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Last Daze

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    Those Days Will Be Shortened

    For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. Matthew 24:21-22 This passage is speaking of the time when the man of sin wages war against the saints for forty-two months. The forty-two months have been decreed and will not be shortened. It is the time of great tribulation that is shortened. If the unfettered persecution of the saints were allowed to continue for the full forty-two month duration, no flesh would be saved. In order to understand how those days are cut short, we need to look at the word that's translated "for the sake of." dia dee-ah' A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through (in very wide applications, local, causal or occasional). The days of unfettered persecution, or great tribulation, are cut short through the elect. Who are the elect? And how do they cut short those days? When Matthew 24:29 is compared with Revelation 6:12, we see that the great tribulation ends when the sixth seal is opened. This is also the time when God's judgment / wrath begins. God's judgment is brought about through the plagues which are attributed to the two witnesses. We also see that after the sixth seal is opened that the 144,000 are sealed. We don't know exactly what the 144,000 do but they just so happen to come on the scene at that time. It's possible then that the great tribulation is brought to an end through the plagues. People will be more concerned with their own welfare than they are with persecuting the saints. And those who choose to reject the mark and the image might find refuge among the 144,000. Just something to consider because cutting short the great tribulation for the sake of those who were martyred as a result of it just doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
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    3-1/2 year trib/ NOT 7

    Bad guy (false prophet, son of perdition, antichrist) is coming to deceive the world into thinking he is God. Don't believe him. Don't follow him. Reject him and his mark at all costs, even if means forfeiting your life. I think we can all agree on that. What I say to you I say to all, ‘Be on the alert!’ - Jesus Mark 13:37
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    3-1/2 year trib/ NOT 7

    Agreed. “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come." Matthew 24:9-14 The scope is global. It pertains to those who believe in Jesus. It happens after the global spreading of the gospel. It is an encapsulation of the time when the false prophet declares himself to be God (abomination) and the subsequent consequences of the mark and image decree. Those who don't worship the image are to be killed (desolation). The ill-prepared will stumble in their faith and choose to save their lives. May we all understand what's coming and be prepared to persevere in the faith until the end.
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    3-1/2 year trib/ NOT 7

    Maybe under the new covenant. The righteous have always been persecuted by those of the world. Abel was slain by Cain and on and on it goes.
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    3-1/2 year trib/ NOT 7

    The time of great tribulation: “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. Matthew 24:9-10 The time of great tribulation begins with the Abomination of Desolation: “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand) . . . For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. Matthew 24:15,21 This time of great tribulation, as it pertains to believers, ends when the sixth seal is opened: “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken." Matthew 24:29 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Revelation 6:12-14 The time of great tribulation takes place during the 3.5 years but does not last for the full 3.5 year war against the saints. It is cut short and the remainder of the 3.5 year war is considered tribulation, not great tribulation, as it pertains to believers.
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    Prophecy from 2Thes 2:3 happening now

    So, "the Son of man coming in His kingdom" is a reference to the risen Christ? Makes perfect sense to me. That may have not been the primary purpose of your post but it clicked when I read it. Previously, I thought it was a reference to the tranfiguration vision itself, but referring to the resurrected Christ makes more sense. And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Matthew 28:18-20 The victorious risen King and His servants.
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    Mark of the beast

    I've said my piece. The truth of God will prevail over the doctrines of men.
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    Mark of the beast

    When a simple reading of a passage leads to an understanding that contradicts something that's been stated by Jesus, something's wrong. Worshiping the image and taking the mark is committing the sin of idolatry which, according to Jesus, is a forgivable sin. When someone reads Rev 14:9-11 and comes to the conclusion that idolatry is unforgivable, that most certainly warrants a closer look. That may be true of the root in general but the passage in question uses a specific tense, transliterated as proskunountes. According to the source I use, this is the present, active form of the verb. The same applies to "receives" which is transliterated as lambanei. Here is a link to the NT Greek source I use. This is significant because it contradicts the idea that the past action of taking the mark seals one's fate. The idea that's being conveyed in Rev 14:9-11 is that those who receive the mark and worship the image are the objects of God's wrath, and that if they continue in that sin, they will be lost forever. Being able to repent of the mark and image harmonizes with what Jesus taught and is consistent with the Greek text. The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
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    What Really Is the Mark of the Beast

    There's something to be said for staying away from the "deep things of Satan" . . . But I say to you, the rest who are in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they call them—I place no other burden on you. Revelation 2:24
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    Mark of the beast

