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  1. On 4/13/2024 at 9:42 PM, BlindSeeker said:

    For the most part I agree. But in regard to prophetic significance for the last days, I see it as the religious mother of harlots which has sat upon all seven mountains and seen to be riding the beast (IMHO, the 8th and last prophetic great empire) in chapter 18. I feel that this union is prophetically significant of an unholy matrimony between the apostate religious system (whore) and the civil empire (beast).  I do not see them being separated in judgment or destruction.

    The beast and his 10 horns destroy the harlot.

    The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.  Rev 17:16

    Have you considered the dual nature of "Babylon"?  There are two Babylons that are destroyed in Rev 17 & 18.  One is the harlot, apostate Israel, which leads to the rise of the man of sin.  The other comes later at Christ's return and is Satan's kingdom.  One takes place in an hour when the 10 horns receive authority as kings.  The other takes place in a day, the day of the Lord, at His return.

     

  2. 8 hours ago, The_Truth_Seeker said:

    I like to see how others see this verse, but what does this sound like? 

    Lately I have come across something very interesting, something called  "BDS Movement" (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions).  The manner in which Rev 18.11-13 describes the details appear to give the impression that "Babylon" has been subjected to some form of "retaliation" on a economic scale? Could we be looking at sanctions or embargoes? 

    There must be some reason as to why no one wants to do business with the entities (whether it be individuals or companies) concerned? 

    I have heard theories about USA being Babylon, and even China, but I don't think it is either of them. That is my opinion anyways.

     

     

    It's important to realize that Babylon is primarily spiritual.  It is the effect of Satan's kingdom on the human race.  It started in the Garden of Eden and will continue until the return of Christ.  Along the way, it manifests itself in different ways in the natural realm, the city and tower of Babel being its namesake.  In the last days, it is pictured as a harlot, the symbolism most often used of apostate Israel.  Apostate Israel in these last days resides primarily in western culture.

    The beast and his ten horns bring down the harlot according to Rev 17.  The rest of the world is wising up to the harlot's monkey business and are being guided by the beast and his horns to being about her demise.  It will be a multi-faceted takedown led by Russia and China.  And, yes, there will be an economic aspect to it.

  3. 6 hours ago, tatwo said:

    It is in this…that we see the “man of lawlessness…taking his seat in the temple of God””displaying himself as being God.” Of course at some point this one is no longer in “temple of God” in Christ.

    I like to refer to this passage:

    Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses."  Matthew 23:1-2

    to point out that that "taking his seat" can be used as a metaphor for "assuming the authority of."

  4. 2 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    I don't view it so much as taking liberties, more of purposing not to lock myself into a common mindset on things.

    Like "the whole earth" or "whole world" often means nothing more than the whole land of a state or nation, or the whole known world. This is evident when Paul asked the questions"Has not their word gone out through all the world?" 

    Or when we hear the phrase up to heaven, let it too can be merely allegorical as is evident from Deuteronomy 1:28, "The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven." 

    Likewise, using the term beast, dragon, and serpent, or serpents and vipers, have all been used elsewhere in scripture to mean a variety of things from rulers, spiritual leaders, authorities and powers spiritual, like the Lord doesn't speaking to Ezekiel to prophesy against Pharaoh, "Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lies in the midst of his rivers, which has said, "My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself."

    Or, as in Isaiah 27:1 "In that day the LORD with His sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea."

    Surely, the prophecy is layered, and indeed speaking of the devil. But because of verse 6 in that chapter, that "He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root and Israel shall blossom and blood and fill the face of the world with fruit," that the verse is also speaking about the slaying of the Babylonian leadership to set free the captives to return and rebuild Jerusalem in the temple. And in this passage the "sword" would would then be the Medo/Persia empire.

