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My guess it is an underlying issue relative to what you think the issue is. I call it an unstated objection. One way to isolate an underlying issue is by the process of elimination. Regardless, a solution to an underlying issue is likely possible.

I noticed the Pope quoted Jesus from the Holy Bible so that at least all other Body of Christ members could relate to whom the Pope represents:

I see nothing off-track with the Body of Christ church:

Initial process: (1) Write down on paper everything you have ever done or thought wrong in your entire life; (2) Ask God for forgiveness through Jesus; (3) Forgive self; (4) Go to each person where possible that you may have offended and ask for forgiveness and be willing to make things right; (5) Ask forgiveness from exactly one person that is a Body of Christ member having assigned spiritual authority from Jesus to forgive sin; Maintenance: Do the above on a regular basis not allowing more than one year to elapse;

There has never been a holy spirit born again christian shepherd in the office of the papaxy. Remember Richard Wurmbrand, "Tortured for Christ", and many other witnesses, have found that God could use pharoah of egypt, or leaders of babylon, or worldly traders, as He does sovereignly to direct someone's steps, even though they are not serving Christ with their life. God used catholics in Richard's life like He can use anyone, but they could not bring Richard to Christ because they were not in Christ. Similar to saints in the icy mountains of western china - the saints could take refuge at night in the pagan temples of buddha, without becoming pagan themselves. The whole foundation of the rcc contradicts the Gospel - it is an enemy of the cross. How do you know?

Peter didn't even know and he was an Apostle:

Who are the enemies? I claim we are our own worst enemy. We are all humans.

Since the following quote is in the OP, It appears you agree that eternal life is at least associated with repenting: Eternal life and associated repenting, etc., is therefore associated with permanently receiving the Holy Spirit: With the Blood of the New Covenant, the Holy Spirit will never leave us after we qualify to receive grace: Nicodemus (a natural man) was a believer of Jesus but he wasn't born again yet (a supernatural man). Being born from above is at least when we permanently receive the Holy Spirit. There are many believers that are not born from above: In the same chapter where Jesus explains to Nicodemus that we must be born again, Jesus explains that we at least require that our past evil deeds become manifest. I envision Nicodemus all of the sudden had blood rushing to his face realizing that he must humiliate self since he sensed Jesus already knew what his past evil deeds were by looking into his eyes: Coming to the light (see above passage) is clearing our conscience through humiliation by exposing our past evil deeds. Exposing past evil deeds is not possible to God for God already knows our past evil deeds. Humility is like light being observed as a wave or a particle. Observing it changes the state. Humiliation guarantees humility.

I am referring to humiliation inflicted upon self by exposing past evil deeds we were responsible for in order to become truly humble (not fake humility where we are fooled into thinking we are humble) so that we can receive grace from God. The document explains a little of how Jesus suffered humiliation but there are likely many documents. I am mostly going by experience.

There is only one, but there is info I can eventually share that is not so obvious.

Grace can be difficult to understand (of the finite soul). Self must be broken down in order to qualify for grace: As standard human conceptions (not Jesus nor Mary), we are born in a state of pride. The reason is because of original sin. As we get older, most of us remain in the state of pride, even if we have original sin removed, because of other sin we have committed in the mean time that has not been removed. During this time of aging, sin usually accumulates, unless sin is removed. Sin separates us from God. One way we can initially receive grace from God, is if we are humiliated in a certain way. It is possible to think we are humble and not be humble. We are really in a trick bag until we realize what humiliation is. Self can fool self. We are our own worst enemy. Not too many of us (narrow gate) are forced into or choose humiliation. Humiliation is one of the worst feelings we can ever have, but it is the way to the light through Jesus.

Shiloh, you are absolutely correct. And this false doctrine NULLIFIES the free gift of eternal life by God's grace through faith in Christ and His perfect finished work of salvation. In other words, it is a rejection of the Gospel of Grace. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (Ephesians 2:8-10). The key is that grace from God is not normally received until we are humiliated: Without being humiliated (breaking down of self), no magnitude of faith matters. One way to be humiliated is for past evil deeds to become manifest: A past evil deed cannot be exposed (manifest) to God because God already knows our past evil deeds: We only have to give an account for all deeds that are not exposed.

