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  1. Why were the Elect not raptured

    Not possible. The above pretrib tenet is refuted by the same truth petrib relies on to prove the pretribulation doctrine; 1 Thessalonians 5:9 (KJV) 9 "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ..." If this is the case then no 'us' can be in the tribulation, whether converted early or late. You said, "what had just happened was the rapture and knowing they will now have to face the wrath of God." Obviously meaning the 'us' from 1 Thess 5:9 are gone and the wrath of God begins. Now you said, "Many will become believers on the day of the rapture and begin turning to God." According to you the wrath of God begins after the 'rapture', and many become believers after this 'rapture'. That means 'us' are then appointed to wrath, which cannot be true according to 1 Thess 5:9. Are the believers taken in the 'rapture' a special group that fits, "God hath not appointed us to wrath" and the believers after the 'rapture' are not special enough to enjoy, "not appointed us to wrath"? Is the 'us' in 1 Thess 5:9 a select 'us' not including some based on the situation or historical timing? Is the idea that the church is 'raptured' according to 1 Thess 5:9 and those, "Many will become believers on the day of the rapture and begin turning to God." are not part of the church and hence do not have the benefit of avoiding wrath? Is Paul not speaking to everyone in the church in 1 Thess 5:9? The explanation to this problem is that tribulation is not wrath. Those alive when the beast is empowered and then revealed 3.5 years later will experience tribulation and then be taken out of the earth after tribulation immediately before wrath falls. Just like Noah.
  2. What is the Day of the Lord?

    Revelation is not a strict chronology. There are chronological sections, and an umbrella of chronology, but not in the entirety of the book. For instance, the Wrath of the Lamb is seen in Rev 6. Great tribulation comes before Jesus returns to mete out wrath. GT would then occur in ch. 6 and ch 15 according to you. One must discern the overall timeline and appropriate chronology realizing following chapters detail events revealed in a preceding chapter or chapters.
  3. Not Destined for Wrath

    Psalm 118:18 The LORD has disciplined me severely, But He has not given me over to death. Psalm 119:67 Before I was afflicted I went astray, But now I keep Your word. Hebrews 12:5-11 and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, "MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD, NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM; FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES." It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 1 Corinthians 11:32 But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world. John 15:2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. Revelation 3:19 Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
  4. The only possible order of end of the age events is recorded in Matt 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. Coupled with 2 Thess and Revelation we can know a great deal of truth. The beast will rise with the 1st seal being empowered by the dragon after the deadly head wound. This is the event the first seal releases, the beginning of sorrows recorded in the Gospels. Only once the beast is so empowered will he wield the authority and might to CONFIRM the covenant with many. The Temple must stand again to fulfill prophecy and the beast will protect Israel while the Temple construction is underway. The beast needs the Temple of stone to stand again to fulfill 2 Thess 2:4. Some days will pass between the resurrection of the beast and the act of the beast confirming the covenant. Once the covenant is confirmed the two witnesses will appear to oppose this agreement and warn Israel of the grave mistake they made; trusting the beast for their national security and pride. This must be the case as the prophecy of the two witnesses is for 1260 days, exactly half the week. This could not be fulfilled in the second half as part of the last half is the wrath of God, and God will never allow the righteous to suffer His wrath. This must be for another reason; Jesus will have come before the end of the week. All believers will have been resurrected, Jesus will stand on the mount of Olives protecting the remnant of Israel commencing the defeat of the armies of the earth, the beast and the dragon. What the two witnesses were prophesying will be occurring. Seals 2-4 are effects that follow the beast, likely to the end when the beast is finally defeated. War, death and economic control will become the norm in much greater scope then we have seen throughout history. In the 5th seal we see the believers in Christ under the throne, killed for their testimony. This is the effect of great tribulation; the period of time after the beast proclaims he is god, lasting until Jesus returns with His vast army of angels. The 6th seal of course is the sign of the Coming, the terror of the world, and the soon onset of the Wrath of the Lamb. Between the sign of the Coming and the Wrath of the Lamb is the gathering of the elect, believers, by the angels of Jesus. This occurs in an instant, (the half hour silence in heaven) in conjunction with the Sign, the Appearing, and immediately prior to unleashing wrath on the world.
  5. 7. You are right; no scripture says ONLY angels come back with Jesus. But since no scripture says in explicit manner the bride does accompany Jesus at the 2nd coming, we should not add the bride to the army of angels of Jesus. I agree with 12-13.
  6. Agreed. Jesus comes with an army of angels, as scripture says.
  7. Not Destined for Wrath

    The time is coming for the Judgment of God to begin at the house of God, and if it begins with us, what is the fate of the those who do not obey the good news and the truth? 1 Peter 4
  8. Who and What are the Elect ?

    Very impressive. Patience, you'll see brother. I'll be here when you need to talk.
  9. What is the Day of the Lord?

    Curiouser, and curiouser.
  10. What is the Day of the Lord?

    The first five have been opened? Where was the A of D? I must have missed it. Missed great tribulation too.
  11. Not Destined for Wrath

    The problem is one of God not being able to let go of His children. He wants them all to arrive in eternity. But there can be no spot or blemish. I'm not sure you can say whom is or is not a true believer, nor what they may or may not experience. That's the realm of the Spirit. And since when did anyone who thinks any of the several takes on the rapture say they want the maximum amount of people to die? This is a false witness. A terrible denigrating, mocking lie. Shameful for a child of God to speak in such a way. This is what a person who I would call a brother Christ thinks about me? Horrifyingly offensive to me and all the other children of God that study in a sincere manner. It's not that anyone who is punished by the Father is not saved, it's that they are the children of the most high and therefore require correction and chastisement out of the love the Father has for us. Or do you assume many millions are without sin? No church age believers would be left? That would mean every believer in Jesus who repented of sin would be taken. Every denomination. Sure about that? So every true believer is fully obedient? Are you? Looks like you are slandering your own brothers. Is that obedient?
  12. Who and What are the Elect ?

    Scripture, scripture, scripture. Not opinion.