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  1. 7 Mountains = 7 fallen angels?

    To continue my discussion with Last Daze, we started talking about Satan, the fallen angels, and the abyss so I wanted to start a discussion on that topic and share my thoughts and get feedback without derailing other thread subjects. For any eschatology students, here are some possible insights that might be helpful as we all seek to learn together. I also highly recommend Michael Heiser’s book, “The Unseen Realm”, in your studies for a solid background to support the supernatural worldview I am promoting below. I won’t ruin his book for you, but only to say that in it, he reveals how the sin of the angels in Gen 6 became important to the biblical story and a passage in Deut 32:8 teaches that the nations were given over to the “Sons of God” and he defends that translation as a Hebrew scholar. He does an excellent job uncovering the hidden plot playing out behind the biblical scene. Well, with that in mind, here are some points to consider as well that I have discovered by God’s grace. In Rev 12:3 and other passages, we are told that Satan, the dragon, has seven heads and ten horns. It says later that the ten horns are kings who rule with the beast for an hour (Rev 17:12). I have always considered the seven mountains to be a succession of historical nations as I think most of you have until I came across several passages that led me to reconsider this position. I now propose that the seven heads are fallen arch-angels who are under their authority of a main fallen angel and that these angels will be temporarily loosed to come back as they did in Gen 6 to inflict specific judgments. Whereas the 10 horns are possibly just human kings who fight alongside the fallen angels (Ezek 38:9, 39:4 "you and all your hordes, and many peoples with you."). I am open to the 10 kings also being possible fallen angels too based on Daniel 7:20, "his companions". Here is my evidence so far for this proposition: * First, the angel that comes out of the abyss is called a king, prince or ruler in the greek (Rev 9:11). * Second, in Rev 12:7, 9, it repeatedly describes Satan and “his angels”. It makes sense that these angel kings are also on his head. This is similar to the king and his locust army that comes out the abyss who also have crowns (Rev 9:7). * Third, fallen angels elsewhere in scripture are also called princes or rulers in Daniel 10:13, 20-21. * Fourth, we see in Rev 9:14, that there are four angels bound and then released at the Euphrates. Could these angelic hosts who return explain the verse in Rev 17:10 “five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come,”? Contextually they are the previous five fallen angels in John’s timeframe; the wormwood star (Rev 8:10-11), the star of the abyss (Rev 9:1), with the four of the Euphrates (Rev 9:14) already fallen? * Fifth, the seventh king beast in Rev 17:10-11 comes from the abyss (Rev 11:7 and Rev 17:8). Why not the other 6 kings as well? * Sixth, In the book of 1 Enoch, seven fallen angels in the abyss are called mountains. The Bible says Enoch prophesied truth in Jude 1:14-15. Does that make him a true prophet based on the Deut 18 test? At least consider its statements on this subject. Here is a free online version of 1 Enoch. In Enoch chapter 56:1-15, he says that the angels return in v. 5, to instigate the Parthians and Medes (Iran). See also: Jer 51:11,28, Isa 13:17 1. And I saw there the hosts of the angels of punishment going, and they held scourges and chains of iron and bronze. 2. And I asked the angel of peace who went with me, saying: 'To whom are these who hold the scourges going?' 3. And he said unto me: 'To their elect and beloved ones, that they may be cast into the chasm of the abyss of the valley. 4. And then that valley shall be filled with their elect and beloved, And the days of their lives shall be at an end, And the days of their leading astray shall not thenceforward be reckoned. 5. And in those days the angels shall return And hurl themselves to the east upon the Parthians and Medes: They shall stir up the kings, so that a spirit of unrest shall come upon them, And they shall rouse them from their thrones, That they may break forth as lions from their lairs, And as hungry wolves among their flocks. 6. And they shall go up and tread under foot the land of His elect ones, [And the land of His elect ones shall be before them a threshing-floor and a highway:] 7 But the city of my righteous shall be a hindrance to their horses. And they shall begin to fight among themselves, And their right hand shall be strong against themselves, And a man shall not know his brother, Nor a son his father or his mother, Till there be no number of the corpses through their slaughter, And their punishment be not in vain. 8 In those days Sheol shall open its jaws, And they shall be swallowed up therein And their destruction shall be at an end; Sheol shall devour the sinners in the presence of the elect.' What is especially interesting is that 1 Enoch chapter 18:11-15 then describes the angels who are in the abyss. The fallen angels are described as "mountains." 11. And I saw a deep abyss, with columns ⌈⌈of heavenly fire, and among them I saw columns⌉⌉ of fire fall, which were beyond measure alike towards the height and towards the depth. 12. And beyond that abyss I saw a place which had no firmament of the heaven above, and no firmly founded earth beneath it: there was no water upon it, and no birds, but it was a waste and horrible place. 13. I saw there seven stars like great burning mountains, and to me, when I inquired regarding them, 14. The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. 15. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. 16. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) ⌈for ten thousand years⌉.' He discusses further details in 1 Enoch chapter 19:1-2, 20:1-2 and in chapter 21:1-10 he again repeats the seven angels of the abyss as mountains. 1. And I proceeded to where things were chaotic. 2. And I saw there something horrible: I saw neither a heaven above nor a firmly founded earth, but a place chaotic and horrible. 3. And there I saw seven stars of the heaven bound together in it, like great mountains and burning with fire. 4. Then I said: 'For what sin are they bound, and on what account have they been cast in hither?' 5. Then said Uriel, one of the holy angels, who was with me, and was chief over them, and said: 'Enoch, why dost thou ask, and why art thou eager for the truth? 6. These are of the number of the stars ⌈of heaven⌉, which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and are bound here till ten thousand years, the time entailed by their sins, are consummated.' 7. And from thence I went to another place, which was still more horrible than the former, and I saw a horrible thing: a great fire there which burnt and blazed, and the place was cleft as far as the abyss, being full of great descending columns of fire: neither its extent or magnitude could I see, nor could I conjecture. 8. Then I said: 'How fearful is the place and how terrible to look upon!' 9. Then Uriel answered me, one of the holy angels who was with me, and said unto me: 'Enoch, why hast thou such fear and affright?' And I answered: 'Because of this fearful place, and because of the spectacle of the pain.' 10. And he said ⌈⌈unto me⌉⌉: 'This place is the prison of the angels, and here they will be imprisoned for ever.' * Seventh, the fallen angels seem to have corresponding holy angels over them that they contend with. - We can see this angelic contrast in Rev 12:7 Michael and his angels fight with the dragon and his angels. - We can see this angelic contrast in (Daniel 10:13, 20-21) with Gabriel and Michael contending with the princes of Persia and Greece. - We can see this angelic contrast with the four horns of the bronze or golden alter vs the four angels loosed at the Euphrates in (Rev 9:13-15). - We can see this angelic contrast in (Zech 1:19) with the four horns that scatter Judah vs. (Zech 1:20-21) the four craftsmen who come to cast down the horns. - We can see this angelic contrast in 1 Enoch chapters 18-21, there are 7 mountains describing the fallen angels in the abyss and then in 1 Enoch chapters 24-26, 31-32 we see seven heavenly mountains. Interestingly, Jerusalem is the mountain throne at the center of these mountains and in chapter 24:6, Michael is said to be “their leader”. - In Rev 5:6, Jesus the Lamb is said to have 7 horns and seven eyes of spirits throughout the earth. Are these the 7 arch-angels of heaven mentioned in 1 Enoch? - We can see this angelic contrast in the unholy antichrist who is called the “chief prince” in Ezek 39:1 and with the holy Archangel Michael also being called a "chief prince" in Dan 10:13 and in Rev 12:7 Michael has "his angels" and the dragon has "his angels". There seems to be a hierarchical reign within the two differing angelic camps. I have further research to add but will just leave it here to start the discussion. I’m hoping for others to come along and help dig further into this possible interpretation. Thanks for reading (This information posted has been my own research except for Heiser’s scriptural input of Deut 32:8)
  2. 7 Mountains = 7 fallen angels?

