Dave Watchman

I agree. I think that we are much closer to the actual second coming than is being widely recognized. I was watching the open source news on twitter yesterday with the Iran attack. It was that strange mix of excitement and fear. I agree we're right up against the 7th seal, the 7th trumpet, and the 7th vial. I can also make a case for the 7th seal to have been opened half way through 2021. We're in the half an hour of silence, which is half of a "hora", half a season, or half of a heptad. This one I can't. I still easily can calculate a final heptad, a final complete seven year cycle to Messiah the Prince. It's not like the traditional dispensational understanding of the 70th week, a 7 year tribulation. There were two more modern day decrees to restore Jerusalem that match with the 7 and 62 weeks. A bit off topic. I found a Jewish guy in an hour long video. He uses some Sanhedrin writing, 97a, that describes what takes place in each of the seven years prior to the appearance of their Messiah. He and I agree with the timing of the last heptad, 2018 to 2025 (January). Interesting video. It's not my normal sort of thing. Long video. He seems to be using his version of a calendar to isolate 2018 as the first year of the last seven, then matching the various events of severe weather, plague, lockdown, better times of plenty, and now various wars, with the various years. That part about the "Torah is forgotten by those who study it". Torah = The Law. Like in our Bibles where it says Lawlessness will abound. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. Increased lawlessness, for the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. But: "During the fifth year there will be great plenty and they will eat, and drink, and rejoice, and the Torah will return to those who study it." Remember the Bud Light and Target backlash against the Sodomites, and the overturning of Roe/Wade? Returning to the Torah?, returning to the Law? Roe/Wade was one of the composite beast's crowning achievements. It was overturned in the 5th year, 2022. Lawlessness actually decreased that year. The Torah returns, Thou shalt not kill. People on a news forum were asking why is this Roe/Wade overturning happening now after all this time? I don't think those things could have happened during the previous 42 months of the beast's authority. And in the 7th Sanhedrin year, wars. The video ends with a comet visitation this year in September. If we make it that far. Lol. You can find it on U Tube by searching: Will Mashiach Come This Year? by Efraim Palvanov

