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  1. thank you all for your attempts to help. My disappointment is rooted in the longing I have for the Lord to return so that the terrible suffering on this earth can be addressed and ended.The verses below are where my hope was centred. I held the hope that in our redeemed bodies WE would be the sons of God Romans 8 refers to and that creation would be set free by us - such a wonderful way to serve the Lord; bringing the world back into the healed state, ending suffering and pain, setting it, the people and the animals free from the suffering endured in THIS world. v23 is where I stood, waiting with eager longing for that adoption and redemption so that the task of healing the world could be begun through us as the sons of God creation looks for. That will still happen, but my dismay at realising that premillenialist expectations will not be met and we still have at least several years before the Lord might return is hard to take. Rom 8:19 for the earnest looking out of the creation doth expect the revelation of the sons of God; Rom 8:20 for to vanity was the creation made subject—not of its will, but because of Him who did subject it —in hope, Rom 8:21 that also the creation itself shall be set free from the servitude of the corruption to the liberty of the glory of the children of God; Rom 8:22 for we have known that all the creation doth groan together, and doth travail in pain together till now. Rom 8:23 And not only so , but also we ourselves, having the first-fruit of the Spirit, we also ourselves in ourselves do groan, adoption expecting—the redemption of our body;
  2. I have been a believer in a pretrib rapture for all of my Christian life - many years - and for the past twelve have been watching daily for our Lord's return. A few days ago I came across the passage in Rev 20 where it says that those that are beheaded and who did not take the mark of the beast are the ones that live and reign with Christ for a thousand years and that theirs is the first resurrection - which sounds like the rapture to me, which means, if that is so, that we have to wait at least another three and a half years for the Lord's return and have to go through the tribulation. The rest of the dead do not come back to life until the thousand years are gone. I really want to explain this away but I cannot. Can you help?
  3. 1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. When we were in the womb we had eyes, but there was little to focus on. Our eyes had rods and cones to distinguish shapes and colors, yet there were no shades or colors to see. We were in total darkness. But we had eyes that were meant to see light. Our eyes were the evidence that beyond the womb was a whole other world, still yet to be seen. As we dwell in this world, our hearts cannot be satisfied by the things they see here. Deep inside, we know there is more... and we long for it. This life is Heaven's womb. No matter what this world gives us, it can never satisfy what the eyes of our hearts long to see. It is here that we are being formed, and prepared to enter the realm of the Heavenly. Don't be discouraged that this this life can't give us all we want. It is a reminder of our inheritance yet to come. pat, let's give our desires to the Lord once again. He wants to prepare us to rule with Him! don't you think that is wonderful? It is EXACTLY how I see it as well, and it brought me to tears - so few see it, no-one in my church understands these things...they are the progeny of replacement theology, but I am looking for the Lord's return. Thank you George, you so often put your finger on the situation and bless us.