    I agree and I'm not opposed to this idea. I do think the fallen angels have kingdoms connected with them because in Daniel 10 we see them directly called the "the prince of Persia" or the "prince of Greece" who Gabriel and Michael fight with. These underworld agents are working behind the scenes but I wonder if they will take on a more physical form on earth. When I read things like, "the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast." in Rev 3:3 or “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” in Rev 13:4 it makes me think this king is beyond earthly like the pre-flood angels are described in extra-biblical sources. Every description of the anti-christ has him as more than just a human king. I think it's at least possible that this agent of the abyss is more than just a human. Isaiah 14:12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! If that is true then is it not also possible that his 7 heads and 10 horns are also part of the league of underworld angels? I'm not sure it's all the same angel since we see. I also wonder, in Rev 17:10-11 the term "fallen" has been regarded as kingdoms that have passed on in history but could it mean fallen in the Rev 9:1 sense? There does seem to be a succession of fallen angels in Rev 17:10 considering that the 7th and the 8th is from the abyss and going back to perdition. Also, if we connect these fallen angels to kingdoms, do they have to be historical or can they be angelic beast kingdoms that are combined at that latter time suggested in Rev 13:2 by the leading fallen arch-angel? Could John simply be referring to the progressive falling of these angels according to their judgment timeline throughout the tribulation? It's good to think out loud you might say and try these ideas on for size. I appreciate your feedback and ideas. Look at how closely Rev 12:3-4 texts aligns the 7 heads and 10 horns to his fallen angels.. Revelation 12:3-4 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. (4) His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it.
  3. Mystery Babylon status rev.17

    Btw, I really didn't say this earlier but I do agree and think that Jer 51 passage you mentioned is saying that Satan's kingdom is behind Jerusalem in that passage. All that I said harmonizes with that point. Satan's kingdom is not just a spiritual or invisible kingdom/mountain but that Jerusalem became a visual manifestation of satan's kingdom, among others, but especially Jerusalem as it was God's chosen mountain but became a satanic mountain but will be resurrected at Christ's return and become a great mountain (Dan 2:35). They became the pinnacle of evil among the nations (Ezek 5:5-9, 16:48, Isa 1:4-9). Jerusalem gets turned over to Satan much like in 1 Cor 5:5. It's delivered to destruction for the sake of the spiritual remnant. Ok, I'll put that new thread together later today. I'll be looking forward to sharing. Based on what you have shared, you will love that book by Heiser! I won't ruin it for you but he has truly put some excellent work into exposing the biblical theological and historical background of the fallen angels in a way that will give support and strengthen what you are possibly seeing. No, I'm not a shill but just a brother who thinks you're seeing something with Satan and the nations as I did and might be interested. I sort of pick up where Heiser left off. What I mean is that he doesn't really get too much into the eschatological ramifications of his findings so I sort of have explored further and have discovered some things by God's grace. I'm not sure what you'll think or agree but I appreciate your interest.
  4. Mystery Babylon status rev.17

