ProphecyKid

How someone interprets this is based on the system of prophetic interpretation they are using. If they are a futurist which most denominations subscribe to, they see most of Revelation being only pertinent to a future 7 year period. The preterist view most of Revelation if not all of it as being fulfilled by the second century. The historicist system which I believe sees Revelation as being fulfilled historically from the time right before John and right down to the end of time. The protestant reformers were all historicist and they understood this beast with 7 heads and 10 horns to be the Papacy. If you go to Daniel 7 and count up the heads of the 4 beasts listed and count all the horns the result is seven heads and ten horns. Revelation 13 is an expansion and continuation of the little horn mentioned in Daniel 7. Babylon is represented by a woman and in the bible, a woman has been using to represent a church in numerous places. This woman represents the false system of religion and worship which shall cause the masses to accept the mark of the beast. As for #3, just know that the Vatican was built on seven hills kinda like what Rev 17:9 talks about.

You must have a very interesting testimony. You said you were once a part of the new age movement?

I'm not sure if you correctly understand the issue. The bible is everything you said it was. This is about there being versions of the bible distributed that were tampered with and corrupted.

Well firstly don't overreact. The sad fact is that most christians don't care enough to investigate. They assume they already know what the case is and go by what has always been said, which is that they are all saying the same thing so it does not matter. I will post the first part of the presentation that explains the background behind how the scriptures as we have it came to be and who some of the editors were and what they believes and how the influenced some of the versions that we commonly use.

I watched an entire presentation on it. It really goes pretty deep. There are reasons behind many of the discrepancies and I'm not referring to the cases where its just about improving grammer. In the scriptures I posted, when you compare then you realize its not just a difference of grammer but its a different idea. I did not even show instances where sometimes parts of verses to entire verses are just ommitted.

Exactly.. Gnosticism which was one of the beliefs system that came up sometime to the end or not far after Paul's time denied specifically that Jesus came in the flesh. There is a reason for the specificity of the bible I believe some of the "mistakes" are intentional to support beliefs that the editors had that were not originally supported by the inspired words of God.

My point is that they largely do but in some cases they don't and the differences are significant. Take the first one. kJV says if one denies that Jesus came in the flesh, the others say Jesus is from God. Those are totally different. I didn't even post any examples of where some of the other verses totally left out verses. If its not a serious thing to you then I remind you that the bible warns against removing or adding anything to the scriptures.

Hey guys. Been doing some research lately into both the books that some claim were left out of the bible and also comparing many of the versions of the bible that use today. Here are just a few scriptures for comparison. Are these just grammatical differences or does it give a different meaning altogether? 1 John 4:3 (NIV) but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.(ASV) and every spirit that confesseth not Jesus is not of God: and this is the spirit of the antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it cometh; and now it is in the world already.(BBE) And every spirit which does not say this is not from God: this is the spirit of Antichrist, of which you have had word; and it is in the world even now.(NIV) but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.(KJV) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. I Timothy 3:16 (ASV) Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness:(BBE) Every holy Writing which comes from God is of profit for teaching, for training, for guiding, for education in righteousness:(KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:(ISV) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, Mark 10: 24 (NIV) The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!(CEV) The disciples were shocked to hear this. So Jesus told them again, "It's terribly hard to get into God's kingdom!(ERV) The followers were amazed at what Jesus said. But he said again, "My children, it is very hard to enter God's kingdom!(ISV) The disciples were startled by these words, but Jesus told them again, "Children, how hard it is for those who trust in their wealth to get into the kingdom of God!(KJV) And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 2 Peter 2:9 (ASV) the Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment unto the day of judgment;(BBE) The Lord is able to keep the upright safe in the time of testing, and to keep evil-doers under punishment till the day of judging;(CEV) This shows that the Lord knows how to rescue godly people from their sufferings and to punish evil people while they wait for the day of judgment.(KJV) The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: Revelation 22:14 (ASV) Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.(ESV) Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.(KJV) Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.(WEB) Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city. John 9:4 (ASV) We must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.(BBE) While it is day we have to do the works of him who sent me: the night comes when no work may be done.(CEV) As long as it is day, we must do what the one who sent me wants me to do. When night comes, no one can work.(ISV) I must do the work of the one who sent me while it is day. Night is approaching, when no one can work.(KJV) I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. Acts 13:42 (ASV) And as they went out, they besought that these words might be spoken to them the next sabbath.(CEV) As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the meeting, the people begged them to say more about these same things on the next Sabbath.(ISV) As Paul and Barnabas were leaving, the people kept urging them to tell them the same things the next Sabbath.(KJV) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.(WEB) So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. Daniel 3:25 (ASV) He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the aspect of the fourth is like a son of the gods.(BBE) He made answer and said, Look! I see four men loose, walking in the middle of the fire, and they are not damaged; and the form of the fourth is like a son of the gods.(ESV) He answered and said, “But I see four men unbound, walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods.”(KJV) He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. Mark 7:19 (ASV) because it goeth not into his heart, but into his belly, and goeth out into the draught? This he said, making all meats clean.(BBE) Because it goes not into the heart but into the stomach, and goes out with the waste? He said this, making all food clean.(CEV) It doesn't go into your heart, but into your stomach, and then out of your body." By saying this, Jesus meant that all foods were fit to eat.(KJV) Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?(LITV) This is because it does not enter into his heart, but into the belly, and goes out into the waste-bowl, purging all the foods.(DRB) Because it entereth not into his heart but goeth into his belly and goeth out into the privy, purging all meats?

Well the title might be adopted then but in 538AD the Emperor of Rome (Emperor Justinian) gave over his power to the Bishop of Rome making him the ruler of the state in addition to him being the leader of the church. Since the little horn rises up after the reign of the 4th beast had ended and the Pagan Roman Empire was broken up in 476AD, then its more plausible that the little horn power would have started somewhere around 538AD

So is there a connection between Daniel 2, Daniel 7 and Rev 13?

Billions of shares? That's unbelievable? Do you know how much money that can amount to?

Interesting article indeed. I was reading Daniel 2 with Daniel 7 which apparently is the same thing but with much more detail. About the 4th beast and thereafter it says: Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. If that article is correct and the iron clay mix is a church-state system like the Roman Catholic Church then how do we understand those verses from Daniel 7

Well in defence of Ezra the bible helps us understand this a bit. Dan 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. The fourth metal which was iron represents a kingdom according to Daniel's interpretation of the vision. So you can argue that the iron does not represent Rome, but you cannot argue that it does not represent a Kingdom because Daniel clearly tells us the iron represents the 4th kingdom.

I'm not wrong. What you expressed was an opinion and there is nothing wrong with you expressing an opinion. I am simply pointing out that it is in fact just an opinion. I want to get to the bottom of this and opinions are welcomed but it isn't authoritative.

That could be possible if indeed there was a recollection to share. I think it is clear however from the bible was that the belief in the OT and even at the time of Jesus and after was that men died and were in the grave until the resurrection and then would be resurrected. I mean Martha didn't believe that she would see Lazarus again when she died. She believed she would see him again at the resurrection. When did the view on this change?