  4. thank you Kwik, so pleased that you agree with me about the Hebrew and yes, I agree wholeheartedly with what you say, and OneLight Thanks to you all for the comments and guidance you have offered. Qnts2 I think we are each talking about slightly different aspects in repect of 'soul' - but no matter, I have no desire to pull things apart or bicker. You are all very kind and I appreciate your efforts I would like to rest this thread now and prefer not to engage in further discussions, should there be any. Going back to my shady corner Pawz
  5. ps, thank you for your second response Qnts2 lovely to have these things so clearly set out - appreciated. I wrote the above before I saw that JDB you have written SO much, I feel quite honoured that you should go to all that effort to help me - thank you. Right now I have to go and do boring things like feed animals and husband, so cannot take it in. Instead I shall copy and paste it and add it to my scripture notes for future perusal. You are all a wonderful lot on here. Hugs all round
  6. Indeed Fez, and I understand why you are saying this - and I agree. Mysticism or esoteric knowledge is not what I am after, just accurate knowledge of what scripture is saying and what the symbolisms mean. Qnts2, thankyou for the balance of your response, I hear what you say and will seek to remember this good advice. What got me started on this journey was the offence I felt because, as I saw it, the translators were introducing their own bias into the translations of the Hebrew into Engliah. I feel strongly that God's word is GOD'S word, and should be translated to the nearest nuance possible to the meaning and context of the word in the original language. One example in Hebrew is the word 'nephesh', translated 'soul' ( 'vitality' in the abstract) in our bibles when in reference to mankind but when to an animal the translation given is always 'creature'. From this the understanding has been developed that we humans have something called an immortal soul whereas animals do not. My point is not to argue that animals do or do not have souls, but that an artificial difference has come into being because the translators decided that distinction should be made - moreover the 'soul' described in Hebrew is to do with the whole person, a breathing entity, not referencing some spiritual entity indwelling fallen man. That man does have something animals do not can be assumed because he is made in the image of God, but that supposition does not give men permission to change what the Hebrew word means to what they think it ought to mean, does it? Am I being too simplistic here? I understand that Hebrew is a picture-language and many words can have multiple meanings, but if the good Lord says nephesh means 'creature', by what justification does the translator change it to 'soul' when it is being applied to man, except from his own thinking? Did it ever connote 'soul' in the ancient Hebrew understanding I wonder? Anyway, that sort of thing is what got me going, in both Hebrew and Greek.
  7. John, Marilyn,to answer you without seeking to defend myself from the suggestion that I do not already know, and practice these things without it sounding like pride or self-justification is difficult. Enough to say that I am with you in these matters - you cannot know that because you do not know me, so it is good advice for which I should thank you and be appreciative of. When Christ met the men on the road to Emmaus, he interpreted the scriptures to them in a way they had not previously understood. These men, who knew the Hebrew scripture so well, did not actually see what was truly written there. I made it my business, many years ago, to go through each word of the Hebrew in Genesis 1-3, finding it's given meanings, analyzing it's structure, what the prefix and suffix indicated, how many times it occurred, what the repeated patterns of the verses indicated. I did not do a perfect job because I had no-one to teach me the grammar or about the points and the moods and tenses etc - but I learned so much that is missed in our English translations. Likewise the Greek, which I have also studied and still continue with - not to greatly advanced levels, but enough. That too gives different shades of interpretation to certain words and is helpful in gaining a more accurate understanding. That is where my interest lies - but not only that; there are questions about Creation, the Fall, Death, which are challenging. I feel we are missing something - and there is the wonder of numbers,and the creative power of God's spoken words and the Zodiac,and the Urim and Thummim, the meanings of the colours of the stones and the New Jerusalem, the correlations between the living creatures in Revelation and the Ezekiel passages, also the standards of Israel -so many symbols and patterns that can be found throughout the Hebrew scriptures.... I surely am not alone in wanting to know more about these things. I do believe that everything the Lord does is done with order and structure, and that is as true of His written Word as in Creation itself. My interest is in knowing more than my worthy KJV is going to be able to tell me on the surface - I have to dig the treasures of wisdom and understanding out for myself, as well as receive it from above, but if anyone has been there already and is willing to share, I am all ears....I hope I have explained a bit better now.
  8. thankyou John - I found this line The mysticism in Judaism and Christianity are misapplications of the hidden prophecies of the future. The messages were discovered but the proper keys for interpreting them were not applied very helpful - and the scriptures, of course Does anyone know what the 'proper keys' might be? I do not want to miss anything the Word has to offer. that will furnish us with wisdom and understanding whn reading scripture.
  9. thank you all. It would be a distraction and I don't think that book would give me the answers I am looking for anyway, if the gnostic page I was reading is indicative... it's the thought that there is something in the Hebrew that I am missing which was the draw... Fresno, you have brought out the scriptures I needed to hear. A hug
  10. well, went on a Gnostic page to read about the two Gardens and that is all about Kabbalistic interpretation, and I don't have the time, energy or desire to take a crash-course on Gnosticism or Kabbalah, so maybe I wouldn't understand it anyway....