Your welcome. Thanks for the thread. Welcome to Worthy. Tough to say by looking at the text alone. If there were a good way that we could be pretty sure we were already late in the last Heptad, we would know whatever the Two Witnesses are, they would have had to begin in early 2018. It says they prophesy for 1260 days, then are dead in the street for three and a half days. So since I quickly noticed at the time, we are still here, the 3.5 days must be 3.5 years. Another guy, on another forum, also figured out that the 3.5 days were (probably) 3.5 years. Partly just because it fits. Price action makes for market commentary. Trade the charts, do not trade a story. There's too many stories out there. With Daniel and Revelation, there are usually two things happening now at once. 1) There's a prophecy occurring, and 2) there is the prophetic time period that it's taking place in. It's much easier to identify the time period itself, than it is to know for sure the details of the prophecy before it begins. The Two Witnesses were just here. They had to be. They are the measuring rod given to John to measure the inner court. We are the inner court. This, at it's basic level, is the judgment of the living prior to Christ's appearing. The Prophetic Time period forces the Two Witnesses to be something other than what the Hal Lindsey model suggested them to be to us. The Beast, Satan, the one that ascended from the bottomless pit, has already made war on them, and killed them. Their bodies are lying dead in the street right now. The 3.5 days are 3.5 years. It's happening now. The Two Witnesses were the personification of seemingly inanimate objects. Like that phrase in the U.S. of how a "bill" was killed in congress. The Two Witnesses had to be killed sometime prior to Friday June 24, 2022. Because the Beast's authority has ended too. John has finished measuring the inner court. We are in the night when no man can work. Think of the Two Witnesses as the two Olive Trees and the two Lamp Stands. Two of one thing, and two of another thing. The Holy Spirit, and the Bible. The Law, and the Prophets. The OT, and the NT. The fire that comes out from their mouths is the fire that comes out of the mouth of the Holy Spirit inspired Bible on judgment day and destroys their enemies. That is how they are doomed to be killed. The Bible SPEAKS of fire that will fill the earth some day. "They have the power to shut the sky, that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying, This is not a drought, this is the symbolic rain that James was speaking of. From the mouth of James 5:7 says: “Be patient, therefore, beloved until the coming of the Lord. The farmer waits for the precious crop from the earth, being patient with it until it receives the early and the late rains.” The early and latter rains symbolize spiritual blessings from above which help nourish and soften our hearts so that we may grow in Christ. Spiritual blessings include the gift of the Holy Spirit and the truth of Scriptures. The early rains began when our Lord and the apostles went out to preach the Gospel to the world. These truths were like blessed rain pouring down upon the dry land (parched without God’s truth). We are now just past the days of the latter rains. The Gospel of the Kingdom has reached, and been preached to all the nations. We are at the end which has come. The land remains parched without God's truth. The land, the Earth, will vomit out its inhabitants. We are deep now into the seals, the trumpets and the vials. The frog like demons have already been sent out to the kings of the earth to gather them for that great battle of God Almighty. The planet has broken temperature records. Florida has set an all time high in sea water temperature last summer of over 101 Fahrenheit, over 38 Celsius. Last summer smoke from forest fires in Canada darkened the skies in NYC. The sun has been given the power to scorch men. "The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was given power to scorch people with fire. They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him. Many of the signs were subtle. So that they could be easily dismissed, both for those who are not willing to accept it, or for those who are perishing. And so that even though we are not in darkness so that that day should overtake us as a thief, the Son of Man will still be able to come like a thief, to come at an hour that we do not expect. It had to be that way. Think about it like if Moses and Elijah were travelling around killing the reprobate with fire shooting out from their mouths, everyone would know that we were in one of the days of the Son of Man. Then everyone would know that His Hour is here. On this we agree. I don't think that it is a coincidence. That is spooky. But it could also be something like how Passover is calculated by the first new moon of the year, and a total solar eclipse also happens only on a new moon. Even so, Come Lord Jesus. Peaceful Sabbath.

