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There is no one human being who is holy. The only One who was perfect (holy) was and is Jesus Christ. Salvation isn't dependent on our holiness as human beings but on God's grace in giving us the faith to believe. You bring a dangerous, false Gospel friend. Right. So underlined in both these quotes of what you've said you are a self-proclaimed prophet of God? I don't think so. The Holy Spirit living in me rejects your teachings. Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. Eph. 5:11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. 2 Cor. 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. Your words in this thread bring bondage and not freedom friend. Nobody can obtain perfection this side of Christ's Second return. God bless you. Praying for God to open your eyes, GE Bondage is realative to the context. I offer Christ's true gospel that can free a person of all sinful bondage - if that is what you desire, then I can help you be "set free indeed", but if you think God's Truth brings bondage, because your goal is to get to heaven instead of being holy and free of sin, then I can totally understand how God's Truth is offensive to you. God's Truth convicts people to change into a Christ-like being, but if this is not someone's goal, than the gospel of Christ is not the good news, but a chain around their necks. By the way my eyes are very open and I am walking in God's light where I no longer stumble and sin against God. The only ones that still are in the dark are the ones that are still stumbling and falling, because their eyes are not open to God's Truth, but walking in the darkness of lies. Gods truth, brought by the Holy Spirit, changes a person. It is the Holy Spirits job to convict, teach, etc. Be careful you are not trying to do the job of the Holy Spirit as no person can do what the Holy Spirit sent by God was sent to do. You are correct that only the Holy are saved, but all who believe on Jesus completed work are already holy, and those who do not believe on Jesus do not need you to make them holy, they need you to share the message of salvation. The message of salvation is not a message of being holy but that Jesus died for sin, was buried and rose again. A person that is filled with the Holy Spirit will also do the Holy Spirit's work by bringing to light God's Truth. When people believe in God's Truth, then that Truth will set them free. I am always careful about what I share as Truth and it is always backed up by God's Word, even though God's Word doesn't convince a person to be holy if they don't desire to be holy. A un-holy person will almost always believe their own reasoning above God's Word, which makes God's Word worthless and without value to them, so the results of believing God's Truth (to be free of all sin/unrighteousness) never materializes because of their lack of belief/faith in God Truth. "Without holiness, no one will see the Lord" - this is from the Holy Spirit. The un-holy will say they are covered by Christ's holiness, but instead a person must be filled with Christ's holiness to be holy. But will the selfish and sinful people believe this - NO - their first goal is to escape hell and being holy is an optional condition to the selfish.

Gods truth, brought by the Holy Spirit, changes a person. It is the Holy Spirits job to convict, teach, etc. Be careful you are not trying to do the job of the Holy Spirit as no person can do what the Holy Spirit sent by God was sent to do. You are correct that only the Holy are saved, but all who believe on Jesus completed work are already holy, and those who do not believe on Jesus do not need you to make them holy, they need you to share the message of salvation. The message of salvation is not a message of being holy but that Jesus died for sin, was buried and rose again. Exactly Qnts2 The message of Christ is about our need for God's grace as we cannot save ourselves but must rely on a perfect Savior. God bless, GE Have it your way. I will leave you alone to your own concept of truth. You should probably keep on believing what you think truth is, otherwise you couldn't stay confortable when you end up still sinning in your holiness. Thanks for debating for awhile anyway.

There is no one human being who is holy. The only One who was perfect (holy) was and is Jesus Christ. Salvation isn't dependent on our holiness as human beings but on God's grace in giving us the faith to believe. You bring a dangerous, false Gospel friend. Right. So underlined in both these quotes of what you've said you are a self-proclaimed prophet of God? I don't think so. The Holy Spirit living in me rejects your teachings. Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. Eph. 5:11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. 2 Cor. 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. Your words in this thread bring bondage and not freedom friend. Nobody can obtain perfection this side of Christ's Second return. God bless you. Praying for God to open your eyes, GE Bondage is realative to the context. I offer Christ's true gospel that can free a person of all sinful bondage - if that is what you desire, then I can help you be "set free indeed", but if you think God's Truth brings bondage, because your goal is to get to heaven instead of being holy and free of sin, then I can totally understand how God's Truth is offensive to you. God's Truth convicts people to change into a Christ-like being, but if this is not someone's goal, than the gospel of Christ is not the good news, but a chain around their necks. By the way my eyes are very open and I am walking in God's light where I no longer stumble and sin against God. The only ones that still are in the dark are the ones that are still stumbling and falling, because their eyes are not open to God's Truth, but walking in the darkness of lies.

