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1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. It does matter how we walk since Jesus is with us always. We are to lean on the Son of God to help us to follow Him by faith to continue to abide in Him as His disciples; otherwise, we run the risk of being left behind at the pre trib rapture when God comes to judge His House first. Unrepentant saints will not lose their salvation, but they will lose crowns and their seat at the Marriage Supper and then there will be weeping & gnashing of teeth at the coming fire on the earth and the coming great tribulation as a result. 1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. Hebrews 12th chapter can show necessity for running that race by faith in the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin to avoid the chastening from the Father in being left behind. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+12&version=KJV

How one can become a homosexual by worshipping the creature more than the Creator? By ignoring His words below. 1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. Feeding lust...feeding the eye... some sinners and even christians have gone over to the other side. 1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. 2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. So it can happen to any one of us if we are so foolish to make provision for the flesh to fulfill the lust thereof and by sowing to the works of the flesh, we will reap corruption. Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. 20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, 21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22 And of some have compassion, making a difference: 23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. 24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. Only by pointing others to our hope in Him can any sinner as well as a believer can hope to overcome. 1 John 5:1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him....4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Brother Sevenseas, I know that you did not say anything about the Holy Spirit answering prayers, but then again, I did not say that you did. I was giving an example about how other believers can apply faith in Jesus Christ in the wrong way. I am not minimizing the work of the Holy Spirit if I am not denying He is the One giving the words of Christ, the gifts and the fruits , but I am pointing a little higher to the One the Spirit is taking those "things" from : the Son of God; the author & finisher of our faith. We are to ask for gifts, but Paul instructed to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts; and he began to show why by comparing the gift of prophesy against the gift of tongues by showing why the gift of prophesy was the superior gift because it stands alone in the church whereas the gift of tongues is not for it is not a stand alone gift for it needs to be followed by interpretation. There is an apostasy running amok that calls believers into seeking another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues and yet no one understands that 1 Corinthians 12:13 reproves such notions in relations to the gifts as we have all been made to drink of the One Spirit that we all have been baptized into the body of Christ by Jesus Christ at our salvation. Not once did Paul instruct any believer to seek a specific spiritual gift like tongues by seeking another baptism with the Holy Ghost but as paramount as wayward believers are making that call today to saved believers, you would think Paul would have plainly taught such a thing, but did not. Tongues were never meant to serve as a sign for believers to know that they had received the Holy Ghost. That is hardly receiving the promise of the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ: Hebrews 11:1-2,6 Galatians 3:14,26-28 So any one that claims to speak in tongues and yet testify of another baptism with the Holy Ghost is the reason WHY I would question the function of the supernatural tongue that comes with no interpretation because God's gift of tongues was plainly stated by Paul that it was of other men's lips to speak unto the people. 1 Corinthians 14:21

Who is our Good Shepherd? 1 John 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. So prove all teachings with His help by the scripture as kept by those that loved Him in the KJV. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25 Brethren, pray for us. Be sure to pray for Joel Osteen when you think of him. 1 Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 6 But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. 9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. 13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ

We who have been reconciled to God the Father thru Jesus Christ can only live this reconciled relationship with God the Father thru Jesus Christ Whom we have been married to God by. And why seeking the face of the Bridegroom in prayer, fellowship, & worship is the only way we can honour God the Father and that is by honouring the Son which is exactly what the Holy Spirit in us is sent to do... to lead us to glorify the Son of God, and by Him, God the Father. http://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/183574-the-witnessing-role-of-the-holy-ghost-limits-our-worship/

I have some good news for you. You do not need to receive Him any more because you have been bought with a price and sealed as His and therefore He will never leave you and thus Jesus Christ is keeping His promise in being with you always since the first time you had come to and believed in Jesus Christ. Colossians 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;.............27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: 1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.....20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Knowing this truth, and the new reality you have in Christ Jesus, you can look to Him for the power in living the christian life for you do have Him in you to help you to follow Him by faith.

