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  1. I'll just hit a few points to make it brief. Forgive me as I have not studied it in depth. I know the references but I didn't do a refresher, but here goes. It's important that 'angels' are bound. There could be more than one. The angels of the abyss is called the king of the locusts. At this point it's not the king of the locusts that rises out of the pit. I suppose it's possible that demons and fallen angels are not of the same ilk. I'm not convinced but I'm interested and I'll look into it. Or...The beast rises to power at the beginning under the auspices and power of the dragon, confirms the covenant with Israel and surrounding Arab nations, the two witnesses show up to oppose this alliance of death between the resurrected beast and Israel, all during the first half. The beast is only given 42 months of complete authority which would be after the A of D to the end of the week. Given that 'power to continue' is absolute he is able to kill the two witnesses, during or after the ascension of the Temple and the declaration of godhood. This is where it's a little fuzzy yet for me: Did the fallen angel or demon of the abyss(not the king of the locusts) rise at the beginning of the week when the beast was healed of the deadly head wound, or is it a possession of the man that is the beast at the time our Father grants His leave for the beast to continue for 42 months? Perhaps in the beginning when the beast is healed of the deadly head wound he is possessed then but limited under the control of our Father for the first 42 months, then levels up, unleashed at the moment of our Father's choosing. I'm more of the mind it's a complex series of circumstances concerning the beast. All of this can be true of a single individual. I don't think there is a restriction on Rev 11:7. For instance: the verse relates it's the beast that ascends out of the abyss that kills the two witnesses, the verse does not demand a rise from the abyss at the very moment of the death of the two witnesses. It could be true, but there is no language that demands that scenario. It's one of the things. The language here is general. "For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled." The destruction of the harlot is the will of God but the reference here is fulfilling the general words of God and the death of the harlot is a specific singular act. Certainly at this point of the narrative there are a great many more words of the Father to be executed. "As much as you have done it to one of these little ones, you have done it to me." There is no limit here on campaign of destruction. Fighting against the people of God is fighting against God. Every war is like that. Troops in the field fight each other at the behest of the leader and each side is striving to get the others leader. I follow the reasoning but I don't know that I can see the king of the locusts that is not said to rise from the abyss, as the same as the beast who does rise from the pit. I do apologize for such literal fundamentalism, but there ya have it.
  2. The beast that ascends from the pit certainly seems to be a part of the beast of the sea. A school of thought says Abaddon is the possessing spirit that in dwells the beast from the sea. If pressed I would say the beast from the abyss in Rev 17 is not the king of the locusts from 5th trumpet. We don't see the king of the locusts rising from the abyss in Rev 9, but we do see the beast ascend from the pit in Rev 17. I'm well convinced the rider of the white horse, the beast of the sea, the beast from the abyss, the 8th of the 7, the man of sin, the son of perdition are all poetic names for the same individual, and they describe attributes and are clues for identification. The beast of the earth is another character separate from the beast of the sea. We see the earth beast given power by the sea beast and authority to do his deceptive tricks. So that's at least a synopsis of what I see apart from the evidence, which can be provided. I think you are probably well versed on the evidence. 😉
  3. It it funny the OP mentions 'alternative' timeline. In my experience I don't believe I have seen a widely accepted timeline for the end of the age. If someone had the will and intelligence to wade through all the various ideas on a timeline as presented by all the sincere seekers we might find hidden an accurate one. It's possible each of us has a gem that when assembled together becomes a masterful piece of fine jewelry. But for my two cents I see these as the same events: "And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place." - Rev 6 (6th Seal) "Then the temple of God in heaven was opened, and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple. And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and an earthquake, and a great hailstorm." - Rev 11 (7th Trump) " And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and a great earthquake the likes of which had not occurred since men were upon the earth—so mighty was the great quake. The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. And God remembered Babylon the great and gave her the cup of the wine of the fury of His wrath. Then every island fled, and no mountain could be found. And huge hailstones, about a hundred pounds each, rained down on them from above. And men cursed God for the plague of hail, because it was so horrendous." - Rev 16 (7th Bowl) So unless there are two times when the islands and mountains are not found, and two great hailstorms and apparently three great earthquakes, then the 6th Seal, 7th Trump and 7th Bowl occur nearly at the same time or are related in some way. If wrath begins at the sixth seal and we are gathered at the last trump then almost certainly the 6th seal and the 7th trump occur simultaneously. Looking at the 7th Trump and the 7th Bowl we also see, "And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and an earthquake," at the 7th Trump and, "And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and a great earthquake" at the 7th Bowl. So unless these events occur twice, which I think not, then both are related in time, and most likely in time/space. If I was an investigator working a criminal case and I saw such similarities I'd conclude we had the same perp working both scenes as the M.O. is nearly identical.
