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  1. Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.
  2. Hows this one for after the fall?... See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; 16 In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it. 17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; 18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it. 19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: 20 That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them. Its out of Deuteronomy 30. People typicaly try to argue that this is under the law and no longer valid. However, it was the same in the garden, before the law, as it is in the above passage. after the fall. I really dont see how your point is valid that it was before sin. Why did God put it there if man was not to eat of it? God gave a choice then. Yeah, at one point no one had to die, but there was a choice.
  3. What does it mean to have free will? In genesis we can find there was two trees in the midst of the garden. In Deuteronomy God says He sets before us life and death, blessing and cursing. He even gives instruction to choose good and life. In every choice in life its life or death. Its up to us to say yes Lord... or no. And even if no, God is sovereign. God gives us the ability to choose.
  4. im surprized that no one is coming forward with personal accounts of how reading KJV has caused harm. Having such a large audience as the internet does.
  5. you have done a lot of talking and you have not made one solid claim on how the KJV does harm. recognize that your words retrospectively are not directed towards a king from the 1600's. your words are directed at what many believe to be Gods Written Word. and yet you still have zero proof and want to reference to Wikipedia and sit in judgment towards someone? Get out of here with that.
  6. wikipedia.... theres your problem.
  7. And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. edit: thats out of the KJV luke 18.
  8. then dont read the kjv. but please dont come on a christian forum with fake news and slander. KJV has been for a long time now widely used. and not to many scholars hold your view on the kjv doing harm. If you do your homework you will find that it is one of the more complete versions. no version is perfect. not one. and that is not even important.
  9. you seem to be hung up on this dude being bi. I have a kjv. God directed me and this bible together. it was a gift. Out of all the bibles i have, which is a lot, God speaks to me out of the KJV. weather or not the man was bi doesnt stop God from using it or bringing it into existence. its not very Christ like to point fingers. have you no sin? I speak and read english as my first language. I study Hebrew and Greek.
  10. I would prefer to keep my kjv.
  11. LoL. read the permissions for the facebook app that comes pre installed on your smart phone. then say you trust facebook.
  12. Lets say you were to give up, what would that solve? what good would that bring you? When we are weak God is strong. in romans 7 it says this... O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? God has a way of changing lives. God takes our shame and turns it into joy. if you are looking inside yourself to be able to not be reprobate-ish, its like a dog chasing its tail.
  13. there is no reason to try and nail it down for a time. Jesus said He didnt even know, no angel, no person, only The Father knows when. He gave us signs to watch for. He said he was coming back. The best thing to do is do like the five wise virgins and get extra oil for your lamp... because the groom may tarry.
  14. asking the question can a homosexual be saved? is very similar to asking is the cross sufficient? I know people who used to be homosexuals and repented and got saved. one of them is even a deacon in a church. I treat homosexuals with the same respect i treat anyone.... like I would want to be treated. Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. The above passage from john 8 has verse 8 underlined. I have always thought perhaps what Jesus wrote was their own sin.
  15. This is out of Romans 8: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.