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  1. I always check theology against the teachings of Jesus. John 15:12 Love each other as I have loved you. Luke 6:37-38 Judging other's Do not judge and you will not be judged Do not condemn and you will not be condemned Forgive and you will be forgiven Give and it will be given to you A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and ruining over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Make sure your measure is good. Mark 9:35 Any one who wants to be first must be the very last and servant of all. Matthew 23:12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled and those who humble themselves will be exalted. If your theology does not live up to the above then think again. I see a lot of criticism of other religions, but remember the words of Jesus Luke 9:50 Master, “said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him because he is not one of us” Do not stop him,” Jesus said “for whoever is not against you is for you.” All Christians are for Jesus not against him. We all may intrepid scripture differently, that doesn't mean we are against Jesus and we should not be against one another. We should respect each others interpretation. Also Matthew 7:3 Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye. It's easy to look at other Christians and see their mistakes and over look our own. For instance your interpretation off being born again. You over look the crucifixion, Luke 23:43 when Jesus said. “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” This criminal admitted he deserved the punishment. So it goes without saying he was far from born again. He Must have done some awfully things to deserve this punishment. For instance, robbing people, injuring people, maybe even murder. So I ask my self, what did he do to deserve to enter God’s kingdom. For me it's plain to see, he recognised Jesus for who he is and he humbled himself. ( those who humble themselves will be exalted.) And Jesus, true to his word did exactly that. So let me give you another possible interpretation. When you die you are born again in to the spirit world and if you are not born in Christ you will not enter his kingdom. I'm not claiming that I'm right and you are wrong but explain how an unborn Christian can enter paradise. Now don't say something that can not be backed up by scripture. For instance, oh Jesus was only comforting him. Making Jesus to be a liar or, Jesus did not enter his kingdom for 3 days so how would he be with him that day. We as Christians believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the one person, so if he meets one he meets all. Does this mean, you as born again believers are going to he’ll if you're wrong? No, if your child did something you did not approve of, but they explain that they thought they were doing right by you because they misinterpreted something you said. Would you punish them, I wouldn't, knowing that they did not know what they were doing, believing they were doing right. I would forgive them and explain what I did mean. (Crucifixion. For give them because they do not know what they are doing. For me, Jesus in the crucifixion brings a clear understanding to all his teachings. We a are all forgiven for our sins, even those of us who do not know what we are doing. So it's up to us as believers to forgive, not judge, not to condemn, not to exalt ourselves, not to put ourselves first, not to judge. If we do judge, condemn, exalt ourselves ETC then we are putting our own soul's at risk. Genesis 18:32 What if only 10 can be found there. God answered, “for the sake of the ten, I will note destroy it” Abraham is trying to save the city if he can find some righteous people. This to me is saying one righteous person can save many. So I’m am not saying I'm righteous, for that is not for me to say, but as Christians we should ask God to save everyone, for if I think I am worthy and someone else is not, then straight away I am exacting myself and putting myself first and them last. Need I say more. So I put myself last and ask God to take everyone up and give them a chance to say sorry for they may not know what they are doing and let them in before me. Lord, I don’t mind being last, but just let me in for I may not know what I am doing. My advise is not to think yourself worthy as it is up to Jesus as our saviour to do that. So I will finish up by saying everyone's sins are forgiven only if we can forgive, not condemn. If we can stop pointing the finger at other's because this is not helping our case, it's only making it worse for us to do so. Remember his teachings and don't twist his word's to suit yore theology but adjust your theology to suit his teachings. If you relay believe that you've theology is correct and you don't judge, condemn others and you forgive others, then even if you’re wrong you will be forgiven. So peace to one and all this Christmas, I hope and pray you will all have a happy one. But don’t forget those less fortunate and pray that some how they will have a happy one as well. Jim.