Not every saved believer is applying faith in Jesus Christ correctly. Some believers should be applying faith in Jesus Christ at that throne of grace to answer prayers when they pray to the Father in His name. Some believers need to know that the words, the gifts, and the fruits of the Spirit are from Jesus Christ in being our Good Shepherd as He is the author & finisher of our faith for us to be the work of His hands. The Holy Spirit does not answer prayers nor are saved believers to be asking the things of the Spirit from the Holy Spirit when He takes them from Jesus Christ to give them to usas all that the Father has is now the Son's. John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:....11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Jesus has already told us what the Holy Spirit will do and His word is not maybe or possibly, but the Holy Spirit will do it and therefore there is no asking the Holy Spirit. This is also where believers are to apply faith in Jesus Christ as well and not behave as if the Holy Spirit will not listen to the Good Shepherd for relaying something to us or not giving us what Jesus would have us to have for us as manifested by the Spirit. That is why His words regarding the role of the Holy Spirit is a promise from the Father and we can trust Jesus at His word, and why scripture & the indweling Holy Ghost would have us behave in this recomnciled relationship with God thru the Bridegroom by keeping our eyes on the Son for He is our first love and He will be coming soon to receive the ready & abiding bride of Christ as kept by Him by His grace & by His help as we live by faith in the Son of God..

Jesus also said...... Of course,I do firmly believe that keeping His commandments comes as a result of the indwelling of His Holy Spirit because we are Saved by the Grace of God through our Faith in Christ Jesus..........but,by Jesus own Words ,without fully committing yourself can you truly "follow Him?''Do you truly love Him if you have reservations & are not willing to forsake self? I do not know what church you went to or who told you anything about "promises" but it I think when Jesus invited us to 'Follow Him",we must be committed to that and I would never want to discourage anyone from committing themselves to Jesus......in complete surrender. And if there is anyone that wants Salvation & they would like to make a promise to Jesus,then by all means, do that & He will help you to keep that promise.by the Power of the Holy Spirit ...............God bless you,perhaps I can come back later but this is the only thing I really felt compelled to reply to With love,Kwik Dear Kwik, There is a difference between a parent asking their children to do something they told them to do and then making them make a promise to do it. John 2:23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. 24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, 25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man. Mark 14:38Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak. Prayer is submiiting to God what we cannot do in the flesh and therefore our reliance can only be on Jesus Christ to live as His. Jesus did not lead any disciple to make a promise to do the commandments because He does not have confidence in us to keep them. Since our confidence is in Him to help us live as His, we are to live by faith in the Son of God in keeping His commandments. That is why it is written that the just shall live by faith. Living the christian life is a trust issue just as much as our salvation is. We trust in Jesus Christ that we are saved because He is our Saviour and thus we are to trust Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd because we cannot live the christian life nor keep His commandments without His power in us at all. So by the grace of God by faith in Jesus Christ we are saved, and by the grace of God by faith in Jesus Christ we shall keep the commandments. All praises to Him.

Then the tree of life was superfluous? Why mention it? clb Because there will be a generation that will have to take it that have come out of the great tribulation and thru the milleniel reign of Christ. Those of the firstfruits of the resurrection, the elect, will never die as they will be made like the angels in Heaven in that they never die either, and attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. Those coming out of the great tribulation will receive the second inheritance for being the prodigal son as they will be resurrected but still can marry and have children to reign as kings and priests in the milleniel reign of Christ; They of that resurrection have the promise that the second death will not touch them which means they will never be cast into the lake of fire, but that also means the first death still can.... and their children can die too, but the children and rest of the coming generation are not under that promise of being kept from the second death. Those coming out of the milleniel reign that did not rebel with Satan in his last attempted coup, may have to take from the tree of life. And although those saints coming out of the great tribulation were resurrected by Jesus Christ, but because they had forsaken their first inheritance, may also have to take from the tree of life, but death and hades will be cast into the lake of fire where sin will no longer seperate us from the love of God ever again. Now is the time for obtaining the eternal glory that comes with our salvation; the firstfruit of the resurrection by trusting Jesus as our Good Shepherd in being personal with us in leading us to understanding His words in the KJV in following Him as His disciples to be chosen by Him for the Marriage Supper as we can only run that race by faith in the Son of God in us for the high prize of our calling.

