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  1. It all depends on what they are thinking when they say it.
  2. Proverbs 25 Common English Bible (CEB) More proverbs of Solomon 25 These are also proverbs of Solomon, copied by the men of Hezekiah, king of Judah: 2 It is the glory of God to hide something and the glory of kings to discover something. 3 Like the high heavens and the depths of the earth, so the mind of a king is unsearchable. 4 Remove the dross from the silver, and a vessel will come out for the refiner. 5 Remove the wicked from the king’s presence, and his throne will be established in righteousness. 6 Don’t exalt yourself in the presence of the king, or stand in the place of important people, 7 because it is better that he say to you, “Come up here,” than to be demoted before a ruler. What your eyes see, 8 don’t be quick to quarrel over; what will you do in the future when your neighbor shames you? 9 Argue it out with your neighbor, and don’t give away someone’s secret. 10 Otherwise, the one who hears it will vilify you; the slander against you will never stop. 11 Words spoken at the right time are like gold apples in a silver setting. 12 Wise correction to an ear that listens is like a gold earring or jewelry of fine gold. 13 Like the coolness of snow on a harvest day are reliable messengers to those who send them; they restore the life of their master. 14 People who brag about a gift never given are like clouds and wind that produce no rain. 15 A commander can be persuaded with patience, and a tender tongue can break a bone. 16 If you find honey, eat just the right amount; otherwise, you’ll get full and vomit it up. 17 Don’t spend too much time in your neighbor’s house. Otherwise, they’ll get fed up with you and hate you. 18 People who testify falsely against their neighbors are like a club, sword, and sharpened arrow. 19 Trusting a treacherous person at a difficult time is like having a bad tooth or a wobbly foot. 20 Singing a song to a troubled heart is like taking off a garment on a cold day or putting vinegar on a wound.[a] 21 If your enemies are starving, feed them some bread; if they are thirsty, give them water to drink. 22 By doing this, you will heap burning coals on their heads, and the Lord will reward you. 23 The north wind stirs up rain, and a person who plots quietly provokes angry faces. 24 Better to live on the edge of a roof than to share a house with a contentious woman. 25 Good news from a distant land is like cold water for a weary person. 26 A righteous person giving in to the wicked is like a contaminated spring or a polluted fountain. 27 Eating too much honey isn’t good, nor is it appropriate to seek honor. 28 A person without self-control is like a breached city, one with no walls.
  3. I agree we need to keep praying. The weirdest thing I ever did when cultists came to my door was put them to work.
  4. http://www.newadvent.org/utility/search.htm?safe=active&cx=000299817191393086628%3Aifmbhlr-8x0&q=Eusebius+baptism+"in+the+name+of+the+father"+son&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A9&siteurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newadvent.org%2Fcathen%2F05617b.htm
  5. I followed the links for the above quotes. I could not find your quote from the Catholic Encylopedia, see links at end. But, I did find your one quote by (Proof of the Gospel by Eusebius). He did not write what you wrote or quoted. That came from a footnote. Not in the original text by Eusebius. " Matt, xxviii. 19. The verse is quoted thus seven times in the Demonstratio with the omission of the reference to Haptism and the Trinity. Conybcarc {Hibbcrt Jottnuil. i. (1902-3) p. 102), wlio holds that the reference was interpolated for doj^malic reasons, and was not fully assured in the text till after the Council of Nica-a, supports his view from the practice of Euscbius. This is the view of Kirsopp Lake, E.R.E. ii. 3S0 and Moffatt, The Historical New Test. 1901, p. 647. The historicity of the words as ipsissima verba is denied by Harnack, Clemen, and J. .\. Robinson, Enc. Bif>l., art. " Ixiptisni.' I"'rom the Acts taken literally it would be gathered that apostolic Baptism was simply in tlie Name of Jesus. —(Acts viii. 12-16 ; ix. iS; xxii. 16, etc.) But the threefold formula occurs in the Didachc, ch. vii., and is supported by Jusiin Martyr, Apol. i. 61 and Irena'us, who, however, bases it not on Malt, xxviii. 19, but on tradition. (.