How can one NOT go to God? Here is one way:

How can one NOT go to God?

I think I could qualify for a doctorate degree for the "falling" category. Maybe several. My issue seemed to be the opposite. Whenever I became successful and/or received fame, according to worldly standards, I was always further from Absolute Truth as the result of self-deception.

I just saw this post. As the scripture say, we are saved by grace through faith, and not of ourselves Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- I think Pope Francis said it quite well above. It is all about grace. TY tlf. Hard to imagine anything being more valuable than faith from our viewpoint. Yet, I see it in your words daily since I have been here more than any other. I personally know many Catholics that highly value charity (some versions call it love). I think grace is associated with humiliation.

The Body of Christ has some members that can discern spirits bestowed by the Holy Spirit to protect against deception. and that gives you the privilege of deciding who goes to hell???? Do you think a member of the Body of Christ that can discern spirits also knows the future?

If a Catholic does have faith in Jesus Christ and only "faith alone" is the sole requirement for becoming born from above, then at a minimum according to the following quote, isn't the Pope a member of the Body of Christ church?

rflol I would not believe everything you read shiloh. You might want to do some investigating and fact checking before you start spreading such malicious rumors and gossip. All you had to do was a little finger walking on a google search. While Real News Right Now does not contain a disclaimer identifying it as a fake news web site, the above-quoted story is just that: another piece of fake news. http://m.snopes.com/pope-changing-commandments/ Just because some other site picked it up and maliciously reported it is no excuse to take it at face value. If you truly understood how the Catholic Church functions, you would have realized the absurdity of it all. None of that changes my view of the RCC or the Pope. He is a false prophet, whether the article was true, or not. I saw no disclaimer that this was a piece of satire. Whatever... Even so, there is nothing godly or Christian about the RCC or the Pope. He is just a social liberal posing a religious leader. Do you think Catholics can be born from above as the result of following the Catholic Church guidelines? No. A cradle-to-grave Roman Catholic never actually hears or receives the true Gospel. A lifelong devout Roman Catholic will go to hell because for them salvation is in their devotion to their "church," ultimately, not in Jesus. I am very sorry you think that s. It breaks my heart. If you would like, I can ask for a special blessing for you. Let me know before I leave. Don't bother. I don't need anything from you. I am right in what I said, whether you are theologically or spiritually equipped to understand it or not. The RCC is an apostate entity, not a true church. TY for sharing s. I sense it takes much courage to write what you are writing. The Body of Christ church supersedes all other related denominations. As I have written, the system Jesus designed for our members ensures we are not prejudice. To become a member of our church, a natural person normally has to repent and become baptized: Do you think the Catholic Church encourages their members to repent and be baptized? Not in the biblical sense. Salvation does not come from baptism and repentance. Salvation is based on faith alone in Christ alone. The RCC does not teach that. For that reason it is not a true church and Roman Catholics are not authentic New Testament Christians. They might subscribe to the Christian religion, but they have no part in Christ Do you think a person can get into heaven without being born from above? No, and the only way to be born from above is through faith in Jesus Christ. You don't think Catholics have faith in Jesus Christ? No, I don't. They put more faith in praying to saints, baptism, sacraments, self-piety, Mary and the RCC itself than they do in Jesus. TY s. I really appreciate you answering my questions. When did you first come to the realization that Catholics don't have faith in Jesus Christ? When Catholics told me how they viewed salvation. rflol I would not believe everything you read shiloh. You might want to do some investigating and fact checking before you start spreading such malicious rumors and gossip. All you had to do was a little finger walking on a google search. While Real News Right Now does not contain a disclaimer identifying it as a fake news web site, the above-quoted story is just that: another piece of fake news. http://m.snopes.com/pope-changing-commandments/ Just because some other site picked it up and maliciously reported it is no excuse to take it at face value. If you truly understood how the Catholic Church functions, you would have realized the absurdity of it all. None of that changes my view of the RCC or the Pope. He is a false prophet, whether the article was true, or not. I saw no disclaimer that this was a piece of satire. Whatever... Even so, there is nothing godly or Christian about the RCC or the Pope. He is just a social liberal posing a religious leader. Do you think Catholics can be born from above as the result of following the Catholic Church guidelines? No. A cradle-to-grave Roman Catholic never actually hears or receives the true Gospel. A lifelong devout Roman Catholic will go to hell because for them salvation is in their devotion to their "church," ultimately, not in Jesus. I am very sorry you think that s. It breaks my heart. If you would like, I can ask for a special blessing for you. Let me know before I leave. Don't bother. I don't need anything from you. I am right in what I said, whether you are theologically or spiritually equipped to understand it or not. The RCC is an apostate entity, not a true church. TY for sharing s. I sense it takes much courage to write what you are writing. The Body of Christ church supersedes all other related denominations. As I have written, the system Jesus designed for our members ensures we are not prejudice. To become a member of our church, a natural person normally has to repent and become baptized: Do you think the Catholic Church encourages their members to repent and be baptized? Not in the biblical sense. Salvation does not come from baptism and repentance. Salvation is based on faith alone in Christ alone. The RCC does not teach that. For that reason it is not a true church and Roman Catholics are not authentic New Testament Christians. They might subscribe to the Christian religion, but they have no part in Christ Do you think a person can get into heaven without being born from above? No, and the only way to be born from above is through faith in Jesus Christ. You don't think Catholics have faith in Jesus Christ? No, I don't. They put more faith in praying to saints, baptism, sacraments, self-piety, Mary and the RCC itself than they do in Jesus. TY s. I really appreciate you answering my questions. When did you first come to the realization that Catholics don't have faith in Jesus Christ? When Catholics told me how they viewed salvation. With the Catholics you refer to, did they have faith in Jesus Christ?