Is the eclipse on April 8 a warning? I vote yes. Just because it's happening at this time now. It's not just a stand alone event. It's occurring within a larger narrative of signs which could only have been put there by One Hand. The Revelation 12 sign, and the first American eclipse, happened in the year prior, (2017), to where I measure the start of the last heptad. This year's American eclipse happens in the year before where I measure the Heptad's completion, (January 2025), based on Levi Eshkol's decree to restore the Old City of Jerusalem in January 1969. Which came right on schedule, 62 weeks, 434 years, after the Ottoman Decree in 1535. The chance for those two unique events, to be timed out as they were, would probably be pretty rare for randomizing. The cries from these stones are reaching their crescendo now. I read another guy said this on another forum. He sincerely believes it. He called it the season of the locust, May to September. I also think it could happen over that span of time now, even as short as 40 days. But I'm very sure that I could prove that the actual five months of Revelation 9 just happened already, beginning in the spring of 2022. And it continues to this year. Men continue to ask for death but death flees from them. In the first month of this year alone, in various places, there were more new cases of it than in the total global five month outbreak. The men who have taken the mark of the beast continue to ask for death, for the penalty of sin is death, but death flees from them. They gnawed their tongues for pain, and blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds. Amen to that. Without Him, we can do nothing. I will be very surprised if I am wrong, because if I am correct, it's not me being correct. A man can receive nothing unless it comes from Heaven, and comes from Him Who dwells there. Me too. In 2013. I started off with Joel's Trumpet and Worthy in 2013. I was saying to GET HOLY FAST. Because of Revelation 3: "Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth. It sounded to me like we had to be a certain way prior to the start of the appointed time of the end. That is interesting. I could see it happening by then. According to my understanding, it has to happen this year, technically by January 2025. I think the Antichrist was just here. He is the second beast from Revelation 13, the Dragon, the destroyer, Abaddon, who has given his power, and his throne, and his great authority to the composite beast, and he is that same beast which has risen from the bottomless pit in Revelation 11. The Two Witnesses have already been made war on, and conquered and killed by him, and their dead bodies are laying in the street of the great city now. The Two Witnesses had to be killed in the time prior to Friday June 24, 2022. (Roe/Wade was one of the composite beast's crowning achievements. That could never have been overturned during his 42 months of authority.) I believe we are much closer to the actual second coming than people are recognizing. The majority of Christians are like the men travelling on the road to Emmaus. Not that that's a bad thing. I think that the Gospel has already been preached to all the nations, (John Chau 2018), and we are living in the end which has come. Which is the night when no man can work. I think the sea had become like the blood of a dead man in 2022, and every living thing that was in the sea has died now. As the sea is defined as many nations and peoples and tongues which the composite beast has risen from. These are dead men walking. The throne of the beast has been plunged into darkness, they loved the darkness, in them there is no Light. God has given them blood to drink. These people who have taken the mark of the beast are cut off now from the living waters that flow out from Christ. This is, as John MacArthur called it, the wrath of abandonment. God gave them over to a reprobate mind. It's just the new babies being born now. "but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; "but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.” I wish, or hope that we can be more excited about it all. Be glad to be here at this time. Comfort one another with these words. And not to be as much apprehensive. I look forward to Jesus coming and to start that process of righting all the wrongs. And to seeing our friends and families again, for we will be comforted. And to be in the presence of the Lord and to witness the glory of His Might. God bless everybody here and Godspeed Peaceful Sabbath.

