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  1. Indeed it is, the same gathering seen here, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." - Matt 24
  2. I agree. The context is the coming of the Son of man and of course the associated gathering of the elect. These two events are noted and so conspicuous it defies reason to create any other context. The 'taken' are snatched up to safety and the 'left' are those that will face the wrath of the Lamb. "29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." - Matt 24 "12 And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. 14 The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. 17 For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”" - Rev 6 " 1o Before them the earth quakes the heavens tremble. The sun and moon grow dark, and the stars lose their brightness. 11 The LORD raises His voice in the presence of His army. Indeed, His camp is very large, for mighty are those who obey His command. For the Day of the LORD is great and very dreadful. Who can endure it?" - Joel 2
  3. Respectfully disagree. "This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are fellow heirs, fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus." The promises of Jesus Christ were given to Abraham. "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
  4. Yeah...not exactly. The reference here is to the patience of the saints and the encouragement that end time prophecy will come to pass as stated no matter who mocks the prophecies; all in the context of answering the mocking of the ungodly and shortsighted question, "Where is the promise of his coming?" If the fire in verse 10 refers to the wrath of God how does this fire; "reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men" from verse 7 refer to something else? It doesn't. Both refer to the wrath of God or the passage would become nonsense. Surely verse 8 is only revealing the contrast between the immortal view of time as compared to the bondage of time under which the mortal suffers; limiting the scope of insight and understanding of the things to come. Further, verse 8 is the answer to verse 4 rebutting the mockers and scoffers who contend the promise is false since nothing has changed, therefore nothing will change because it's just taking too long. It's not fair to present evidence making unequivocal conclusions without corroboration. I understand you believe this, "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (This IS a statement about the Millennium.)" but where is another scriptural statement that compares this with the Millennium? This is actually a paraphrase by Peter of Psalm 90:4 where a day with the Lord is likened to a thousand years, or a watch in the night. Peter is not equating the two, merely presenting the fact God operates outside of time as we see it; which firmly remains in the context of verse 4. So I see all this as encouragement to patience on the part of the saints to wait on God; He isn't bound by time, His promises are sure, and they will come to pass so you all better behave accordingly.
  5. Won't work in a practical sense. You are contending that to strike the earth with plagues they would have to be local relative to the plague, or withholding the rain. How are they going to be everywhere at once? They that dwell on the earth is as ambiguous as bi-weekly. Even a remote tribe in SA can be said to dwell on the earth. I for one will need more evidence.
  6. No, it's just the explanation you prefer. No, there is no scripture that says they will roam the earth; the allusion is they are in Israel, or Jerusalem, exclusively. Of course not, creating divisions in the body allows for just about any interpretation.
  7. I feel this is just picking and choosing what constitutes the GWT judgment. The GWT judgment occurs after the millennium as stated in scripture. No way around that. Just like there are only two resurrections there is only one GWT judgment; and that court is to judge those people who appear before the bench from the books that are opened, and by those things written in the books. Clearly Matt 25 judges the individuals that make up the nations by their deeds, an allusion to these deeds being recorded, a reference then to the GWT judgment where books have the recorded deeds by which the individuals that make up the nations are judged.
  8. I suppose the possibility exists this is before the Millennium but since this is a statement of facts of events after Christ comes we don't know just when verse 32 occurs from this passage alone. Clearly this is a judgment in Matt 25 with requisite consequences, and the only other passage I know of about any judgement at the end of days is Rev 20 "And there were open books, and one of them was the book of life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds." The idea 'judged according to his deeds' mirrors Matt 25:31-46 as the deeds of the judged are listed here. Those who engage in those deeds are righteous and those who do not are not known to Christ. So then this judgement occurs at the end of the 1000 years because I see evidence for that, and I do not see evidence apart from Matt 25:31-32 for a 'war tribunal' staged only for those who fought against Christ in the valley of decision. I'm pretty sure they made their choice and died in allegiance to the beast. Maybe.