  2. First the Word is a miracle to those with blind eyes in darkness who simply do not believe because of influences they do not perceive ... 2 Cor 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. KJV The truth of this accomplishment is placed in an event that man cannot reconcile in His own strength of mind - election and freewill into a unity of exist in the created with The Creator... In the place of understanding for us by begin there will never be conclusion but only continuance and this place, of sin we are, it hides this reality very well! We have a place designated by God in The infinite place and that place in this infinite is to preach Christ and Him crucified yet in three days resurrected-> for this is the hope that is of all men from Adam to the last man standing... as far as the rest God gives us this Rom 1:19-20 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: KJV and it is enough to leave this in His Capable Hands... don't you think? As I believe His Word- which delivers to my mind a truly Unique Being (God) and that there 'IS' no other only that which He has created to bring Him pleasure... Life and reason is very simplified for me as all of what I see and all of what 'IS' in fact 'IS' His to do with as it pleases Him! As I have this built within me by His regeneration (born again) I am in personal awe every moment of the day of His Wonder and Grace in this place... I am driven in my heart to desire to go to Him with all He has placed within me for His pleasure to be complete and His Word to be fulfilled! The born again are empowered to become a selfless enterprise of His Work through them for the purpose of His Glory and Holy Pleasure cause it is born from perfection and not of this world- along with self evident truth within this births own being into the assurance that it will not pass away but will continue unto the purpose of God fulfilling the mystery of this John 3:8 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. KJV and as the creation has taught us it can be so gentle one can barely perceive it's directives in the going and other times so strong there seems no choice... by this we know our Shepherd's leading! Yes sinners are the garbage of worthless trash (as we all are)... Rom 3:23 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; KJV for God alone 'IS' The Perfection of no sin In His Son Jesus and in the realization of truth from Him the worthless things must see that while having nothing must come to The Lord as they are without anything of value and in this need to be made brand new by Jesus's work of regeneration (new birth)... It really is a no brainer this world and those in it are set for destruction and the only designed deliverance is to not be born of a place that passes away and have a hope on the place promised that is not here yet... You are exactly right and as we are not our own- we will do as His Spirit leads us in a love that is supernatural and without fear kept by Him in the regenerated birth within and a body that is commanded of us to bring into subjection to His Word's guidance so to enable His Power within us to do as His Good Pleasure deems everyday! Has any of us done this perfectly? Yes in The Lord Jesus's Life we have and in this keeping we are made able to stand before The Perfect Father Who embraces all that we are because of His Life's covering (Blood)... meanwhile we are pressed to Love This Perfect gift by obedience into life seen by others so that they will be drawn to The Spirit Filled Life as well! At this place in His Perfect Work "It is finished" Jesus had accomplished a perfect Life of Love to all men... as the two thieve were witnesses but only one broken into the need of such love but all saw! As at that moment Christ The Lord Jesus became The Center Piece of all Eternity that causes all that will come to Him in total abandonment of all else to receive directly from His Own Hand eternal life by new birth... it is The Finished Work in Him alone through His Grace alone by placement of our faith in this 'Finished Work' alone... Love, Steven I am leaving it in his capable hands Steven but I am not the one who is judging others and saying people are dammed because they are not born again. What Jesus did on the cross contradicts your theology and the fact that you can’t see or accept this worry’s me greatly. Anyone who claims to be like Christ and refers to people (Gods Children) as garbage and worthless trash is being influenced by someone other than the Holy Spirit. Remember Matthew 5:22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell, Is there a difference between referring to someone as garbage or saying they are good for nothing. When Jesus met the Samaritan woman at the well did he treat her like garbage and worthless trash no he treated her with the respect she deserved. Jesus shows us how to treat people but again you can’t see this and I wonder why. I am always fearful that I may be misled by evil spirits and the only way to check this is to constantly ask myself does my theology make sense and if it doesn’t I find out why and change it. I am not here to score points and prove you wrong and me right. Jesus is the one who is right so don’t do it for me do it for Jesus. The next time you feel like judging & throwing the stone of condemnation at someone remember the words of Jesus. Let the one who has not sinned throw the first stone. If you think you are right then Jesus will forgive you but maybe you are condemning yourself because on judgement day you will be judged as you judge others that is a certainty. Steven maybe it is time to have a serious look at your theology. I am praying for you and will continue to do so and I ask you to do the same for me. Please don’t just dismiss these comments without giving serious thought to what I am saying. I am seriously concerned for you and others on this forum. Over the last couple of weeks I have spent a lot of time praying and thinking of what to say to you and I would rather have my fingers cut off than type anything that would put you wrong or more importantly go against Gods wishes. I know you are doing what you think is right but look at what I have pointed out to you showing you clearly going against Christ’s teachings, please remove the Vail from your eyes and see what I can see. I do not mean to be patronising I am just trying to get through to you because I know you mean well. Stay in the love and the light. Love James
  3. Do you know why God has His Word written down for us? ....To say a person is damned because they are not born again.... ....when he clearly showed us while on the cross.... ....that people that do not know what they area doing should be forgiven because they are not responsible.... ....It is clearly unjust to dam someone who is not born again.... ....if they do not know what they are doing and to say that any one is dammed is judging them.... ....This is clearly against scripture.... ~ Ah Beloved, Jesus Said Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3 And Without Jesus Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 One Remains As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:10-12 Damned The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36 ~ Believe Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? John 11:25-26 And Be Blessed Beloved If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:12-15 Be Very Blessed Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24 Love, Joe ~ Love Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 1 Peter 1:21-23 Tells It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63 And Without Jesus Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 Hi Joe peace be with you. Yes I agree every one will go before him on judgment day and no one will come to the father except through Jesus. One Remains As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:10-12 Damned The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36 ~ Believe Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? John 11:25-26 And Be Blessed Beloved If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:12-15 Be Very Blessed Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24 Love, Joe Again Joe I agree with all the above Ah Beloved, Jesus Said Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3_ I agree but here is where we differ, there is nothing to say this cannot happen after death Joe. How could the criminal on the cross get in to heaven when he was not born again, but yet he did. Stay in the love & the light Joe I love reading your quotes.
