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  1. from what i have read the growth hormones cause females to mature/age faster, and in males it causes prostate problems. I think i speak for all males when i say, I could really do without prostate problems due to a bite to eat. they tend to advertise heavy on no antibiotics used when they do use growth hormones. certain antibiotics are ok, such as Hygromycin B, which i have fed to my chickens. there is no transfer to eggs, only a three day withdrawal period for cull and eat, and its safe to give continuously and is ok for everything from canaries to ostrich, and it does them good in lots of ways. I do not think the chicken industry uses this tho. there are some stories i have heard from people using certain antibiotics that do transfer to the eggs and when they tried to incubate the eggs the chicks that hatched were deformed/mutant looking. I tend to agree with you on antibiotics and growth hormones being a much bigger problem... but i will also say I am no expert on the full effects... but what i have seen/heard it seems to be an extremely logical conclusion. I think most everything to eat in the stores these days are some way, somehow gmo.
  2. years back i read a report about gmo corn fed to lab rats for 5 generations and they began to have infertility problems. chicken feed is mostly corn and right now in the chicken industry there are cases of infertility problems. Not sure how wide spread it is. it is debatable whether its gmo corn or the growth hormones they pump the chickens full of. it would take someone a whole lot smarter than I am to figure it out. the chicken industry is pretty secretive and closed off anyway. anyone who wants to raise their own meat chickens and has done their homework knows this first hand as the standard white cornish, which is the ultimate terminal sire for meat birds, is only to be found in all of america from two places for sale to the public both of which are limited due to being private farms. and out of those two only one is really a viable option. everywhere else the white cornish is not standard breed but bantam. there is also a big controversy over if these chickens in the meat industry are gmo also, of which i do not really care. seems to me like a good chance of it since they are not available to the public, and they have some kind of patent on these chickens. because of gmo its also hard to find a lot of flowering plants, trees, and veggies anymore. they usually carry the title heritage variety or something like that. the new gmo stuff sold in stores do not do as well, some dont even make seeds. I also hear a lot of older ladies who are into gardening and flowers saying... you cant get those anymore. I am not really a fan of gmo. i can see a potential benefit in some applications such as the one you mentioned about boll weevils, but i would not participate in doing it if a job was offered to me.
  3. No. God is gentle. the issue comes up when people do not discern there is a time and season for everything. there are times when God does correct, and is very stern. which was the point of my post where you quoted me. when i was apprehended God was gentle also. there was another time/s where His voice was not pure love, and where His hands were not stretched out to me... but was very serious. and there are many out there right now who believe its only gentleness and grace and mercy all the time and so they do not take the sin they hold on to with the severity as they should, even the severity that the NT speaks of about God which many deny. and why do they believe this?... most likely because they were not taught correctly about who God is... they were given a watered down version. You cant compare when God is calling someone, when He is apprehending someone to when He is judging or correcting. that is not how we will come to the full understanding of God and His ways.. Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. therefore in His ways of love, mercy and grace, there is judgment. I think its also worth noting the word judgment does not always mean as in the book of lamentations judgment. and also... 1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. With God there is a severity, as per scripture. do you deny scripture?
