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God never gave Abraham his inheritance. But He gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot of ground, and yet, even when he had no child, He promised that He would give it to him as a possession, and to his descendants after him.Acts 7:5 That's NT testimony that Abraham never received the inheritance. Your Bible quote of Rev 2:1 is future... Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. New Jerusalem has not come down from Heaven has it? To Abraham, it was the future. His inheritance was fulfilled through his descendants, so God did fulfill His promise. Tell me, do you believe in God, the scriptures and are you a Christian? Abraham never received the 'promised land.' That is a Biblical fact. Go look in Hebrews chapter 11. The author of Hebrews talks about men of Faith including Abraham. Then at Hebrews 11:13 , the author says of Abraham and the others..."""All these died in faith without receiving the promises."""

1John 5:7 and Matthew 28:19 are spurious. But don't take my word for it. Do a little research and find out for yourself.

Are you trying to say your scriptures contradict the ones in my post #1 ? Rev. 7:9-17 shows saints in heaven that had been beheaded for their testamony. you might want to check this scripture reference. John 14:2-3 promise of Jesus that He is preparing a place for us with the Father "that where I am, there you may be also". Don't you expect Jesus to return to earth? 1 Cor. 15:40-52 concerning our new spiritual, heavenly bodies Is a heavenly body in heaven or does it describe a qality of the body?

Onelight also asked you a question. Would you like to answer him ? Yes I have....Ive used it about 20 times on this forum. And it was my email address for years until I changed it. And I use it on other forums also. Do you like it. Do you think it's slick?

God never gave Abraham his inheritance. But He gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot of ground, and yet, even when he had no child, He promised that He would give it to him as a possession, and to his descendants after him.Acts 7:5 That's NT testimony that Abraham never received the inheritance. Your Bible quote of Rev 2:1 is future... Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. New Jerusalem has not come down from Heaven has it? Lets look at that "stars" prophecy that you mentioned. I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed;Genesis 26:4 God promised Abraham that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars. But this prophecy is not in the future because Moses said that it had been fulflled. The Lord your God has multiplied you, and behold, you are this day like the stars of heaven in number.Deuteronomy 1:10

God never gave Abraham his inheritance. But He gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot of ground, and yet, even when he had no child, He promised that He would give it to him as a possession, and to his descendants after him.Acts 7:5 That's NT testimony that Abraham never received the inheritance. Your Bible quote of Rev 2:1 is future... Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. New Jerusalem has not come down from Heaven has it?

IS HEAVEN IN YOUR FUTURE? God promised that the righteous would live on earth. “For evildoers will be cut off, But those who wait for the LORD, they will inherit the land. Yet a little while and the wicked man will be no more; And you will look carefully for his place, and he will not be there. But the humble will inherit the land, And will delight themselves in abundant prosperity.” Psalms 37:9,10,11 Examine the example of Abraham. 1. God promised Abraham and his descendants the land of Canaan as an everlasting possession."And I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession: and I will be their God." Genesis 17:8 2. God even promised Abraham and his offspring that they would inherit the world.“For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.” Romans 4:13 3. Gentiles can receive the promises of Abraham through the seed, Jesus Christ.“in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might came to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.” Galatians 3:14 4. If you belong to Christ then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.“And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.” Galatians 3:29 5. Abraham is the father of the righteous. “For this reason it is by faith, that it might be in accordance with grace, in order that the promise may be certain to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.” Romans 4:16 6. But, Abraham did not receive even a foot of ground."And He gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot of ground; and yet, even when he had no child, He promised that He would give it to him as a possession, and to his offspring after him.” Acts 7:5 7. So, if we trust God that his promise to Abraham is good, and since Abraham hasn't yet received his inheritance then it follows that Abraham and his righteous descendants (even righteous Gentiles) will inherit the earth at some future time. "Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.” Matthew 5:5 "And Thou hast made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth." Revelation 5:10 The Scriptures very plainly say that the righteous will inherit the earth; so why does everyone talk about going to heaven? Where in the Bible does it say the righteous will go to heaven? “Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of a heavenly calling,” (Hebrews 3:1), “those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,” (Hebrews 6:4), “be assured that a place has been prepared for you,” (John 14:2), “the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,” (Revelation 21:2), “and the kingdom of the world will become the kingdom of our LORD, and of His Messiah; and He will reign forever and ever,” (Revelation 11:15). I invite your comments.

The greatest evidence in 'not Lazarus' is the word disciple and it's appropriate meaning. We understand by Biblical definitions in the choosing of Mathias- Acts 1:15-23 15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. 17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. 18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. 19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood. 20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. 21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. 23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. KJV We know Lazarus was not with Christ consistently as per- Jn 11:11-15; lk 10:38-42 By this below we know John certainly qualifies by this Scripture - Matt 10:1-5 10 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: KJV As with the end of the writ... the termed disciple whom Jesus loved was witness to the greater totality of miracles to write this John 21:25 25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. KJV Thus clearly as I have stated the weight of Scripture lays heavily upon John and not the others you listed have nothing that qualifies them in this termed 'disciples'... Love, Steven The Gospel according to John never uses the term "apostle" The word "disciple" is always used. I agree that Lazarus was not one of the 12, but he was a disciple. Lazarus and his sisters were mentioned several times so they were close to Jesus.