  11. Hi, I was researching about scapegoats this morning, and Googled on Jewish History, and before I got much further in my quest, I got sidetracked by the mention of a book called 'The Secret Teachings of Moses'. It piqued my interest ( yes, that is the correct spelling dear US folk) as it said stuff like - 'Moses, the great patriarch in the heart of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, wrote the first five books of the Bible or Tanakh, perhaps the most influential books in Western history. Yet, because they were written in Hebrew, a highly symbolic and deeply mystical language, few have revealed the true meanings of the stories and events he described. When you know the Hebrew letters and the structures of Kabbalah, the secret teachings of Moses radiate with stark clarity, and echo throughout the entire range of Jewish and Christian scriptures, especially in the Gospels of Jesus. This book focuses on the second chapter of Genesis (Bereishit), which establishes the foundation of the Jewish and Christian religions. With this knowledge you can understand the true meaning of Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden, the presence of the serpent, and all of the rest of the teachings that follow these symbols. Yet, this is not merely scholarly theology: by understanding what Moses actually wrote, anyone can see the true basis of human suffering and how to change it. the two Gardens of Eden the various names of God within the Tree of Life the four Worlds the four rivers and the four Tattvas within the Garden the role of Lucifer within the initiatic process the true meaning of Adam and Eve the importance of the Hebrew letters within the Tree of Life and the role of the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. and it made me want to buy the book (though I cannot afford to at the moment), just to see what it said. I realise it is about the Kabbalah, and Gnosticism, and, yes, I am wary, but I am also curios and thirsty for deeper understanding of the scriptures and in particular, Genesis.' Does anyone have acquaintance with this book or with similar please, or a source that can explain these 'mysteries' in plain-speak?
  12. TUK, welcome, feel for you - awful situation. Follow Kwik's advice so you can get help and dialog and guidance soon.
  13. there is another aspect, perhaps not yet specifically mentioned, which is that if you get drunk, you are not in control of your mind or spirit anymore, and there are dark forces that will take advantage of that. I have seen this in a man who was seeking the Lord but was also addicted to alcohol and I have seen it in a member of my family when he was taking cannabis. To have the occasional drink at any age is surely not 'sinful' but to have so much that you are no longer YOU, cannot be pleasing to the Lord ( think Noah?) and leaves the door open to unwelcome influences.
  14. I am a meat-eater - though I would not be if I had to go and kill it myself, and I do agree with much of what has been said here, and with Sevenseas in particular. This conversation reminds me of something I experienced many years ago... Round here there used to be battery farms, and yes, they upset me. It is not right to treat livestock in this way, so, when an organisation called Compassion in World Farming, which had a base here made it known that some ex-battery-chickens needed good homes, I put my hand up. Apparently these birds were escapees. They go to the place of slaughter tightly packed in wire cages - I have seen the lorries passing by - and when they get there, they are yanked out by a wing or a neck - whatever, and being so mixed up together in the cages, more than one bird would be dragged out, and some, not being in the actual grip of a captor, would run away and shelter under pipes outside the factory. Apparently animal-rights activists would wait until nightfall and then go and catch as many of these birds as they could find before cold (no feathers), shock or a fox got to them, then they would put them in boxes and look for homes for them. Quite where CiWF came in wasn't made clear, but I asked for a box of chickens and I got one. Have you ever heard a chicken scream? I have. When I opened the box and peered in, they screamed, beaks wide-open and eyes staring. Don't tell me chickens only have the ability to remember for ten minutes because I will not believe you. Well, within a few weeks those chooks were growing feathers, learning how to scratch up all my plants, having dust-baths and generally doing what chickens ought to be able to do in their natural environment. The crowning achievement for me was when they came indoors for tidbits, and then, if I sat on the back door step and spread my skirt, one or the other would hop into my lap and settle down. These are God's creatures and it is our responsibility to treat them decently, through life and in death
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