This is where I think you've come the closest. But you're a couple years off. It wasn't the recapture of Jerusalem in 1967, although that was important. In 1968 the Knesset debated a document that eventually found it's place all the way up to Levi Eshkol's desk in January 1969. Like John had said. You have heard the Antichrist is coming, even then there were many antichrists. But Paul's only talking about one Son of Perdition, only one specific "Man of Sin". They are sent out to the kings of the earth. Armageddon is bigger than a local, or regional battle. The world is at war with God. Satan's Kingdom is not divided. They have as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he is called Apollyon. This is like a Hebrew Couplet, but a Hebrew Triplet. Like that comedy movie where the same bad actor plays multiple roles. But Satan's Kingdom is not divided. They have as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he is called Apollyon. Satan is the Dragon, Satan is that beast which has ascended from the bottomless pit, and Satan is the false prophet. Out of Satan's mouth, only Satan can command his army. His house is not divided.

Sir, I answer, you must know. Then the next verses after the ones you quote: "On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back. Remember Lot’s wife. Like the same instructions we read in Matthew after the Abomination of Desolation warning. Like when you see the days of the Sodomites. Like on the day that Lot left out from Sodom. Remember Lot's wife, there's no looking back. Sudden destruction and they did not escape.

I agree that it's happening now. I think that it's way easier to be correct with the timing of it, than to figure out what the events are. I think a lot of people can't notice it because they are holding onto a bunch of historical misinterpretations of the events. Like the old Late Great Book. I think Hal said the kings of the east were the Asian Countries like China and Japan. I think the Kings FROM the East are God the Father, and Jesus. "The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. Is like: “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, The Euphrates river was always a large natural obstacle preventing invading armies from the north coming down to destroy Israel back in the old Biblical times. When this river symbolically dries up, the green light is then given for the Kings from the East to bring Divine Destruction. Like the angel ascending from the "east" bringing the seal of God, and the lightning of Jesus coming from the "east" to the west, the Kings from the East are heavenly Visitors. God the Father, and His Son Jesus: "They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of: a) Him who sits on the throne and b) from the wrath of the Lamb! So I don't think it's likely going to be Asian armies, like from the Late Great Planet Earth, that travel to a literal valley north of Israel, but Divine Destroyers that come from the Biblical north wind of heaven. Evil comes from the north. Nebuchadnezzar came down from the north and wiped out Jerusalem. "For I am bringing disaster from the north, even terrible destruction." ... Set up the banner in Zion: come together, do not delay: for I bring evil from the north wind, ... "Then the LORD said, "This means destruction will break out from the north on all ... cry, O city; Melt away, O Philistia, all of you; For smoke comes from the north, ... "Egypt is like a very fair heifer, but destruction cometh; it cometh out of the north. "Then the LORD said to me, "Out of the north the evil will break forth on all the inhabitants of the land. And notice during a time of restoration God removes the northerner: “I will remove the northerner far from you, and drive him into a parched and desolate land, his vanguard into the eastern sea, I think a bunch of the things that the prophecy prognosticators were having us watch for, have already just happened, and are happening right now. It's all about the Devil. We are just caught up in his bargain. We are living in his kingdom right now, the kingdom of the rebels, when the rebels have become completely wicked. I don't know the answers, but I don't think it can go on like this indefinitely. According to my understanding, we're getting close to a hard stop in time. I agree it's happening right now before our eyes. Maybe we're too close to the events to figure them all out. I think we're right up against the seventh seal, the seventh trumpet, and the seventh vial. The frog demons are already gone out to gather the kings of the earth for that Great Battle. The other thread was worried about America coming into judgment. I wouldn't worry about it. If or when that happens, it's like you say, the rest of the planet is toast too. But we do not mourn as others do who have no hope. Peaceful Sabbath.

I'm mainly posting for the OP. What is he thinking now that we're past a specific point in time. Are the prophetic time periods painting us into a corner? Or do the time periods demand that the Two Witnesses have to be something other than Moses and Elijah? Can the prophetic time periods demand another understanding that the Two Witnesses were something other than what the prophecy expositors always told us they would be? It does seem like a lot of speculation. But in my case I'm counting heptads from specific events that are not replaceable in time. Unique events which are timed out at specific Biblically stated intervals. I would be seriously surprised if I am wrong. Because it's not my private case. Other people have looked at it. Isaac Newton was the first to suggest it in the 1700's. The things he said to be looking for, appear to be here now. I just think that the time to post the empirical is past. Other people have looked at the materials I'm talking about. It almost feels too rude or inappropriate to blurt out the dates now. Because of how close I think we are. Like Zechariah and Zephaniah, be silent before the Lord, Be silent before the face of the Lord God: for the day of the Lord is near. "Be silent, all flesh, before the Lord, for he has roused himself from his holy dwelling. I don't really know what to do about it. What am I doing? Not much. No new truck, no new kitchen or bathroom. No new roof. I got good at patching the old one where the raccoon chewed through. Lol. I would rather be close to home if something happens. So even though I still go to work, I don't go on vacation trips. I think the OP has stocked up on supplies. He has big store rooms. Not me. I don't think there's a long tribulation coming. Maybe a year of recompense, or even 40 days. Like the Days of Noah one. I think that the Gospel has already been preached to all the nations, we are at the end which has come. The thing Jesus was talking about as the night will come when no man can work. Only God knows how many more babies will be born. I have faith that the Lord is in charge of this, He can keep us from, through, or during, this time of trouble that comes upon the whole world. He can send His angels to make sure we don't stub a toe. We can be standing right next to a bad guy, and one will be taken, and one will be left alone. And I pray that we may all be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.

It's kind of a spooky note. I wouldn't worry about it though. It's amazing it was written in 1984. Especially with what's happening in Texas. This part here: "He said, "Remember this, Dumitru. The Russian spies have discovered where the nuclear warehouses are in America. When the Americans will think that it is peace and safety - from the middle of the country, some of the people will start fighting against the government. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then from the ocean, from Cuba, Nicaragua, Mexico,,.." (He told me two other countries, but I didn't remember what they were.) "...they will bomb the nuclear warehouses. When they explode, America will burn!" On a news forum they're talking about that. All around the world they're noticing Texas. If the U.S. gets distracted with internal problems, other bad leaders might think it's a good time to act out their plans. If the U.S. did go down, there would be very little else to hold back the dogs of war. I imagine Russia, N. Korea, China, Hamas and Hezbollah would have a field day. Yesterday on a news forum, a poster from Ukraine who could barely write English said: "Hope that civil war in America not happened.You need kick away Biden without war.Globalists-satanists and illuminati can use this for chaos in America and whole world.