Points of agreement: 1) salvation is a process; with past, present & future aspects, 2) salvation is evidenced by (not caused by) works as one continues the personal sanctification process. Point of disagreement: The sanctification process results in one becoming sinless in one's lifetime. The notion that one no longer sins contradicts 1 Jn 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." Also your claim that God's Word says anyone that sins is of the devil and not of God is not quite accurate as to you are referencing 1 John 1:8. "the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning." The word "practices" or "doing" is translated from the Greek word poion. ποιῶν / poion is a present active participle. It means one that consistently sins and is still currently doing so. It is a prolonged or ongoing sense of something that is being done. In other words: a person who habitually sins. Therefore your assertion that anyone who commits one-time, occasional sins is of the devil is not accurate as the verse refers to willful habitual sin. OKAY, HAVE IT YOUR WAY. So when someone shows your view to be errant from a Biblical perspective you simply leave the discussion? Interesting. I am called to help people have a deeper and truer faith in God, but only for the ones that desire a deeper, truer, and holier faith in God. If anyone desires to stay and believe things that keep them comfortable in their sinful lifestyle, then I should not try to change their mind - like I could do that anyway.

A person doesn’t need to be smart to have the heart of God – even though it is wise to attain the heart of God. Nowhere in God’s Word does it indicate that the sons or children of God are the ones that are smart or have a great knowledge, but His children are the ones that have the same Spirit and nature of God, which is pure love. Knowledge, wisdom, or prophecy can be a gift of God to some of His children for the work of His kingdom, but any godly gifts without the heart of God are worthless and powerless for His kingdom. We are called to know God, but this doesn’t mean for us to have knowledge about God, but to be One in Spirit with Him. To know God or to be One in Spirit with Him is to have the same heart and Spirit as God, which is pure love, which is God’s Truth in action. 1 Cor 8:1-3 - Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. But the man who loves God is known by God. NIV Watch out for the ones that have not the love of God, but claim they have the knowledge of God. 1 Tim 1:5-7 - The goal of this command is love , which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. NIV God says we will know whose child a person is by their love. To love others like God has loved us is right, but the ones that loves themselves and not others are not right and still of the devil. 1 John 3:10 - This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother. NIV 1 John 4:7-9 - Dear friends, let us love one another, for LOVE COMES FROM GOD. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love DOES NOT KNOW God, because God is love. NIV When a person is living by the pure love of God, which is by God’s Holy Spirit, then they will be living the Truth of God and fulfilling the whole law of God. 1 Cor 16:14 - Do everything in love. NIV Rom 13:10 - Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. NIV Through Christ and having faith in Him, which is Truth, we can be fully filled with this pure love of God. The power to overcome all evil in us and around us is the power of God’s love, which He wants to impart into us. Eph 3:17-19 - And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love , may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge — that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. NIV To truly have the knowledge of God or know God, a person must be filled with the love of God first, because God is pure Love, and God’s Love is pure Truth. Anyone that is living by God pure love - will be fulfilling God’s Truth as well – even though they might not be able to comprehend and explain God’s Truth with their mouths. A person continuously living by the power of God’s pure love will show the world God’s Truth (Christ), even though they might not be given the gift of prophecy to proclaim God’s Truth with words. Heb 10:24 - And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. NIV

Points of agreement: 1) salvation is a process; with past, present & future aspects, 2) salvation is evidenced by (not caused by) works as one continues the personal sanctification process. Point of disagreement: The sanctification process results in one becoming sinless in one's lifetime. The notion that one no longer sins contradicts 1 Jn 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." Also your claim that God's Word says anyone that sins is of the devil and not of God is not quite accurate as to you are referencing 1 John 1:8. "the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning." The word "practices" or "doing" is translated from the Greek word poion. ποιῶν / poion is a present active participle. It means one that consistently sins and is still currently doing so. It is a prolonged or ongoing sense of something that is being done. In other words: a person who habitually sins. Therefore your assertion that anyone who commits one-time, occasional sins is of the devil is not accurate as the verse refers to willful habitual sin. OKAY, HAVE IT YOUR WAY.

