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Last Daze

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  1. Hey Joe. That's the correlation that I find particularly interesting. And with the understanding that a plague is comprised of a trumpet (beginning) and bowl (ending), the seven plagues are contained within the seventh seal. It's the same construct that's used in Jericho. There are seven. And within the seventh, there are seven.
  2. The conquest of Jericho has an interesting correlation to end time prophecy. You shall march around the city, all the men of war circling the city once. You shall do so for six days. Also seven priests shall carry seven trumpets of rams’ horns before the ark; then on the seventh day you shall march around the city seven times, and the priests shall blow the trumpets. Joshua 6:3-4 The men of war were to circle the city once for six days and then seven times on the seventh day. This is a similar structure to the seals in Revelation where the seals correspond to days. There are seven. And there is another seven within the seventh. In the case of Jericho, they were to march around the city seven times on the seventh day. In Revelation, the seven plagues unfold when the seventh seal is opened. When the seventh plague takes place, the walls of Satan's kingdom come crashing down. There are other interesting parallels between Jericho and the end times but the pattern of "Jericho days" corresponding to "Revelation seals" is what I found to be most interesting, and it also helps in visualizing a difficult chronology of events.
  3. This is an important aspect of Revelation to understand. If all of the time frames mentioned are forced to run consecutively then we'd have this: 5 months - Rev 9:5 42 months - Rev 11:2 1260 days - Rev 11:3 1260 days - Rev 12:6 a time and times and half a time - Rev 12:14 42 months - Rev 13:5 Obviously, some if not all of the above time frames are taking place at the same time. The challenge is to find clues as to how they should be arranged. And outside of Revelation, we have: a time, times, and half a time - Daniel 7:27 a time, times, and half a time, 1290 days, 1335 days - Daniel 12:7, 11-12 which are also viewed, almost unanimously, as end time prophecies. Small wonder that there are so many views on how things will come to pass. One thing for sure is that the sequencing and chronology of end time events will come to pass according to the will of God regardless of how we personally perceive that things will happen. We are exhorted numerous times to be ready and alert for those days . . . for a reason.
  4. Not exactly an accurate statement. But he answered, ‘Truly I say to you, I do not know you.’ Matthew 25:12 He doesn't say that He never knew them, only that He did not know them at that point in time. The foolish virgins brought lamps with oil, just not any extra for the long haul. Last trumpet on the last day. Endurance. Perseverance. Extra oil. The message is clear.
  5. I'm gravitating toward that view myself. Wouldn't it correctly be referred to as the day of the Lord? With the 1000 year reign of Christ taking up most of that day?
  6. Yes, His death on the cross was the culmination of a life given over completely to do the will of the Father. We are likewise exhorted to follow His example. Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. Matthew 16:24-25 Those who are a part of the kingdom of God should seek to serve their King. We should sacrifice our own desires for the purpose of knowing and doing His will.
  7. I started the following topic last year which would be a good place to continue a discussion on the millennial - day theory, if you're so inclined. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/210220-millennial-day-theory/
  8. I'm not sure that physical martyrdom can be separated from spiritual martyrdom. As I see it, the decision to choose physical death rather than deny the faith is an extension of a life of spiritual martyrdom. I'm not sure that you can have the former without the latter. Something to think consider. Is there any mention of such a trumpet in the OT? I'd be interested in your thoughts on this thread:
  9. We definitely know that those who were victorious over the mark and image will be raised immortal when Christ returns, the great many of which will have been martyred. That much is plainly stated. When taken in conjunction with 1 Corinthians 15:23, the rest of those who are Christ's will also put on immortality at His coming. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Galatians 5:24 Spiritual martyrs. Those who have denied themselves and taken up their cross to follow Jesus. The first resurrection does appear to be limited to martyrs, both physical and spiritual.
  10. I agree that the end of Satan isn't until after his 1000 year incarceration. It is his kingdom that is destroyed at the return of Christ and I don't ever see it returning to what it was. We read in Rev 12:9 that Satan and his angels were thrown down to earth but in Rev 20:1-3, we only hear of Satan being cast into jail. We are told that one of his angels, the beast, is cast into the lake of fire. So while Satan may again lead a rebellion of the unrighteous against the righteous, his kingdom and its exercise of dominion over the earth is destroyed when Jesus returns. Based on your explanation of the last day being the millennial kingdom, I do now see that that is more likely what Jesus was referring to in John 6, the time of restoration. The last day of Satan's kingdom is more of an aspect of ushering in the last 1000 year day.
  11. Yes, that fits in perfectly with how I understand the Day of the Lord. Jesus returns on the day of the Lord and puts an end to Satan's rule (Satan's last day). ALSO, the return of Jesus is the beginning of the last day as in 1000 year prophetic day. Never saw the millennial reign as the "last day" before. Thanks for that. It makes perfect sense.