     

    Psa 17:11-14 - They have now compassed us in our steps: they have set their eyes bowing down to the earth; 12 Like as a lion that is greedy of his prey, and as it were a young lion lurking in secret places. 13 Arise, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is Thy sword: 14 From men which are Thy hand, O LORD, from men of the world, which have their portion in this life, and whose belly Thou fillest with Thy hid treasure: they are full of children, and leave the rest of their substance to their babes.

     

    Would appreciate hearing your thoughts...

    I see what you're getting at and I'm not saying that either of us is necessarily right or wrong.  We just have different ways of going about understanding prophetic scripture.

    I see America in prophecy inasmuch as she and western Europe have embraced the harlot (apostate Israel), something that the beast and his 10 horns will destroy.  You see America as an 8th beast (if I understand correctly).

    I think we both agree that America will come under judgment and sooner rather than later.  Her corruption is terminal and it would behoove us all to prepare for a time of great tribulation.  How God speaks this message to individuals is the work of His Spirit. 

  5. On 4/5/2024 at 5:55 AM, tatwo said:

    Think temple...the "holy ones" who were "measured" by the "rod like staff" and found worthy are in the most Holy Place vs.1...and those found "not" measuring up to the same standard of those in the most holy place...are the "tares, goats, 5 unwise virgins, those who have a form of godliness but deny its power, nations, heathens."

    And when it comes to "holy city" there's this:

    But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect.  Hebrews 12:22-23

    Contrasted with Babylon, the city of spiritual wickedness.  The events of the end times, regardless of how one interprets them, will separate the wicked from the righteous.  The wicked will be destroyed and the righteous will inherit the earth.

  6. 13 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    However, with all the imagery and symbolism, I personally find comfortable room to view the word “abyss” allegorically, as a state of hopeless eternal condemnation with indeed will come to a consummation, that being inescapable eternal-torment in a lake of fire.

    There are several liberties you take that I don't feel comfortable with and I think this leads to our divergent views.  Ultimately, it will work out according to the will of God.  Ours is to be ready, to pray for the strength to endure the things that will occur during the time of great tribulation, should we live that long.

  7. 8 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    Brother, 

    First, please forgive me if I am missing some of your questions. If so, please feel free to re-ask them.

    In answer to your question here, it is just a habit of mine to liken the empires in Holy Writ as beasts, just as the Holy Spirit has so often in His unction of giving forth the various prophecies concerning empires. So, since empires 3-6, Babylon, Medo/Persia, Greece, and Rome were called "beasts" in the Book of Daniel, in my mind it is just easier to carry the noun all the way through to this prophecy’s conclusion, the eighth. I could have perhaps said “mountains,” since the angel mentions the seven heads as such, yet still, heads 3-6 were indeed elsewhere called beasts, and I believe the eighth is here also being prophetically represented by one.

    For I believe that the Rev. 13"1 beast is the eighth, and the whole section of prophecy from 13 to the end of 18 is about the annihilation of the eighth, America, as well as those tangled in the Mystery Babylon Luciferian religious system, which being filled with confusion and chaos, functions under many banners. Hence, the harlot which has sat upon all the seven mountains throughout bible history, opposing God and His truth throughout the ages whereby history is riddled with many pagan religions and idols, even the worshipping of [fallen] angels as gods, on to Islam, and into New Age and such…

    But I also believe this spiritual warfare has continued to diversify in its agenda, and that through the propagating of more and more harlots, hence the term Mother of Harlots. In Christendom, we might see the "mother" in Catholicism, and the "harlot" in all those that shot up through the reformation.

    In my perspective, I think if anything, a “restoration” of the purity of the preaching of the Gospel would have been better than a “reformation” of the church, which then was predominantly Catholic. (And I am sorry for all the toes I might have just stepped on, no malice intended.)

    But yet, we know historically that there were those resisting the apostacy of the Catholic church, and this is evident in the crimes, horrors, and atrocities committed by the Catholic church under banner of "contending for their faith," an apostate faith. All this has been recorded in history. But “who” were they persecuting again, true saints unwilling to acknowledge the apostasy being promoted as the truth of the Gospel, whereby many were torture, beheaded, or burned at the stake.