    Amen. “Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth." Matthew 5:5
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    What Really Is the Mark of the Beast

    Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is speech that comes from a heart that is irreversibly hardened against the truth. The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart. Luke 6:45 The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin. When convicted, people will either repent or harden their hearts against the truth. If a person persists in rejecting the Spirit's conviction, He will cease striving with that person and their heart becomes irreversibly hardened. Only God knows when that point is reached. It's unforgivable because repentance is required for the forgiveness of sins. Those who fail to repent when convicted by the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven because they have rejected the only way of salvation.
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    What Really Is the Mark of the Beast

    Not true. “Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven." Matthew 12:31
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    Mark of the beast

    I've explained this before but am happy to do it again. Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” Revelation 14:9-11 The verbs in red do not speak of an action that has happened at some time in the past. The tense of those verbs indicates an activity that is taking place in the present. If those verbs were referring to an activity in the past, don't you think it would be translated "worshiped" and "received" instead of worship(s) and receives in order to indicate a past activity? If you're serious about understanding the intent of the above passage, do a word study on those two verbs. What the above passage is stating is that those who receive his mark and worship the image are the objects of God's wrath. I think we can both agree on that. But given the tense of the verbs, the eternal punishment is for those who persist in worshiping the image and utilizing his mark to the end. The eternal punishment is for those who refuse to repent of worshiping the man of sin.
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    Mark of the beast

    I agree that there will be a great multitude of believers who will not be deceived. That doesn't mean that all believers are impervious to being misled. Look at all of the false teaching in the church today. You think that somehow these people are going to snap out of it when the man of sin comes with all the deception of wickedness?? There's a reason we're exhorted over and over to stay awake and be on the alert. What totally goes against scripture is teaching that idolatry is an unforgivable sin.
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    End Time Topics

    For me, its a matter of preparation. If you don't know what's coming, how well prepared can you be for it? We are told ahead of time what to expect for a reason. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. Behold, I have told you in advance. Matthew 24:24-25 We should all do what God is leading us to do that His name may be glorified.
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    Mark of the beast

    I have to admit that I've never heard that interpretation before.
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    Mark of the beast

    I was debating on whether or not to make a similar statement. One of the arguments being made against being able to repent of the mark was that people would then think it's okay to take it. If a person thinks its okay to sin and is in the habit of justifying their sins then no amount of "don't touch that" will be an effective deterrent. Given the prevalence of the Laodicean church in western culture, I guess such a statement does need to be made.
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    Mark of the beast

    Do you think that Jesus is going to deny Peter before the Father? Why or why not?
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    Mark of the beast

    Exactly! It's perplexing as to why some embrace a double standard concerning forgiveness.
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    Mark of the beast

    The flip side of that coin is that people double-down on their errant decision because they're convinced that they can't repent. Either idolatry is a forgivable sin or it is not. According to the words of Jesus, it is. He doesn't change horses in the middle of the stream. The mark and the image are to be avoided at all cost, even death. Those deceived into receiving his mark and worshiping the image are guilty of the sin of idolatry. The plagues will convict them of their sin. Those who respond to the conviction of the plagues and repent and reject the man of sin will be forgiven of their idolatry, according to the words of Jesus. Truth is truth. Overstating consequences or embellishing the truth serves no useful purpose. Ask Eve.
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    Mark of the beast

    No believer who is walking in the Spirit will be deceived. The lukewarm and ill-prepared, however, will lack discernment. Be on guard, so that your hearts will not be weighted down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that day will not come on you suddenly like a trap. Luke 21.34 It's not for no reason that Jesus exhorts us over and over again to be ready and on the alert for His return. Not according to Revelation 13. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life. Revelation 13:14
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    Mark of the beast

    I don't want to turn this into an OSAS debate but being snatched from the hand of the Father is not the same as voluntarily leaving. That's what they do. They deceive. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:21-23
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    144,000?

    I tend to agree. Like many things in scripture, there is both a natural and spiritual view of things. We are no different. The timing of the 144,000's mention fits well with the understanding that they will be proclaiming the gospel of repentance for the forgiveness of sins during the time of the plagues.
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    Troops out of Syria..

    Precisely!
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    Mark of the beast

    Ultimately, I agree. The plagues will expose the false prophet as a fraud who isn't God and doesn't have authority over creation. And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you." Matthew 24:4 We're not immune to being misled which is why we are exhorted to stay awake and be ready and alert.
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