  4. Do you know why God has His Word written down for us? To guide us and show us the way and also to test us to see will we follow his teachings to see will we ignore some of his teachings to suit our opinions. To say a person is damned because they are not born again when he clearly showed us while on the cross that people that do not know what they area doing should be forgiven because they are not responsible. It is clearly unjust to dam someone who is not born again if they do not know what they are doing and to say that any one is dammed is judging them. This is clearly against scripture. As for me I do not consider my self worthy to even call myself Christian because Jesus has set the bar far higher than a mortal like me could ever hope to achieve. I do not know you so I will take your word that you are born again. To me this would mean that you are Christ like in every way. That would mean that you would have the power to expel demons and the power of healing etc. If this is the case then Jesus must hold you in the palm of his hand. Please explain how the words that I quoted above from Jesus on the cross fit in to your theology. Stay in the love & the light.
  5. Who is to say who is right or who is wrong? Jesus Himself...' John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me. Anyone who is not saved and hasn't accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior is NOT going to heaven, my friend. Works won't get you there, even if you're perfect in every way. Why do you argue against what is written, in plain words, in the Bible? if I am right does that mean you are dammed? If he judges you as harshly as you judge others maybe you are damming yourself. It is something you should think about very seriously. It may be a while befor I respond to your reply to this as I am very busy this coming week. Good night and God bless from Irish Guy. Stay in the love & the Light Being Irish and being wrong will get you no where with the Lass Love, Steven Hi Enoob57 peace be with you. Saying someone is wrong does not make them wrong only Jesus can do that. But if I’m wrong in doing and saying what I think is right then Jesus will forgive me because I am doing it for him. Until I am convinced that my theology is wrong I will continue to follow my theology for Jesus. So far I see people following a theology that does not make sense and I’m sure they will say the same about me. But I will not judge them because I know they are doing it for the right reasons. All I ask is that they do not Judge me because judgement is for Jesus only and morningglory is right Jesus is the only one who can say who is right and who is wrong. Stay in the love & the Light.
  6. You can't atone for your sins. If you could, then no one would need Jesus. Jesus died to atone for our sins because we were unable to do so. There was nothing we could do to pay for our sins. The doctrine of purgatory is not in the Bible and just because you try to pencil it into the Bible doesn't make a true doctrine. The Bible knows of nothing called purgatory. It is a lie. Jesus is concerned about our souls, but the decision has to be made in this life. There are no second chances. When you step out into eternity the only thing that matters will be the decision you made for Jesus in this life. That is what determines your eternal destiny. Sinners die in theirs sins forever. They cannot die for their sins. It tramples the blood of Jesus by providing another way of salvation apart from Jesus. There is no salvation apart from the blood of Jesus. There is no purgatory, that is myth. Salvation will only ever be found in the death of Jesus and his shed blood. It is Jesus' blood that atones, not the myth of Purgatory. No, what I an saying is that Jesus paid the death penalty for your sin. Jesus died on the cross to redeem us from the curse of death that hangs over the head of corporate humanity. It must be appropriated by faith in Jesus and His finished work on the cross. Forgiveness is not for God's benefit but for ours. Jesus has paid for our sins, but we need to daily experience His forgiveness to keep out from under condemnation from the enemy. It's the other way around. It is a lack of love to simply let people go off into false doctrines, like Purgatory. Hi Shilo357, You may be interested in my post 224 to MorningGlory. But also I would say to you about purgatory trampling the blood of Jesus under foot. I would say no it tramples your theology under foot. Secondly I am not pencilling in anything just pointing out the reference to purgatory in Matthew because people keep saying it is not biblical. Now instead of belittling my opinion with a comment about (pencilling in) would it not be better to giving your opinion on what Jesus was talking about and explain in your own words what he was saying. Stay in the love & the Light.