    We'll have to create a different thread to discuss my satan, antichrist and abyss theory. Just let me know if you'd like me to share my view on that. You might be fascinated as it ties into what you have shared too. As far as the verse in Jeremiah 51 that you mentioned, I think the destroying mountain verse must be thoroughly read contextually to understand it. Babylon/Jerusalem is aptly called the destroying mountain or a kingdom that has corrupted and brought judgment on all the earth. This destruction is because of their immorality (Jer 26:6, Rev 19:2, 17:2, 8, 18:3, 24, Mic 2:10). As far as Jerusalem being called a mountain there are passages clearly supporting it being called "mountain" and being corrupt; (Oba 1:15-17, Zep 3:11, Joel 2:1, 3:17). As far as being a burned out mountain, Jerusalem is repeatedly described as being burned by fire at its final judgment (Isa 1:7, Ezek 5:2, 21:31-32, Amos 2:5, Oba 1:18, Rev 17:16). There are two groups of people represented in Jerusalem; (Zach 14:2, Gal 4:27, Isa 10:20-21). One is Babylon the Israel of the old covenant and the other is "My people", the remnant of Israel who are the children of promise of the new covenant. Jer 51 is complex because figurative language is involved in describing one of these two groups and needs to be distinguished. Babylon/Jerusalem, the evil heritage, does choose satan as their king at first. I agree with you in part but we'll have to continue that elsewhere as it gets heavily off the topic of Mystery Babylon. - Isaiah 10:20-22 In that day the remnant of Israel and the survivors of the house of Jacob will no more lean on him who struck them, but will lean on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. (21) A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God. (22) For though your people Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will return. Destruction is decreed, overflowing with righteousness. ..The antichrist will be their king for a short period after he seemingly makes a covenant, conquers and then he disperses them into exile. Btw, have you read Michael Heiser's book called, "The Unseen Realm"?
  5. Mystery Babylon status rev.17

    I don't think that does justice to the scriptural evidence. Close but no cigar. I offered to engage you on this subject but you didn't seem interested before?
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    I agree that satan will be king of Babylon. The prophets give witness. Much more can be said on this that's for sure. Those anti-Hamites!.. or were they the anti-Japhethites?! hahaha Biblical truth cannot be racist unless someone will claim Jesus was in John 8:44 or Paul in Romans 11:28. Rather, I see that Jesus and Paul were being loving by calling certain people out on their unbelief.
  7. Mystery Babylon status rev.17

    Love when somebody has actually read the prophets. I'm amazed how this Babylon subject can be discussed at length and hardly anybody considers the OT prophets. The speculations abound when there is no need. World religion? New York? America? Rome, Mecca? Why don't people start from the beginning instead of guessing from the back end of the descriptions given? Like I said, the prophets discuss this at length. Shouldn't scripture interpret scripture? It truly is a spiritually enlightened subject, thus the mystery. Luk 24:45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,
  8. Two very simple questions

    This is a good verse you mentioned to support what I see also. The Tribulation is for the Jews first then the nations after. Mystery Babylon is Jerusalem and represents the Israelites who sit on many waters, a.k.a., "peoples and multitudes and nations and languages". These are the initial "1/3 of the earth" judgments that take place to warn and witness to the nations of their judgment. Deuteronomy 4:27-31 And the LORD will scatter you among the peoples, and you will be left few in number among the nations where the LORD will drive you. (28) And there you will serve gods of wood and stone, the work of human hands, that neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. (29) But from there you will seek the LORD your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul. (30) When you are in tribulation, and all these things come upon you in the latter days, you will return to the LORD your God and obey his voice. (31) For the LORD your God is a merciful God. He will not leave you or destroy you or forget the covenant with your fathers that he swore to them. It is because of the tribulation that they return, repent and become sealed. Someone could make the case that God is referring to them being sealed by His preknowledge which is highly probable.
  9. Two very simple questions

    That makes sense according to the prophets.. Zechariah 12:10-14 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn. (11) On that day the mourning in Jerusalem will be as great as the mourning for Hadad-rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. (12) The land shall mourn, each family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; (13) the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the Shimeites by itself, and their wives by themselves; (14) and all the families that are left, each by itself, and their wives by themselves. Isaiah 4:2-3 In that day the branch of the LORD shall be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the land shall be the pride and honor of the survivors of Israel. (3) And he who is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy, everyone who has been recorded for life in Jerusalem, Isaiah 10:20-23 In that day the remnant of Israel and the survivors of the house of Jacob will no more lean on him who struck them, but will lean on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. (21) A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God. (22) For though your people Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will return. Destruction is decreed, overflowing with righteousness. (23) For the Lord GOD of hosts will make a full end, as decreed, in the midst of all the earth. Joel 2:31-32 The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes. (32) And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the LORD has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the LORD calls. Although the 144,000 are said to have been sealed prior to the angel unleashing his judgments. Rev 7:3 saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”
  10. The harlot