I like it when you post these notes. I sifted though this one again and didn't notice anything new. I still think that we can know the appointed times of God, within a seven year span. That it is for us, unlike the first century disciples, to know the times and the seasons set in place by the Father. And it's likely happening towards the end of this last heptad. The Book of Daniel is unsealed for the final generation. But there's still a big reason why Jesus said no man can know the day or the hour. Not even the angels in heaven. Not even. There's something else happening that only the Father knows about. Jesus would not blot out a name from the Book of Life, but that name was already written there. "The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels. But I wonder what you think is happening right now Christian? What is Jesus doing right now at this time? Where are we in the prophetic narrative? Before, you said that the Two Witnesses would begin to prophesy at the first new moon of 2023. Then you said they were here but just haven't been revealed yet. Have you changed your mind since that time? I think they started already, and the beast that ascended from the bottomless pit has already made war on them, and killed them, and their dead bodies have been laying in the streets of the great city for the better part of three and a half days, which are 3 and a half years in God's economy of prophetic time periods. I still think that we can't go past January 2026. I doubt we can go past 2025. These are both a hard stop in time. The sabils in the Old City of Jerusalem could make a variance of 12 months. But I doubt it. You said it would be in the fall of 2026. I think it's sooner. I think it's happening now. It's being slipped in on us. So that even though we are not in darkness so that that day would overtake us as a thief, the Son of Man is still going to be able to come on a day when people are not expecting Him and at an hour they do not know. There's two things happening right now with Daniel and Revelation. We have a prophetic time period happening, and the prophecy taking place within that prophetic time period. If there are 17 specific prophecies in the Books of Daniel and Revelation, and 18 separate prophetic periods of time, it's much easier to identify the time periods than to figure out what the prophecy means. First find the time, times and half a time, and I'll show you where the Dragon chased the Woman. Find the five months from Revelation 9, and I'll show who the members of that composite beast are who got stung by the scorpion beings. Find the 7 and 62 weeks, and you'll know, like the wise men did at the first coming of Messiah, when to be looking for His star in the east. Price action makes for market commentary. This is technical analysis. Trade the charts, do not trade a story. There's too many stories out there. Like how a pilot flies by his gauges, when poor visibility makes ground flight rules impossible. We see through a glass dimly. Our price action, our charts and gauges are in those prophetic time periods. This is a much more meticulous way to know with greater precision the times and the seasons we are in, than to count 6000 years from Creation. It might appear to us that: "anything can happen at any time", but I'm sure God is following what is written in His Word. So that Scripture will be fulfilled. The fun thing is that this time, we don't have long to wait to see who's right. Lord thank You for acknowledging the name of the person reading this, before Your Father, and His holy angels. Peaceful Sabbath.