I am curious. By your statement, you sound like you belong to the holiness movement. Which holiness movement and church do you belong to? I don't really fit fully into any denomination or movement of today, but the Wesleyan and Nazarene doctrines come the closest to the Truth God has given me. Even the Wesleyans and Nazarenes have left the holiness movement and their own doctrinal beliefs. Even though I don't match these holiness doctrines exactly, God is using me to try to bring these churches back to holiness again.

No, it took me 25 years to let God perfect me into a son of God. Then in the last 6-7 years Christ has perfected me even more like Him. - Glory to glory. It seems scripture speaks against being perfect while still being in this life. Paul spoke one particular time about the difference in 1 Corinthians 13:12 "For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known." It is possible to assume certain scripture is telling us that we cannot sin once we are born again, but that does go against scripture, for there are far more verses in scripture that instructs us to continue the good fight, to win the race, to carry our cross daily ... all this inferring that we do have the ability to sin when born again. There is nowhere in scripture that tells us that the old man is dead in us, just that our following the sin nature is no longer the reigning factor. We have been shown a better way. Christ's yoke is light - for all the things Christ calls me to do is what I desire to do, which makes it easy. When a person has the nature/Spirit of Christ, they will naturally do the things of Christ. You don't understand what I am saying. I am not questioning God, but man. For you to never sin is impossible while still living in this flesh. IF you were sinless, you would not be alive. You see, if being born again was the end all, there would be nothing more for God to instruct us in after the process of being born again was complete. This is where you are very, very wrong. Christ came to overcome and clense all sin out of us through the work of His Grace and Holy Spirit. I do live without committing any willful sins anymore. This is the power of Christ living in me. I am very much alive and righteous in Christ, because it is ALL Christ living in me. Come to Christ and believe and be free from sin as Christ has promised - Free Indeed. If you will not have faith in what Christ has come to do in you, which is to cleanse you of ALL sin, then you will never be cleansed of ALL sin, because of your lack of faith in Christ and His promises. There is much more to do for the Lord and more power to do it all after being born of God then before being born of God. You probably just won't know about these things until you experience it for your self. I have no problem with Christ dying for our sin, nor do I have any problem with Him working in me to make me like Christ, nor do I have any problem with leaning on Him in time of need. What I have a problem with is your teaching that one can be sinless in this world, meaning that if they are not sinless, they are not His, for God cannot allow sin into His presence. That is a false teaching and have caused many to feel like they are lost forever, even if they truly believe in Christ and His salvation ... all become someone told them that if they truly was His, they would never sin. If anyone knows the weakness of us it is God Himself. He knows that even with His Spirit in us, we still become weak at times. Then you must have a problem believing God's Word, because God's Word says anyone that sins is of the devil and not of God. When a person has been totally transformed into Christ's likeness and they no longer sin against God, then they are the sons of God, but if anyone is still in bondage to sin, they are still of the devil's nature. You can believe what you desire to believe, unless you decide to believe God's Word over your own selfish opinions and reasoning. God has given everyone the choice of what they will believe. Most people's beliefs will not be of God's Truth by choice, but there will always be a few that will desire and gravitate to God for His Truth to be real in their lives. You fail to see this is a life long process, which is why you continue to be blinded to the truth. While in this life, you will never uphold the righteousness of God. This is impossible. The completion is when we are finally with Christ after death. Yes, I fail to see your concept of a never ending process of being a sinner. Scripture supports a process that results in complete sanctification from sin - for Christ will "CLEANSE US FROM ALL UN-RIGHTEOUSNESS". Do you think God's promises are fake or lies? If we are cleansed from ALL unrighteousness, then there is no sin in us any longer. I also fail to see your process of never ending sin, because I have finished that process and I am done with sin. Just because you are still in sin, probably because that is your beliefs, it doesn't mean everyone else stays a sinner like you claim. If what you presented was true, then nobody would be saved for we all sin. Again, you take the intention of scripture, for one to have a goal of being like Christ, and make it a law. The whole of John's teaching is very dangerous in the hands of the self righteous who think of themselves more than they ought to. Romans 12:3 "For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith." I have been given a measure of faith to free me from all my sin, where is your faith or lack of faith. Christ did this in me and it was not of my self, other than desiring and believing in God's grace and promises. God's Word says there will only be the few. I think you better decide if you are going to be amoung the few - it is your choice. Jesus prayed for all who would believe in Him through the teachings of the Apostles in John 17:20-23 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me." Yes, I am one in Christ. Christ is in me and I am in Christ. If I am one with Christ, how do you think I could ever sin against this oneness in Christ again? Jesus said "may be" 4 times. He did not say must be or will be, but may be, which is a goal to seek. Then there is also the word "perfect". I gave you the the definitions before about the word itself, now let's look at the phrase "made perfect" that is found in the scripture above. We are called to be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect - this is possible by having a full faith in Christ. We are called to go on to perfection - this is possible by having a full faith in Christ. If your desire to stay a sinner, then that is fine, but you will not bring down the sons of God that are Christ-like to your level, just because you don't believe it possible. The only ones that you are hurting by your lack of faith is you and anyone else that you proclaim and get to believe in your sinners theology. That is your choice and their choice of what they will believe or not believe, but quit tearing down others to be sinners, just to make you comfortable in your sins and theology. τελειόω G5048 teleioō 1) to make perfect, complete ... a) to carry through completely, to accomplish, finish, bring to an end Yes, Christ has brought my sanctification to a completion in Him and He will for any others that will have the faith for this also. 2) to complete (perfect) ... a) add what is yet wanting in order to render a thing full ... b) to be found perfect 3) to bring to the end (goal) proposed 4) to accomplish ... a) bring to a close or fulfilment by event ...... 1) of the prophecies of the scriptures Thru Christ anything is possible, but evidently not for you or others that lack faith in God. God's love has perfected me and this has been accomplished in the grace of God. Rev 2:7 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes , I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God. NIV I am now eating from the tree of life, which fills me and overflows goodness every day of my life. Rev 21:7-8 - He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8 But the cowardly, THE UNBELIEVING , the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars — their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." NIV Since I have overcome the world of sin through and in Christ, I have inherited God's kingdom and I am called His Son. You are taking a concept, a goal, and making it a law as I mentioned before. You have been shown that this is wrong by many members, yet you do not seem to even want to discuss, but debate. Why is that? Heb 12:14 - Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. NIV This is right from God's Word - a person needs to be holy, otherwise they will never see the Lord. I am trying to have you be saved onto eternity for God's glory and for your own good by believing in God's Truth and leave the lies of the devil behind. Please listen, your eternity depends on it. God is sending you a message. Please don't reject it, but come to believe in Christ and His full salvation before it is to late.

