be a Remnant, and in Rev. 12:17 it says these Remnant  keep the commandments of God AND have the Testimony of Jesus so the Remnant can't be the 2/3 either right? So, if if can't be the 1/3 nor the 2/3 then the Remnant can't be a Jewish Remnant can it? El Correcto !! Problem solved via deduction. So, who does that leave? Gentiles !! Eureka !! I mean that's an easy problem really.

So, the [Gentile] Church who get saved after the Rapture are indeed a Remnant because the rest of the Church is in Heaven with Jesus, this is still Jesus' body on this earth, but the mission has changed,. the Angel in Rev. 14:6 has taken over the preaching of the Gospel unto the whole world, the Remnant Church will need to be very good at hiding, and even at dodging God's Wrath, because an earthquake or tsunami is not going to dodge Christians, they will also have to hide from  the wicked men on this earth, so whereas our ministry was to Evangelize the whole world, theirs is to keep the Faith until the end [of their lives].

So, yes the Church is still on earth, but its a Gentile Church. REMEMBER, the 144,000 have the Fathers name in their heads, they are already Married unto God, only those Jews who came to Jesus after his death and before the Rapture will be a part of the Bride of Christ, but why? Different Callings Israel has to be a part of the Kingdom Age. We the Church are nit a part of that unless we are Martyrs during the 70th week, then we stay on this earth via Glorious bodies to help Jesus for 1000 years as Rev, 20:4 says.

As per the 144,000 I think they are the Women who flees Judea, its just another coded name. I would say 90 percent of Christians just believe they will preach the gospel, as I did for 30 plus years, but it never says that in the bible. The biggest mistake most make is they see the Seals as Judgments instead of Jesus OPENING up the Book of Judgments. 

God Bless

I think the salvation plan stays until the end of the millennium. There is still unsaved people down thru the millennium . Satan goes and gather the unsaved people together at the end. They would have to hear the gospel from someone. Some get converted and some don't.  Like today.

I do think there is a purpose for the bride members to be ruling with Jesus. And that there is another work in gathering more people into his kingdom in the earth. 

13 hours ago, abcdef said:

Name one saint, that is shown in the Bible that was beheaded for the Word of God?

John the Baptist.

He was resurrected with Jesus in 33 AD. He lives and reigns now.

He was killed by Rome, the beast nation of Dan 7.

 

Well it says they were.

So what is the symbolic of it ?

How do you know John was resurrected, I don't think Rome killed him, Herod had that done. 

I don't read that anybody was resurrected with Jesus

7 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

If I understand correctly, a great harvest will occur during the Tribulation. The Two Witnesses will preach the Kingdom of God to Israel for the first 3-1/2 years. Twelve thousand from each tribe of Israel (144,000) will preach the Kingdom of God globally. In addition, a flying angel will also be preaching the kingdom globally.

So then there is a church during that time ?

Is the beheaded saints literal ?

3 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I will do my best to stick precisely to your questions, trying not to wander off. There are more opinions and exegesis on the book of Revelation than any other book in the Bible, and I do not claim to have the correct view, nor am I dogmatic with my thoughts.

I agree with Revelation Man about chapters 1-3. The church is mentioned 19 times in those three chapters, then suddenly, beginning in Chapter four, the church is not mentioned again until the book's end. Chapter four starts the future in John's Day; something happened and changed. John is in heaven, and there is the sudden appearance of the 24 Elders, which is not part of the inquiry.

Parenthetical chapters are inserted into Revelation, giving additional past and yet-to-come information. If those chapters are removed, I believe the book is written chronologically. If you want to know about those chapters, let me know.

At the harpazo, the church age (age of Grace) ends. Meaning those not Raptured will enter the seven-year Tribulation period. The Restrainer who restrains evil will be removed (do Christians have the Holy Spirit indwelling them. Is the church, through the Holy Spirit, restraining evil today).

Yes, the Holy Spirit will still be active in the Tribulation, convicting many. Probably more souls will be saved during this period than at any other time throughout history. However, they missed the Grace offered by God to be kept from the Day of the Lord. Those saved during the Tribulation must remain faithful until the end and most likely will be martyred for their faith.

Revelation chapter seven would take some detailed explanation.

If i get this right - there is still the salvation plan offered to people after the catching away saints. Of course they would be saved in the name of Jesus. Who would they hear it from ?

18 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Everything from 4:1 onward tells of future events.

The seals, trumpets, and bowls accounts are in order, but other sections skip about, in order to describe some of the things that will go on during these times.

Do they go together side by side ?  First the trumpet message then the vial.

I seem to have read that some believe that everything after the 5th chapter is all future.

They use the 5th chapter when all who made it into heaven.  

It also mention about a gathering in Rev.7 and Rev.21,22 .

So is every chapters after the 5th chapter really all   all future ?  Nothing pertaining to the past or present day ?

Is everything in consecutive order or does it jump around from different events of things going to happen as being told to John.

Some think if i remember correctly that there is no church after the 5th chapter ? but yet people will still get saved .

So is Rev 12 a history lesson ? or is it all scrambled up in history present future ?  When John wrote it.

Giving has been around before Mosiac laws and during. It has been that way in the NT church.

If the NT is better then the old law, then maybe we ought to give better. Not like 5 percent less. 

Can the Trumpets and vials be used as rod of iron for correction and punishment for the refusal ?

Rev 2:26  And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 
Rev 2:27  And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 

Rev 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Looks like Jesus is not alone on this rod of iron.

they are all going to be dead, once its completed, no need of the destruction anymore.

Then there will be no more death Rev 20 

Forty years I assume was chosen for judgement. That is from the time of Jesus's death.

Israel forty years in the wilderness, it seem to been a time of converting, testing and proving, of course most of them didn't trust God for his protection to cross over, So they where punished forty years. Some died and didn't cross over.

Again most of Israel didn't put faith in Jesus. Forty years of converting, testing and proving Israel. Some crossed over into the new faith.

Just seem to be a dispensational time slot for judgement.

you will find a lot of forties in the bible

I don't think people are born with  their parent sin nature.

People create their own sin nature, everybody don't have the same working of sin. Not everybody is a killer or a fornicator.

It was, as I understand it.

They baptized infant because they are born with a sin nature, so they needed to be saved.

Originated from the RCC.

Did these saints that could not be numbered come after the 144,000 Jews are sealed ? 

If so

When would the 144,000 be sealed and start doing their works in saving some more people into the kingdom of God ?

? Assuming that these 144000 Jews are the ministry of God, preaching to these people to come out of her.

What tribulation wrath will be used during the next 1,000 years ?