rflol I would not believe everything you read shiloh. You might want to do some investigating and fact checking before you start spreading such malicious rumors and gossip. All you had to do was a little finger walking on a google search. While Real News Right Now does not contain a disclaimer identifying it as a fake news web site, the above-quoted story is just that: another piece of fake news. http://m.snopes.com/pope-changing-commandments/ Just because some other site picked it up and maliciously reported it is no excuse to take it at face value. If you truly understood how the Catholic Church functions, you would have realized the absurdity of it all. None of that changes my view of the RCC or the Pope. He is a false prophet, whether the article was true, or not. I saw no disclaimer that this was a piece of satire. Whatever... Even so, there is nothing godly or Christian about the RCC or the Pope. He is just a social liberal posing a religious leader. Do you think Catholics can be born from above as the result of following the Catholic Church guidelines? No. A cradle-to-grave Roman Catholic never actually hears or receives the true Gospel. A lifelong devout Roman Catholic will go to hell because for them salvation is in their devotion to their "church," ultimately, not in Jesus. I am very sorry you think that s. It breaks my heart. If you would like, I can ask for a special blessing for you. Let me know before I leave. Don't bother. I don't need anything from you. I am right in what I said, whether you are theologically or spiritually equipped to understand it or not. The RCC is an apostate entity, not a true church. TY for sharing s. I sense it takes much courage to write what you are writing. The Body of Christ church supersedes all other related denominations. As I have written, the system Jesus designed for our members ensures we are not prejudice. To become a member of our church, a natural person normally has to repent and become baptized: Do you think the Catholic Church encourages their members to repent and be baptized? Not in the biblical sense. Salvation does not come from baptism and repentance. Salvation is based on faith alone in Christ alone. The RCC does not teach that. For that reason it is not a true church and Roman Catholics are not authentic New Testament Christians. They might subscribe to the Christian religion, but they have no part in Christ Do you think a person can get into heaven without being born from above? No, and the only way to be born from above is through faith in Jesus Christ. You don't think Catholics have faith in Jesus Christ? No, I don't. They put more faith in praying to saints, baptism, sacraments, self-piety, Mary and the RCC itself than they do in Jesus. TY s. I really appreciate you answering my questions. When did you first come to the realization that Catholics don't have faith in Jesus Christ?