  4. Yes. But the call to faith for healing and provision was backed up by centuries of evidence. Check the wanderings of the Exodus for proof. But I'm not sure you're making sense. Likening a personal conviction such as faith where people are at all levels of faith in things like healing, or meat sacrificed to idols, etc., is not equivalent to the fulfillment of prophecy. Again, that has no bearing on the plan of God nor the fulfillment of the words of the prophecy. However the prophetic utterance comes to pass specifically according to the words spoken there will be no alteration because a person or group either believed or did not believe a particular nuance. One needs special revelation to know the outline of Revelation? Or to know there is an outline or order? There are three groups of 7 and all three sets are opened in order. One only needs to read with the barest comprehension to see this, no special revelation required. Yeah...no.
  5. I'm not asking about content. I'm pointing out that you are adamant about a moment where you say there is non-existence. That cannot be proven. I once told an atheist, "Proving a negative is notoriously difficult." The arguments he was using melted away. But I was wrong about what I said, proving a negative is impossible. No one can prove something doesn't exist as there is no evidence for nonexistence. You however are not deflected in the slightest, merrily skipping along the road of self indulgent conviction, in the fantasy of evidence of nonexistence. You say the text doesn't explicitly say Jesus was there, therefore he was not there. That's a logical fallacy called argument from ignorance which is assuming something to be true because it cannot be proven false. The text you cite continuosly is not specific as to Jesus whereabouts, present or not; the text makes no claims it just fits your story that he was not there. There is however a good deal of scripture of proof refutes your story. " But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked intently into heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”" - Acts 7 "For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us." -Romans 8 "the working of His mighty strength, which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms," -Eph 1 "strive for the things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God." - Col 3 "After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high" - Hebrews 1 "through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to Him." - 1 Peter 3 It would appear that Jesus is at the right hand of God when the NT letters were being written well before 95 AD. Including proof that Jesus was seen in heaven by Stephen circa 34-36 AD. But that won't be enough for you and your time warp/wormhole theory of eschatology. Lets check Revelation. "Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned, I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was One like the Son of Man,e dressed in a long robe, with a golden sash around His chest. The hair of His head was white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes were like a blazing fire. His feet were like polished bronze refined in a furnace, and His voice was like the roar of many waters. He held in His right hand seven stars, and a sharp double-edged sword came from His mouth. His face was like the sun shining at its brightest." - Rev 1 Here He is. Exalted. In heaven; about to give John the vision of revelation. Worse for your story: "“Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, the Living One. I was dead, and behold, now I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of Death and of Hades." Oops. WAS dead. Now ALIVE forever. But you would have us believe in the ensuing chapters that the one giving the vision is not only absent, but dead. But even worse for your story scripture not only unequivocally states Jesus is alive and at the right hand of God, but Jesus is the one giving the entire revelation to John: "This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ." Now you tell me how Jesus is going to show John a vision when, as you contend, in chapters 4-5 Jesus is absent and/or dead? Not only is Jesus obviously present but He is directing the entire production!! All of it, including the symbolism and reality of the Throne of God and the throne room. Rev 4:1, "“Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after these things.”" Come up where? To the moon? Mars? Well, heaven obviously, "At once I was in the Spirit, and I saw a throne standing in heaven," - Rev 4:2 Maybe John never left the physical location of the Isle of Patmos, maybe he did, assuredly Jesus is the one imparting the vision as confirmed by Rev 4:1. The words of Jesus tell John to come to heaven to see the rest of the revelation. That means to this point Jesus is in heaven, John arrives and Jesus shows John the Throne, God and the throne room. You made this statement, "Chapter 5: NO man found worthy in a search for one worthy to take the book and open the seals (as if He had not yet risen from the dead)" and further implicated yourself with this: "Then a CHANGE! (Time moved on) Jesus was now found worthy. (There is TIME PASSING between Him NOT found and Him found. What happened? Jesus had just risen from the dead." Your contention is that no living person could be found in heaven or earth who was worthy. Jesus was in neither place according to you because at this point He is dead and in the grave. I suppose you think that if they had looked under the earth, in the grave, they would have found the worthy person since you believe that's where Jesus was at the moment of Rev 5:4, "...no one was found worthy to open the scroll or look inside it." However, "no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or look inside it." So no person was found in heaven or on earth or under the earth, which means the one and only search was conducted thoroughly and completely. Which would mean the worthy soul was standing right there in heaven, exalted and showing John His revelation as given to Him by the Almighty. In conclusion... If you are incorrect about this, are you correct about the rest of your story?