    Yet from the very beginning this persecution has been waged, and that through many avenues, starting early with the Jews themselves, and getting a huge kickoff with Nero in Rome, and has continued throughout history - into the various inquisition" from the late 1100's, and into I believe early 1800's. 

    While I have considerable respect for the puritans and many of the reformers, not all of them continued to completion their exit from the errors of Catholicism, for some chose to hold on to certain things that truly should have been left behind. We can see this in how many of them are even now speaking of returning to "the mother church," as well as the compromising of the Gospel in their pulpits nowadays.

    All that said, your question, "why doesn't the imagery show it as such," that there is an eighth, again, I think that is what we are being given within the whole section of prophecy from 13 to the end of 18. In 13:1 a multifaceted prophetic image in the form of a beast (the 8th) rises from the sea of humanity which ultimately is seen to eventually yield itself to an apostate religious spirit (represented by it being ridden by the harlot).

    As stated earlier, this, IMHO, is a covenanted relationship, whereby through an unholy union the 8th and the harlot become as one in the judgment and outpouring of wrath of God.

    But as far as the abyss, the bottomless pit, I truly believe it is not speaking of an actual place, but rather a condition of eternal condemnation. Contrasted with the saints who will never die, there are those entities who have committed sins unto death who will never have the extension of God’s grace or mercies. That even though they might have been temporary beneficiaries of God’s forbearance for His own purposes, forgiveness and reconciliation was never extended to them, these of course being the fallen angels. I touch on this in chap 20 of my book, touching on how God was “Justified in the Spirit.”

    If what I am presenting, a condition of eternal condemnation being prophetically represented as an abyss, a bottomless pit with no end or hope to be had from one’s fallen state, then we can see how this apostate religious system which has been warring against literal Israel, and spiritual Israel, from the beginning has been in that state from the beginning. And just was Israel “was, and was not, and yet is” once again a thriving nation because they are “beloved for the fathers sake,” meaning God who cannot lie, has kept His covenants with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob” and has preserved the lineage, with the assurance “a remnant shall be saved.”

    Just contrast that with prayer thought and consideration of these previous seven empires upon which this apostate religious system has managed to manipulate empires and thrive in its warring against the saints.

    I’m sorry, it’s late, and I have obligations tomorrow that oblige me to cut it short.

    I will try and catch up later, probably in the evening as my family came into town today as well.

    Blessings

    Thanks for your thoughts.  Revelation 20 describes the abyss as a place, a prison where Satan is cast for 1000 years.  Eternal condemnation is the lake of fire.  

  8. 4 hours ago, Michael37 said:

    I believe the imagery does show exactly that the seven mountain-head-kingdoms are basic to an eighth kingdom that is an extension of them. Notice the use of personification.

    Rev 17:9-11  Here is the mind that has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.  (10)  They are seven kings. Five have fallen, the one is, the other has not yet come. When he comes, he must continue a little while.  (11)  The beast that was, and is not, is himself also an eighth, and is of the seven; and he goes to destruction.

    This is where it is crucial to understand that these kingdoms have a supernatural and a natural aspect to them.  Reference Daniel 10 where it talks about the supernatural princes and kings of Persia and Greece. 

    The mountains represent risings of supernatural influence that lead to earthly kingships.  That's why the seven heads are viewed as both seven mountains and seven kings.

    When the beast was released from the abyss, he spawned the feet of iron and clay, a multi-national world government we call the U.N.  Since there is no king running the UN, the beast (an evil angel) is functioning as its leader, an eight king of sorts.

  9. 17 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    BTW, I do have a link in the OP that was written right after 9/11 20011. It s chapter 18 in my book written in 2015

    I browsed through that link and what throws me is this:

    I believe this clue given by the angel also reveals to us that having a knowledge of Israel’s history is a critical key required if the door of understanding is going to be unlocked concerning just who this Eighth Beast is.