Works don't earn you salvation, nor can one buy it through some kind of self-measured "holiness." If you claim to be "holy," which you obviously think your are, or you would not be preaching this kind of flawed salvation doctrine, then where are you deriving your litmus test for being holy? Because no person achieves total holiness this side of life. You are not sinless, nor are you free of willful sin, or you would not be purposely and consciously teaching something which the Bible very clearly displays as being false. If you were not "holy" according to your own way of thinking, would you still be pushing this doctrine so enthusiastically? Because I notice that people who claim to be part of this really exclusive holiness club are members of it who seem to think they have "arrived." I don't ever see anyone preaching this stuff that isn't "holy" or feels like they won't reach that "holy" plateau, wherever, or whatever it is. We receive and grow in salvation by faith, but if the faith doesn't have any secondary works to accompany that faith, then that faith is a dead faith. If we say we believe something, but by our actions say otherwise, then we are telling God and the rest of the world that we don't really believe what we are saying we believe. Sanctification is an on-going and life-long process. Salvation is not. A person is saved, positionally, the moment they accept Jesus as their Savior, not after they have lived their lives according to some standard of holiness that is measured arbitrarily by human beings. The thief on the cross did not have a lifetime to achieve this holiness you are pushing, and he was still saved. The disciples had not lived their lives yet, and they still had sins ahead of them, some of them very willful sins, and Jesus always spoke to all of them, except Judas, as if they were already saved, positionally. And He spoke to them that way because of their faith, not some false self-proclaimed level of holiness. No one who labels themselves as 'holy", or goes around telling people they have to be "holy" too is actually holy. If they were, it would be self-evident, and they wouldn't have to advertise it. Salavation is an on-going process and is tied to our santification in Christ. We must first be initially sanctified at justification, then we must continue our salvation by continuing in our sanctification until we become entirely sanctified in Christ - where only Christ lives in us and all our old selfish nature is dead and gone. 2 Cor 5:17 - Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation ; the old has gone, the new has come! NIV The new creation can not fully come until the old creature (selfishness) is gone. We must go through a sanctification process to rid ourselves of this sinful nature through the power of God's grace. Care to elaborate what these "modern" bibles are? If you are going to level charges, you really should go ahead and say exactly which ones they are. Although it wouldn't be hard to guess. The Bible, no matter what the translation, unless it is re-written for a specific purpose, is not "light" on sin. People and certain preachers are light on sin, and that is not the same thing. Even so, not one of us is sinless, including you. The differences between the newer and the older versions are about 5% and are mostly found through out the New Testament portion. They all have to do with the holiness or lack of holiness that interpreters have believed and now have written into the scriptures - which are different from the original writtings and intent of the scripture. They have added and removed words in very important holiness passages, or what should of stayed holiness passages.