  12. I agree that the term "last day" is a bit ambiguous which is why I think it helps to link it to the return of Christ. I find it interesting that Jesus speaks of the last day as if His audience understood the reference. No one asked Him to clarify and Martha indicates that she was familiar with the idea. Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” John 11:24 We don't know how accurate Martha's perception of the "last day" was but she was at least familiar with the concept. Maybe she's just echoing what she heard from Jesus earlier or maybe the idea of a last day came from the prophets. When you look at how prevalent Satan's demise is in prophetic scripture, it's not a stretch to see it as an understood "last day" when the time of restoration would begin. My view of "those days being cut short" is that it is a reference to the days of great (intense) tribulation not lasting for the full duration of the 42 month war against the saints. The war against the saints continues for the full 42 months but not with the same intensity as when it began.
  13. I agree. 1 Corinthians 15 lists the three times that putting on immortality takes place. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. vv 22-24 Christ the first fruits - This took place at His resurrection. The more I reflect on Matthew 27:52-53, the more that I think that this first instance of putting on immortality includes old covenant saints, along with Jesus, as first fruits. Those who are Christ’s at His coming - This is going to take place when Jesus returns. Those who are Christ's will put on immortality. By definition, those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with it's passions and desires, according to Galatians 5:24. This immortal resurrection includes those who are victorious over the beast, his mark, and the image as you point out. This group is made up of new covenant believers from all nations, Jews and Gentiles. This is the main harvest. The end - This is after the millennial kingdom and after Satan is released and dealt with. This is when the sheep are separated from the goats and the kingdom is handed to the Father.
  14. Jesus states four times in John 6 that the resurrection of the righteous will take place on the last day. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. v39 For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day. v40 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. v44 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. v54 It is also stated in 1 Corinthians 15 that those who are Christ's are raised immortal at His coming. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming. v22-23 Since it is stated that the resurrection of the righteous takes place at Christ's coming, and also stated that the resurrection of the righteous takes place on the last day, it's reasonable to conclude that Christ's coming takes place on the last day. The question is, "the last day of what?" To find the answer to that question, all we have to do is see what ends when Christ returns. Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. Revelation 20:1-2 Satan's kingdom is destroyed and he is thrown into angel jail. His nearly 6000 years of influencing the human race is over. The time of restoration spoken of by the prophets begins when Jesus returns and the righteous put on immortality. There is only one return of Christ and it happens on the last day.
  15. Read John 6. I don't want to derail this thread so that's all I'm going to say about it.
  16. No, its not faulty. I agree that our gathering together to Him takes place on the day of the Lord, and that the day of the Lord is a day of wrath, but those don't speak to timing. If you'll notice, I said "timing markers." Being the last of something indicates a place in a sequence, a relative timing. Last trumpet on the last day. Explicitly stated. Undeniable.
  17. The only two timing markers that we have for the rapture are: the last trumpet - 1 Corinthians 15:52 the last day - this is reiterated 4x in John 6 If someone really wants to know the timing of the rapture, they should seek to understand the meaning of the last trumpet and the last day. This may be of interest:
  18. I can't find anywhere that the return of Jesus is referred to in the plural. There is no mentioning of the "comings of Christ" or "returns of Jesus" mentioned in scripture, unless I missed something. 1 Corinthians 15:23 states that those who are Christ's are made immortal at His coming.
  19. There is merit in understanding the things to come. Behold, I have told you in advance. Matthew 24:25 So, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Matthew 24:33 Otherwise, I doubt that Jesus would have said these things.
  20. Have you considered translations where the 24 elders aren't referring to themselves as having been redeemed? From the NASB: And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. “You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth.” Revelation 5:9-10
  21. Can you list scripture references for a great revival and when it will take place?
  22. I agree but don't think that that precludes a brief backstory.
  23. My view of chapters 4 & 5 of Revelation is that it is a before & after approach that's used to show the worthiness of Jesus. The pivotal event is His death and resurrection. Before Jesus lived His life of perfect obedience to the will of the Father, there was no one found worthy to be given the dominion that Adam and Eve lost to the usurper, Satan. After His death and resurrection, He was found worthy and was given all authority in heaven and on earth. The 24 elders are present in the throne room when no one was found worthy to open the scroll so they were there before the Word became flesh and overcame the world. As to who the 24 elders are, it's not clear. They could be spirit beings like the watchers, or they could be OT representatives. The only thing clear to me is that they were there before the new covenant began and can not represent the church.
  24. Or it could be reminiscent of the Exodus.
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