  7. I'm sorry but the above is simply not biblical. Jesus told us He is the way....the only way. Please read your Bible for the truth. Hi MorningGlory peace be with you what a lovely name you have picked. I’m sorry to have to disagree with you but this piece of scripture tells me it is biblical. (Proverbs 19:17 Whoever is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will reward them for what they have done.) There is so much more to the New Testament than just words. When I read it I can feel it, the compassion, the forgiveness, the divine love that oozes out of every page. The Jesus that I have come to know is everything of the above and then some. In my opinion the Jesus that I have come to know through the Gospel will not condemn Good people. This life is a test and if God gave us all the information it would not be much of a test that’s why there are so many different Christian religions and sects. Who is to say who is right and who is wrong. Each relationship with Christ is a personal one and if it is right for you well, then its right for you. Stay in the love & the light. God Bless. Copy and pasting the same response from your desktop to everyone doesn't really do anything. It just says to us that you haven't changed and you're simply ignoring what we're saying. Back to square one. God Bless. Hi drs81, You may be interested in my post 224 to MorningGlory.
  8. Who is to say who is right or who is wrong? Jesus Himself...' John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me. Anyone who is not saved and hasn't accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior is NOT going to heaven, my friend. Works won't get you there, even if you're perfect in every way. Why do you argue against what is written, in plain words, in the Bible? Hi MorningGlory peace be with you I’m not arguing with what is written in the Bible I’m arguing with your interpretation of what is written in the Bible. Yes Jesus wants us to go through him but where we differ is I think there are other options. To save time her I will anticipate your response. This is not Biblical ETC. Here are the biblical quotes that you should already know and choose to ignore because they do not agree with your theology. When Jesus was on the cross he told one of the criminal that today he would be with him in paradise. The criminal was not born again in Christ but still he would go to heaven. That goes against your theology What did Jesus do or say about the people who mocked, tortured and crucified him. Did he dam them to hell just like you and some of the folks on this wonderful forum said about non Christians who are not born again? Luke 23:34 Forgive them for they do not no what they are doing. No Jesus forgave them. Would he forgive them and then dam them to hell. I don’t think so but maybe you do. This is why there are so many different Christian beliefs. This merciful deed speaks a multitude to me. He is saying that people can not be held responsible for what they do when they do not no what they are doing wrong or they think what they are doing is right. Can it be written more plainly than that. I could also say to you Why do you argue against what is written, in plain words, in the Bible? But I wouldn’t be so bold because if the bible was in plain words then there would be only one Christian belief not many. Also when a person says others are dammed or will not go to Heaven they are judging them (Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge so that you will not be judged.) When you say things like that you are putting yourself above them or putting yourself first and them last. If you know your bible you know the quote from Jesus that comes to mind about first and last. I will not suggest that you read you bible but I will suggest that you rethink your answers before judging others who have read their bible but have not come to the same conclusion as yourself. In my opinion your theology does not make sense, if I am right does that mean you are dammed? If he judges you as harshly as you judge others maybe you are damming yourself. It is something you should think about very seriously. It may be a while befor I respond to your reply to this as I am very busy this coming week. Good night and God bless from Irish Guy. Stay in the love & the Light
  9. I accepted Jesus Christ as my savior in 2005. - I admitted that I was a sinner and that Jesus is God and that God raised him from the dead. Many are deceived into thinking they are saved when they're not. (Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.) Many confess with their mouth but do not believe in their heart. It all comes down to what's in your heart, who you believe Jesus is in your heart. 1) Admit that you're a sinner and that you need a savior 2) Confess and believe that Jesus is God and that he is Lord and savior of your life. 3) Believe in your heart (truly believe) that God raised him from the dead and you will be saved. Only when you do these things only then, will God the Father send his holy spirit to you to seal you and indwell you. (John 14:18 “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.) You are then sealed with the body of Christ purchased by his blood. Jesus is alive and waiting for unbelievers to confess and believe. Jesus is alive, this is the good news of the Gospel. Jesus Christ was resurrected from the grave and now sits at the right hand of the Father in heaven. Jesus is the intercessor between God and humanity. God the Father is the creator, Jesus is the intercessor and the Holy Spirit is the comforter and helper. What does Jesus being alive mean to you? (Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.) Hebrews 4:12 is