    Yes, this shows that Jerusalem or Mystery Babylon represents not just a city as it is mentioned throughout Rev 17:18 and 18:10, 16, 18, 19, 21 but it also represents a people who sit on many waters, a.k.a., "peoples and multitudes and nations and languages." (in Rev 17:15) The Old Testament used this kind of descriptive language all the time to describe and represent His people under their tribal cities of Samaria or Jerusalem or family names of Ephraim or Judah or even North or South for the ten tribes above the two tribes in the South. See Ezek. 16 and 23 I too sought to find why God's wrath is going to be unleashed on Jerusalem and I understood when I read this in Zach.. Zechariah 11:6-14 For I will no longer have pity on the inhabitants of this land, declares the LORD. Behold, I will cause each of them to fall into the hand of his neighbor, and each into the hand of his king, and they shall crush the land, and I will deliver none from their hand.” (7) So I became the shepherd of the flock doomed to be slaughtered by the sheep traders. And I took two staffs, one I named Favor, the other I named Union. And I tended the sheep. (8) In one month I destroyed the three shepherds. But I became impatient with them, and they also detested me. (9) So I said, “I will not be your shepherd. What is to die, let it die. What is to be destroyed, let it be destroyed. And let those who are left devour the flesh of one another.” (10) And I took my staff Favor, and I broke it, annulling the covenant that I had made with all the peoples. (11) So it was annulled on that day, and the sheep traders, who were watching me, knew that it was the word of the LORD. (12) Then I said to them, “If it seems good to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them.” And they weighed out as my wages thirty pieces of silver. (13) Then the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter”—the lordly price at which I was priced by them. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD, to the potter. (14) Then I broke my second staff Union, annulling the brotherhood between Judah and Israel. Not only was Israel slated to die under the legal covenant that they broke through their many sins but then they murdered their Saviour. This verse above makes me cry because we can see Jesus's heart in their betrayal to weigh out 30 pieces of silver that Judas was paid by them to hand Him over so they could crucify Him. It also occurred to me that Satan had entered Judas (Luke 22:3) and that the Jews had made a transaction with the devil to have murdered the Son of Man. They gave themselves over to Satan. This nation is not a victim of circumstance as many in the church suppose today but the Bible points more to their culpability in pursuing such vile evil. Christians generally don't read the prophets and relegate it all to the past but most of their prophetic message is the culmination of Israel's story to which we have been born into but don't understand their current relationship to God biblically. We superimpose what we want to see rather than what the Bible has said. They have committed great evil and have not repented. I think as Christians we just want to love them because we have received grace for our sins and project our love on them without taking the truth of it all into account.
  11. The harlot

    Last Daze: I won't deny the fact that false religion and the fallen angels are in some way also behind the descriptive title of Mystery Babylon. I'd like to explore that with you but I just can't dismiss all the evidence that clearly regards Israel/ Jerusalem as a harlot city that the prophets have set their focus on and anticipating a catastrophic last days judgment and restoration. To refuse to see that there is more than a possible connection here seems to be shear bias and as a Christian we should have a philosophical epistemology that should be rational and empirical and not just mystical or subjective in its approach to knowledge. We should be able to accept what is said and work within that. There is no need to disqualify evidence when it can all be regarded and understood. Attributing and dismissing all evidence to the past does not work when contextually the writer gives clues to a future fulfillment. This reveals bias. Scriptures that can account for your arguments.. Israel and Babylon have the forehead of a whore. Jer 3:3 Therefore the showers have been withheld, and the spring rain has not come; yet you have the forehead of a whore; you refuse to be ashamed. Rev 17:5 And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: "Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth's abominations." Israel is called a Mother of Harlots. Hosea 1:2 When the LORD first spoke through Hosea, the LORD said to Hosea, “Go, take to yourself a wife of whoredom and have children of whoredom, for the land commits great whoredom by forsaking the LORD.” Hosea 2:2-5 “Plead with your mother, plead— for she is not my wife, and I am not her husband— that she put away her whoring from her face, and her adultery from between her breasts; (3) lest I strip her naked and make her as in the day she was born, and make her like a wilderness, and make her like a parched land, and kill her with thirst. (4) Upon her children also I will have no mercy, because they are children of whoredom. (5) For their mother has played the whore; she who conceived them has acted shamefully. For she said, ‘I will go after my lovers, who give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, my oil and my drink.’ Rev 17:5 And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth's abominations.” The "all who had been slain" argument is easily accounted for because you are absolutely right. Let me explain.. In the scriptures, the anti-christ, fallen angel of the abyss, world ruler is stated to rule from Jerusalem and so the devil's children will encompass the city and the religion who's people have been behind all the slain on earth. This argument can easily be harmonized.
  12. The harlot

    When you have Israel being called a whore in the last days scenario, how can you discount that so easily with arguments that don't actually rebut at all the biblical statements made? Strikes me of just intellectual dishonesty to not even acknowledge the plain reading found throughout the prophets of Israel being a whore who God will judge at the end for breaking his covenant. Evidence should matter to a Christian. The word harlot was not just used historically but used prophetically in the passages sited. Please reread them in context. Reducing them down to your minimalized perspective doesn't account for the truth they reveal.
  13. The harlot

    Nahum 3:1-5 Woe to the bloody city, all full of lies and plunder— no end to the prey! (2) The crack of the whip, and rumble of the wheel, galloping horse and bounding chariot! (3) Horsemen charging, flashing sword and glittering spear, hosts of slain, heaps of corpses, dead bodies without end— they stumble over the bodies! (4) And all for the countless whorings of the prostitute, graceful and of deadly charms, who betrays nations with her whorings, and peoples with her charms. (5) Behold, I am against you, declares the LORD of hosts, and will lift up your skirts over your face; and I will make nations look at your nakedness and kingdoms at your shame. see Zeph 1-3 for more on this.
  14. The harlot