rflol I would not believe everything you read shiloh. You might want to do some investigating and fact checking before you start spreading such malicious rumors and gossip. All you had to do was a little finger walking on a google search. While Real News Right Now does not contain a disclaimer identifying it as a fake news web site, the above-quoted story is just that: another piece of fake news. http://m.snopes.com/pope-changing-commandments/ Just because some other site picked it up and maliciously reported it is no excuse to take it at face value. If you truly understood how the Catholic Church functions, you would have realized the absurdity of it all. None of that changes my view of the RCC or the Pope. He is a false prophet, whether the article was true, or not. I saw no disclaimer that this was a piece of satire. Whatever... Even so, there is nothing godly or Christian about the RCC or the Pope. He is just a social liberal posing a religious leader. Do you think Catholics can be born from above as the result of following the Catholic Church guidelines? No. A cradle-to-grave Roman Catholic never actually hears or receives the true Gospel. A lifelong devout Roman Catholic will go to hell because for them salvation is in their devotion to their "church," ultimately, not in Jesus. I am very sorry you think that s. It breaks my heart. If you would like, I can ask for a special blessing for you. Let me know before I leave. Don't bother. I don't need anything from you. I am right in what I said, whether you are theologically or spiritually equipped to understand it or not. The RCC is an apostate entity, not a true church. TY for sharing s. I sense it takes much courage to write what you are writing. The Body of Christ church supersedes all other related denominations. As I have written, the system Jesus designed for our members ensures we are not prejudice. To become a member of our church, a natural person normally has to repent and become baptized: Do you think the Catholic Church encourages their members to repent and be baptized? Not in the biblical sense. Salvation does not come from baptism and repentance. Salvation is based on faith alone in Christ alone. The RCC does not teach that. For that reason it is not a true church and Roman Catholics are not authentic New Testament Christians. They might subscribe to the Christian religion, but they have no part in Christ Do you think a person can get into heaven without being born from above? No, and the only way to be born from above is through faith in Jesus Christ. You don't think Catholics have faith in Jesus Christ? While I am waiting on a reply s, here is the "Gloria", which is part of the standard Catholic Mass:

rflol I would not believe everything you read shiloh. You might want to do some investigating and fact checking before you start spreading such malicious rumors and gossip. All you had to do was a little finger walking on a google search. While Real News Right Now does not contain a disclaimer identifying it as a fake news web site, the above-quoted story is just that: another piece of fake news. http://m.snopes.com/pope-changing-commandments/ Just because some other site picked it up and maliciously reported it is no excuse to take it at face value. If you truly understood how the Catholic Church functions, you would have realized the absurdity of it all. None of that changes my view of the RCC or the Pope. He is a false prophet, whether the article was true, or not. I saw no disclaimer that this was a piece of satire. Whatever... Even so, there is nothing godly or Christian about the RCC or the Pope. He is just a social liberal posing a religious leader. Do you think Catholics can be born from above as the result of following the Catholic Church guidelines? No. A cradle-to-grave Roman Catholic never actually hears or receives the true Gospel. A lifelong devout Roman Catholic will go to hell because for them salvation is in their devotion to their "church," ultimately, not in Jesus. I am very sorry you think that s. It breaks my heart. If you would like, I can ask for a special blessing for you. Let me know before I leave. Don't bother. I don't need anything from you. I am right in what I said, whether you are theologically or spiritually equipped to understand it or not. The RCC is an apostate entity, not a true church. TY for sharing s. I sense it takes much courage to write what you are writing. The Body of Christ church supersedes all other related denominations. As I have written, the system Jesus designed for our members ensures we are not prejudice. To become a member of our church, a natural person normally has to repent and become baptized: Do you think the Catholic Church encourages their members to repent and be baptized? Not in the biblical sense. Salvation does not come from baptism and repentance. Salvation is based on faith alone in Christ alone. The RCC does not teach that. For that reason it is not a true church and Roman Catholics are not authentic New Testament Christians. They might subscribe to the Christian religion, but they have no part in Christ Do you think a person can get into heaven without being born from above? No, and the only way to be born from above is through faith in Jesus Christ. You don't think Catholics have faith in Jesus Christ?