  4. I have been hearing The Spirit say to the church in america for over a decade now... repent. Do you remember 2 Chronicles 7:14... how popular it was for a while? 2 years before that scripture became so popular God took me to it. right after 9/11 God took me to the book of Hosea... you see my signature? that is my favorite scripture in the whole bible... you know why? because in the midst of a people who had abandoned their God, who chased after prosperity, and wine, and whoredoms, and idols... God is there saying Here I AM... I love you and want a relationship with You... return to me. Now you go and read Hosea. study it. You tell me their society and todays society are different... they are not. todays society in america is just like in Hosea's day. and now you go study Hosea's contemporaries. you see what they said also. the people were warned. the people were told the truth. and now fast forward to today. and here is cletus saying get off the milk. here is the truth. here i am. you know, those who preach the truth have a rough audience. If we tell people whats wrong and they dont listen, it will keep getting worse. if we dont tell people whats wrong whose responsible? who will God say is accountable.... you knew it was wrong and you didnt tell them? what do you think I am doing in this thread? i know very well about Gods love, and mercy. and grace too. I was involved in witchcraft. satanism. delivered. into drugs... delivered. backslid, delivered again. grew up in a war zone... healed. I used to not be able to stay out of jail for more than 2 weeks on average. 2 months was a long stretch of freedom for me. I got apprehended in jail. and God thru all my waywardness stuck by my side and never left me... before i was saved when I was 4 years old and just had learned to read god showed me a scripture... for all the first born are mine... it speaks to the levitical priesthood, however at that time i was the only child... years later i was the oldest. God reminded me of this after he saved me.... He was telling me You are MINE, I have been with you thru all you life, all your heartaches and hardships.... which is more than I care to speak on ever. and even then... all those heart aches gave me problems in life to where i couldnt maintain. PTSD real bad... Today i can maintain, deal with others, keep a job, normal stuff. And I can tell you He has never failed me. His love has never run dry on me like the creek does. I even made the choice... the choice to walk away from Him and I told Him i didnt need Him... He took me back. He could have left me there... but He didnt. and what I say not about Gods love and mercy and grace to me is just a drop in the bucket, just the quick version. what i am telling people is to examine your heart. If you got sin you are holding on to judge it. Call it what it is... and be delivered. This message God has ben giving me piece by piece for over a decade. He sees whats going on. and people act like its nothing. Like its ok because of grace. and because people say things like what you have said in the post i quoted you on above. and just think about this for a few ticks... you said Gods patience was 400 years for the ammorites... right? well america has only been a nation for 239 Years. Grace does not change that people are holding on to sin and this displeases God. greatly displeases. it does not change that we have so many problems... over 50 percent of marriages fail... in the church... among christians. pastors addicted to porn, etc. sin is not ok because there is grace. grace is not a license to sin, or a permit to make it ok or acceptable. if you do not see God does judge it and expects we do the same of ourselves in the bible... you have some reading to do.
  5. who is preaching hell fire and brimstone? Whats being said in this thread is what Paul taught. What Jesus taught. what the bible says. A good portion of christians out there now do not know what the fear of The Lord is. They have never been in His presence like that. The bible speaks on this, a lot. and The Book says this is the beginning of knowledge/wisdom. So according to the bible people have not begun to Know or have wisdom. and this fear of The Lord is the beginning because it really opens your eyes, like golf ball size. This also is not really taught in churches much. and why? because some are to concerned about adding numbers than making disciples. more concerned about offending someone than telling them the whole truth. Is 66:5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed. tremble. does this sound like God is who many preach He Is today? where do you hear this? it is the truth about Him. When you are truly in His presence like this you are in awe, so great awe that words cannot explain it. When God corrects you, audibly with words, He does do it out of love... but your are trembling thru out your entire being. I suspect based on this scripture alone i only got a taste: Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: and let me tell you what He said to me: He just kind of hovered down, about the height of a short houses roof. I could not see Him, but I know He raised his finger and swept from one side to the other with His finger pointing up, and He said you see all this? and I looked. He showed me, in my heart, the beauty in the rocks, and dirt, and trees, and grass... the whole creation, he showed me the beauty in it as when He made it. it was like I saw it for the first time. i said yes and I was smiling. I didnt realize i was in trouble yet. then He showed me His awesome faith. that He can speak, and it is so. My eyes bugged out, my hands drew up and i began to rock back and forth. i was trembling. Then this awesome power God has switched, like it did a 180. and he can unmake it all. He raised His finger once more and said, Even You! His voice was stern. austere. I knew in that moment if He just spoke it my own mother would have no knowledge of me at all. He then proceeded to correct me on scriptures. He brought these scriptures from my heart to my brain. and then he would say and thats NOT what that means, Then He would put the meaning in my heart and my mind would perceive it. I was not allowed to speak freely, all i could say was I understand...I understand... then the next scripture. You see I had been attending a church with false teachings. After this I had asked God to give me truth, and I tell you of a certainty what i speak in this thread is what He has shown me. And He does very much care about His word, His truth, in us being properly understood and He does what us to know Him and His ways... and back to the OP... all His ways are Judgment.... and In Isiah 59 God said there is no judgment in any of the peoples goings. God expects us to do this. Its apart of growing up in Christ. does this sound like a God who says things like well Jesus paid for it all, faith plus nothing? Sounds to me like he does Judge it. there comes a time when we have to stop looking only at the blessings, and look at our responsibility... To God. The book tells us to stop sinning. in Galatians 5 it tells us how. God has given us every tool, every need met to do this. God desires us to live holy to Him, and not hold on to sin. The King has been very gracious and merciful, giving a span of time for people to repent. Many will be caught out in the rain without their garment.