I still say there's a better way to be much more meticulously precise with the timing of this. I still think it's happening now. Adding the genealogies is interesting. It is an excellent compliment to the picture. But there are other "timelines" in the scriptures, which can point to a year, and a month. But no man can know the day or the hour. I think that you are close. But the spring of 27AD is more accurate counting from the Artaxerxes decree of 457BC. I agree. Friday, April 7, 30AD. Even I can use the timeanddate calendar for Israel in 30AD to count the Passover for confirmation that year. It's the only year that works out for it in that area of time. I agree in principal with the big picture of what you're talking about, but I wouldn't demand that it has to be an exact year just based on such a long count of a 6000 year span. The variables of inclusive counting, or the potential inaccuracies of a long count of 6000 years, or what Jesus meant by except those days be shortened, makes it too difficult to be precise. Because of the plaques on the sabils in the Old City of Jerusalem, I even consider that you could be right. But that deal is a long shot. I would bet that the heptad we are currently in runs out a year before then. I don't know what is going to happen. I continue to insist that it is far easier for us to figure out WHEN it's going to happen, than WHAT is going to happen. I was watching a video by John Campbell yesterday about the Chinese isolating a new virus from that pangolin animal again. It's 100% lethal in humanized mice. It's a brain virus that destroys the central nervous system. The first symptom is all the hair stands on end, then the eyes turn white. It's hard to watch. I still think it's going to be like on the very day that Lot left out from Sodom, and fire rained down, and the Sodomites did not escape. They only way I see to prep for that kind of scenario is Psalms 91: "You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day, nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday. I honestly don't think you'll need all your prepper supplies Christian. The Lord is in charge of this now, He knows what He is doing. I don't think there's any time remaining for a multi-year tribulation. Something big might happen soon, even before this year is over, and we could find ourselves as quick as 40 days until the actual second coming. Like lightning shining from the east and to the west. I bet it's going to be fast.

Hi Charlie, Thanks for your note. I agree with a whole bunch of the things you're saying. Because my view is radical, and still unfolding, I can't really say anything is very wrong with how you have it written out. I might circle back latter and post more of the empirical style of links that give reason to the ideas I have. I agree the 70 weeks were: "490 literal years from 457 BC to 33/34 AD. Moshe in Israel speaks to what he calls the mistranslation in verse 24 meaning two sets of 70, but he doesn't think there's two sets of seventy weeks like I do. He thinks the first "70" was the 70 years (70 literal years) that represent God’s punishment period in Babylon for disobeying His command to let the land rest on the Sabbath year. When I found the Moshe video I already knew there were two sets of 70 weeks that would predict the coming of the Son of Man. He just kind of got me more excited about it. I might try to circle back to this latter as I tend to think it's still unfolding. Notice how it reads: “And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, If the time segments were not split up as they were, this couldn't be differentiated in the way it was. The second set of the 70 weeks is reversed as a mirror image would be. The 7 weeks is the segment that appears to be preceding Jesus' return now. That's what Newton thought it would be. He thought the 7 weeks pertained primarily to the second coming. I agree you're counting the Jubilee Cycles correctly. The 50th year then becomes year#1 for the next Jubilee Cycle. I might circle back to this one latter. I agree that the last week was in the first century, 27 AD to 34 AD. But I suspect there's another set of the 70 weeks that we are in right now. And so this makes for a final last 7 years which ends on the last day with Jesus' Return and the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolator. Like how you said: "10 Jubilee’s of 49 years each to complete the 4th and final Great Jubilee cycle - which is no coincidence, there's other ideas where there have been 7 sets of 70 weeks since the Exodus in 1437 BC. In that idea, the set of 70 weeks in Daniel 9 which preceded Messiah's first Visitation, was the third set of 70 weeks since the Exodus. "Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; I remember when I first read this it sounded peculiar for it to be the same as first century verse 26. What was happening after Jesus' Ascension and up to 34 AD which would have been confirming a covenant with many for a week of 7 years? I think this week is happening now. The "many" are all the people set to be resurrected, and all the people alive right now prior to Christ's Appearance. The covenant must be something more, something bigger than just the Jews. I'm reading the Adamic Covenant. Not explicitly referred to as a covenant in Genesis, but it is a significant promise that God makes to mankind. It is the first promise of redemption and the first promise of Christ’s coming. God is already giving us hope of a Redeemer. Genesis 3:15 is sometimes referred to as the protevangelium, the first announcement of the gospel in Scripture. God’s promise to Eve that the seed of the serpent would bruise the heel of the seed of Eve and the seed of Eve would bruise the head of the seed of the serpent, is the foretelling that Satan would wound Christ on the cross, but that Christ would triumph over Satan on that same cross. I'm still really trying to decide this as I write. What I think now is not the same as 6 months ago. I think you'll say but Daniel 9 is addressed to specifically to Daniel's People, not the Church. I'm still working on that. I agree that there is no gap in time. The Seventy weeks are time. The time segments making up the 70 weeks are contiguous and continuous. You can't stop time. But there might be another way where both the historicists, and the futurists, can both be right here. Peaceful Sabbath.