    There are no mentions of seven prior beasts in Revelation.  There is however a mention of seven heads.  Are you saying the beast in Rev 17 is an eighth head ? If so, then why doesn't the imagery show it as such?

  10. 12 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    So, do you see the red dragon/serpent/devil as being different from the Rev. 11:7 “beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit?” If so, why.

    Yes, I believe they are different.  The reason is because the dragon is never referred to as a beast, and there is no record of Satan having been cast into the abyss.  The identifier "out of the bottomless pit" is used to distinguish it from the beast from the earth.

    13 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    And do you believe the second beast to be a flesh and blood man?

    Yes, the beast from the earth is the false prophet, the man of sin, son of perdition, the only human in the evil trio.  I've even kicked around the idea of Judas being resurrected for the purpose of Satan once again entering him (the son of perdition) and deceiving the world.

    13 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    But there is an undeniable similarity between the Rev. 13:1 beast that rises out of the sea, and the Rev 17:3 & 7 “scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”

    I agree.  I believe they are the same.

    13 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    These seven empires are correlated directly to Israel, which like the beast, "was, is not, and yet is." when the Israel was scatter and wait her rebirth, the beast likewise "was not, yet is" today.

    I tend to agree.  The beast was cast into the abyss in the first century while the gospel spread to all the nations.  Also, during that time, Jerusalem would be trampled under foot by the Gentiles.  

    Thanks for the exchange.

  11. 13 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    Does the Mother of Harlots and the red beast she is riding suffer the same fate of destruction from the "ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet?"

    1. What is the difference between the one she is riding and the Rev 13:1 beast?

    2. Who is the author of all this imagery?

    3. Can you explain the various names give to her, "(a) MYSTERY, (b) BABYLON THE GREAT, (c) THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS and (d) ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.?"

    These three 10-horned beasts are the same: Daniel 7, Rev 13, and Rev 17.  They are pictured differently in their different contexts for emphasis.  The fact that there are no crowns mentioned on the beast in Rev 17 doesn't make it a different beast, it just isn't a detail relevant to the context.

    Babylon in its broadest context is the influence of Satan's kingdom on the human race.  It is the MYSTERY of iniquity as to how the spiritual forces of wickedness interact with the natural realm.

    Satan's kingdom has been the MOTHER of all unfaithfulness and ABOMINATIONS since the Garden and will continue to be so until the return of Christ.  There have been notable manifestations of Satan's kingdom on earth such as the city and tower of Babel.  It shouldn't come as any surprise that the last days manifestation of the mother of harlots is a harlot. It's the same harlot that we see pictured throughout the old testament, apostate Israel.

    14 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    Why do you keep referring to her a "harlot" instead of "mother of harlots?"

    Rev 17:16

  12. 13 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    I promise you, no one here has this figured out... nor will they ever.

    I'm not saying I have it all figured out but I can sure as heck see what's going on in this country (U.S.) and a lot of Europe.

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  13. 13 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    Since the dragon has “seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads,” similarly to the beast of Rev 13:1, which has a different body description, but also has “seven heads and ten horns” but instead of “seven crowns upon his heads” is said to have “upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy,” I would ask the following –

    1.      Would you consider the read dragon also to be a beast, or could based upon its imagery be called a beast?

    2.     Do you consider the dragon to be the same as the serpent?

    3.      If not, why not? Who then is the red dragon?

    4.     Why the difference in crowns between the dragon and the first beast is he a prince under Satan?

     

    5. What is the correlation between "the beast from the earth with two horns as a lamb" and the "Mother of Harlots."

    6. Who are the harlot daughters?

    The red dragon is the serpent is the devil is Satan. Scripture refers to him by those names.  Why create confusion by calling him a beast when scripture doesn't?