saying when the holy spirit lives inside of you, only then do the words in the Bible also become alive in you, alive inside your heart. Without the indwelling of the holy spirit, the Bible is no more then glue and paper stuck to each other collecting dust. Jesus died for your sins. That's why in order to know who Jesus is you would need to do these things (1-3) to understand who God is. The God we are speaking of is holy, perfect and without blemish. When you are born again you are no longer of this world. You are a new creation in Christ, you no longer walk in sin because you are now born of the spirit and not flesh. God has forgiven you. (John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.) But how can you be born a second time? (John 3:4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”) This is where Romans 10:9 and John 3:5 come in, taking action! Blessings, DRS81. Good Night DRS81 and God Bless. It is gone midnight here in Ireland and I’m just about to hit the sack. So I will talk to you again. I have a very busy week ahead of me so it may be later in the week before I get back to you and until we talk again, my God hold you in the palm of his hand.
  10. I'm sorry but the above is simply not biblical. Jesus told us He is the way....the only way. Please read your Bible for the truth. Hi MorningGlory peace be with you what a lovely name you have picked. I’m sorry to have to disagree with you but this piece of scripture tells me it is biblical. (Proverbs 19:17 Whoever is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will reward them for what they have done.) There is so much more to the New Testament than just words. When I read it I can feel it, the compassion, the forgiveness, the divine love that oozes out of every page. The Jesus that I have come to know is everything of the above and then some. In my opinion the Jesus that I have come to know through the Gospel will not condemn Good people. This life is a test and if God gave us all the information it would not be much of a test that’s why there are so many different Christian religions and sects. Who is to say who is right and who is wrong. Each relationship with Christ is a personal one and if it is right for you well, then its right for you. Stay in the love & the light. God Bless.
  11. Peace genesis. You're living in a fantasy world if you're believing what you're saying in post 175. I'm sorry, but the truth does hurt sometimes. It's time to wake up is what I'm saying. It's all good man, but the reality is still the same. You must be born again to go to heaven when you die. Good people that are not born again will go to hell. Good people that are not born again are already condemned because of their unbelief in who Jesus is. (John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.) The whole book of Proverbs are lessons about wisdom. Whether you're (born again or not vs Proverbs) are completely different topics. The only way to have a personal relationship with Christ is to admit you're a sinner and accept Jesus as your savior. It's impossible to have a personal relationship with Christ without the holy spirit. Being born again is having the holy spirit indwell you. Get saved first, THEN follow Jesus. If you're not saved then you're just another Pharisee doing "good deeds". Peace be with you. I have never denied that I am a sinner and I accepted Jesus as my saviour a long log time ago and I have a relationship with Jesus equally as long . Can you tell me more about being born again I understand that being born again is being born again in Christ, and this is being christ like in every way. I’m confused are you saying that proverbs is wrong and is to be ignored because my topic is not about being born again my point is that you will be rewarded for good deeds as it says in proverbs. You are the one who brought up about being born again. Stay in the love & the light.
  12. Nope. That is not true. There is no purgatory, no second chances. Purgatory is a false teaching and not in the Bible. The problem with your view is that sin is not something you can pay for. Jesus died on the cross to pay your sin debt. To argue that you must go to purgatory to pay that debt yourself tramples the blood of Jesus underfoot and denies the all sufficiency of His sacrifice for sin on the cross. Purgatory says, "Jesus is not enough." Your view is simply not the biblical view. Hi Shilo357 I just quoted Matthew 5:23 to 26 and in my opinion this is the biblical reference to purgatory a place where you atone for your sins. Jesus is concerned about our souls he is not concerned about us going to court where we may or may not go to prison. With regard to Purgatory saying Jesus is not enough. Purgatory is for sinners who have not found Jesus so how it tramples on the blood of Jesus I don’t get that. . Jesus died on the cross to pay your sin debt. To argue that you must go to purgatory to pay that debt yourself tramples the blood of Jesus underfoot and denies the all sufficiency of His sacrifice for sin on the cross. I don’t understand what your point is here. Are you saying that I don’t have to ask forgiveness for my sins because Jesus already has paid my dept? When I see “no that’s not biblical” I just wonder are they reading it without hearts without love. There is so much more to the New Testament than just words. When I read it I can feel it, the compassion, the forgiveness, the divine love that oozes out of every page. The Jesus that I have come to know is everything of the above and then some. To be biblical is not just what is written in black and white. Just because it is not your point of view does not mean it is not biblical, Stay in the love & the light.
