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  1. Diaste

    The Great Whore is N.Y.C., Change My Mind

    As you often say, there is probably a dual nature. The list: and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies (literally like 'arrogance'). be not partakers of her sins, she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously (like 'uncontrolled lust', for anything and everything) with her, The above is the spiritual aspect. It's great sin to elevate oneself to such lofty status; and the kings and merchants followed her. Here it's hard goods; except for the souls of men. for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: gold, silver, precious stones, pearls, fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, thyine wood, vessels of ivory, vessels of most precious wood, brass, and iron, and marble, cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. There is little doubt the nature of the trade is filthy. Maybe not the nature of buying and selling, nothing inherently evil about trade, but the ends of this scenario are rooted in evil, the arrogance and riot of lust in bacchanalian fashion is terribly wrong. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What [city is] like unto this great city! And they cast dust on their heads, and cried,weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness!for in one hour is she made desolate. So it has to be both for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. By her sorceries....lust of the eyes, lust of flesh, and the pride of life. Comprehensive deception in all three phases.
  2. Diaste

    The Great Whore is N.Y.C., Change My Mind

    I know you have this NY thing on your mind. But what about the several cities that fit your description? And where do you get the two rivers? I am not aware of this as scriptural criteria.
  3. Diaste

    The Great Whore is N.Y.C., Change My Mind

    Yes! But which city? I have looked at the busiest ports and of the top 10, 8 are Chinese. Dubai is #9. New York port is about 1/7 as busy as the port of Shanghai. I find this most interesting as scripture has a focus on a vast, unprecedented condition of trade when the great city is laid waste. " And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What [city is] like unto this great city! And they cast dust on their heads, and cried,weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness!for in one hour is she made desolate." The highlighted terms mean 'all' or 'every'. How would this be possible? Ningbo handled about 900,000,000 metric tonnes of cargo in 2015. The estimate in 2017 of all container cargo by weight is 183 billion tonnes, 200 times more than the busiest port can process in a year. If we look at the top Chinese ports, they handle 3.25 billion tonnes a year, still 56 times less than 'all' or 'every'. I don't think this 'great city' is one that exists today. Or if it does it's a secret. It's stunning really, ALL sea trade consolidated into a single port? It's mind boggling, ludicrous really. I believe for this city to exist as THE central hub of ALL trade, it will have to be forced by fiat. That makes sense to me as during this time only those who bear the mark will be able to buy and sell. It will be mandatory to bring the goods to a central processing location. Just imagine the iron fisted control to make this a reality. It's no wonder Jesus said this would be a time like no other ever before, and never again.
  4. Diaste

    The Great Whore is N.Y.C., Change My Mind

    I suppose that has never occurred in history before this 'modern age'. Babylon must not have identified with a larger economic system, during the Persian reign especially. Sometimes...
  5. I have heard this several times over the years. If the second beast rules the earth, then why is the world stunned in amazement at the first beast, and worshiping the first beast? This whole thing is a parallel to Joseph and Pharaoh. Joseph exercised all the power of Pharaoh, but did not rule Egypt, Pharaoh did. To wit: “I hereby put you in charge of the whole land of Egypt.” Then Pharaoh took his signet ring from his finger and put it on Joseph’s finger. He dressed him in robes of fine linen and put a gold chain around his neck. He had him ride in a chariot as his second-in-command, and people shouted before him, “Make way!”Thus he put him in charge of the whole land of Egypt. Then Pharaoh said to Joseph, “I am Pharaoh, but without your word no one will lift hand or foot in all Egypt.” Gen 41 The same thing is happening at the end with the beast and the false prophet. Another parallel: "And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church," Eph 1 " Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him" 1 Cor 15 So...No. The second beast is second in command with all the authority of the first beast; without the first beast the second beast has no authority. And if the second beast was the one in charge why would he cause the world to worship the first beast, make an image to the beast and take the mark of the first beast? The second beast is only doing those things which the first beast commanded him. In fact the second beast only has power in the sight of the first beast, meaning, I suppose, "as it seems right to the first beast to allow the second beast power", I don't see this as physical sight, as in 'within eyesight'. The beast commands, the false prophet carries out the commands. And the authority here goes back to Satan. It's really the Fallen One that's commanding, he's the true ruler when God allows all this to occur, so fundamentally neither the beast or the false prophet are ruling anything; they are implementing the plan and will of Satan; who in turn is a cog in the wheel of our Father's vast plan. It's kinda great to know this is all God's plan! Don't ya think?
  6. Perhaps I should. Is it relevant? What of Nazi Germany? A major Roman symbol in the eagle. Scripture will always be the source for prophecy and the clues to it's fulfillment. End of the age prophecy in particular is Israel-centric. I have seen nothing so far to convince me otherwise.
  7. Diaste

    The Great Whore is N.Y.C., Change My Mind

    Are you thinking the city is actually a country?
  8. Diaste

    The Great Whore is N.Y.C., Change My Mind

    It's also a possilbility this city may not yet exist, at least not in the form described in scripture. Some of the details about the city may only manifest after world conditions exist allowing complete fulfillment. What strikes me about the city is ALL the merchants who trade by sea lament her destruction as there is no one to buy their goods. No such single city exists today. The top 10 ports in the world are predominantly in China, but that doesn't fit other aspects of the prophecy, in my mind. We may be looking for a Red Sea port, or one in the Mediterranean.
  9. Referring to Rome? How would we know it was Rome if not? Did Israel rise again in Uzbekistan? If it could rise anywhere then a revived Roman empire could be claimed in any locale. The preponderance of evidence points to the Seleucid empire of Mesopotamia wherein the beast emerges.
  10. Only the first three are named. The fourth is not. The fourth is one kingdom that comes twice, with a difference in the second iteration. Islam fits this as we can see in current events. Rome is dead never to rise again.
  11. How do get from the definition here: To the below? Nothing in the word 'apostasia' suggests or implies 'leaving from one place to go to another', which pretrib demands be the case. Sorry, no pretrib anything here.
  12. If this is meant to prove pretrib rapture theory, y'all realize this details the event and does not provide timing in relation to the end of age timeline. Pretrib timing of this event is a false hope.
  13. Except the pretrib mindset attempts to force a word into the scripture that is not used. Apostasia is the word that appears, not aphistemi. Don't need five pages of analysis to see this, if one is seeking the truth.
  14. The beast isn't coming from Europe. The beast will rise from Mesopotamia. The 10 nations will be mostly Muslim, Islamic leaders that do not have a kingdom but only have power with the beast, and so cannot be existing leadership prior to the beast. These leaders will rule from areas surrounding Israel. So no, it will not be Europe.
  15. Diaste

    The Timing of Christ's Return & Why it Matters

    Clearly we are saying the same thing. Please accept my apologies if I misunderstood your thoughts. My contention opposes any division of Jewish and Gentile believers in the context of salvation, redemption, and the promises of God to His people. All the saved are the children of God without prejudice or discrimination, and are recipients of His great and wonderful promises.
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