    Isaiah 1:21-26 How the faithful city has become a whore, she who was full of justice! Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers. (22) Your silver has become dross, your best wine mixed with water. (23) Your princes are rebels and companions of thieves. Everyone loves a bribe and runs after gifts. They do not bring justice to the fatherless, and the widow's cause does not come to them. (24) Therefore the Lord declares, the LORD of hosts, the Mighty One of Israel: “Ah, I will get relief from my enemies and avenge myself on my foes. (25) I will turn my hand against you and will smelt away your dross as with lye and remove all your alloy. (26) And I will restore your judges as at the first, and your counselors as at the beginning. Afterward you shall be called the city of righteousness, the faithful city.”
  15. The harlot

    Lev 17:7 So they shall no more sacrifice their sacrifices to goat demons, after whom they whore. This shall be a statute forever for them throughout their generations.
  16. The harlot

    Numbers 25:1-3 While Israel lived in Shittim, the people began to whore with the daughters of Moab. (2) These invited the people to the sacrifices of their gods, and the people ate and bowed down to their gods. (3) So Israel yoked himself to Baal of Peor. And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.
  17. The harlot

    Numbers 15:37-40 The LORD said to Moses, (38) “Speak to the people of Israel, and tell them to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a cord of blue on the tassel of each corner. (39) And it shall be a tassel for you to look at and remember all the commandments of the LORD, to do them, not to follow after your own heart and your own eyes, which you are inclined to whore after. (40) So you shall remember and do all my commandments, and be holy to your God.
  18. The harlot

    "come out of her my people." 1 Corinthians 6:15-16 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! (16) Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.”
  19. The harlot