No, it took me 25 years to let God perfect me into a son of God. Then in the last 6-7 years Christ has perfected me even more like Him. - Glory to glory. It seems scripture speaks against being perfect while still being in this life. Paul spoke one particular time about the difference in 1 Corinthians 13:12 "For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known." It is possible to assume certain scripture is telling us that we cannot sin once we are born again, but that does go against scripture, for there are far more verses in scripture that instructs us to continue the good fight, to win the race, to carry our cross daily ... all this inferring that we do have the ability to sin when born again. There is nowhere in scripture that tells us that the old man is dead in us, just that our following the sin nature is no longer the reigning factor. We have been shown a better way. Christ's yoke is light - for all the things Christ calls me to do is what I desire to do, which makes it easy. When a person has the nature/Spirit of Christ, they will naturally do the things of Christ. You don't understand what I am saying. I am not questioning God, but man. For you to never sin is impossible while still living in this flesh. IF you were sinless, you would not be alive. You see, if being born again was the end all, there would be nothing more for God to instruct us in after the process of being born again was complete. This is where you are very, very wrong. Christ came to overcome and clense all sin out of us through the work of His Grace and Holy Spirit. I do live without committing any willful sins anymore. This is the power of Christ living in me. I am very much alive and righteous in Christ, because it is ALL Christ living in me. Come to Christ and believe and be free from sin as Christ has promised - Free Indeed. If you will not have faith in what Christ has come to do in you, which is to cleanse you of ALL sin, then you will never be cleansed of ALL sin, because of your lack of faith in Christ and His promises. There is much more to do for the Lord and more power to do it all after being born of God then before being born of God. You probably just won't know about these things until you experience it for your self. I have no problem with Christ dying for our sin, nor do I have any problem with Him working in me to make me like Christ, nor do I have any problem with leaning on Him in time of need. What I have a problem with is your teaching that one can be sinless in this world, meaning that if they are not sinless, they are not His, for God cannot allow sin into His presence. That is a false teaching and have caused many to feel like they are lost forever, even if they truly believe in Christ and His salvation ... all become someone told them that if they truly was His, they would never sin. If anyone knows the weakness of us it is God Himself. He knows that even with His Spirit in us, we still become weak at times. Then you must have a problem believing God's Word, because God's Word says anyone that sins is of the devil and not of God. When a person has been totally transformed into Christ's likeness and they no longer sin against God, then they are the sons of God, but if anyone is still in bondage to sin, they are still of the devil's nature. You can believe what you desire to believe, unless you decide to believe God's Word over your own selfish opinions and reasoning. God has given everyone the choice of what they will believe. Most people's beliefs will not be of God's Truth by choice, but there will always be a few that will desire and gravitate to God for His Truth to be real in their lives.