  6. I agree, but it's not nullification of the possibility Gog is an individual. I did some reading about the nomads of the Eurasian Steppes and some claim these are the descendants of Magog numbering in the millions. It's denied in the modern age and these nomads are relegated to loosely affiliated small groups; but it's not easy to ascertain in the vastness of the region, especially if one includes the regions further north. I assume you caution observation of Turkey as the locus of the beast. I agree it's a possibility and I do keep my eye on events in Asia Minor. From what I read it appears the origin of the beast will be further south. A fact obvious from a myriad of scripture and ignored by most in the west. Firmly entrenched ethnocentrism demands prominence in eschatology despite the facts.
  7. All your doing is creating a story through personal inspiration. If you could cite scripture to back up your personally derived facts: God make this lamb appear as it had just been slain the picture of a just asscended Christ, appearing back in the throne room He had left 32 years before. that a moment before He did NOT see, the Lamb was simply NOT THERE the moment before. This is just like most preachers. One verse, no context, no facts, but a great story.
  8. Funny thing about belief...when used like most religious people it's a defense of some ill conceived dogma, "I believe that...", having nothing to do with the truth of the matter, not supported by fact, and is only personal truth wrought by a conviction. No, I will never come to believe it as it's not supported by Spirit generated fact.
  9. Interesting. I still haven't decided if the Gog war is a single war after the 1000 years or two wars, one in the near future and one after the millennium. I'm leaning on two wars for various reasons, right or wrong but I'm not fully convinced. I do believe from the language the Gog army is gathered in a universal sense, especially after the millennium, and is not limited to a region. There are different schools of thought on this obviously. Scripture is clear but I'm still seeing muddy waters on this. If I had to give an answer I'd say there are two wars. One where Gog falls on the mountains of Israel as predicted by Ezekiel 38 and is the battle in the Valley of Jehoshaphat Joel speaks to in chapters 2-3, as well as what John recorded in the Revelation chapter 16. Lots of evidence for this but I'm not writing that book here. The other is more than clear and takes place after the Millennium. I agree Rosh does not mean 'Russia'. It's more like a high prince or equivalent. For me, not speaking for anyone else, the idea of the 'Russian invasion' is borne out in the text. It's 'far north' or 'uttermost north' and that would include land mass and people from about as far north as you can get. Surely this includes Turkey but it in no way leaves out the land mass to the north all the way to the Russian Sea, and including Europe Do we know all 12 tribes are not living in Israel today? I agree the armies that come against Israel at the end are of the western nations relative to Israel, all of Africa for example, and the Kings of the east defined in my mind as everything from the Euphrates to the Pacific. But this eastern horde is not a conventional army either, not when they are mounted on chimeras. In view of Luke 21 and the surrounding armies language, from either scenario Israel is surrounded from the cardinal directions and probably by nearly every person able to walk. I have not done the math but surely it will take a billion dead rebels for blood to flow in the Jordan valley four feet deep for close to 200 miles. Yes, you'll have to deal with my elementary, literal interpretations. What's the point in imagining when the truth is far beyond any experience or thoughts?
  10. So who is the arbiter of this 'correct understanding'? You realize people everywhere say the same thing. It really just means 'when you understand it the way I want you to'. Safe to say I will never have your definition of 'correct understanding'.
  11. Except for that 70th week begins at the the 7th seal thing I agree 100%.
  12. Yes, a glorious appearing of our Lord and the translation of believers both dead and alive. An oft quoted pretrib 'proof'. Where is the timing in relation to other events? Why would they add the word 'death'? Usually those outside the pretrib sect just stick with the facts of the text and don't add or misinterpret. The fact of the appearing, but where is the timing? Can you present any scripture that directly mentions 'imminence' in relation to the 'rapture'? 0 Bible results for “imminent.” Sorry, we didn’t find any results for your search. Please try the following: 0 Bible results for “imminence.” Sorry, we didn’t find any results for your search. Please try the following: https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?search=imminence&version=KJV&searchtype=all&spanbegin=1&spanend=2 Truth! What is ' wrath at time of death'? But when will He appear? When is His coming in relation to other prophesied events? Did you know Rev 3:10 means,"I will watch over you and guard you during the temptation." ? It does not mean 'forcible abduction of a group to take them to another dimension. Now this is interesting. Are you saying this is a pretrib rapture encouragement passage? Does this passage speak to believers being tried by fire? So where is the passage that speaks to imminence? No prior prophesied events before the 'rapture'? Luke seems to refute imminence doesn't he? "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." - Luke 21
  13. Not disputing any of that because I just don't care. It all pales in comparison to the return of the Son of man. That's all I have focused on for some time as it is the important part of the end of the age. In my mind, except for the major events leading up to the coming of the Lord and the gathering of the elect, the rest is superfluous. Hence the focus on the rise of the beast, the midpoint and the 2nd coming, which will happen in that order in spite of dogmatic assertions of religious sects.
  14. It's not imagination when Paul spells it out in so many words. But you go ahead and believe what you will, we are all free in that respect.
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