    · Micah 1:3-9 For behold, the LORD is coming out of his place, and will come down and tread upon the high places of the earth. (4) And the mountains will melt under him, and the valleys will split open, like wax before the fire, like waters poured down a steep place. (5) All this is for the transgression of Jacob and for the sins of the house of Israel. What is the transgression of Jacob? Is it not Samaria? And what is the high place of Judah? Is it not Jerusalem? (6) Therefore I will make Samaria a heap in the open country, a place for planting vineyards, and I will pour down her stones into the valley and uncover her foundations. (7) All her carved images shall be beaten to pieces, all her wages shall be burned with fire, and all her idols I will lay waste, for from the fee of a prostitute she gathered them, and to the fee of a prostitute they shall return. (8) For this I will lament and wail; I will go stripped and naked; I will make lamentation like the jackals, and mourning like the ostriches. (9) For her wound is incurable, and it has come to Judah; it has reached to the gate of my people, to Jerusalem.
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    · Ezekiel 6:1-14 The word of the LORD came to me: (2) “Son of man, set your face toward the mountains of Israel, and prophesy against them, (3) and say, You mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD! Thus says the Lord GOD to the mountains and the hills, to the ravines and the valleys: Behold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you, and I will destroy your high places. (4) Your altars shall become desolate, and your incense altars shall be broken, and I will cast down your slain before your idols. (5) And I will lay the dead bodies of the people of Israel before their idols, and I will scatter your bones around your altars. (6) Wherever you dwell, the cities shall be waste and the high places ruined, so that your altars will be waste and ruined, your idols broken and destroyed, your incense altars cut down, and your works wiped out. (7) And the slain shall fall in your midst, and you shall know that I am the LORD. (8) “Yet I will leave some of you alive. When you have among the nations some who escape the sword, and when you are scattered through the countries, (9) then those of you who escape will remember me among the nations where they are carried captive, how I have been broken over their whoring heart that has departed from me and over their eyes that go whoring after their idols. And they will be loathsome in their own sight for the evils that they have committed, for all their abominations. (10) And they shall know that I am the LORD. I have not said in vain that I would do this evil to them.” (11) Thus says the Lord GOD: “Clap your hands and stamp your foot and say, Alas, because of all the evil abominations of the house of Israel, for they shall fall by the sword, by famine, and by pestilence. (12) He who is far off shall die of pestilence, and he who is near shall fall by the sword, and he who is left and is preserved shall die of famine. Thus I will spend my fury upon them. (13) And you shall know that I am the LORD, when their slain lie among their idols around their altars, on every high hill, on all the mountaintops, under every green tree, and under every leafy oak, wherever they offered pleasing aroma to all their idols. (14) And I will stretch out my hand against them and make the land desolate and waste, in all their dwelling places, from the wilderness to Riblah. Then they will know that I am the LORD.”
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    · Jeremiah 2:1-37 The word of the LORD came to me, saying, (2) “Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem, Thus says the LORD, “I remember the devotion of your youth, your love as a bride, how you followed me in the wilderness, in a land not sown. (3) Israel was holy to the LORD, the firstfruits of his harvest. All who ate of it incurred guilt; disaster came upon them, declares the LORD.” (4) Hear the word of the LORD, O house of Jacob, and all the clans of the house of Israel. (5) Thus says the LORD: “What wrong did your fathers find in me that they went far from me, and went after worthlessness, and became worthless? (6) They did not say, ‘Where is the LORD who brought us up from the land of Egypt, who led us in the wilderness, in a land of deserts and pits, in a land of drought and deep darkness, in a land that none passes through, where no man dwells?’ (7) And I brought you into a plentiful land to enjoy its fruits and its good things. But when you came in, you defiled my land and made my heritage an abomination. (8) The priests did not say, ‘Where is the LORD?’ Those who handle the law did not know me; the shepherds transgressed against me; the prophets prophesied by Baal and went after things that do not profit. (9) “Therefore I still contend with you, declares the LORD, and with your children's children I will contend. (10) For cross to the coasts of Cyprus and see, or send to Kedar and examine with care; see if there has been such a thing. (11) Has a nation changed its gods, even though they are no gods? But my people have changed their glory for that which does not profit. (12) Be appalled, O heavens, at this; be shocked, be utterly desolate, declares the LORD, (13) for my people have committed two evils: they have forsaken me, the fountain of living waters, and hewed out cisterns for themselves, broken cisterns that can hold no water. (14) “Is Israel a slave? Is he a homeborn servant? Why then has he become a prey? (15) The lions have roared against him; they have roared loudly. They have made his land a waste; his cities are in ruins, without inhabitant. (16) Moreover, the men of Memphis and Tahpanhes have shaved the crown of your head. (17) Have you not brought this upon yourself by forsaking the LORD your God, when he led you in the way? (18) And now what do you gain by going to Egypt to drink the waters of the Nile? Or what do you gain by going to Assyria to drink the waters of the Euphrates? (19) Your evil will chastise you, and your apostasy will reprove you. Know and see that it is evil and bitter for you to forsake the LORD your God; the fear of me is not in you, declares the Lord GOD of hosts. (20) “For long ago I broke your yoke and burst your bonds; but you said, ‘I will not serve.’ Yes, on every high hill and under every green tree you bowed down like a whore. (21) Yet I planted you a choice vine, wholly of pure seed. How then have you turned degenerate and become a wild vine? (22) Though you wash yourself with lye and use much soap, the stain of your guilt is still before me, declares the Lord GOD. (23) How can you say, ‘I am not unclean, I have not gone after the Baals’? Look at your way in the valley; know what you have done— a restless young camel running here and there, (24) a wild donkey used to the wilderness, in her heat sniffing the wind! Who can restrain her lust? None who seek her need weary themselves; in her month they will find her. (25) Keep your feet from going unshod and your throat from thirst. But you said, ‘It is hopeless, for I have loved foreigners, and after them I will go.’ (26) “As a thief is shamed when caught, so the house of Israel shall be shamed: they, their kings, their officials, their priests, and their prophets, (27) who say to a tree, ‘You are my father,’ and to a stone, ‘You gave me birth.’ For they have turned their back to me, and not their face. But in the time of their trouble they say, ‘Arise and save us!’ (28) But where are your gods that you made for yourself? Let them arise, if they can save you, in your time of trouble; for as many as your cities are your gods, O Judah. (29) “Why do you contend with me? You have all transgressed against me, declares the LORD. (30) In vain have I struck your children; they took no correction; your own sword devoured your prophets like a ravening lion. (31) And you, O generation, behold the word of the LORD. Have I been a wilderness to Israel, or a land of thick darkness? Why then do my people say, ‘We are free, we will come no more to you’? (32) Can a virgin forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? Yet my people have forgotten me days without number. (33) “How well you direct your course to seek love! So that even to wicked women you have taught your ways. (34) Also on your skirts is found the lifeblood of the guiltless poor; you did not find them breaking in. Yet in spite of all these things (35) you say, ‘I am innocent; surely his anger has turned from me.’ Behold, I will bring you to judgment for saying, ‘I have not sinned.’ (36) How much you go about, changing your way! You shall be put to shame by Egypt as you were put to shame by Assyria. (37) From it too you will come away with your hands on your head, for the LORD has rejected those in whom you trust, and you will not prosper by them.