I see,were you having an issue with forsaking anger?If I may ask? Or do you just mean"for me to be angry":in general(as for anyone0,not really referring to yourself You can call them "talents",if you will,it is not inappropriate at all,,,,,personally,I prefer to call them 'gifts" & as in one breathe you do say that only God can give increase & by that I am understanding you to be speaking about the Wisdom & Understanding that we receive in revelations made known to us by the Power of the Holy Spirit,,,,so then why do you feel that 'we" need to PROVE anything....the Lord certainly does not need HELP in confirming His timeless Truths,,,,,,It is a great privilege & an honor if He so desires to use me in such a way but He does not NEED my help..............ALL Glory be to God in ALL things! With love,Kwik Per your first question, yes, I had believed it was wrong for me to be angry at all, but the KJV cleared that up. Per your second question, we are not always proving things by Him, but taking everything at face value. I was led to make a commitment to follow Christ in making Him Lord of my life but Jesus never taught that. He said "Follow Me" not make a promise to follow Me. I was brought into a religious bindage that led me to do the best I can and failing. Until He led me to trust in Him all the time for living the christian life, He had set me free from that commitment to only live by faith in the Son of God in me for living the christian life in following Him by His grace & by His help. Sometimes, churches err by misleading men into bondage to show proof of sincerity, but we are to lean on Him to be sincere in trusting Him for living as His because that glory belongs to Him too. A believers' commitments speaks of himself or herself and thus it is a false witness, a boast in the flesh, and a boast of what good they will do tomorrow which is an evil boasting; James 4:13-17 & James 5:12 We are to standfast in the liberty for which Christ has set us free and not entangle ourselves in a yoke of bondage because we hope for the fruits of righteousness by faith in Jesus Christ since we are trusting Him to do His work in us. Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.....5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace. 8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ. 9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. Seeing the prophecy of the falling away from the faith and how false prophets will come in to mislead many astray that many will be falling as per Matthew 7:13-27 and run teh risk of being left behind at the pre tribulational rapture per same lesson in Luke 13:24-30, then there is necessity for believers tpo stop following the staus quo and prove everything being taught them with His help at that throne of grace by the scripture as kept in the KJV by those that loved Him and His words in keeping them for us to follow Him. Jesus as the Good Shepherd will confirm that the KJV is the one to rely on for the actual meaning of His words to live & discern by.

Thanks for sharing FresnoJoe. As I go thru these references, please lean on Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to at leats understand where I am coming from and then ask Him if that is the correct reading in light of His words in other places in the scripture as kept by the KJV Praying IN the Holy Ghost would mean never pray as if you were OUT of the Holy Ghost as many believers are praying OUT of the Holy Ghost when seeking to receive the Holy Ghost again. So the command to pray IN the Holy Ghost is keeping with our faith as opposing those praying TO the Holy Spirit as if He is the One at that throne of grace to answer our prayers when He is not, but dwelling within us as the Spirit of Christ to relay the words of Christ to us since the Spirit can only speak what He hears. Again, praying IN the Spirit testify to not praying OUT of the Spirit and this never means praying TO the Spirit or BY the Spirit since WE are the ones that should be praying. No denying that the Spirit of God as God had a hand in creation since it has taken Three Witnesses to establish a word in creation, but it was by the Son that everything was made as it was made by Him as the Word of God. Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 2 Corinthians 13:1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. That was how any word was established in creation by God and Jesus being the Word of God, everything was made by Him.. John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.....10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And immediately the Spirit driveth him into the wilderness. Mark 1:9-12 In the testimony at Jesus's baptism, Two Witnesses were required for the Son of God to be testified as being God by God for that testimony to be true in according to the Word of God.. John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I believe in the Triune God too, but not all Three Witnesses died on the cross. This is where the mind of Christ is to be centered on: the Bridegroom as we have been reconciled to God by Him and we are living this reconciled relatioshipw ith God the Father thru Jesus Christ and because there are other spirits in the world trying to get inbetween us & the Son, this is why the inderlling Holy Ghost is still pointing believers to go to the Bridegroom in coming to God the Father by because there is no other way in prayer, fellowship, or worship. 1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified John 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him. John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Look at the judgment given to every beliver and do note that there is no way that Jesus would have forgotten about the Holy Spirit. Verse 23 is telltaling because the moment we stop honouring the Son, we are no longer honouring the Father and so that is why we are not to honour the Holy Spirit in worship because the Holy Spirit is sent to glorify Jesus Christ and how can He do thay except thru us? http://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/183574-the-witnessing-role-of-the-holy-ghost-limits-our-worship/

Thank you, OneLight, that is what I was about to say as well. When people do not have the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit to recognize the things of the Spirit even in scripture, having hardened their hearts, it is useless to argue with them. Sometimes they interpret scripture in light of their bad experiences or their prejudices. Or sometimes, believers are reading something that was translated wrong in their modern Bibles to see why the KJV has it right because it lines up with other scriptural truths being testified in the Bible. They may never had taken that matter to the Lord Jesus Christ in prayer for confirmation as to which Bible has given us the correct message in keeping with the truths in His words, and whethor other discernment are necessary for any errant practises or errant teachings that has been derived from that errant Bible.