    And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. Rev 12:9

    The beast with 10 horns in Daniel 7 is pictured in Revelation 13 as also having 7 heads because it reflects the transaction between him and the dragon. 

    And the dragon gave him his power and his throne, and great authority. Rev 13:2

    Satan's power, throne and authority are signified by his seven crowned heads.  The beast having crowns on his 10 horns indicates their subservience to him.  Yes, the beast with 10 horns is a prince under Satan.  He is responsible for the sixth and seventh head.

    The beast from the earth has no connection with the harlot destroyed by the beast with 10 horns.

  14. 3 hours ago, FJK said:

    You seem to be talking in generalizations without specific meaning, this can lead to large misunderstandings.

    So for the sake of clarity could you name a few of those Jews you have referred to and show how they are losing power as their corruption is being exposed?

    That would make things clear and leave no interpretive guesswork about meanings to cause misunderstanding.

    I'll let you do your own research and form your own opinions, if you care to.  If not, no biggie. 

  15. 6 minutes ago, FJK said:

    You say it is a certain unnamed group of Jewish people and that their power is waning.

    I don't see that as being true in either case.

    I'm not sure how thoroughly you've looked but no matter, it will become clear soon.

    I don't know you but if you're one of those people who thinks that Jews can do no wrong and you must bless them even in their wickedness, you've been hoodwinked.

    God never told Israel that He'd bless those who blessed him.  God made that promise to Abraham.  The harlot has deceived many by misappropriating that verse.  I used to be one of them.

  16. 3 hours ago, FJK said:

    No, it isn't.

    It may help if point out that the beast and his 10 horns are evil spirit beings as evidenced by their coming up out of the abyss, and that they work to cast down the harlot in preparation for the rise of the man of sin.

    So, while I may not be able to say that horn #3 did this and #8 is responsible for that, anything leading to the harlot's demise is very likely in some way traceable back to the beast and his 10 horns.  They utterly despise her. 

    If you're not able to see the harlot's corruption and wickedness and decay being exposed, just give it a year or so and you won't be able to help but see it.

  17. 19 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    I know you’re saying no to the sea representing the mass of humanity. Where is this abyss? Is it in a sea, or no?

    In case you are looking for a scriptural example of the sea being used as a metaphor for the abyss, consider this passage:

    It is not in heaven, that you could say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us and get it for us, and proclaim it to us, so that we may follow it?’ Nor is it beyond the sea, that you could say, ‘Who will cross the sea for us and get it for us and proclaim it to us, so that we may follow it?’  Deuteronomy 30:12-13

    And Paul's paraphrasing of it:

    But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will go up into heaven?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching.  Romans 10:6-8

    I think they used the sea as a metaphor for the bottomless pit (abyss) because to them it was bottomless.

  18. 1 hour ago, warrior12 said:

     

    This is where it gets confusing or obscure.  Some would quote Paul writing , saying there is no Jew nor gentile ect.   Also as I understand, Israel is a secular state and there are debates on how many Jewish people, even those living in Israel follow or practice their Jewish heritage.   

    I do see from scripture ,that the Jewish people are God chosen people and he has made a convernat with them forever, even though they have broken the commandments and laws that they are to follow. 

     But as New Testament believers,  how does the Jews favour in the book of revelation is for someone to explain clearly as I see they are quoted all over the place in different ways.

    Yeah, I understand that there are several different ways that people define Jews or Israel, and it can be confusing.

    The way I see it, there is a group of people of Jewish heritage who believe they are God's chosen yet exalt themselves above Christ and reject Him.  They are very wealthy and powerful and evil.  They reside primarily in western culture, but not exclusively.  This is who I consider to be the harlot.  Their power is waning, though, as the beast and his 10 horns are undermining their control.  This is evidenced by the exposing of their corruption and erosion of their hegemony.