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    Can we just move beyond Mystery Babylon is Jerusalem and focus our attention on the implications of this? There is much to be said but nothing can be learned if God's people can't even acknowledge scripture in this regard. Please body.. Look at the evidence. Maybe this truth is not meant for the Gentiles? I pray that the true seekers will have their eyes opened to see His word. I'll keep posting scriptures... There are so many..
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    Lam 1:1-2 How lonely sits the city that was full of people! How like a widow has she become, she who was great among the nations! She who was a princess among the provinces has become a slave. (2) She weeps bitterly in the night, with tears on her cheeks; among all her lovers she has none to comfort her; all her friends have dealt treacherously with her; they have become her enemies.
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    Eze 23:1-49 The word of the LORD came to me: (2) "Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother. (3) They played the whore in Egypt; they played the whore in their youth; there their breasts were pressed and their virgin bosoms handled. (4) Oholah was the name of the elder and Oholibah the name of her sister. They became mine, and they bore sons and daughters. As for their names, Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem. (5) "Oholah played the whore while she was mine, and she lusted after her lovers the Assyrians, warriors (6) clothed in purple, governors and commanders, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding on horses. (7) She bestowed her whoring upon them, the choicest men of Assyria all of them, and she defiled herself with all the idols of everyone after whom she lusted. (8) She did not give up her whoring that she had begun in Egypt; for in her youth men had lain with her and handled her virgin bosom and poured out their whoring lust upon her. (9) Therefore I delivered her into the hands of her lovers, into the hands of the Assyrians, after whom she lusted. (10) These uncovered her nakedness; they seized her sons and her daughters; and as for her, they killed her with the sword; and she became a byword among women, when judgment had been executed on her. (11) "Her sister Oholibah saw this, and she became more corrupt than her sister in her lust and in her whoring, which was worse than that of her sister. (12) She lusted after the Assyrians, governors and commanders, warriors clothed in full armor, horsemen riding on horses, all of them desirable young men. (13) And I saw that she was defiled; they both took the same way. (14) But she carried her whoring further. She saw men portrayed on the wall, the images of the Chaldeans portrayed in vermilion, (15) wearing belts on their waists, with flowing turbans on their heads, all of them having the appearance of officers, a likeness of Babylonians whose native land was Chaldea. (16) When she saw them, she lusted after them and sent messengers to them in Chaldea. (17) And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoring lust. And after she was defiled by them, she turned from them in disgust. (18) When she carried on her whoring so openly and flaunted her nakedness, I turned in disgust from her, as I had turned in disgust from her sister. (19) Yet she increased her whoring, remembering the days of her youth, when she played the whore in the land of Egypt (20) and lusted after her lovers there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose issue was like that of horses. (21) Thus you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when the Egyptians handled your bosom and pressed your young breasts." (22) Therefore, O Oholibah, thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, I will stir up against you your lovers from whom you turned in disgust, and I will bring them against you from every side: (23) the Babylonians and all the Chaldeans, Pekod and Shoa and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them, desirable young men, governors and commanders all of them, officers and men of renown, all of them riding on horses. (24) And they shall come against you from the north with chariots and wagons and a host of peoples. They shall set themselves against you on every side with buckler, shield, and helmet; and I will commit the judgment to them, and they shall judge you according to their judgments. (25) And I will direct my jealousy against you, that they may deal with you in fury. They shall cut off your nose and your ears, and your survivors shall fall by the sword. They shall seize your sons and your daughters, and your survivors shall be devoured by fire. (26) They shall also strip you of your clothes and take away your beautiful jewels. (27) Thus I will put an end to your lewdness and your whoring begun in the land of Egypt, so that you shall not lift up your eyes to them or remember Egypt anymore. (28) "For thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I will deliver you into the hands of those whom you hate, into the hands of those from whom you turned in disgust, (29) and they shall deal with you in hatred and take away all the fruit of your labor and leave you naked and bare, and the nakedness of your whoring shall be uncovered. Your lewdness and your whoring (30) have brought this upon you, because you played the whore with the nations and defiled yourself with their idols. (31) You have gone the way of your sister; therefore I will give her cup into your hand. (32) Thus says the Lord GOD: "You shall drink your sister's cup that is deep and large; you shall be laughed at and held in derision, for it contains much; (33) you will be filled with drunkenness and sorrow. A cup of horror and desolation, the cup of your sister Samaria; (34) you shall drink it and drain it out, and gnaw its shards, and tear your breasts; for I have spoken, declares the Lord GOD. (35) Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Because you have forgotten me and cast me behind your back, you yourself must bear the consequences of your lewdness and whoring." (36) The LORD said to me: "Son of man, will you judge Oholah and Oholibah? Declare to them their abominations. (37) For they have committed adultery, and blood is on their hands. With their idols they have committed adultery, and they have even offered up to them for food the children whom they had borne to me. (38) Moreover, this they have done to me: they have defiled my sanctuary on the same day and profaned my Sabbaths. (39) For when they had slaughtered their children in sacrifice to their idols, on the same day they came into my sanctuary to profane it. And behold, this is what they did in my house. (40) They even sent for men to come from afar, to whom a messenger was sent; and behold, they came. For them you bathed yourself, painted your eyes, and adorned yourself with ornaments. (41) You sat on a stately couch, with a table spread before it on which you had placed my incense and my oil. (42) The sound of a carefree multitude was with her; and with men of the common sort, drunkards were brought from the wilderness; and they put bracelets on the hands of the women, and beautiful crowns on their heads. (43) "Then I said of her who was worn out by adultery, Now they will continue to use her for a whore, even her! (44) For they have gone in to her, as men go in to a prostitute. Thus they went in to Oholah and to Oholibah, lewd women! (45) But righteous men shall pass judgment on them with the sentence of adulteresses, and with the sentence of women who shed blood, because they are adulteresses, and blood is on their hands." (46) For thus says the Lord GOD: "Bring up a vast host against them, and make them an object of terror and a plunder. (47) And the host shall stone them and cut them down with their swords. They shall kill their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses. (48) Thus will I put an end to lewdness in the land, that all women may take warning and not commit lewdness as you have done. (49) And they shall return your lewdness upon you, and you shall bear the penalty for your sinful idolatry, and you shall know that I am the Lord GOD."