Let's say that I had come across a verse in the NASB that told me it was wrong for me to be angry to such a point that I would be judged. Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell. NASB Now my Sunday school teacher at the time would go to another verse in that same Bible to try to convince me otherwise that it was not wrong just as long as we do not sin or let it festor. Ephesians 4:26Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: So immediately there is doubt in His words at that time as far as I was concern. So I look at Jesus's words and then Paul's words and decide to play it safe and still see getting angry as a sin itself....until the Lord led me to the KJV. Matthew 5:22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. KJV Then I started relying on the KJV for keeping His words now that I was able to see the actual truths in His words. The same goes for Romans 8:26-27. All I can do is point out something that is an error in ALL modern Bibles because they do testify that the Holy Spirit does make these intercessions Himself; instead of "itself" as the KJV and the 1599 Geneva Bible has it; and some modern Bible testify falsely that sounds are being made for these groanings to be heard, but in the OP at the link provided, the definition for alaletos means the intercessions of the Spirit's are not uttered nor spoken at all; hence no sound. That is the whole point for knowing the mind of the Spirit in verse 27 in edifying us about how the untterable intercessions of the Spirit's are made known because the One searching our hearts is giving ours and the intercessions of the Spirit's to the Father in according to the will of God of there being only One Mediator at that throne of grace, the man Christ Jesus, because it is His job to not only give our intercessions and the Spirit's intercessions to the Father, but to answer those prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answered prayers which is why thanksgiving are to be given to the Father in Jesus's name which is the will of God to do. Pointing out how the KJV translations lines up with other truths in scripture to reconsider what others and the church had taken at face value in error when reading those verses in their modern Bible is something I was led to share and it is up to the Lord to lead them to take it to that throne of grace for discernment and confirmation for the truth in His words. I cannot do that for them. WE all have something that the Lord has given us to share; called talents, but as in all things, we are to prove all things by taking it to Jesus Christ at that throne of grace to help prove them for confirmation of the truths in His words as only God can cause the increase. 1 Thessalonaisn 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

For those believers that think that the damnation in 2 Thessalonians 2:12 is referring to loss of salvation, think no more in that way. I understand that perception because of verse 10 about being saved, but this was addressing the falling away from the faith and by it to avoid the great tribulation. This is what believers are to be warned about today to be saved from. The damnation is losing crowns and not attending the Marriage Supper by being left behind. Once that door is shut, that reward of that first inheritance of being of the firstfruits can never be had again so in that sense, it is a damnation, and in respect to the falling away from the faith, unless the believers that have gone astray repent by His help and by His grace, they will not be saved from being left behind to witness the fire coming on the earth and the coming great tribulation. If anyone doubts this: read on to the next chapter as Paul addresses those wicked & unreasonable men that have not faith that do not follow after the traditions taught of us that are disorderly as they are in those movements of the "Spirit". 2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: 2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. 5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;.....14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. So even here, Paul still acknowledges those astray as still saved because they are still brothers. This is why excommunication is taught and supposed to be practised in churches to lead believers that sin or have gone astray to repentance to welcome back into the fold, because if the church does not do it, God will at the pre tribulational rapture event to receive them later after the great tribulation. Just as our confidence is in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to keep us from falling and to present us faultless, we can have confidence that He will finish His work in those unrepentant saints that gets left behind. John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. Because of the falling away from the faith, God is judging His House first to restore the wayward and unrepentant saints back to the path of righteousness for His name's sake because He really is the Good Shepherd. Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. According to His words, I thank Him that I believe He is going to get those saints that went astray that got left behind for they have been bought with a rpice and sealed as His. 1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

I can understand that if you were using a wrong Bible version; the KJV has been explained in the OP as to why that translations is correct and lining up with the other truths in the scripture that Modern Bible has but fail to see them as opposing its errant translation of some verses like Romans 8:26-27. I reckon I shall leave it to Jesus to help any one see that. I can't help.