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  19. 1 hour ago, BlindSeeker said:

    Can you you expound deeper on these 3 things?
    What are the waters upon which this "woman" sits?
    How has she "glorified herself?"
    Is the apostate Israel part of the Great City Babylon (18:10)?
    If so, then how has all the merchants of the earth been made rich by her?

    The waters are:

    And he said to me, "The waters which you saw where the prostitute sits are peoples and multitudes, and nations and languages." Rev 17:15

    Babylon, in its broadest context, is the influence of Satan's kingdom on the human race.  It began in the Garden and will continue until the return of Christ.

    Yes, apostate Israel is part of the great city Babylon.  She resides primarily in western culture where you hear the cries of antisemitism the loudest.

    Follow the money.

  20. 1 hour ago, BlindSeeker said:

    How many beasts do you see within the context of Revelation?

    Can you list all the prophetic players for us?

    What I refer to as the trio of evil is enumerated twice in scripture:

    And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs.  Rev 16:13

    and

    And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.  Rev 20:10

    The dragon is Satan or the devil.

    The beast is the one with the seven heads and ten horns.  He is an evil spirit prince who is responsible for setting the global stage for the rise of the man of sin.

    The false prophet is the beast from the earth with two horns.  He is the man of sin, the son of perdition.

    Other prophetic "players" would include the harlot, the two witnesses, the 144,000, the seven plague angels and, of course, the Lamb.

  21. 1 hour ago, warrior12 said:

    Could you elaborate more. If I am interpreting your words correctly, are you referring to the Jewish people as a whole that constitue Israel as the harlot of Rev.17 ?.

    If so, why not call it out as you see it .  Remember, I am just asking for clarification on your post. Thanks.

    In my post I stated apostate Israel.  Did you miss that key word?  These verses encapsulate the harlot's identity:

    I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the slander by those who say they are Jews, and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.  Rev 2:9

    and again:

    Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and make them know that I have loved you. Rev 3:9

    It's the same group that Jesus called out as the spawn of Satan:

    You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.  John 8:44

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  22. 22 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    Further more, the beast in 13:1 rise out of the sea, or mass of humanity.

    No, "the sea" is not in this case considered to be "mass of humanity." Revelation 17 clarifies where the beast rises out of.

    The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. Rev 17:8

    The abyss is where the beast rises from.  The abyss is only ever used in the context of evil spirit beings.  It is their prison.  It has nothing to do with the mass of humanity.  The beast is an evil spirit being.  He is both the prince of Rome and the prince of the seventh head.  

    22 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

    One other thing is the woman isn't shown to riding the beast in the beginning, not  until chapter 17 as judgment begins to be pronounce against her.

    The harlot in Rev 17 is the same harlot pictured throughout the Old Testament, apostate Israel.  However, she resides primarily in the U.S and Europe in these last days.  Her destruction is taking place before our eyes and will be completed when the beast and his 10 horns destroy her with fire.

  23. On 3/21/2024 at 8:32 PM, BlindSeeker said:

    So, I will start this thread over again the same way, by simply sharing Chapter 18 from my book "The Eighth Beast," which I wrote as a stand alone article back i 2002 shortly after 9/11.

    I agree with your assessment of the seven heads being kingdoms that have been or are significant in the history of Israel.

    Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains upon which the woman sits, and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. The beast which was, and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.  Rev 17:9-11

    Have you considered the possibility that the beast is himself an eighth "king" and not an eighth beast?

    Let me explain.  From Daniel 10 we know that evil spirit beings known as princes are responsible for spawning earthly kingdoms, prince of Persia, Greece.  There's no reason not to think that this is true of all the seven heads.  Revelation 17:9-10 show this supernatural / natural cause and effect.  The seven mountains are seven risings of supernatural influence.  Mountains are often used in describing kingdoms.  These risings result in the earthly office of king.

    When it comes to this final world kingdom (the U.N), there is no office of kingship so the evil angel prince who spawned it is acting as its de facto ruler, an eighth king.  This is until the man of sin is revealed and becomes the seventh king.

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