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Diaste

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  1. Diaste

    The timing of the 6th seal

    No of course not, the church isn't on earth during the 70th week. The contemporary church is holy, pure and righteous as it exists. It's only those others that will have to endure hardship, like the 100,000 a year that die for their faith in Jesus. Clearly they aren't worthy to be 'raptured' beforehand. Holy writ is tradition? That's off base. And again we see the church is more holy and perfect than those who have to die in Christ during tribulation. So if the trib saints are pictured in scripture thus, 9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.” 11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying: “Amen! Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!” 13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?” 14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence. 16‘Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat down on them,’ nor any scorching heat. 17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water. ‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. where is the 'church' shown like the above? I mean the church should have abundant praise above the trib saints as the church is walking the earth already pure and holy just like Jesus did. There must not be a single spot or blemish in the whole body. So where is the laudatory moment for purely righteous church taken off the earth by the millions before death?
  2. Diaste

    The timing of the 6th seal

    The point is, believing every time we see pure, white, clean linen in scripture it must be translated saints is incorrect. It's like saying the only time the lawn is wet is because it just rained. There are other reason the lawn could be wet, just like there are others attired in pure, white, clean linen in scripture. Pure, white, clean linen is a badge of righteousness, not class, not a group identifier. The angels of God are righteous hence, they also wear clean white linen, therefore the armies of heaven that return with Jesus to fight at the end of thee age could indeed be angels and cannot be summarily judged to be the newly, or even past, translated believers.
  3. Diaste

    One REVELATION of Jesus or Two?

    It's not a metaphor, the beast is real and will soon be upon us. And the beast isn't stopping God's plan or purpose, this is the plan and it has a profound purpose. Warning, pressure, crisis, then salvation is always the way God gets the attention of his people. The beast is the crisis that will come before the salvation of the Lord. You don't have to find it palatable. I don't. But it is the truth. Best prepare your heart ahead of time cause the beast is coming first, then the Lord.
  4. Diaste

    One REVELATION of Jesus or Two?

    Yes, and after both is when Jesus comes and the gathering takes place. So literally the beast is the restrainer of the coming of the Lord, just as it is written, just as it reads, in any language. 😀
  5. Diaste

    One REVELATION of Jesus or Two?

    The revealing of the man of sin is what holds back until Jesus is revealed 'in his time'. 😉
  6. Diaste

    One REVELATION of Jesus or Two?

    That's not how the passage reads. Apostasy and the revealing are what 'hold back' the coming of the Lord and the gathering. the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed.
  7. Diaste

    The timing of the 6th seal

    Still doesn't prove the 24 elders are saints or represent the church. I see the same groups in Rev but that does not equate the groups nor create divisions, nor does any of this prove a pretrib gathering.
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    The timing of the 6th seal

    "Israel that will be saved when"? I don't understand. Not exactly clear. Are you saying the church is judged in Rev 2-3 and then 'raptured' in Rev 4? Angels are also dressed in white linen. White attire is not a sole distinguishing feature of the saints. "2 and saw two angels in white,"--John 20 "6 Out of the temple came the seven angels with the seven plagues. They were dressed in clean, shining linen.."--Rev 15 Just because a person believes a thing does not make it true. It's more likely the armies that follow Jesus from heaven are angels, not the newly transformed elect.
  9. Diaste

    The timing of the 6th seal

    Not interested in relating Jewish tradition with the Way the Truth and the Life. If we were supposed to do that Jesus would have said so, like he mentioned looking to the prophet Daniel for understanding concerning the A of D. But he didn't and neither did the apostles. Ok. I think you are reaching here and it's just too tedious and off topic to explore. Got scripture to prove this? The citation above shows the church was born of the Holy Ghost at Pentecost. Not the same context. Revelation is about the last days and that is the context through which we gain understanding. Enduring to the end doesn't mean catching the early flight.
  10. Diaste

    The timing of the 6th seal

    21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.--Matt 24 The day of GT are shortened. The week will continue for the allotted number of days. The 70th week is not equivalent to Tribulation, GT, or wrath.
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    The timing of the 6th seal

    Well, I'm going to need a clearer understanding of how you are defining "the Lord's Day". What scripture leads you to ascertain there are ranks of saints? What scripture defines those ranks? As in, how does scripture prove the 24 elders are saints in the context of righteous translated believers? What elect are with Jesus? The ranks of saints you mentioned? First you're going to need to prove they are indeed saints.
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    The timing of the 6th seal

    I suppose they could try but they would be incorrect. Jesus' coming isn't related to a length of time. His coming will cut short the days of GT. If His coming was at the very end of the week then no flesh would be saved. It's to save some people alive to be translated that those days are cut short. This is the day known only be the Father and no man, not even the Lord Jesus, knows this day. The 5th seal tells us this as well. There will be no vengeance for the souls under the altar until the rest of their number are killed in the same manner. Once that moment is reached, the death of the last martyr, then GT is cut short as Jesus appears, we are gathered and wrath commences. Again, this is the day known only to the Father, well short of 1260 days, and so no count of days will do anyone any good. The day will only come like a thief for those in darkness, and it will come on them like a thief.
  13. Diaste

    The timing of the 6th seal

    Main harvest and gleanings? Is this Talmudic? Even if it isn't there is nothing connecting the old ways with the Way the Truth and the Life. Certainly Paul would have told us to look to the past for the interpretation of the future if it held any validity for coming generations. He didn't. I don't. I don't believe anyone should. Oh, so you don't think it's both? Or could be both? Just because was raised in victory he could not be caught up to God and His throne? But raised in victory is not what Acts 1:9 records. Jesus was lifted up and received in a cloud. It's the same thing though harpazo is the more forceful term. So you believe Israel gave birth to the church? The Jews tried to kill Jesus several times. Finally got it done at Calvary. The Jews persecuted the Apostles, and from what I have read they persecuted Christians for centuries. They were not caught up. There is a real problem with pretrib belief concerning the letter to the churches. "To him that overcometh" " He that overcometh" "To him that overcometh" "And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end," "He that overcometh," "Him that overcometh " "To him that overcometh" Each time the church is given a promise to the overcomers. Since this is in the context of the last days it's no doubt we are overcome something related to the 70th week. To Thyatira Jesus says, "keeps my works to the end". That would not work in a pretrib scenario. And what is pretrib overcoming? A six pack and a bag of Doritos? Those weeds in the backyard? Maybe the daily commute? And what of the 100,000 christians that die every year in the name of Jesus? Where is their pretrib 'rapture'? I tell you, these are overcomers, they died for the name of Jesus.
  14. Diaste

    The timing of the 6th seal

    " 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." In reality it's like this. " 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to flee away from all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Transliteration: ekpheugó Short Definition: I flee out, away, I escape Definition: I flee out, away, escape; with an acc: I escape something. This has to do with a personal action of being away from something. This is not an harpazo where someone is seized and taken away. "Hope you are worthy to avoid the calamities that are coming", not, " Hope you are worthy to be seized and taken from earth"
  15. Diaste

    The timing of the 6th seal

    Um, not sure what you mean. We are 'caught up' and we meet Jesus in the clouds in the air and are with Him immediately. Do you have scripture that says we are delivered to heaven to Jesus' presence in the context of caught up at the time of the gathering of the saints?
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