The newer versions (after 1950) have lightened up and corrupted God's Word. The word "Practice" is not in the older NT versions of God's Scriptures. This was added by the sinful reasoning of men that wrote these newer version of the bible. If someone desires to go with these corrupted newer versions of the bible that are light on sin, then let it be so, for they are looking for all the excuses they can to keep sinning - to support their current lifestyles and to keep promoting the bondage of sin in other "Christians". What I present is from a copy of the original Greek manuscripts, not from the bibles we have today. Yes, this is what was said so you can't hide behind the all so famous accusations about men corrupting the bible. You would do yourself a huge favor if you studied using an Interlinear Bible where the Greek is show, along with a word for word translation in the exact format they spoke in. Galatians 5:21 KJV Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Greek phthonoi phonoi methai kOmoi kai ta homoia toutois ha prolrgO humin kathOs kai proeipon hoti hoi ta toiauta prassontes basileian theou ou klEronomEsousin Word for word translation ENVIES MURDERS DRUNKennesses REVELries AND THE LIKE to-these WHICH I-AM-BEFORE-sayING to-YOU according-AS AND I-BEFORE-said that THE-ones THE such PRACTISING KINGdom OF-God NOT SHALL-BE-tenantING I agree !!!

You are assumming things. I don't say you have a sinners theology because you rarely read the KJV, it is because you believe that everyone stays a sinner even after being born of God. Are you saying that people who do not read the KJV Bible are sinners? No, not at all !!! Sinners are sinners because they are still in bondage to lies and their own evil selfisness - where holy and righteous people are no longer in bondage to sin, but bound to holiness instead.

No, it took me 25 years to let God perfect me into a son of God. Then in the last 6-7 years Christ has perfected me even more like Him. - Glory to glory. It seems scripture speaks against being perfect while still being in this life. Paul spoke one particular time about the difference in 1 Corinthians 13:12 "For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known." It is possible to assume certain scripture is telling us that we cannot sin once we are born again, but that does go against scripture, for there are far more verses in scripture that instructs us to continue the good fight, to win the race, to carry our cross daily ... all this inferring that we do have the ability to sin when born again. There is nowhere in scripture that tells us that the old man is dead in us, just that our following the sin nature is no longer the reigning factor. We have been shown a better way. Christ's yoke is light - for all the things Christ calls me to do is what I desire to do, which makes it easy. When a person has the nature/Spirit of Christ, they will naturally do the things of Christ. You don't understand what I am saying. I am not questioning God, but man. For you to never sin is impossible while still living in this flesh. IF you were sinless, you would not be alive. You see, if being born again was the end all, there would be nothing more for God to instruct us in after the process of being born again was complete. This is where you are very, very wrong. Christ came to overcome and clense all sin out of us through the work of His Grace and Holy Spirit. I do live without committing any willful sins anymore. This is the power of Christ living in me. I am very much alive and righteous in Christ, because it is ALL Christ living in me. Come to Christ and believe and be free from sin as Christ has promised - Free Indeed. If you will not have faith in what Christ has come to do in you, which is to cleanse you of ALL sin, then you will never be cleansed of ALL sin, because of your lack of faith in Christ and His promises. There is much more to do for the Lord and more power to do it all after being born of God then before being born of God. You probably just won't know about these things until you experience it for your self.

You are assumming things. I don't say you have a sinners theology because you rarely read the KJV, it is because you believe that everyone stays a sinner even after being born of God.

I will pray for you, that your eyes will be opened to the foolish deception you appear to have fallen for, and that you may see God's truth. For no body is sinless expect Christ. Exactly - No one is sinless except Christ, but Christ is the only One living in me, so as a result I don't sin any longer. I will pray for you too - that your eyes will be opened and have more faith in Christ and His promises, but right now you are being deceived by the devil's lies, which are keeping you in bondage to sin and your own selfishness/evil.