\. Harnack, History of Doi^iita, ii. 22.) The textual authority of the text as it stands is unassailable, ani' tlie problem is to reconcile it with the statements in Acts," on page 20 of your source. http://www.trinitytruth.org/proof-of-the-gospel_eusebius.pdf s there. Please provide exact page numbers in your quotes from the source you used. Thanks, Daniel These quotes below predate your claims, and the site does give links to the sources. " Ignatius of Antioch (ca. AD. 107-112) Irenaeus (ca. 130-200) Tertullian (ca. 160-220) Victorinus (ca. 270-303) Your quote below only appears in threads here, thus it is questionable until you prove it from http://www.newadvent.org/utility/search.htm?safe=active&cx=000299817191393086628%3Aifmbhlr-8x0&q="The+baptismal+formula was+changed from+the+name+of+Jesus+Christ+to+the+words+Father%2C+Son%2C+and+Holy+Spirit+by+the+Catholic+Church+in+the+fourth+century"&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A9&siteurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newadvent.org%2Fcathen%2F The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263: "The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the fourth century." https://www.google.com/search?q="The+baptismal+formula+was+changed+from+the+name+of+Jesus+Christ+to+the+words+Father,+Son,+and+Holy+Spirit+by+the+Catholic+Church+in+the+fourth+century"&filter=0&biw=1163&bih=483 http://www.newadvent.org/utility/search.htm?safe=active&cx=000299817191393086628%3Aifmbhlr-8x0&q="baptismal+formula was+changed"&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A9&siteurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newadvent.org%2Fcathen%2F
  6. I tried to separate unsuccessfully quotes from what I said in the last post. The Apostles Baptized by the Authority of Jesus as their Teacher. That is the meaning of "in the name of". Like it or not The Didache is history and represents what the Apostles taught. Some Churches back then considered it to be inspired and thus scripture. Some like myself date it to 110 AD. Besides Jesus himself commanded the Apostles to Baptiste in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We know that the Holy Spirit prays to other members of the Trinity in Romans 8:26 - 27 "In certain ways we are weak, but the Spirit is here to help us. For example, when we don’t know what to pray for, the Spirit prays for us in ways that cannot be put into words. 27 All of our thoughts are known to God. He can understand what is in the mind of the Spirit, as the Spirit prays for God’s people"  One would be insane to pray to themselves!!!!!!  Also, those who copied the New Testament were the same ones who made copies of the Early Church Fathers. If you don't trust early books like the Didache, then you have no logical reason to trust the New Testament itself because you think the well is polluted or poison. Matthew 28:18-20 Contemporary English Version (CEV) 18 Jesus came to them and said: I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth! 19 Go to the people of all nations and make them my disciples. Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, 20 and teach them to do everything I have told you. I will be with you always, even until the end of the world. Looking at the following texts an unbiased person will see that "in the name of" means basically by the authority of... Acts 2:38 Peter said, “Turn back to God! Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will be given the Holy Spirit. Acts 3:6 But Peter said, “I don’t have any silver or gold! But I will give you what I do have. In the name of Jesus Christ from Nazareth, get up and start walking.” Acts 3:16 You see this man, and you know him. He put his faith in the name of Jesus and was made strong. Faith in Jesus made this man completely well while everyone was watching. Acts 5:28 “We told you plainly not to teach in the name of Jesus. But look what you have done! You have been teaching all over Jerusalem, and you are trying to blame us for his death.” Acts 5:40 and they called the apostles back in. They had them beaten with a whip and warned them not to speak in the name of Jesus. Then they let them go. Acts 9:21 Everyone who heard Saul was amazed and said, “Isn’t this the man who caused so much trouble for those people in Jerusalem who worship in the name of Jesus? Didn’t he come here to arrest them and take them to the chief priests?” Acts 9:27 Then Barnabas helped him by taking him to the apostles. He explained how Saul had seen the Lord and how the Lord had spoken to