  6. why... because there is nothing new under the sun. what did the people tell the prophets in the Ot... oh no, dont prophesy to us these things... only smooth things... and BLESSINGS. that is what i hear a lot of, these days... we dont want to hear about sin. we dont want to hear about Gods severity. we dont want to hear about that stuff... no judgment for me...(ME/self) this is the same as back then. people just want the blessings but they do not want the truth. they do not want the perfection/maturity. they want to stay sucking on a bottle wearing pampers. Even look what God told Job... gird up thy loins like a man. as long as christians allow sin to reign the church will remain ineffective because its The Holy Spirit that has the power. sinning quenches the Spirit.
  7. that is not what this thread is about. the point of this thread is so you wont have to find out the hard way. Judge it now. 1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. this is out of the new testament. not the old. how many times does it mention being perfect or perfection in the KJV? this word holds the meaning mature or maturity... in Christ. This thread is about our individual walk with God... how to get closer to Him. do you have any idea how many believers out there right now praise God daily... but they hold on to sin. they allow it to remain and reign in their heart... where God lives. and the whole time Jesus is there like a mother hen, wings stretched out for her chics... he is so willing to deliver us of our sins...but in all honesty, people dont judge it. they wont call it what it is. they continue in the flesh. and what does it say in Isiah 59???... the same thing that happens in our heart when we do sin and do not repent. the same thing. peace goes away... and keep on you dont hear from him anymore. but it gets even worse... soon enough if someone allows sin to remain they are not any longer available to God to use for his kingdom and will. he wont use them. he will get someone else. we have to be available. sin disqualifies us from this. all we have to do is call it what it is. confess it and He will cleanse us. his arm is not shortened, and His ear is not to heavy he cant hear. this thread and topic is about right here, right now... getting closer to God. examine your heart, cast down idols, deny the flesh and temptation, confess it... call it what it is... judge it. and be set FREE. step into his glory. this is the truth about Gods Love to us.
  8. 1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. thats out of the new testament. Paul wrote it.
  9. it is in the new testament as well... even in Pauls own writings... as you pointed out... behold: 1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. nothing has changed but the date.
  10. lots of people these days think God is only love, or only mercy and grace. and these are His ways... but in those ways is judgment. you see, the bible tells us God does not change, and even in this thread there is evidence of people saying the God of the OT and the NT are different. but God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Scripture tells us this. the purpose of this is also for people to really examine their heart... which God tried to get the people in the OT to do. This thread is a testament on why Jesus had to come and plainly explain things. There is more to God that what many churches preach these days. and if we continue to seek Him we will learn of this. If there was no judgment in his love and mercy and grace... it wouldnt be true love and true mercy and true grace. in Isiah 59 God said His is able to save and He can hear you... but the people didnt judge it. they didnt call for justice. its important for a christian to look in the mirror. but if we believe repentance is just changing our mind, or repentance isnt apart of the gospel, or our lifestyle doesnt matter... we wont judge it. we wont examine our heart so thoroughly. God has been revealing many things done in the shadows here lately. He is bringing it to light. This is something we need to take with much more than a grain of sand because obviously its important to Him. not only proven with scripture, but with what we see in the world today. if there be an argument its really because people want to continue to believe the things i listed above, they dont want to peel back those layers of an onion, called their heart. it might make them cry... but His ear is not to heavy it cant hear, and if we confess it He will cleanse us of ALL of it. If we are brutally honest with ourselves our flesh likes our sin, it likes to hold on to it. But God says to get rid of it. Really this thread is a call for some to wake up and smell the truth. And the scripture is there staring people in the face, and you can read thru and see... the truth is being denied.
