Daniel 11:36

Good post Sojourner .... your are correct

The 7 mountains are the 7 kingdoms of the beast .... 5 have existed in the past and two will exist during the coming tribulation period .... the 6th smaller and the 7th larger [Revelation 17:7] Do not confuse the kingdoms of the beast with the woman This beast will hate the "woman" and burn her with fire [Revelation 17:16] Study your Bible

"ok let me address first off i do not agree all of matt 24 is to Israel, parts are but other parts of the chapter are bigger than Israels borders and to just those living in those borders" Matthew 24 is all written to and for Israel .... make certain that you understand this truth

"Christians and the "church" are appointed tribulation and persecution during this age, but NOT from or by the Lord. The adversaries of the Lord our God, the princes and powers of this world and the temporary god of this world is at war with us. We fight not against flesh and blood. The Lord our God has not appointed His children covered with the blood of Jesus Christ to His wrath and judgment" All true and scriptural .... a very good statement to make

"Might want to examine a few things . I have heard pretribbers teach that what is being removed is the church , Gods holy spirit is removed Not true .... the holy spirit is never removed son The pre-tribulation removal of all of the dead in Christ and those living at the time is set in stone .... this is all people who have been born again from Adam forward Your post tribulation saga is wrong Only those who die during the tribulation that have turned to Jesus Christ will be raised just after .... these will become believers during the tribulation period Any who become believers during the tribulation period and live will enter and populate the Lord's millennial kingdom as mortals The Lord's millennial kingdom will be composed of resurrected immortals, saved mortals, and those mortals that are unbelievers who will be rejected from the kingdom Satan will be released from the abyss at the end of the millennial kingdom to deceive all who have not accepted Jesus Christ as king Read your Bible and you can know the truth

The Lord's wrath and judgment will last during the 70th week decreed beginning here {Revelation 6:12-17] .... and ending here [Revelation 19:11-21] The entire 70th week will be the Lord's wrath and judgment against an unbelieving world

"Good grief, where do you guys get this stuff from ? 7 Regions, SMH." They make it up

Any person who has been bought by the blood of Jesus Christ in today's world will leave the earth just before the Lord's tribulation comes Post tribulation teaching is false and those who teach it will go through the coming tribulation This period of time is very different and will involve the Lord's wrath and destruction of a lost world Some will turn to the Lord during this period of time but not many and if so they will be saved .... primarily those of Israel and some Gentiles Those who turn to the Lord and die in this tribulation will be resurrected at the end of it .... and those who live will enter and populate the Lord's one thousand year millennial kingdom as mortals These things the scriptures teach and those who reject this truth are teaching false theology There are several on this forum who do this and they are going to find out what they have done .... some will turn to the Lord during the coming tribulation, but most will not If any die before the tribulation comes they will end up at the great white throne judgment just after the Lord's millennial kingdom and they will be consummated in His lake of fire And if they are alive during the coming tribulation and do not repent their destination will be the same Those who teach post tribulation theology and lead others astray are on a bad road .... do not believe what they tell you All must believe in Jesus Christ in order to be saved whether on this side of the tribulation or in it Post tribulation theology is a ruse and one that will lead those who believe it to their eternal death

"So you think anyone who enters the 70th week isn't saved, is that it?" Those who enter the 70th week will not be saved [Revelation 6:12-17] Stop your ridiculous ideas and turn to the Lord Of course those in the coming tribulation will be saved if they turn to the Lord .... these will be tribulation saints

Were do you go to church son?

Yeah...at the 6th seal deep into the last week. You are in for a surprise if you think the 6th seal begins the last week The 6th seal definitely begins the 70th week here [Revelation 6:12-17] The 70th week is decreed for Israel and begins in chapter 8 and ends in chapter 19 Easy to see if you try

Good post just above by Steve Conley

Daiste is dead wrong .... why do you people refute Biblical truth related to the Lord's first action to immortalize those who believe in Him He will then bring His wrath and judgment upon an unbelieving world

However, their missions will be subjective and Satan sets them all

Satan is Satan .... the beast is Abaddon

Interesting discussion about Ezekiel 38 .... we know this is coming

Satan is the instigator .... the others are different 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Not sure why the above post was made

Some will turn and repent during the tribulation period and specifically those of Israel along with some Gentiles But today's church will be called to immortality just before Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Tarshish refers to the colonizing countries of Europe .... and these include the USA of western societies

"And since the 24 elders were there before the Lamb was, its chronologically impossible for them to represent the church" Who do the 24 elders represent? Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands

I believe that the "trap" is the coming "day of the Lord" He will come when he is ready to bring His destruction against an unbelieving world [Revelation 6:12-17] .... this 70th week will continue from Revelation 8 thru Revelation 19 The church of today will be in heaven with Him just before He brings His wrath and destruction .... [1st Corinthians 15:51-8; 1st Thessalonians 4:13-18] [Revelation 3:10; 4:5; 5:1-10; 7:9-17; 13:6; 17:14; 18:4; 19:14; 20:4 .... those on thrones]

"Ask yourself a question. When is Jesus coming, before or after the Great Tribulation?" Nothing to question .... the Lord will execute the coming tribulation when He is ready And He is here right now .... you just cannot see Him

The Lord's day or, the day of the Lord, is from the first day of His intent to intervene in the affairs of men beginning in Revelation 8 This will continue on thru His coming millennial kingdom of 1000 years