I see that some of you are busy trying to figure out what day of the week Jesus was crucified and how to count 3 days and 3 nights. The solution to this enigma has been debated for 2000 years. Before you spend too much time on the "solution" answer one question for yourself. Can you harmonize the timeline of passover events by comparing the synoptic gospels to the gospel according to John?

Sure we can let this drop. It's not that important. I'm sure as time goes on we can find other things to discuss. I see you are from South Florida. I live in Fort Pierce. What topics do you like to discuss. Ebal

Amen....Brother Steven..................... With love-in Christ,Kwik It was the Roman Catholic Church that supplied the names to the Gospels. If you want to beleve that John wrote the Gospel because the Roman Catholic Church named the Gospel that is your right. Why aren't you open to the idea that Lazarus wrote the Gospel? Did you read and understand my arguments? Do you find fault with my arguments? I still call it John's Gospel. I haven't used a magic marker to change the name in my Bible. But I am open to examine and verify information especially if it came from the Pope.

They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.......If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. I find it interesting that it in this story, Jesus is promoting the Hebrew Scriptures, the books of Moses and the prophets. But many Christians seem to have discarded Moses and the prophets because they are works and you can't work for your salvation. Their theology is all about belief in Jesus, FAITH. As James, Jesus' brother, has written. What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead. But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless? Have Faith, but one must have works. See what Jesus has said...... Matthew 19:16-17 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Luke 19:8-10 8 Zaccheus stopped and said to the Lord, “Behold, Lord, half of my possessions I will give to the poor, and if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I will give back four times as much.” 9 And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because he, too, is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.” John 5:28-29 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment. Luke 10:25-28 And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.”

Do you think that the Apostle John wrote the Gospel according to John? Here is a quotation from the Catholic Encyclopedia. See what you understand them as saying. The first four historicalbooks of the New Testament are supplied with titles (Euangelion kata Matthaion, Euangelionkata Markon, etc.), which, however ancient, do not go back to the respective authors of those sacredwritings. The Canonof Muratori, Clement of Alexandria, and St. Irenæus bear distinct witnessto the existenceof those headings in the latter part of the second century of our era. Indeed, the manner in which Clement(Stromata I.21), and St. Irenæus(Against Heresies III.11.7) employ them implies that, at that early date, our present titles to the Gospels had been in current use for some considerable time. Hence, it may be inferred that they were prefixed to the evangelical narratives as early as the first part of that same century. That, however, they do not go back to the first century of the Christian era, or at least that they are not original, is a position generally held at the present day. It is felt that since they are similar for the four Gospels, although the same Gospels were composed at some interval from each other, those titles were not framed, and consequently not prefixed to each individualnarrative, before the collection of the four Gospels was actually made. Besides, as well pointed out by Prof. Bacon, "the {C}historical{C} books of the New Testament differ from its apocalyptic and {C}epistolary{C} {C}literature{C}, as those of the Old Testament differ from its {C}prophecy{C}, in being invariably anonymous, and for the same reason. {C}Prophecies{C} whether in the earlier or in the later sense, and letters, to have authority, must be referable to some {C}individual{C}; the greater his name, the better. But {C}history{C} was regarded as a common {C}possession{C}. Its facts spoke for themselves. Only as the springs of common {C}recollection{C} began to dwindle, and marked differences to appear between the well-informed and accurate {C}Gospels and the untrustworthy . . . did it become worth while for the Christian teacher or apologist to specify whether the given representation of the current {C}tradition{C} was 'according to' this or that special compiler, and to state his qualifications". It thus appears that the present titles of the Gospels are not traceable to the Evangelists themselves. What is also interesting is that the gospel mentions "the disciple that Jesus loved." But never mentions John by name as being the author of the Gospel. But Lazarus is mentioned as being loved by Jesus. John 11:5 Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. So the question arises ...Who wrote the Gospel according to John? Was it John? Or was it a tradition of the Roman Catholic Church which created the title for the Gospel as being according to John? Or was it Lazarus? Mary? or Martha? [sisters of Lazarus] Or someone unknown? Yes it was John the disciple of Jesus... and the distinction is where and when he mentions accounts... the witness is narrowed down John 21:20-25 20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? 21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? 22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. 23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? 24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. 25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. KJV Luke 5:10 10 And so was also James, and John, the sons of Zebedee, which were partners with Simon. And Jesus said unto Simon, Fear not; from henceforth thou shalt catch men. KJV Gal 2:9 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. KJV They were always together... I can see no apparent scholarship to not believe that at the supper and other times 'it was John with Peter'. Plus my comfortable peace as I receive the words as that of John's written account Love, Steven Dear Steven, The references you cite do not point to John IMO Allow me to make a point. 20 Peter, turning around, *saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” 21 So Peter seeing him *said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this man?” 22 Jesus *said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!” 23 Therefore this saying went out among the brethren that that disciple would not die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but only, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you?” So what made Peter point to the disciple that Jesus loved and say..."“Lord, and what about this man?”" Why? Was there something unique that would inspire this question? Yes...Peter was pointing to Lazarus who had died and had been resurrected. In the verses just preceeding these verses Peter and Jesus had been speaking of Peter's death and now Peter wanted to know if Lazarus would die again. And Jesus answered...""“If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? "" And everyone present knew that they were talking about Lazarus. ""Therefore this saying went out among the brethren that that disciple would not die;"' They thought Lazarus would not die because he had already died once. ""And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,"" Hebrews 9:27 Remember the Bible says Jesus loved Lazarus.[John 11:5] but never says he loved John.