  11. Yes. does The Book not say the blood of bulls was never sufficient? Yes, it does. Does God not say in the the OT His Right arm is not shortened... Yes it does, and who is seated on Gods right hand in scripture? behold the words of Agur... Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? The OT points to Jesus. even His crucifixion. The whole reason Jesus had to explain things clearly when He came was because people didnt get it in the OT, much like your words are showing now. they were looking at the wrong thing, which is what i am trying to explain to you. The OT is not all about judgment. not all doom and gloom. If you read the OT and see God only as a judge you are looking at the wrong thing... You are missing a lot in there. It helps if you are very familiar with scripture... in how God uses His words, he is very specific. Words are used all over that are the same... and have same topic. and we must "take it to heart" as the Book says also. The love of God is very present in the OT... even when He is giving judgment, not judging with words, but pouring it out. If you want to see Gods love in the OT a good place to start your study is the book of Hosea. and go ahead and jump in with both feet into the hebrew. if you do this you will be glad you did.
  12. you are missing it, and looking at the wrong thing. there are places in the OT that show Gods love better than in the NT.
  13. perhaps when he was calling Him. I was apprehended too. However, I have heard His voice not so gentle. very austere and stern.
  14. this is not true... you have to know what to look for and how to read it. example from OP: Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. Here God begins this judgment with ... look guys i can save you, I Am able... and If you confess it... if you judge it... call it what it is He will hear... Just like it says in 2 chron 7:14... just like it says in the NT if we confess our sin He is faithful. When Jesus came He had to explain a lot of things, to reveal them. this is due to people not understanding. If people did judge it in truth and ask as He says for knowledge and wisdom he would give it.
  15. we tend to hear a lot these days how God is just mercy and grace and love... just love, love, love. and people like it. it sounds good. but is this really who God is? let us take a look at God breathed scripture and see. Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. well wait a minute. where is the mercy and grace and love here? most of the time we hear about justice and judgment its holding negative connotation. is it not? and what of this judgment of God? I implore you... look this word Judgment up in the hebrew. It means what it says in english, and even more it means a verdict. a judgment. and it can even be used in the sense of a sentence(not a complete thought in words but what a judge gives). this word includes the act itself in the judgment. and here The Book says ALL His way are judgment. you do not have to wait till judgment day... He is already Judging our acts and words now... He does this for Himself and for us. now lets ponder this for a minute... all His ways are judgment. Jesus Christ became our sin, The Book says. a penalty was paid. Justice. the law was fulfilled... You see its because of Gods justice that we have this mercy and grace to us. He judges righteously. He will not at all acquit the wicked... all His ways are judgment/justice. For a christian its important to look in the mirror sometimes. its important for us to judge our actions and words compared to what God says is how to live. Its important that we strive to be like Him... to live Holy. so then let us set our heart to calling for justice. Behold God giving one of these judgments: Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. Isa 59:3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness. Isa 59:4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity. Isa 59:5 They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper. Isa 59:6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands. Isa 59:7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths. Isa 59:8 The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace. Isa 59:9 Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness. let us not walk in darkness... let us call for justice and let us judge righteously if we need to change or stay the course. let us take this serious, because this justice, this judgment is found in ALL His ways. Selah.
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