  13. No that's not biblical. John chapter 3 says you MUST be born again to enter heaven, and choosing to accept Christ MUST be made in this lifetime. No that's not biblical either. Hell is not in the Father's house in heaven. Hell is in a completely different place. Nothing defiled will enter the Father's house. Heaven and hell are two separate places. No that's not biblical. Good deeds do not get you into heaven. "Good people" still sin and fall short of God's glory. You MUST be born again of the holy spirit in this lifetime to enter heaven. Sinners will not enter heaven. If you are not born again then you are already condemned by God. (John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.) Your sin and unbelief of who Jesus is sends you to hell, sorry to burst your fantasy bubble however. - DRS81 Hi DRS81 peace be with you. My head is still spinning and I feel that my legs have been cut from under me. But before I reply to you biblical comments I have an issue with the way you replied. I must say I don’t feel the love in your reply. (sorry to burst your fantasy bubble. - DRS81) A put down comment like this is far from a Christian reply. A little advice, think on how Christ would reply, Anyway to get back to my quote. When I see “no that’s not biblical” I just wonder are they reading it without hearts without love. There is so much more to the New Testament than just words. When I read it I can feel it, the compassion, the forgiveness, the divine love that oozes out of every page. The Jesus that I have come to know is everything of the above and then some. In my opinion the Jesus that I have come to know through the Gospel will not condemn Good people. This life is a test and if God gave us all the information it would not be much of a test that’s why there are so many different Christian religions and sects. Who is to say who is right and who is wrong. Each relationship with Christ is a personal one and if it is right for you well, then its right for you. I have children and when my birthday comes around they get me presents based on what they think I would like, its not important what they get me but more importantly it’s the thought that goes in to it that counts. Now if you still insist that it’s not biblical I can quote scripture to back up my opinions, E.G (Proverbs 19:17 Whoever is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will reward them for what they have done.) If I never seen this passage from scripture and others I would still be saying the same thing because some times you have to go along with what you feel is right. It may not be right for you but that does not mean it’s wrong. I could quote more passages to support my point of view and I’m sure you could equally respond. But I refuse to go down that road. So don’t tell me it is not biblical because you think it’s not you have your opinion and I have mine the difference between us is I wont tell you you’re wrong because I respect your beliefs. Every person’s relationship with Christ is personal so you should not force your opinion on others. With regards to being born again I disagree with what you consider born again means. That does not mean that you are wrong it means that my opinion is different. With regard to Gods House that was an analogy Stay in the love & the light.
  14. I think after you die if you are not in a state of grace or if you do not accept Jesus you still have a chance of getting in to heaven. Let me explain. Jesus said there are many rooms in my father’s house. So I’ll compare heaven to a house. Let’s say there are twenty floors and many rooms on each floor the twentieth floor being where God resides. The basement is hell. Jesus said that John The Baptist was the greatest person on earth but was the least in the kingdom of heaven. So this leads me to believe that when you die you enter his kingdom on a lower floor. Which floor depends on what sort of life you led. Let’s say you enter on the left side of the ground floor and before you can go up to the next floor you must progress to the right side and when you go to the next floor you repeat the process. The R.C Church refers to this as purgatory. Jesus in Matthew 5: 23 to 26 23 "Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift. 25 "Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. (Prison being purgatory) 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny. To sum up if you don’t accept Christ you will not enter the penthouse. But I do think you will be given a chance. If a non Christian clothes, feeds, visits people in prison or hospital. (Leads a good life treating others with respect) It would not be truly just to send them to the same place as murders, rapists ETC. The way I have shown above is the only fair process and if anything Jesus is fair and merciful. In my opinion if it doesn’t make sense there’s something wrong. God Bless stay in the love and the light.
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