rflol I would not believe everything you read shiloh. You might want to do some investigating and fact checking before you start spreading such malicious rumors and gossip. All you had to do was a little finger walking on a google search. While Real News Right Now does not contain a disclaimer identifying it as a fake news web site, the above-quoted story is just that: another piece of fake news. http://m.snopes.com/pope-changing-commandments/ Just because some other site picked it up and maliciously reported it is no excuse to take it at face value. If you truly understood how the Catholic Church functions, you would have realized the absurdity of it all. None of that changes my view of the RCC or the Pope. He is a false prophet, whether the article was true, or not. I saw no disclaimer that this was a piece of satire. Whatever... Even so, there is nothing godly or Christian about the RCC or the Pope. He is just a social liberal posing a religious leader. Do you think Catholics can be born from above as the result of following the Catholic Church guidelines? No. A cradle-to-grave Roman Catholic never actually hears or receives the true Gospel. A lifelong devout Roman Catholic will go to hell because for them salvation is in their devotion to their "church," ultimately, not in Jesus. I am very sorry you think that s. It breaks my heart. If you would like, I can ask for a special blessing for you. Let me know before I leave. Don't bother. I don't need anything from you. I am right in what I said, whether you are theologically or spiritually equipped to understand it or not. The RCC is an apostate entity, not a true church. TY for sharing s. I sense it takes much courage to write what you are writing. The Body of Christ church supersedes all other related denominations. As I have written, the system Jesus designed for our members ensures we are not prejudice. To become a member of our church, a natural person normally has to repent and become baptized: Do you think the Catholic Church encourages their members to repent and be baptized? Not in the biblical sense. Salvation does not come from baptism and repentance. Salvation is based on faith alone in Christ alone. The RCC does not teach that. For that reason it is not a true church and Roman Catholics are not authentic New Testament Christians. They might subscribe to the Christian religion, but they have no part in Christ Do you think a person can get into heaven without being born from above?

rflol I would not believe everything you read shiloh. You might want to do some investigating and fact checking before you start spreading such malicious rumors and gossip. All you had to do was a little finger walking on a google search. While Real News Right Now does not contain a disclaimer identifying it as a fake news web site, the above-quoted story is just that: another piece of fake news. http://m.snopes.com/pope-changing-commandments/ Just because some other site picked it up and maliciously reported it is no excuse to take it at face value. If you truly understood how the Catholic Church functions, you would have realized the absurdity of it all. None of that changes my view of the RCC or the Pope. He is a false prophet, whether the article was true, or not. I saw no disclaimer that this was a piece of satire. Whatever... Even so, there is nothing godly or Christian about the RCC or the Pope. He is just a social liberal posing a religious leader. Do you think Catholics can be born from above as the result of following the Catholic Church guidelines? No. A cradle-to-grave Roman Catholic never actually hears or receives the true Gospel. A lifelong devout Roman Catholic will go to hell because for them salvation is in their devotion to their "church," ultimately, not in Jesus. I am very sorry you think that s. It breaks my heart. If you would like, I can ask for a special blessing for you. Let me know before I leave. Don't bother. I don't need anything from you. I am right in what I said, whether you are theologically or spiritually equipped to understand it or not. The RCC is an apostate entity, not a true church. TY for sharing s. I sense it takes much courage to write what you are writing. The Body of Christ church supersedes all other related denominations. As I have written, the system Jesus designed for our members ensures we are not prejudice. To become a member of our church, a natural person normally has to repent and become baptized: Do you think the Catholic Church encourages their members to repent and be baptized?

A person knows when they are born from above. There are ways to know afterward. The main way to know afterward is a person's life will drastically change forever. After being born from above, the Holy Spirit can ping our human spirit to provide feedback and verification. The key is repenting. We cannot come to the light until our past evil deeds are exposed. Since God is all-knowing, a past evil deed cannot be exposed to God since God already knows our past evil deeds. Fear and faith are almost identical. Both are a belief that a future event will happen, except one is positive and the other is negative. Therefore, we at least need faith, as opposed to fear, to expose our past evil deeds. Godly grief comes right before repenting. It is not the same as humiliation. Humiliation can occur when we expose our past evil deeds. Pride is the opposite of being humiliated and is associated with disgrace. Grace is associated with humiliation, such as when we expose past evil deeds. After being born from above, we can maintain a clear conscience so that our connection doesn't quench and/or grieve the Holy Spirit.