I think the hint is here. Or there in that enigmatic text. Or the hint is in the way the weeks are split up. Newton thought that was why the weeks were split up as 7 AND 62, not 7 plus 62, or why didn't Daniel just say 69 weeks until Messiah the Prince. And since there are going to be two visitations of Christ, there's also two sets of 70 weeks that herald His arrival. Both of them based on new commands, to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem, in our more modern times. Also, if there were two sets of 70 weeks, we would be able to find them by now as we would be living within them. I'm just reading through your notes, Part 7: Were Verses 26b-27 Fulfilled Historically?, a very thorough job William. You think these: "are found to be well-fulfilled by the events of the 7-year Jewish War of 66/67-73 A.D." But how is that? Confirming a covenant with many for one seven? "Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; Jesus died in the middle of the week on April 7, 30AD. Then He came back for 40 days, and then He ascended back to heaven. What was the "one week" where He confirmed the covenant with many? Who are the many? The people alive in the first century, or the people alive now prior to His next appearance? If Newton and myself are correct, where the 7 and 62 also have an application to the end time timing of the arrival of Jesus at His second coming, some of these verses must be applicable to the end times, even our times now. Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolator. Peaceful Sabbath.

Thanks for the reply William, I appreciate it. I value being able to communicate with you guys in on this forum. I remember talking to you a long time ago, you had the same avatar. I didn't know you were into the Hebrew language. I don't want to ask too many more silly questions, without saying why I'm asking, but if our translations are depending on: "the memorizations of men who were gifted to accurately memorize long passages of oral readings, men called choyzers, did they alter the word because it didn't seem to fit the context of the sentence? Like we've all grew up reading 70 weeks, 70 sevens, or maybe 70 heptads are determined. It doesn't seem to read correctly as Seventy Seventy are determined. I was reading somewhere they said the Hebrew word for weeks or "sevens" was heptads. Why do you think Daniel wouldn't have used a different word like heptad? Seventy heptads are determined?

Thanks Hartono, I don't know why I didn't check Bible Hub first. It's really my favourite resource I go to first. It gets me to the translations fast and it's easy to navigate. Bible Gateway is nice, but there's too many frills, or bells and whistles to load up on my screen when I'm in a hurry. When I have more time to spend I'll also check out Blue letter Bible. https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/newton_isaac/prophecies/daniel10.cfm It's a great free of charge resource, a nice collection of commentaries, but a little trickier to navigate when you don't have a lot of time.

I wonder what the little markings mean beneath the Hebrew letters? Annotations? I found it tricky to select, or to copy and paste the Hebrew text. It gave me a spooky feeling. Like maybe I shouldn't be delving into this right now, I Googled for: "annotations beneath the Hebrew letters", and got: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_diacritics Were they added after Daniel's original writings, or did Daniel write it that way? One of the reasons I ask is that Moshe in Israel says the original Hebrew text reads as Seventy Seventy are determined. https://t.me/moshegroup/50371 https://t.me/moshegroup/50372 He's saying there's two sets of seventy weeks. He does a video on it and has a note about it on his Telegram channel. He sounds sure of it and mentions one Christian literal translation which also reads it as Seventy Seventy. "Seventy seventy were divided upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to close the transgression, and to seal up sins, and to expiate iniquity, and to bring in eternal justice, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the holy of holies. https://biblehub.com/slt/daniel/9.htm None of this is going to change what I currently think about the 70 weeks of Daniel 9. I also am very sure that there are two separate sets of 70 weeks, but not for the same reasons that Moshe is saying. Peaceful Sabbath.