  9. Of course! However, if several things are happening at the same time, those events are concurrent or simultaneous, whatever the circumstance. If 5 parallel paths have staggered beginnings some of the events or circumstances will either occur or exist concurrently; even as the separate events of the 5 parallel paths are successive within each path. Rev is chronological in some respects; seals, trumps, and vials are consecutive, 1-7. It's like a date like March 16th. It's a chronological date but it exists concurrent with the month of March and the year 2019, even as March is chronological and yet exists concurrent within the year, and the year is chronological concurrent in the decade and the century, etc., so is the Revelation. Since this, (wrath) And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place. Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?” - Rev 6 And this, (also wrath) And the seventh angel sounded.... And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. - Rev 11 And this, (Islands and mountains gone; same as 6th seal. Hail and the great earthquake; same as at the 7th trump, which is also the last trump at which we are gathered) And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. - Rev 16 Happen at or near the same time and so the preceding events have a concurrent/successive fulfillment. It all comes to an end at or near the same time. Not to the second, but all ending right before the millennium. Even if all the vials occur after the 7th trump, which is fine with me though I'm not going to get into why or why not; the 6th seal is the sign of the coming of Jesus and the 7th trump is the last trump at which time Jesus tells us we are gathered. This means at the very least all the trumps have sounded by the time of the 6th seal, the 7th in conjunction, and the coming of wrath and the gathering.
  10. If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy [are ye]; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. - 1 Peter 4
  11. Well, it's not my book , is it? So is it said that a name cannot be added to the Book of life, or taken away? Is there a passage or a verse in scripture that says, "Those who are in the books are not in the Book of Life" ? That looks like an assumption to me. It seems like a big waste of effort if not one person could be judged righteous at the GWT judgment. All that would have to happen is look for the name in the Book of Life, it's alphabetical I assume, if not found then...The idea you present about showing people how they fell short and why is probably valid as this is a court of law and charges and evidence must be presented to the defendant. But an element is missing here that I find interesting, no prosecutor, no DA. Satan is cast out and defeated, consumed by fire in all likelihood. Not that it matters, it's just interesting. Matt 25:31-46 is the GWT judgment. You can see for yourself there are sheep and goats. Verse 46 says some go to eternal punishment and some enter the kingdom. The difference between salvation and avoiding the 2nd death at the 2nd resurrection is; Salvation at the great white throne judgment For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’ And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’ Punishment at the great white throne judgment For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’ I would think that if these good deeds are found in the book the name of the person is added to the book of life and the are told, "Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world."
  12. It is actually. If Adam and Noah are in Christ they are the seed of Abraham as scripture records; therefore they are indeed of Israel if they are in Christ. The 'church' is a dispensationalist view that has been discredited over the years, it's just not a thing. Either we are in Christ or not. If we are in Christ we are the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise. - Gal 3:29 And that's not what scripture says about the Final Judgment, that none of the ones judged from the books are found righteous; When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. - Matt 25 From Rev 20. And there were open books, and one of them was the book of life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books. The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire. And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
  13. That's bold to say Adam or Noah are not part of Israel or the Church. And the Second resurrection is not 'for the unjust' exactly. Those raised in the 2nd resurrection are judged according to what is written in the books; it could be some are found just based on what is written in those books. God our Father does not want anyone to perish and I'm sure every avenue will be explored to save as many as possible, just like Matt 25; 31When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. 34Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’ 37Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink?38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’ 40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’ 41Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.42For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ 44And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’ 46And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
  14. I appreciate the reply but that isn't scriptural support, it's just more doctrinal belief.
  15. The 1st resurrection of Rev 20 isn't specific as to timing, only the facts of the event. The 2nd resurrection is specific concerning timing. One cannot say the 1st is before or after any other event from the facts contained in Rev 20 or 1 Thess 4. Matt 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 give us the timing; after the tribulation of those days, those days are cut short, when we see the sign of the coming of the Son of man, when Jerusalem is compassed by armies, etc. One also cannot equate tribulation with the whole 7 years. To paraphrase, Jesus says in Matt 24, "When you see the A of D...then shall be great tribulation.", and before this the time is called "beginning of sorrows". There is no '7 years of tribulation' specific to the end of the age and the sign of His coming. The whole 'U-turn' argument is specious. Are you saying it's an impossible scenario that we are gathered to meet Jesus in the clouds of the air and instead of going to heaven we stay on earth? Maybe we a caught up to meet Jesus and wait there for a short time as He destroys his enemies. And if we are in heaven right after we meet Him in the clouds of the air, there is nothing saying we stay in heaven for any length of time, other than doctrinal beliefs that is. The 'U-turn' argument creates false facts and then ridicules the result, it is not a sound logical position.
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