him. Barnabas also said that when Saul was in Damascus, he had spoken bravely in the name of Jesus. Acts 10:48 Peter ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and they asked him to stay on for a few days. Acts 16:18 This went on for several days. Finally, Paul got so upset that he turned and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ, I order you to leave this girl alone!” At once the evil spirit left her. Romans 1:8 [ A Prayer of Thanks ] First, I thank God in the name of Jesus Christ for all of you. I do this because people everywhere in the world are talking about your faith. Hebrews 13:15 Our sacrifice is to keep offering praise to God in the name of Jesus. Genesis 21:23 Now I want you to promise in the name of God that you will always be loyal to me and my descendants, just as I have always been loyal to you in this land where you have lived as a foreigner.” Genesis 24:3in the name of the Lord, who rules heaven and earth, that you won’t choose a wife for my son Isaac from the people here in the land of Canaan. Genesis 31:53 My father Nahor, your grandfather Abraham, and their ancestors all worshiped the same God, and he will make sure that we each keep the agreement. Then Jacob made a promise in the name of the fearsome God his father Isaac had worshiped. Even pagans used "in the name of" phrase this way -- that being by the autority of.  Joshua 23:7 Don’t have anything to do with the nations that live around you. Don’t worship their gods or pray to their idols or make promises in the names of their gods. 1 Samuel 17:43 “Do you think I’m a dog?” Goliath asked. “Is that why you’ve come after me with a stick?” He cursed David in the name of the Philistine gods Esther 3:12 On the thirteenth day of Nisan, Haman called in the king’s secretaries and ordered them to write letters in every language used in the kingdom. The letters were written in the name of the king and sealed by using the king’s own ring. At once they were sent to the king’s highest officials, the governors of each province, and the leaders of the different nations in the kingdom of Xerxes. Esther 8:10 They were written in the name of King Xerxes and sealed with his ring. Then they were taken by messengers who rode the king’s finest and fastest horses. 
  7. "The Didache is also called the "Teaching of the Twelve Apostles." It was possibly written around 65 - 80 A.D. and is supposed to be what the twelve apostles taught to the Gentiles concerning life and death, church order, fasting, baptism, prayer, etc. There is debate as to its authenticity. The work is cited by Eusebius who lived from 260 - 341 and Athanasius 293-373. It seems to be referenced by Origen who lived from 185-254. In the Didache, 16:2-3 is quoted in the Epistle of Barnabas in 4:9, or vice versa.1 The Epistle of Barnabas was written in 130-131 A.D. The Didache is not inspired, but is valuable as an early church document. Translated by Charles H. Hoole." "For example, St. Clement of Alexandria considered books such as the Didache and I Clement as part of the canonical list of texts while later in the early fourth century, Eusebius the historian points out that James, Jude, 2 Peter, 2-3 John, and Revelation were sometimes disputed as parts of the New Testament"https://www.ocf.net/the-new-testament-canon/ The Apostles Baptized by the Authority of Jesus as their Teacher. That is the meaning of "in the name of". Like it or not The Didache is history and represents what the Apostles taught. Some Churches back then considered it to be inspired and thus scripture. Some like myself date it to 110 AD. Besides Jesus himself commanded the Apostles to Baptiste in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We know that the Holy Spirit prays to other members of the Trinity in Romans 8:26 - 27 "In certain ways we are weak, but the Spirit is here to help us. For example, when we don’t know what to pray for, the Spirit prays for us in ways that cannot be put into words. 27 All of our thoughts are known to God. He can understand what is in the mind of the Spirit, as the Spirit prays for God’s people" One would be insane to pray to themselves!!!!!! Also, those who copied the New Testament were the same ones who made copies of the Early Church Fathers. If you don't trust early books like the Didache, then you have no logical reason to trust the New Testament itself because you think the well is polluted or poison. Matthew 28:18-20 Contemporary English Version (CEV) 18 Jesus came to them and said: I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth! 19 Go to the people of all nations and make them my disciples. Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, 20 and teach them to do everything I have told you. I will be with you always, even until the end of the world. Looking at the following texts an unbiased person will see that "in the name of" means basically by the authority of... Acts 2:38 Peter said, “Turn back to God! Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will be given the Holy Spirit. Acts 3:6 But Peter said, “I don’t have any silver or gold! But I will give you what I do have. In the name of Jesus Christ from Nazareth, get up and start walking.” Acts 3:16 You see this man, and you know him. He put his faith in the name of Jesus and was made strong. Faith in Jesus made this man completely well while everyone was watching. Acts 5:28 “We told you plainly not to teach in the name of Jesus. But look what you have done! You have been teaching all over Jerusalem, and you are trying to blame us for his death.” Acts 5:40 and they called the apostles back in. They had them beaten with a whip and warned them not to speak in the name of Jesus. Then they let them go. Acts 9:21 Everyone who heard Saul was amazed and said, “Isn’t this the man who caused so much trouble for those people in Jerusalem who worship in the name of Jesus? Didn’t he come here to arrest them and take them to the chief priests?” Acts 9:27 Then Barnabas helped him by taking him to the apostles. He explained how Saul had seen the Lord and how the Lord had spoken to him. Barnabas also said that when Saul was in Damascus, he had spoken bravely in the name of Jesus. Acts 10:48 Peter ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and they asked him to stay on for a few days. Acts 16:18 This went on for several days. Finally, Paul got so upset that he turned and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ, I order you to leave this girl alone!” At once the evil spirit left her. Romans 1:8 [ A Prayer of Thanks ] First, I thank God in the name of Jesus Christ for all of you. I do this because people everywhere in the world are talking about your faith. Hebrews 13:15 Our sacrifice is to keep offering praise to God in the name of Jesus. Genesis 21:23 Now I want you to promise in the name of God that you will always be loyal to me and my descendants, just as I have always been loyal to you in this land where you have lived as a foreigner.” Genesis 24:3in the name of the Lord, who rules heaven and earth, that you won’t choose a wife for my son Isaac from the people here in the land of Canaan. Genesis 31:53 My father Nahor, your grandfather Abraham, and their ancestors all worshiped the same God, and he will make sure that we each keep the agreement. Then Jacob made a promise in the name of the fearsome God his father Isaac had worshiped. Even pagans used "in the name of" phrase this way -- that being by the autority of. Joshua 23:7 Don’t have anything to do with the nations that live around you. Don’t worship their gods or pray to their idols or make promises in the names of their gods. 1 Samuel 17:43 “Do you think I’m a dog?” Goliath asked. “Is that why you’ve come after me with a stick?” He cursed David in the name of the Philistine gods Esther 3:12 On the thirteenth day of Nisan, Haman called in the king’s secretaries and ordered them to write letters in every language used in the kingdom. The letters were written in the name of the king and sealed by using the king’s own ring. At once they were sent to the king’s highest officials, the governors of each province, and the leaders of the different nations in the kingdom of Xerxes. Esther 8:10 They were written in the name of King Xerxes and sealed with his ring. Then they were taken by messengers who rode the king’s finest and fastest horses.
  8. I did not doubt anyone had a dream or vision. I am pointing out that a dream is not sufficient proof because Joseph Smith also had a false vision that give us he Latter day saints false teachings.
  9. Isaiah 14:9-11 Contemporary English Version (CEV) 9 The world of the dead eagerly waits for you. With great excitement, the spirits of ancient rulers hear about your coming. 10 Each one of them will say, “Now you are just as weak as any of us! 11 Your pride and your music have ended here in the world of the dead. Worms are your blanket, maggots are your bed.”
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