Do you think that the Apostle John wrote the Gospel according to John? Here is a quotation from the Catholic Encyclopedia. See what you understand them as saying. The first four historicalbooks of the New Testament are supplied with titles (Euangelion kata Matthaion, Euangelionkata Markon, etc.), which, however ancient, do not go back to the respective authors of those sacredwritings. The Canonof Muratori, Clement of Alexandria, and St. Irenæus bear distinct witnessto the existenceof those headings in the latter part of the second century of our era. Indeed, the manner in which Clement(Stromata I.21), and St. Irenæus(Against Heresies III.11.7) employ them implies that, at that early date, our present titles to the Gospels had been in current use for some considerable time. Hence, it may be inferred that they were prefixed to the evangelical narratives as early as the first part of that same century. That, however, they do not go back to the first century of the Christian era, or at least that they are not original, is a position generally held at the present day. It is felt that since they are similar for the four Gospels, although the same Gospels were composed at some interval from each other, those titles were not framed, and consequently not prefixed to each individualnarrative, before the collection of the four Gospels was actually made. Besides, as well pointed out by Prof. Bacon, "the {C}historical{C} books of the New Testament differ from its apocalyptic and {C}epistolary{C} {C}literature{C}, as those of the Old Testament differ from its {C}prophecy{C}, in being invariably anonymous, and for the same reason. {C}Prophecies{C} whether in the earlier or in the later sense, and letters, to have authority, must be referable to some {C}individual{C}; the greater his name, the better. But {C}history{C} was regarded as a common {C}possession{C}. Its facts spoke for themselves. Only as the springs of common {C}recollection{C} began to dwindle, and marked differences to appear between the well-informed and accurate {C}Gospels and the untrustworthy . . . did it become worth while for the Christian teacher or apologist to specify whether the given representation of the current {C}tradition{C} was 'according to' this or that special compiler, and to state his qualifications". It thus appears that the present titles of the Gospels are not traceable to the Evangelists themselves. What is also interesting is that the gospel mentions "the disciple that Jesus loved." But never mentions John by name as being the author of the Gospel. But Lazarus is mentioned as being loved by Jesus. John 11:5 Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. So the question arises ...Who wrote the Gospel according to John? Was it John? Or was it a tradition of the Roman Catholic Church which created the title for the Gospel as being according to John? Or was it Lazarus? Mary? or Martha? [sisters of Lazarus] Or someone unknown?

You brought up a good topic concerning Jesus' cross Background information…… The Passover Lamb was slaughtered on the 14th day of Abib [Nisan] Leviticus 23:5 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 5 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. Exodus 12:6 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 6 You shall keep it [the lamb]until the fourteenth day of the same month, then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel is to kill it at twilight. You must realize that the Jewish day begins at sundown. After sundown, on the next day, the Passover lamb is eaten on the first day of the Feast of unleavened bread. Leviticus 23:6 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 6 Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. Exodus 12:8 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 8 They shall eat the flesh that same night, [that night which is after sundown is the next day, the 15th of Abib]roasted with fire, and they shall eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs. On the first day of unleavened bread no laborious work is to be done. Leviticus 23:7 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work. Because, the Passover is followed immediately by the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the 14th of Abib is often called the first day of the Feast. But the 15th of Abib is the first day of the feast of unleavened bread when no laborious work is to be done. Jesus’ disciples prepared for the Passover on the 14th of Abib. Mark 14:12 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was being sacrificed, His disciples *said to Him, “Where do You want us to go and prepare for You to eat the Passover?” That evening, after sundown, on the first day of unleavened bread, when no laborious work was to be done, Jesus reclined with his disciples to eat the Passover. Mark 14:17-18 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 17 When it was evening He *came with the twelve. 18 As they were reclining at the table and eating, Jesus said, “Truly I say to you that one of you will betray Me—one who is eating with Me.” Now we all know the rest of the story. Before the next sundown, Jesus was betrayed, tried, convicted, executed, and placed in a tomb. The question is….Did Jesus carry his cross on a day when no laborious work is to be done? In Matthew, Mark, and Luke’s gospels the Bible never says that Jesus carried the cross. These gospels, perhaps because they were aware of the prohibition against laborious work, have Simon of Cyrene carrying the cross. Matthew 27:32 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 32 As they were coming out, they found a man of Cyrene named Simon, whom they pressed into service to bear His cross. But John’s Gospel clearly has Jesus carrying his cross. John 19:17 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 17 They took Jesus, therefore, and He went out, bearing His own cross, to the place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha. So you tell me….Did Jesus carry his cross?