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    Eze 16:1-63 Again the word of the LORD came to me: (2) "Son of man, make known to Jerusalem her abominations, (3) and say, Thus says the Lord GOD to Jerusalem: Your origin and your birth are of the land of the Canaanites; your father was an Amorite and your mother a Hittite. (4) And as for your birth, on the day you were born your cord was not cut, nor were you washed with water to cleanse you, nor rubbed with salt, nor wrapped in swaddling cloths. (5) No eye pitied you, to do any of these things to you out of compassion for you, but you were cast out on the open field, for you were abhorred, on the day that you were born. (6) "And when I passed by you and saw you wallowing in your blood, I said to you in your blood, 'Live!' I said to you in your blood, 'Live!' (7) I made you flourish like a plant of the field. And you grew up and became tall and arrived at full adornment. Your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare. (8) "When I passed by you again and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine. (9) Then I bathed you with water and washed off your blood from you and anointed you with oil. (10) I clothed you also with embroidered cloth and shod you with fine leather. I wrapped you in fine linen and covered you with silk. (11) And I adorned you with ornaments and put bracelets on your wrists and a chain on your neck. (12) And I put a ring on your nose and earrings in your ears and a beautiful crown on your head. (13) Thus you were adorned with gold and silver, and your clothing was of fine linen and silk and embroidered cloth. You ate fine flour and honey and oil. You grew exceedingly beautiful and advanced to royalty. (14) And your renown went forth among the nations because of your beauty, for it was perfect through the splendor that I had bestowed on you, declares the Lord GOD. (15) "But you trusted in your beauty and played the whore because of your renown and lavished your whorings on any passerby; your beauty became his. (16) You took some of your garments and made for yourself colorful shrines, and on them played the whore. The like has never been, nor ever shall be. (17) You also took your beautiful jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given you, and made for yourself images of men, and with them played the whore. (18) And you took your embroidered garments to cover them, and set my oil and my incense before them. (19) Also my bread that I gave you—I fed you with fine flour and oil and honey—you set before them for a pleasing aroma; and so it was, declares the Lord GOD. (20) And you took your sons and your daughters, whom you had borne to me, and these you sacrificed to them to be devoured. Were your whorings so small a matter (21) that you slaughtered my children and delivered them up as an offering by fire to them? (22) And in all your abominations and your whorings you did not remember the days of your youth, when you were naked and bare, wallowing in your blood. (23) "And after all your wickedness (woe, woe to you! declares the Lord GOD), (24) you built yourself a vaulted chamber and made yourself a lofty place in every square. (25) At the head of every street you built your lofty place and made your beauty an abomination, offering yourself to any passerby and multiplying your whoring. (26) You also played the whore with the Egyptians, your lustful neighbors, multiplying your whoring, to provoke me to anger. (27) Behold, therefore, I stretched out my hand against you and diminished your allotted portion and delivered you to the greed of your enemies, the daughters of the Philistines, who were ashamed of your lewd behavior. (28) You played the whore also with the Assyrians, because you were not satisfied; yes, you played the whore with them, and still you were not satisfied. (29) You multiplied your whoring also with the trading land of Chaldea, and even with this you were not satisfied. (30) "How sick is your heart, declares the Lord GOD, because you did all these things, the deeds of a brazen prostitute, (31) building your vaulted chamber at the head of every street, and making your lofty place in every square. Yet you were not like a prostitute, because you scorned payment. (32) Adulterous wife, who receives strangers instead of her husband! (33) Men give gifts to all prostitutes, but you gave your gifts to all your lovers, bribing them to come to you from every side with your whorings. (34) So you were different from other women in your whorings. No one solicited you to play the whore, and you gave payment, while no payment was given to you; therefore you were different. (35) "Therefore, O prostitute, hear the word of the LORD: (36) Thus says the Lord GOD, Because your lust was poured out and your nakedness uncovered in your whorings with your lovers, and with all your abominable idols, and because of the blood of your children that you gave to them, (37) therefore, behold, I will gather all your lovers with whom you took pleasure, all those you loved and all those you hated. I will gather them against you from every side and will uncover your nakedness to them, that they may see all your nakedness. (38) And I will judge you as women who commit adultery and shed blood are judged, and bring upon you the blood of wrath and jealousy. (39) And I will give you into their hands, and they shall throw down your vaulted chamber and break down your lofty places. They shall strip you of your clothes and take your beautiful jewels and leave you naked and bare. (40) They shall bring up a crowd against you, and they shall stone you and cut you to pieces with their swords. (41) And they shall burn your houses and execute judgments upon you in the sight of many women. I will make you stop playing the whore, and you shall also give payment no more. (42) So will I satisfy my wrath on you, and my jealousy shall depart from you. I will be calm and will no more be angry. (43) Because you have not remembered the days of your youth, but have enraged me with all these things, therefore, behold, I have returned your deeds upon your head, declares the Lord GOD. Have you not committed lewdness in addition to all your abominations? (44) "Behold, everyone who uses proverbs will use this proverb about you: 'Like mother, like daughter.' (45) You are the daughter of your mother, who loathed her husband and her children; and you are the sister of your sisters, who loathed their husbands and their children. Your mother was a Hittite and your father an Amorite. (46) And your elder sister is Samaria, who lived with her daughters to the north of you; and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you, is Sodom with her daughters. (47) Not only did you walk in their ways and do according to their abominations; within a very little time you were more corrupt than they in all your ways. (48) As I live, declares the Lord GOD, your sister Sodom and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done. (49) Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. (50) They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it. (51) Samaria has not committed half your sins. You have committed more abominations than they, and have made your sisters appear righteous by all the abominations that you have committed. (52) Bear your disgrace, you also, for you have intervened on behalf of your sisters. Because of your sins in which you acted more abominably than they, they are more in the right than you. So be ashamed, you also, and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous. (53) "I will restore their fortunes, both the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters, and the fortunes of Samaria and her daughters, and I will restore your own fortunes in their midst, (54) that you may bear your disgrace and be ashamed of all that you have done, becoming a consolation to them. (55) As for your sisters, Sodom and her daughters shall return to their former state, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former state, and you and your daughters shall return to your former state. (56) Was not your sister Sodom a byword in your mouth in the day of your pride, (57) before your wickedness was uncovered? Now you have become an object of reproach for the daughters of Syria and all those around her, and for the daughters of the Philistines, those all around who despise you. (58) You bear the penalty of your lewdness and your abominations, declares the LORD. (59) "For thus says the Lord GOD: I will deal with you as you have done, you who have despised the oath in breaking the covenant, (60) yet I will remember my covenant with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish for you an everlasting covenant. (61) Then you will remember your ways and be ashamed when you take your sisters, both your elder and your younger, and I give them to you as daughters, but not on account of the covenant with you. (62) I will establish my covenant with you, and you shall know that I am the LORD, (63) that you may remember and be confounded, and never open your mouth again because of your shame, when I atone for you for all that you have done, declares the Lord GOD."